EZRA LEVANT ｜ Why we're doing politics differently： an interview with Maxime Bernier
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Maxime Bernier, the leader of the People's Party of Canada, talks about his plans for 2023 and why he thinks it's a good year to be the next Prime Minister of Canada. He also talks about the Pandemic and the freedom convoy that helped end it.
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Hello, my Rebels. Tonight, a feature interview with Maxime Bernier, the leader of the People's
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Party of Canada. What are his plans for 2023? But before I get to that, let me invite you to
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helping to keep us strong. All right, here's today's podcast.
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Tonight, a feature conversation with the leader of the People's Party of Canada, Maxime Bernier.
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It's January 11th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Well, you've heard me say it, that the pandemic and the lockdowns and the vaccine mandates was a
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total failure of the Democratic checks and balances. I said, every part of the system failed.
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The media failed. The colleges of physicians and surgeons failed. The popular culture failed. The
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law schools and law professors and the courts failed. Our charter of rights failed. And I also said
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that our parliaments failed. Not only did all the parties act in lockstep, but the opposition parties
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did not oppose. The conservatives were not very conservative, now were they? But there was
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one politician throughout who knew that freedom was at stake. And he was there on the streets protesting
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for freedom. I believe he has been vindicated. And what a pleasure it is to have a very special
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episode today with that man, Maxime Bernier, the leader of the People's Party. Great to see you again.
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Thank you, Ezra. I'm very pleased to be with you.
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Well, 2023 is an exciting year. It's a promising year. And I'm hoping that it'll be better than 2022,
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which started off as one of the darkest years in our country's history. I mean, they literally brought
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in a kind of martial law. They were seizing bank accounts of political opponents. They were deploying
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riot police on horses. The year started terribly, but it ended. Well, the trucker convoy, I think,
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freed us all. And you were there, weren't you? Yes, I was there. You know, when we created the
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People's Party of Canada, we based on party on four principles. One of them is individual freedom
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and personal responsibility. So when that happened in the beginning of that pandemic, in March, April 2020,
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I was there and I said at that time, we must reopen the economy. We must protect the most vulnerable
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in our society, like the Great Burlington Decoration. And I was against the vaccine passport, vaccine
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mandates. And I did, yes, some rallies across the country. And I believe that we were able,
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we, the freedom fighters and Canadians across the country, to build a momentum. And that's why when
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the Trudeau government decided to say to the truckers that they were not essential workers anymore,
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and they will have to have the shots to be able to work. That was too much. And with that momentum
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that we built together, that freedom convoy happened. And it was great. For me, it was not a protest.
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It was a kind of a celebration of our freedoms. And I was there. It was cold, but it was fun. And you're
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right. After that, the mandates in Saskatchewan, Alberta, you know, these establishment politicians
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decided to lift these mandates. And I think that was a very important point in our history,
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that freedom convoy. Yeah. Now, you were actually arrested during the lockdowns. You were campaigning,
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I think it was in Manitoba. Manitoba, yeah. And if I'm not mistaken, the premier actually said,
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if you come here, you'll be lighter in your wallet or something. Like, it was, it was so bizarre to
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have politicians essentially directing the police to arrest rival politicians. And they did it.
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And that's shocking to begin with. But the absolute delight and agreement by the other political
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parties and by the media was the scary part for me. It's, it's scary enough that the police were
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enforcers. But by that time, they had been enforcing a lot of crazy rules. Yeah. But for a politician to
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essentially order you to be arrested. Yeah. And then everyone say, yeah, we agree. Yeah. That's the
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scary part. They said, we agree or didn't say anything. Right. And then you were, I believe,
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if I remember that the only one in Canada that decided to speak about it and with Tucker Carlson.
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But yes, I was doing a tour across the country. And when I came to Manitoba, the premier said,
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I don't want you here. You're not vaccinated. You're not welcome. And if you come, you know,
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we, we, he said something about, we will empty your wallet or something like that. And it was
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political repression. I was arrested and cuffed and put in jail for a non-crime after a political
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gathering in a park, fighting for freedom of choice. And so, but we didn't have, like you said
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in the beginning, we didn't have any real opposition against these mandates at the provincial and at the
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federal level. Not one party. There was one or two rogue MPPs. Like in Ontario, you had Randy Hillier
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and a few others, Roman Baber, but they were very quickly kicked out of their party, even kicked out
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of conservative parties. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For me, and I know that now, you know, the conservative
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didn't do or they're not doing what is right for the country, but what is popular. And at that time,
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it was not popular to speak against these mandates and they're doing poll and focus group. And because
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of that propaganda and coming from the government, uh, uh, and all the mainstream media that were,
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uh, were buying that narrative, uh, uh, for, uh, for, for mandates and things like that,
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it was not popular. So the conservative party of Canada didn't say anything. And, uh, and that's why
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I'm always saying we are doing politics differently. Uh, if it's popular or not, if it's politically
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correct or not, it's not important for us. What is the most important? We have ideas. We are speaking
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about these ideas and we believe that the more we speak about it, the more popular it will,
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it will be. Yeah. I remember when Ron DeSantis of Florida really planted his flag and the media
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reaction and the opposition reaction to him was hysterical and loud and extreme. And I thought if
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he can just hold it just for a few days and not wither, not bend the knee, he'll be fine. And he stuck
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it out. And not only was he fine, he became a role model and he became living proof. And then he went
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on to become a reelected just a few months ago. With a huge majority, the largest majority of any
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Republican in Florida history, almost 20%. And he did well amongst the Latino population, which is not
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normal for Republicans. And I just think that that is what leadership is supposed to be. And I wish that
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a conservative MP or the conservative leader at the time, Aaron O'Toole, who wasn't very conservative,
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would have said, you know, this is the most important moment we've had in decades in Canada
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and I'm actually going to lead. I think other people would have come, rallied around. I think
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some academics would have had courage. Some pundits would have had courage. Other, maybe even some
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liberals would have said, yeah, you know, there's something to it. But it was the forced unanimity
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that was so awful. Not a single person stood up to the hurricane within the system. You were sort of
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outside the system because you didn't have a seat. No one who had a seat stood up other than a few
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in Ontario who were kicked out. Yeah. But, you know, we, the People's Party, were and are the only
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political party that spoken against that. And for dissentists, dissentists is a proof that when you
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have principles and you stick to your principles, you will win and you can win. And, you know, the
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conservative didn't have any principles and didn't have any strong conviction. So that was very
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disappointing. And that's why, Ezra, in 2019, I said when I left the party, this party is morally
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and intellectually corrupt because they're only conservatives in name. And that's it.
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You know, I, it's interesting that the first two political casualties of the trucker convoy
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were not liberals, but were rather Aaron O'Toole and Jason Kenney, who obviously were not being
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true to their principles. So we've talked about 2022 and I know you've talked about a lot and it
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really was Rebel News' time to shine. We covered that story in a manner that we had sort of been
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practicing for. We didn't know it, but for the first five years of our life, we were practicing
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being contrarian, practicing being citizen journalists. But it's 2023 now. The lockdowns
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are pretty much over. There are a few attempts to have a vaccine mandate in some, I think there
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may be some parts of the Canadian government, I think even in the military, they might still have it.
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And those are problems. But for 99.9% of Canadians, life has gone back to how it was before. There's no
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mask laws that I know of. Yes. But also for that, for the courageous Canadians who lost their job.
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Right. They still have to be back and be fully compensated for that. And that's not the case
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right now. That's an excellent point. Thank you for bringing that up. And I know the New York Supreme
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Court, throughout the vaccine mandates, ordered that everyone be rehired. And they specifically said
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that the rationale for the vaccine mandates that it stopped transmission has been proven to be
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false. Yes. Yes. So we do have a lot of work to do. Thank you for bringing that up. But what I was
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really driving at is where do you go now? Where does the People's Party go now? You had your time to
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shine, your important moment during the crisis. And you personally paid a price. You were arrested and
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jailed. Yeah. I was in jail for 12 hours. Which is 12 hours more than you should have been in a free
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country. So it's 2023. What is the animating issue? What are the projects that will take your time and
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your party's time? What are your plans for 2023? Yeah. If you look at our platform as a political
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party, you know, we have always the same platform and we won't change that platform. That's why I'm
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saying we're doing politics differently. I spoke about immigration in 2019. And that was not that
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popular. I believe that this year in 2023, with the mass immigration, that's real, you know, when we'll
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have half a million people in 2025 in our country, when you have 38 million Canadians, that is mass
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immigration. And, you know, I believe it would be an important issue. And I'm pleased, you know, I was
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reading in the National Post that some leftists now are saying, you know, what about that number?
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Half a million people? We must question that. And so I did that in 2019. And I will do it because
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that is having an impact on housing, on also our social services like health care. So we must have
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sustainable immigration. And we are the only national political party that is fighting for that. You look
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at the conservative, the NDP, the Bloc Québécois, the Green, they're all for mass immigration. They don't want
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anything because they're doing, pandering, they're pandering to some ethnic communities in our country to
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have their support. We won't do that. So I believe it would be an important issue this year.
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Yeah, I mean, for housing, I mean, a lot of those immigrants go to Toronto, Montreal, and to an extent,
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Montreal, sorry, Toronto, Vancouver, pardon me, and French speaking ones often go to Montreal.
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Yeah, 42% of them are going to Toronto and Vancouver. So that's why it's putting pressure on the
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housing market. And actually, Polyev did an interview before Christmas, and he said, no, no,
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it's not about immigration. It's about supply. No, it's mathematical. It's about immigration.
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Too many people in a short time like that, that create a crisis for housing.
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It's a staggering number. I don't know if there's any other country in the Western world that has
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that proportion. That would be like, anyway, it's a huge number. What are the other issues?
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One of the things I'm alive to are censorship of the internet. Trudeau has Bill C11, C18. He had a
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bill called C36 he might bring back. And then he had a fourth bill called the Online Harms Act that
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he hasn't introduced yet. If I'm counting right, that's four different proposed laws to censor the
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internet. It's more than he has on any other subject. And I don't know if that will affect you,
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but it'll certainly affect us as online journalists. What are your thoughts? Have you looked at the
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legislation, C11, C18? Do you have thoughts on it?
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Absolutely. Speaking about censorship, you know, I was a censor on social media last year. On Twitter,
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I was shadow banned there. Now it's okay with the new owner of Twitter. You know, you can have debates
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on Twitter. But what they're doing, these radical leftists, they don't want to have any debates.
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And so the only way to control the population is to censor and doing censorship like they're doing
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right now, you know, with Jordan Peterson, all these regulatory bodies and authoritarian politicians
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don't want any debates. And the only way, because we're going to win that debate with arguments,
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with reason, they don't want that. So they try to censor us. And with that bill, and this bill in
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Ottawa, that's the case. I'm very worried about that. And we, I'm speaking against that all the time.
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And everybody must be able to say what they want. You have the right to insult me. We are in a free
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country. Let's enjoy that. And the best one will win if you have both arguments, the left and the
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right. And that was not the case during COVID-19. You know, they shadow banned everybody that were not
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in line with the narrative. And, and these bills are very dangerous for democracy.
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You know, just like there was silence when you were arrested in, in the lockdowns, there's so much silence
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about this censorship, because so many of the media are in on it.
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I think that 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago, you would have seen a lot of journalists being
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against this. But because so many of them are on the government media payroll, because so many news
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companies take huge handouts from the government, I think they've been tamed. I think they've been
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colonized. Like I really, I could, there's maybe five voices in the mainstream media against it.
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Yeah. But, you know, I don't call them the mainstream media anymore. They're not mainstream.
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I call them the regime media sometimes, because they're for the regime. I don't know.
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No, no. But, but yeah, the mainstream media, they're not independent. They're not like you.
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You have to raise money, Ezra, to, to do your show. I have to raise money to be a national,
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political party and being able to speak about our ideas. They don't have to do that. They're
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receiving money from the government and all the advertising and propaganda that the government
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is giving them, all the money that is, that the government, governments, not only the federal
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one, provincial governments are giving to them. They're not independent and they want to keep
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that privilege. And so you're right. They are listening. They're master. These establishment
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politicians and they are promoting leftist ideology.
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You mentioned Jordan Peterson. I understand that's why you were in town today. There was
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a protest in support of him. Talk a little bit about him and you, you've been interviewed
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What do you think of Jordan Peterson? He's really, he started in Toronto with his own fights,
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but he's really become a global figure, hasn't he?
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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And, uh, you know, um, at the last, it was at the last election,
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I did an interview with him and a deep interview about maybe one hour and 15 minutes, something
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like that. Uh, I really appreciate it. He was asking the, the tough questions and that was
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important for me to be there and to answer these questions. And, you know, he's a leader. Uh,
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he has a vision for his country and, you know, uh, he wants to help us Canadians and other people
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to be successful. And now what is happening to him, you know, they try to silence him. They,
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they don't want his voice out there because they cannot compete with that, with arguments,
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with reason. And so, yes, I was here in Toronto this afternoon and we had the rally, uh, in support
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of Jordan Peterson, but also Ezra in support of all, uh, courageous Canadians that lost their job
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because of their convictions, because of their ideas. And that is happening right now in Canada,
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in, in a free country that is supposed to be free. So, uh, I don't like that. It's very dangerous.
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And, and, you know, uh, I will always dare to support people who promote our charter of rights.
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It'll be interesting to see if any mainstream or legacy media outlets cover the protest today. We
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had a rebel news reporter down there, David Benzies, and, uh, I saw some of the footage. It
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looked exciting. There was lots of police presence. Um, it'll be interesting to see what the CBC or the
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Globe and Mail says, if they were even there. I, I didn't, I was there. I didn't see them. They
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don't want to cover, to cover the other side of the story. Like you're doing. Yeah. Like you're
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doing. Um, but more and more people are listening to you, to the independent media. And that's,
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that's a good news. Uh, so we'll see, but I believe that they picked the wrong guy doing that
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fight against Jordan Peterson. And I believe that will help the freedom movement because
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I believe that Mr. Peterson will, will fight, uh, and, and will sue them. And, and because
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of that, that the challenge that we have in Canada with our, with our freedom, freedom of
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expression, now more people understand and more people know that this country is not free
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anymore. Yeah. Well, I think it, I think censorship is going to be a theme for 2023,
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I believe. Oh yeah. Between the laws proposed by Trudeau and, um, Jordan Peterson example.
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And I think that Elon Musk has revealed so much of the behind the scenes censorship,
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government pressuring social media companies. I think it's going to be, um,
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The Twitter files. Yeah. The Twitter files. That you, you won't hear that in the legacy media.
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Yeah. Yeah. You know, I did, I went to the CBC website and I typed in Twitter files and I did
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this a few weeks ago. Maybe it's changed now, but when I did it, they didn't even cover the story.
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It's a, our, our, our rebel viewers know about it. It's Elon Musk revealing internal records. So
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he's the boss. He owns the records now. He's revealing the bad behavior where government
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officials secretly pressured Twitter and Twitter was happy to do it in many cases to censor
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contrarian views, whether it was political views or health views. I'd like to see the Canadian
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Twitter files. I'd like to see if Trudeau or Gerald Butts or Catherine McKenna or Chrystia Freeland
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ordered Twitter to do any censorship. And, uh, I know that, um, there are some, uh, politicians
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or other prominent doctors that were shadow banned on Twitter during, uh, the COVID hysteria.
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I was part of that and I want to know more details. I hope we'll have the Canadian Twitter
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files. Well, and I know that Elon Musk has been giving batches of records to different
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journalists, uh, independent journalists to do it. And we've certainly let them know that
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we would love to have the Canadian files. Um, now let's talk about the prospect of an election
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because there was an election in 2019 election in 2021. It, it seems like there might be an
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election in 2023, just in terms of timing. Um, I mean, 2023, if not for sure, it'll be 2024,
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I would think. And Pierre Polyev won the conservative leadership with a large number on the first ballot.
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I think most members of the party seem to be more excited about him than Aaron O'Toole.
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His wife, Anaida Polyev seems to be a strong candidate. He seems to be talking stronger and
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more conservatively about everything from cancel culture to the CBC, to monetary policy.
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I think he's impressed the party base. Those are issues that you used to own, that you used to be
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your comparative advantage to the conservative party of Canada. How does the people's party of Canada
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deal with a conservative party of Canada? And that is not perfect. Don't, don't think I think it's
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perfect, but I believe that Pierre Polyev is better than Aaron O'Toole or Andrew Scheer. I believe that.
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I said, I said he's more intelligent than O'Toole for sure. And a better communicator.
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Yeah. So, so how does that work for you? But we won't change, uh, you know, because on the more,
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uh, on a lot of policies, there's a lot of differences. You mentioned immigration. Yeah,
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immigration. And, and, and, you know, I can speak about inflation. Uh, you know, what he said about
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inflation, I think he was right saying that it's because of a bad monetary policy, but also we had a
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bad monetary policy. And, and the Bank of Canada was the credit card for the federal government
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because the Trudeau government, uh, spend money that we don't have. And the Bank of Canada printed
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all that money. But Trudeau was able to do that because he had the support of the conservative and
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Polyev. They voted for all these COVID programs. And that's why we have inflation. So when he's speaking
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about inflation, you know, he, he was part of the creation of that inflation, that, uh, just inflation,
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and it can be also a Pierre inflation because he voted for all these programs during COVID-19 and
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during COVID-19, he was okay with the lockdowns and all that. And so the Bank of Canada printed all
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that money and the solution of that. And he doesn't, he doesn't have the right solution is to say to the
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Bank of Canada, you must have a zero inflation target. Like that, you won't be able to create
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money out of tin air. We will preserve our purchasing power. We will be richer. He knows that inflation is
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because of printing money out of tin air, but he won't do anything about that. He agrees. He agrees
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with the 2% inflation target, but Ezra, 2% inflation every year. Since 2012, for the last 10 years,
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we had 25% inflation, 25%. So, so 2% inflation is bad. 20% inflation is bad. 6% inflation is bad. It
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must be 0%. So there's a lot of subject and policies that we don't agree. And, and, and I hope that it
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will be on our side. I can speak about Ukraine, the war in Ukraine, polyev, the green, the liberals,
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and everybody, they are all in for that war. We are the only political party that is promoting peace
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and peacekeeping and peacemaking. It's, it's our history. It's our culture as Canadians. We must
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be sure to promote a diplomatic solution to that crisis. So that's another big difference with Pierre
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Polyev. And I can, I can go on with the equalization. You know, you have Western alienation
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and you have Western alienation because of the equalization formula. Quebec received
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last year, I think it was $40 billion. The equalization money, it's $24 billion. It's all coming
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from Western Canada. That's unfair. We must change that. Polyev won't speak about that. He doesn't have
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the courage because if he's speaking about that, he may lose some vote in Quebec and in New Brunswick.
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I'm speaking against that equalization formula. I'm saying we must be less generous. We must change
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the formula and we must have a new formula that would be fair for everybody. And I'm saying that
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in French, in New Brunswick, in French, in Quebec, because I know it's, it, it is what we must do
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to keep that country united. And I can speak about healthcare. Polyev is okay with sending billion
00:27:11.600
dollars to provinces, provinces on healthcare. It won't solve anything. We must change. We have a
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bureaucratic, a socialist system. And, and we must say to provinces, raise your own money for healthcare
00:27:24.540
by giving them all the money that the federal government is receiving with the GST. So they will have
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about $4 billion. And Canadians will know who to blame for a lack of services in healthcare, for waiting
00:27:38.320
time for surgeries. Now our Canadians don't know who to blame. Is it the federal government because it's not
00:27:44.680
giving enough money to the province or the provincial government because they don't know how to manage
00:27:51.080
healthcare system and hospital. So it's a provincial jurisdiction. They must have the money without any
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conditions. And, and you'll know who to blame. It will be your provincial government. But Polyev won't
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speak about that. And, and so there's a lot of issues. And that's why when the election will come as
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raw, maybe it will be this year, maybe it would be next year or in 2025, but I'll be on the stage
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to debate. I was not on the stage at the last election. They created a new rule because they didn't
00:28:21.860
want me. They said, you need to have five, 4% of the vote. We had 5%. So I'll be there. And I'll be
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happy to debate with Pierre Polyev and Justin Trudeau about common sense policies.
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You mentioned Ukraine there. And I know that Canadians are really focused on our domestic
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situation. There's a lot of problems we have to fix at home, but Ukraine, which I don't think most
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Canadians were thinking about a year ago is so it's such a high priority for the media and politicians.
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And it's, it seems like you absolutely have to be gung ho for sending money and military equipment.
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Like it's just, it's, it feels like I don't, I've just never seen such a mania for a war that feels
00:29:12.180
far away from here. And I mean, of course I sympathize with a country that's being invaded.
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And of course I don't admire Putin who was a KGB agent and he's an authoritarian ruler,
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but I'm, I'm a little nervous about some of the warmongering language because at the end of the
00:29:29.060
day, Russia is a nuclear power. I, I find that whole thing uncomfortable, but the crazy thing about it
00:29:33.940
is if you say even a word of about peace or caution, like not pro Putin stuff, but just, whoa,
00:29:41.080
let's slow down here. You're accused of being a Putin spy or something. What's going on with that?
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Yeah. That's the, the new narrative. If you're for peace and prosperity, you are pro, for pro Putin.
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And you know, that, that's the same thing that happened to us during COVID-19. If you were against
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the mandates, you know, you are not a good Canadians and your story won't be in the mainstream media.
00:30:08.060
Yeah. That's the same thing right now with that war in Ukraine. It is not our war, but everybody,
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the mainstream media, all these establishment politicians, they are in that war with Ukraine
00:30:23.800
So let's use on the Golden Globes last week. How did that happen?
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$4 billion. The Canadian government just gave $4 billion. The liberals, the conservatives,
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Poliev, everybody, they are, yeah, yeah, yeah, go. Now, now it's a proxy war between US, NATO,
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That's what scares me. That's the part that scares me.
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And it's very dangerous. It's very dangerous. And you know, we must look at the history and try to
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have a peaceful negotiation. And I hope it will happen, but it's scary.
00:30:54.840
Right. And again, there's the problem. And then there's the enforcement of only one view allowed.
00:31:00.900
And, uh, you know, I, our viewers know that the university of Calgary, there's a professor there
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named Boucher who receives funding from Trudeau's department of defense. And he did a study that
00:31:12.780
claimed we were pro Putin and propagandists and you were on his hit list too. It was, it was such a
00:31:19.380
junk science study. And I thought, what is going on here? One of the tests they had for being pro
00:31:25.340
Putin, they had five criteria. One of them was, do you undermine trust in Justin Trudeau or the
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liberal government? Well, most Canadians don't trust Trudeau. That doesn't mean they're all
00:31:36.060
Putin agents. It's very strange. But, but, but on that, I just want to add, I did an interview in
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French with a journal de Montréal. That's the biggest Francophone newspaper, uh, when that war
00:31:48.980
started. And, you know, because they thought that, um, you know, Bernie must be pro Putin the way that
00:31:54.560
he's speaking. So the journalist asked me a lot of questions and, you know, he wanted to prove to
00:32:00.780
everybody that I'm pro Putin. And, you know, we did a nice interview about, you know, 25 minutes and I was
00:32:07.480
answering question and I, I had logical arguments telling them why I'm not supporting that war.
00:32:13.840
And, uh, and they didn't print that. They didn't print it because it was not in line with the
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narrative. And because I was looking good with nice argument that it's not our war. We don't have to be
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there. Isn't that interesting? Well, we've talked a lot about problems, which is what the job of an
00:32:30.680
opposition politician is. Um, that's part of a healthy democracy. Let's end on a positive note.
00:32:39.360
What do you think, uh, is there a silver lining to the last few years? Is there something positive
00:32:46.840
that's come out of the pandemic and the lockdowns? Is there something about 2023 that you find hopeful?
00:32:52.920
Oh, yes. Yes. You know, I'm traveling across the country and I can tell you that more and more people
00:32:58.200
understand the, the challenges that we are having our country right now. So, and, and more people are
00:33:06.320
looking at leaders, not only politicians for a solution and they're ready to look to a new
00:33:13.900
alternative, like they're, they're leaving a little bit the mainstream media and going to alternative
00:33:20.140
media. And in politics, they're doing that. You know, uh, Pierre Polyev is, uh, is going up in the,
00:33:26.000
in the polls and I'm going up in the poll also. So something would happen. And I believe in people,
00:33:32.040
I have faith in people, and I believe that they have the ability, uh, and, and to do what they want
00:33:38.660
to do with their life. And, and, you know, if you, if, if you don't look at what your politician is doing
00:33:49.300
or are doing, sorry, you won't be able to live in a free and a prosperous country. So I believe
00:33:56.680
that more people understand that a big fat government won't solve anything and they need
00:34:01.040
to have more freedom in a smaller government. And just for an example, for us, when we started
00:34:06.860
the party in 2018 at 0%, our first election 1.6 and the last election 5%, I believe we will grow.
00:34:14.140
And we are able to influence the narrative to, to, to move the public opinion. And something will
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happen in this country. It can be this year. It can be next year, but I believe the freedom fighters
00:34:30.060
will win. Right on. Well, great to see you again and good luck in 2023. We've been talking to Maxime
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Bernier, the leader of the People's Party in Canada. On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World
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headquarters to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.