Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ You won't believe these Toronto Police Service training videos are real

00:00:00.000 Tonight, just how bad is the woke virus?

00:00:18.460 Well, folks, we have just obtained video evidence

00:00:21.140 showing that the Toronto police must treat transgendered people

00:00:26.980 in a preferential fashion or else.

00:00:31.260 It's Friday, April 21, 2023.

00:00:34.980 I'm David Menzies, and this is The Ezra Levent Show.

00:00:38.860 You're ready for freedom!

00:00:41.920 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:00:52.880 In recent years, we've witnessed so many entities going woke

00:00:56.800 from academic institutions and major corporations

00:01:00.240 to Hollywood studios and even professional sports leagues.

00:01:05.000 This commitment to wokeism is especially true

00:01:07.820 when it comes to one particular file,

00:01:10.280 namely advocating for transgender rights.

00:01:15.080 Sure, that chick might look like Herman Munster in a miniskirt,

00:01:18.480 but he or she or they, well, they've got rights, you see.

00:01:22.920 Oh, not equal rights, mind you, but extra special rights.

00:01:27.380 Indeed, advocating for transgenderism seems to be the hip

00:01:31.600 and fashionable thing to do these days,

00:01:34.300 be it taking in a drag queen story time down at the public library

00:01:38.700 or accommodating a high school shop teacher

00:01:41.680 who likes to dress as a grotesque caricature of a woman

00:01:46.060 while teaching woodworking 101.

00:01:48.360 But to quote Backman-Turner Overdrive circa 1974,

00:01:54.740 Yep, folks, you ain't seen nothing yet.

00:02:00.780 In fact, you were never meant to see what I am about to present.

00:02:05.860 That's because this material was never meant to be seen

00:02:08.720 by the general public, but rather only the rank and file

00:02:12.340 of the Toronto Police Service.

00:02:14.020 This material was leaked to Rebel News

00:02:16.860 by a whistleblowing Toronto police officer,

00:02:20.100 a whistleblower who shall remain anonymous.

00:02:24.180 And so it is, we have in our possession

00:02:26.620 online training modules from the newly-woke

00:02:30.540 Toronto Police Service.

00:02:32.220 And the message is simple.

00:02:33.860 When it comes to that whole, you know, serve and protect schtick,

00:02:37.540 a different set of law enforcement rules must be put into play

00:02:41.600 when it comes to the transgender community.

00:02:45.120 Yes, in the quest to affirm and appease

00:02:47.720 the spirit unicorn demographic,

00:02:50.680 all Toronto police staffers are now obligated to watch

00:02:54.880 an education initiative called,

00:02:57.780 and I'm not making this up,

00:02:59.480 the Gender Diversity Trans Inclusion Project,

00:03:03.320 or GDTIP for short.

00:03:06.360 Hmm, GDTIP, wasn't that a trim level

00:03:11.640 for the Pontiac Bonneville back in the day?

00:03:15.340 But I digress.

00:03:16.760 Much like Disney World, where it is now verboten

00:03:19.880 for staff to say, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,

00:03:23.700 the cops are being forced to go woke too.

00:03:26.720 Now, in fairness, the only difference is

00:03:28.740 that all this woeful wokeness is being forced upon

00:03:33.140 the Toronto Police Service by that non-elected

00:03:36.300 and unaccountable kangaroo court,

00:03:38.540 that is the Ontario Human Rights Commission.

00:03:41.540 And our whistleblower tells us that many of the rank-and-file

00:03:45.080 simply cannot believe what they've had to endure

00:03:48.560 with this training module.

00:03:50.600 Little wonder, as you are about to see for yourself,

00:03:53.000 many of the videos essentially involve members

00:03:56.800 of the Toronto trans community,

00:03:59.560 many of whom seem to be homeless

00:04:01.880 and or struggling with mental health issues,

00:04:05.440 lecturing cops on the unique ways

00:04:08.640 they must police transgender people.

00:04:11.840 And like everything else pertaining to the

00:04:14.380 Transsanity file these days,

00:04:16.200 the prevailing theme boils down to three specific points.

00:04:21.060 One, if it's trans, it's good,

00:04:23.120 and if it's good, it's trans.

00:04:24.620 Two, transgender people should be treated

00:04:27.380 in a special way because, well,

00:04:29.760 these are special people.

00:04:31.920 And three, if anyone has a problem

00:04:34.260 with the aforementioned two points,

00:04:37.100 then you are insensitive at best

00:04:39.780 and a hateful transphobe at worst.

00:04:43.060 The content is truly jaw-dropping, folks.

00:04:45.840 I can only imagine what goes through the heads

00:04:48.560 of Toronto's finest when they are forced to sit down

00:04:51.800 and watch this rainbow-hued propaganda

00:04:54.460 while being forbidden to laugh out loud.

00:04:58.060 But don't take my word for it.

00:05:00.220 I've spent a few hours going through this agonizing

00:05:03.360 and at times nonsensical module

00:05:06.180 so that you don't have to.

00:05:08.320 Yep, you're welcome.

00:05:09.780 So without further ado, let's get to it.

00:05:12.680 The first spokesman, or I mean spokeswoman,

00:05:16.680 no, that's not quite right either.

00:05:18.340 You see, this person identifies as agender.

00:05:21.760 That's A-G-E-N-D-E-R.

00:05:25.600 That means neither male or female

00:05:28.180 or a trans man or a trans woman.

00:05:31.600 Yep, agender is a new one for me too, folks,

00:05:34.820 so I looked it up.

00:05:36.320 Here's the definition.

00:05:37.400 Agender people see themselves

00:05:39.180 as neither a man nor a woman or both.

00:05:42.160 They're gender-neutral

00:05:43.200 and often are described as gender-free or gender-less.

00:05:47.440 Thanks for the clarity, Merriam-Webster.

00:05:50.100 Much obliged.

00:05:51.300 Make those messages clear.

00:05:53.160 Oh, make those messages clear.

00:05:58.940 Oh yeah, it's clear all right.

00:06:00.860 By the way, Gotham City has nothing

00:06:03.580 on Hogtown these days, folks,

00:06:05.840 thanks to the disgraceful stewardship

00:06:08.120 of the dishonourable ex-mayor, John Tory.

00:06:12.380 Anyway, let's get more clarity

00:06:14.620 from Mr. Slash Mrs. Agender,

00:06:18.100 his slash herself.

00:06:20.060 Being agender in Toronto

00:06:22.320 is a very pleasant experience most of the time.

00:06:30.200 I feel like there's a very vibrant,

00:06:33.040 gender-diverse community.

00:06:38.840 I feel like I have a lot of peers

00:06:41.660 who I can relate to.

00:06:43.400 I feel like,

00:06:44.960 I feel relatively safe.

00:06:48.000 If I were approached by

00:06:49.800 law enforcement in Toronto,

00:06:52.080 I want to be

00:06:53.140 acknowledged using my preferred pronouns.

00:06:58.480 I want there to be awareness

00:07:03.900 that I won't necessarily move

00:07:07.640 in a way that might be expected

00:07:11.060 of someone who presents like me.

00:07:13.500 And my behaviours and

00:07:20.580 the way I carry myself

00:07:24.260 just might be

00:07:25.080 a bit different than

00:07:26.960 what is anticipated.

00:07:30.200 Fascinating.

00:07:31.060 You know, it'd be most helpful

00:07:32.460 if those pronouns were presented

00:07:35.240 in that teaching module.

00:07:37.440 Is the speaker a he, him,

00:07:39.540 or a she, her,

00:07:40.320 or a they, them,

00:07:41.660 or a per-pers,

00:07:43.300 or a vee-ver,

00:07:44.480 or a zee-zi?

00:07:46.480 And as Ron Papal used to say

00:07:49.160 on those cheesy Ronkoats,

00:07:51.420 but wait, there's more.

00:07:53.400 I feel like

00:07:54.420 I've had some

00:07:58.740 some really negative

00:08:02.540 and sort of neutral experiences

00:08:07.160 in my interactions

00:08:08.540 with Toronto Police.

00:08:13.620 In the circumstances

00:08:15.280 where I found it

00:08:16.480 to be a bad experience,

00:08:20.080 I was handled

00:08:23.120 really physically violently,

00:08:25.080 which is really dehumanising.

00:08:27.980 Okay, this person

00:08:29.700 was handled

00:08:30.520 really physically

00:08:31.580 and violently,

00:08:33.100 but was she,

00:08:33.960 her, zee, zee,

00:08:35.140 or the,

00:08:35.980 perhaps, you know,

00:08:37.260 breaking the law

00:08:38.100 at the time?

00:08:39.340 What led to this

00:08:40.440 negative encounter

00:08:41.520 with police?

00:08:42.780 It's never explained.

00:08:43.960 And yes,

00:08:44.420 I know we are supposed

00:08:45.260 to think of trans people

00:08:47.140 as being soft and cuddly

00:08:48.660 and full of love

00:08:49.520 and giggles,

00:08:50.220 but is this truly

00:08:51.660 always the case?

00:08:52.580 Remember this guy?

00:08:53.620 I mean, gal?

00:08:54.240 I mean, something?

00:08:55.980 Excuse me, it's ma'am.

00:08:57.640 It is ma'am.

00:08:58.920 I can call the police

00:08:59.700 if you'd like me to.

00:09:00.540 You need to settle down.

00:09:01.540 You need to settle down

00:09:02.480 and mind your business.

00:09:03.400 Okay?

00:09:04.420 Ma'am.

00:09:05.160 Once again, ma'am.

00:09:06.500 I said both of you.

00:09:07.720 No, you said sir.

00:09:09.020 Once again, it's ma'am.

00:09:10.320 I actually said both of you guys.

00:09:11.880 It was the general.

00:09:12.340 Right beforehand,

00:09:13.340 you fucking said sir.

00:09:14.740 Sir?

00:09:15.140 I'll guess.

00:09:16.620 Motherfucker,

00:09:17.120 take it outside.

00:09:18.040 If you want to call me sir again,

00:09:19.280 I will show you a fucking sir.

00:09:21.000 I apologize.

00:09:21.840 Motherfucker.

00:09:22.360 I apologize now.

00:09:23.000 Yeah, the clerk was obviously

00:09:26.740 at fault for calling someone

00:09:28.200 who is obviously a biological male

00:09:30.280 sir.

00:09:31.680 And par for the course,

00:09:32.680 when a trans person

00:09:34.300 has their feelings hurt,

00:09:36.080 well,

00:09:36.740 they tend to self-identify

00:09:38.860 as violent thugs.

00:09:40.880 Okay, so we leapfrog from

00:09:43.800 high-energy Miss America

00:09:45.360 to a message from none other

00:09:47.400 than Toronto Police Chief

00:09:48.880 James Reimer.

00:09:50.520 Poor Chief Reimer.

00:09:52.100 He displays all the enthusiasm

00:09:53.640 of a man marching to the gallows

00:09:55.660 as he explains what led to this

00:09:58.280 torturous transgender training,

00:10:01.220 something that has little to do

00:10:03.300 with law enforcement

00:10:04.200 and everything to do with

00:10:05.700 wokeness and political correctness

00:10:07.740 and virtue signalling.

00:10:09.580 Welcome to the Diversity

00:10:10.640 and Trans Inclusion Module,

00:10:12.740 an essential part of the

00:10:14.000 Toronto Police Service's

00:10:15.020 GDTI Inclusion Initiative.

00:10:17.860 The training you are about to

00:10:19.280 undergo reflects our commitment

00:10:21.100 to strengthening our relationship

00:10:22.880 with the trans and gender-diverse

00:10:24.360 communities in Toronto

00:10:25.660 and to making TPS a safe

00:10:28.280 and inclusive workplace

00:10:29.460 for our trans and non-binary employees.

00:10:32.600 In 2015,

00:10:34.040 Boyd Kodak,

00:10:35.040 a trans man,

00:10:36.280 filed a human rights complaint

00:10:37.540 after being discriminated against

00:10:39.140 by both TPS

00:10:40.440 and the Ministry of Community,

00:10:42.540 Safety and Correctional Services.

00:10:45.200 Following his arrest,

00:10:46.860 Mr. Kodak was placed

00:10:47.900 in the woman's sections

00:10:48.840 of both police

00:10:49.700 and correctional facilities.

00:10:51.800 Had his gender-affirming articles

00:10:53.680 confiscated,

00:10:54.520 oh my God in heaven,

00:10:56.440 she had her gender-affirming

00:10:58.620 articles confiscated?

00:11:00.500 In other words,

00:11:01.660 they took away her dildo?

00:11:04.520 Sorry,

00:11:05.080 but when one is being incarcerated,

00:11:07.920 that standard procedure,

00:11:09.500 when one is placed

00:11:10.440 in a prison cell,

00:11:11.600 you surrender

00:11:12.240 your shoelaces,

00:11:13.840 your necktie,

00:11:14.600 wristwatch,

00:11:15.180 cell phone,

00:11:15.660 you name it.

00:11:16.660 But apparently a dildo

00:11:18.100 is a gender-affirming article.

00:11:20.980 No, it's not.

00:11:23.500 It's most likely

00:11:24.580 a phallic-shaped piece

00:11:26.200 of plastic made in China.

00:11:28.440 And in theory,

00:11:29.700 it's something

00:11:30.420 that could be weaponized.

00:11:33.300 Ah, but because

00:11:34.280 the owner of this dildo

00:11:36.180 is a transgendered humanoid,

00:11:38.540 well, as Gilda Radner

00:11:40.020 used to say.

00:11:40.740 Oh, that's very different.

00:11:45.960 Never mind.

00:11:47.260 Now back to the chief,

00:11:48.380 who by now must be wondering

00:11:49.840 why he ever got into

00:11:51.380 the policing business

00:11:52.460 in the first place.

00:11:53.340 In 2016,

00:11:54.680 Mr. Kodak,

00:11:56.080 the Ontario Human Rights Commission,

00:11:57.980 and the Toronto Police Services Board

00:11:59.500 reached a settlement

00:12:00.640 requiring TPS

00:12:02.260 to take major steps

00:12:03.640 to address the treatment

00:12:04.880 of trans people in custody.

00:12:07.360 This case,

00:12:08.920 Waterman v.

00:12:09.940 the Toronto Police Services Board

00:12:11.460 and the Missing Persons Report

00:12:13.360 have served as catalysts

00:12:15.260 for change.

00:12:17.220 TPS must do

00:12:18.520 the necessary work

00:12:19.800 to build bridges

00:12:20.540 and restore trust

00:12:21.880 with members

00:12:22.700 of our vulnerable communities,

00:12:24.680 supported by

00:12:25.340 inclusive programming,

00:12:26.940 operations,

00:12:27.960 and services.

00:12:30.360 TPS has conducted

00:12:31.360 online and in-person consultations

00:12:33.520 with experts

00:12:34.480 and with members

00:12:35.520 of our trans

00:12:36.200 and gender-diverse communities

00:12:37.660 to receive their feedback

00:12:39.320 on policies,

00:12:40.680 procedures,

00:12:41.520 and officer training.

00:12:42.600 It is crucial that you,

00:12:44.180 as Toronto Police Officers,

00:12:45.560 understand the experiences

00:12:46.780 of trans individuals

00:12:48.400 in order to address

00:12:49.700 their concerns

00:12:50.340 and protect their safety

00:12:51.760 while also avoiding

00:12:53.100 potentially dangerous

00:12:54.220 or dehumanizing situations.

00:12:57.540 How you interact

00:12:58.680 with trans individuals

00:12:59.640 and the actions you take

00:13:00.960 in the course of your duties

00:13:02.060 can make the difference

00:13:03.260 between individuals

00:13:04.180 and their communities

00:13:05.520 feeling harmed

00:13:06.520 or protected.

00:13:08.200 This training

00:13:09.140 will support you

00:13:09.860 in providing police services

00:13:11.040 that are bias-free

00:13:12.000 and trans-inclusive.

00:13:13.360 You see,

00:13:14.220 it's all about

00:13:14.960 getting to know

00:13:16.040 the members

00:13:16.680 of the transgender community,

00:13:18.540 their needs,

00:13:19.320 their wants,

00:13:20.040 their ambitions,

00:13:21.000 their dreams.

00:13:22.280 Know you,

00:13:23.920 getting to know

00:13:24.820 all about you,

00:13:27.700 getting to like you,

00:13:31.480 getting to hope

00:13:32.320 you like me.

00:13:35.300 Seriously,

00:13:36.060 after that pep talk

00:13:37.200 from the chief,

00:13:37.820 how many police officers

00:13:38.940 in Toronto

00:13:39.440 are now updating

00:13:40.460 their resumes?

00:13:41.200 Oh,

00:13:42.620 but the propaganda

00:13:43.760 keeps coming.

00:13:45.100 Here's a message

00:13:45.760 from someone

00:13:46.440 who is actually

00:13:47.560 a Toronto police officer.

00:13:49.900 He's part of the

00:13:50.920 Equity, Inclusion,

00:13:52.140 and Human Rights Unit.

00:13:53.820 Yeah,

00:13:54.140 as Torontonians

00:13:55.160 are getting

00:13:55.640 randomly mugged

00:13:56.900 and stabbed

00:13:57.980 and murdered,

00:13:58.940 well,

00:13:59.360 by golly,

00:14:00.820 it warms the heart

00:14:01.960 to know

00:14:02.480 that a cop shop

00:14:04.300 has an Equity,

00:14:05.700 Inclusion,

00:14:06.380 and Human Rights Unit.

00:14:08.140 The Equity,

00:14:08.620 and Inclusion,

00:14:09.160 and Human Rights Unit

00:14:10.060 will be continuing

00:14:11.220 to support

00:14:12.060 the organization

00:14:12.960 in enhancing access

00:14:15.380 for trans

00:14:16.460 and non-binary people

00:14:17.900 through taking a look

00:14:19.140 at our hiring

00:14:19.780 and recruitment processes

00:14:21.760 to ensure

00:14:22.800 that we can begin

00:14:23.880 to recruit individuals

00:14:25.440 who will be able

00:14:26.140 to work effectively

00:14:27.120 with people

00:14:28.020 with different

00:14:28.480 lived experiences

00:14:29.420 as well as recruiting

00:14:30.860 those of different

00:14:32.560 lived experiences,

00:14:33.780 including trans

00:14:34.780 and non-binary individuals.

00:14:36.500 Yeah,

00:14:37.360 so welcome

00:14:37.860 to your whiz-bang,

00:14:39.360 woke-joke

00:14:39.940 Toronto Police Service

00:14:41.120 in 2023

00:14:42.100 in which hiring

00:14:43.280 is no longer

00:14:44.440 determined by merit

00:14:45.640 but rather

00:14:46.360 gender identity.

00:14:48.340 In other words,

00:14:49.180 you want a job

00:14:50.460 with the Toronto cops,

00:14:51.920 make sure you bring

00:14:53.080 along that white,

00:14:54.180 pink,

00:14:54.420 and baby blue

00:14:55.120 colored flag

00:14:55.860 to the hiring interview

00:14:56.920 and tone down

00:14:58.560 all that toxic masculinity,

00:15:00.680 will you,

00:15:01.080 you big bully?

00:15:02.760 Moving on,

00:15:03.740 in case you thought

00:15:04.880 the role of a police officer

00:15:06.320 was to uphold the law

00:15:08.160 and keep the peace,

00:15:10.300 alas and alack,

00:15:11.360 that's just so yesterdecade

00:15:13.380 because while it would be

00:15:15.460 quite jolly

00:15:16.520 that cops are familiar

00:15:17.960 with the criminal code

00:15:19.080 and the Charter of Rights

00:15:20.640 and Freedoms,

00:15:21.280 in Toronto,

00:15:21.840 the powers that be

00:15:22.640 would prefer

00:15:23.300 that the constables

00:15:25.040 morph into

00:15:26.160 gender-bender know-it-alls,

00:15:28.920 check out what

00:15:29.700 this specimen

00:15:30.620 has to say.

00:15:31.820 Gender refers to

00:15:33.100 all the societal assumptions

00:15:34.520 we make about someone

00:15:36.220 connected to their assumed

00:15:37.600 or assigned sex.

00:15:39.520 Gender includes

00:15:40.180 an individual's roles

00:15:41.240 in society,

00:15:42.460 what we think

00:15:43.100 they might be like

00:15:43.880 or good at.

00:15:45.240 For gender,

00:15:46.240 we might expect words

00:15:47.340 like woman,

00:15:48.300 man,

00:15:48.720 and non-binary,

00:15:49.820 but there's many

00:15:50.640 other possible genders.

00:15:52.800 Gender includes

00:15:53.500 both gender identity

00:15:54.520 and gender expression.

00:15:56.740 Gender identity

00:15:57.420 is a person's

00:15:58.360 internal sense

00:15:59.400 of their own gender.

00:16:01.080 Gender expression

00:16:01.900 refers to all the ways

00:16:03.260 a person conveys

00:16:04.380 their gender to others,

00:16:05.880 which can include

00:16:06.740 hairstyle,

00:16:07.920 choosing what makeup

00:16:08.720 to wear or not,

00:16:10.220 what clothes someone wears,

00:16:12.260 if they wear perfume

00:16:13.320 or cologne,

00:16:14.460 how someone takes up space,

00:16:16.480 the pitch of a person's voice.

00:16:18.740 Other people can see,

00:16:20.580 hear,

00:16:21.120 or smell

00:16:21.740 our gender expression.

00:16:23.260 Oh, well,

00:16:23.800 thank God gender expression

00:16:25.420 has a scent.

00:16:27.020 After all,

00:16:27.720 we wouldn't want

00:16:28.520 to exclude the canine unit

00:16:30.460 when it comes

00:16:31.140 to all this

00:16:31.720 trans inclusion now,

00:16:33.580 would we?

00:16:34.180 Just keep that dog

00:16:35.600 from looking at me.

00:16:37.160 That's the scariest

00:16:38.220 looking dog

00:16:38.860 I've ever seen.

00:16:40.140 Now,

00:16:40.420 assuming you can stomach it,

00:16:42.260 let's move on

00:16:43.020 to Module 5,

00:16:44.020 which actually features

00:16:45.200 an uber-sensitive

00:16:46.260 Toronto cop.

00:16:47.680 Yet again,

00:16:48.640 no toxic masculinity

00:16:50.540 to be found here, folks.

00:16:52.260 Hello,

00:16:52.740 my name is Robert Chevalier.

00:16:54.460 I'm the LGBTQ2S Plus

00:16:56.680 liaison officer

00:16:57.640 for the Toronto Police Service.

00:16:59.060 Now,

00:16:59.640 wait a minute.

00:17:00.580 Did he say

00:17:01.720 LGBTQ2S Plus?

00:17:05.580 Wow,

00:17:06.140 that is such

00:17:06.960 outdated language

00:17:08.440 to describe

00:17:09.380 the alphabet soup community.

00:17:11.000 After all,

00:17:11.620 back in 2017,

00:17:13.420 the Elementary Teachers

00:17:14.740 Federation of Ontario

00:17:15.940 said the proper

00:17:17.440 descriptor

00:17:18.280 for this set

00:17:19.800 was the following.

00:17:21.820 L-G-B-D-D-T-T-T-I-Q-Q-A-A-P-P.

00:17:29.800 Which stands for,

00:17:30.840 take a breath,

00:17:32.140 lesbian,

00:17:32.940 gay,

00:17:33.580 genderqueer,

00:17:34.600 bisexual,

00:17:35.500 demisexual,

00:17:36.540 transgender,

00:17:37.260 transsexual,

00:17:38.120 two-spirit,

00:17:39.180 intersex,

00:17:39.960 queer,

00:17:40.460 questioning,

00:17:41.400 asexual,

00:17:42.300 allies,

00:17:43.240 pansexual,

00:17:44.620 and polyamorous.

00:17:46.460 As an aside,

00:17:47.280 do you notice that

00:17:48.100 one letter is

00:17:48.960 conspicuously absent,

00:17:50.540 namely H for

00:17:51.820 heterosexual?

00:17:53.300 You know,

00:17:53.780 that silly

00:17:54.580 sexual orientation

00:17:56.020 that comprises,

00:17:57.360 oh,

00:17:57.580 about 98%

00:17:59.100 of the population

00:18:00.080 on the planet.

00:18:01.560 But I digress.

00:18:03.220 Say,

00:18:03.660 this never gets old,

00:18:04.860 folks.

00:18:05.220 Let's watch

00:18:05.940 ex-Liberal Party

00:18:07.040 of Canada

00:18:07.540 President Stephen LeDrew

00:18:08.820 going to bat

00:18:09.720 for that

00:18:10.860 astonishing acronym.

00:18:12.380 So what does

00:18:12.740 this acronym mean

00:18:13.480 specifically?

00:18:14.240 What are the categories?

00:18:16.320 Well,

00:18:16.640 I mean,

00:18:16.980 it's generally

00:18:17.580 shortened to

00:18:18.140 LGBTQ,

00:18:19.600 which is

00:18:20.300 the communities,

00:18:20.860 and there's a few

00:18:21.460 extra ones

00:18:21.880 they've added in there.

00:18:23.520 But no one goes by that.

00:18:25.360 Maybe that's to teach kids

00:18:26.480 the alphabet or not,

00:18:27.740 but generally

00:18:28.660 it's referred to,

00:18:30.080 the Prime Minister

00:18:30.580 referred to it yesterday

00:18:31.420 in the House of Commons

00:18:32.520 during his apology

00:18:33.140 as LGBTQ.

00:18:35.440 And some people

00:18:36.760 don't even know

00:18:37.200 what it means,

00:18:37.640 but they just know

00:18:38.260 that it means

00:18:38.780 inclusiveness,

00:18:39.800 it's a good thing,

00:18:40.860 it's a question

00:18:41.560 of tolerance.

00:18:42.360 For example,

00:18:43.100 what's two-spirit?

00:18:45.180 Well,

00:18:45.580 two-spirit sounds

00:18:46.300 like there's someone

00:18:46.900 they don't know

00:18:47.380 whether they're,

00:18:48.200 you know,

00:18:48.700 fish or a fowl.

00:18:49.440 They don't know

00:18:49.760 whether they're

00:18:50.420 frick or frack.

00:18:51.220 So they're clearly

00:18:52.020 confused.

00:18:53.240 And, you know,

00:18:53.620 again,

00:18:54.320 if you're confused,

00:18:55.440 what better place

00:18:56.020 to go than

00:18:56.380 to be at school?

00:18:57.620 Oh,

00:18:58.260 poor LeDrew.

00:18:59.380 That statement

00:19:00.060 ended his 20-year

00:19:01.220 career at Bell Media.

00:19:03.100 You can't call

00:19:04.300 confused trans people

00:19:06.120 confused after all.

00:19:08.780 So much for

00:19:09.680 classical liberalism,

00:19:10.880 I guess.

00:19:11.360 You see,

00:19:12.000 even the people

00:19:13.080 pushing this crap

00:19:14.300 don't even know

00:19:15.060 what it means.

00:19:16.240 As for Chevalier,

00:19:17.980 who I believe

00:19:19.700 is now a sergeant,

00:19:21.640 I suggest you

00:19:22.540 turn yourself

00:19:23.360 into HR

00:19:24.280 for some

00:19:25.420 gender diversity

00:19:26.720 training.

00:19:27.820 But I digress.

00:19:29.060 Let's see what

00:19:29.820 other tips

00:19:30.600 Officer Friendly

00:19:31.500 has for the

00:19:32.620 rank and file.

00:19:33.520 One of the reasons

00:19:34.100 why the GDTI,

00:19:35.620 the Gender Diversity

00:19:36.480 Trans Inclusion Project,

00:19:37.880 is so important

00:19:39.360 to me

00:19:39.760 and I feel

00:19:40.200 so attached to it

00:19:41.140 is not only

00:19:42.340 because I'm

00:19:42.760 a gay male,

00:19:43.940 but just in

00:19:45.000 the past few

00:19:45.600 months,

00:19:46.300 my previous

00:19:47.220 niece has come

00:19:48.420 out as non-binary.

00:19:49.940 So I call her

00:19:50.540 my previous niece

00:19:51.300 because niece

00:19:52.200 is no longer

00:19:52.840 appropriate.

00:19:53.840 So the two of us

00:19:54.720 sort of put our

00:19:55.220 heads together,

00:19:55.960 did some research,

00:19:56.860 and we came up

00:19:57.540 with the word

00:19:58.000 nibbling,

00:19:58.780 which if you

00:19:59.320 Google it,

00:19:59.880 you may or may

00:20:00.760 not find that

00:20:01.860 it's a non-binary

00:20:03.780 way to call

00:20:05.320 your niece

00:20:06.280 or nephew.

00:20:07.180 Did he really

00:20:07.960 say nibbling?

00:20:10.140 Isn't that a

00:20:11.260 brand of licorice

00:20:12.460 like candy?

00:20:13.080 Or maybe

00:20:14.080 I'm thinking

00:20:14.640 about canned

00:20:15.620 corn from

00:20:16.440 the Jolly Green

00:20:17.200 Giant.

00:20:19.920 You know,

00:20:20.680 does it disturb

00:20:21.300 you as much

00:20:21.960 as it disturbs

00:20:22.700 me that the

00:20:23.340 Jolly Green

00:20:23.840 Giant wears

00:20:24.800 a dress?

00:20:26.240 Say,

00:20:26.600 do you think

00:20:27.080 the Jolly Green

00:20:27.800 Giant is trans?

00:20:29.440 But really,

00:20:30.220 why is he

00:20:30.800 always standing

00:20:31.600 with his legs

00:20:32.940 akimbo above

00:20:34.080 the crops?

00:20:35.340 Like,

00:20:35.740 where does he

00:20:36.380 relieve himself?

00:20:37.940 And maybe

00:20:38.440 that's why

00:20:39.020 he's laughing

00:20:39.780 all the time?

00:20:41.040 Ugh,

00:20:41.340 I think I'm

00:20:42.940 not so keen

00:20:43.980 about niblets

00:20:45.040 or nibs

00:20:45.720 or even

00:20:46.480 nibblings anymore,

00:20:47.800 truth be told.

00:20:48.720 But we have

00:20:50.080 more to learn,

00:20:51.080 I should think,

00:20:52.300 from the

00:20:52.740 gay sergeant.

00:20:53.500 A lot of research

00:20:54.380 has come out

00:20:54.940 to show that

00:20:55.760 just simply

00:20:57.200 referring to

00:20:57.760 people as

00:20:58.340 the name

00:20:58.680 that they

00:20:58.960 choose is

00:20:59.480 going to

00:20:59.760 reduce

00:21:00.060 thoughts of

00:21:00.660 self-harm,

00:21:02.560 suicide attempts,

00:21:03.620 and attempted

00:21:03.960 and actual

00:21:05.320 suicide.

00:21:06.180 So it is

00:21:07.040 very meaningful

00:21:07.760 that we do

00:21:08.460 this,

00:21:09.040 and that's

00:21:09.480 one of the

00:21:09.800 reasons why

00:21:10.300 I jumped

00:21:10.680 on the

00:21:11.000 chance to

00:21:11.580 get involved

00:21:12.080 with the

00:21:12.460 GDTI project.

00:21:13.920 Wow,

00:21:14.460 policing just

00:21:15.280 got so much

00:21:16.120 tougher for

00:21:16.840 the boys and

00:21:17.480 girls in blue,

00:21:18.660 don't you think?

00:21:19.280 I mean,

00:21:20.000 next time

00:21:20.880 some officer

00:21:21.780 gets in a

00:21:23.100 shootout with

00:21:24.040 some gangbangers,

00:21:25.980 hopefully they

00:21:27.400 don't misgender

00:21:28.700 anyone or

00:21:29.780 fail to use

00:21:30.660 their chosen

00:21:31.780 names.

00:21:32.800 By the way,

00:21:33.820 for all those

00:21:34.940 still employed

00:21:36.040 with the

00:21:36.440 Toronto Police

00:21:37.020 Service,

00:21:37.860 for the record,

00:21:39.220 my chosen name

00:21:40.640 as of right

00:21:41.540 now is

00:21:42.360 Mother Goose.

00:21:44.300 Well,

00:21:44.660 Miss Muffet

00:21:45.460 sat on a

00:21:46.180 tougher.

00:21:49.280 Eating

00:21:49.960 occurred some

00:21:51.060 way.

00:21:52.440 Long came a

00:21:53.180 spidey,

00:21:53.940 sat down

00:21:54.560 beside her,

00:21:55.480 said,

00:21:55.900 hey,

00:21:56.560 what's in

00:21:57.180 the ball,

00:21:58.120 bitch?

00:21:58.740 Oh!

00:21:59.640 Now it's

00:22:00.240 on to

00:22:00.740 Module 6,

00:22:01.700 and it's

00:22:02.060 time for

00:22:02.780 Lisa Crooker

00:22:03.660 to weigh in.

00:22:04.800 She's the

00:22:05.440 senior officer

00:22:06.640 overseeing the

00:22:07.800 Gender Diverse

00:22:08.840 Trans Initiative

00:22:10.080 because this is

00:22:11.860 obviously the

00:22:12.940 highest priority

00:22:14.280 for the

00:22:14.980 Toronto Police

00:22:15.900 Service today

00:22:16.660 as violent

00:22:17.920 crime

00:22:18.460 skyrockets

00:22:19.660 in Hogtown.

00:22:20.800 But teaching

00:22:21.580 the cops

00:22:22.140 critical trans

00:22:23.120 theory,

00:22:23.820 that's the

00:22:24.440 really,

00:22:25.140 really important

00:22:26.300 agenda item

00:22:27.120 these days.

00:22:28.020 43% of the

00:22:29.420 trans respondents

00:22:30.220 reported

00:22:30.800 experiencing

00:22:31.480 discrimination

00:22:32.280 compared to

00:22:33.640 5.3%

00:22:34.960 of the overall

00:22:36.000 population.

00:22:37.480 Overall,

00:22:38.540 in 2013,

00:22:40.140 the Trans Pulse

00:22:40.900 Project found

00:22:41.720 that experiences

00:22:43.040 of transphobia

00:22:44.180 were nearly

00:22:45.500 universal among

00:22:46.780 trans Ontarians

00:22:48.100 with 98%

00:22:49.940 reporting at

00:22:50.780 least one

00:22:51.320 experience of

00:22:52.320 transphobia.

00:22:53.220 You know,

00:22:53.660 I call this

00:22:54.160 fun with

00:22:54.600 statistics because

00:22:55.520 at no point

00:22:56.380 in the module

00:22:57.200 is transphobia

00:22:59.160 defined.

00:23:00.680 And really,

00:23:01.260 what is

00:23:01.740 transphobia?

00:23:03.080 Being misgendered?

00:23:04.660 Calling your

00:23:05.280 niece a niece

00:23:05.980 as opposed to

00:23:06.860 a nibbling?

00:23:08.540 Oh,

00:23:08.860 by the way,

00:23:09.760 the bio of that

00:23:10.840 spokes thingy is

00:23:11.800 very intriguing.

00:23:12.900 His name is

00:23:13.720 J. Wallace

00:23:14.560 Skelton.

00:23:15.200 All lowercase

00:23:16.680 letters,

00:23:17.360 by the way,

00:23:17.900 because apparently

00:23:19.160 using uppercase

00:23:20.300 is colonialist

00:23:21.860 or an expression

00:23:22.780 of white supremacy

00:23:23.960 or something.

00:23:24.880 And he notes

00:23:26.020 that he goes

00:23:26.940 by no pronouns.

00:23:28.860 Yeah,

00:23:29.140 there are about

00:23:29.740 128 pronouns

00:23:31.380 out there

00:23:32.000 to choose from

00:23:32.800 and Stinkerbell

00:23:33.680 has yet to find

00:23:35.720 the one that

00:23:36.540 matches his

00:23:37.720 category.

00:23:39.300 How about this

00:23:40.300 for a whiz-bang

00:23:41.480 retro-cool

00:23:42.480 gender pronoun?

00:23:44.340 Fruitcake!

00:23:45.680 Let's continue,

00:23:46.780 class.

00:23:47.320 To do no harm,

00:23:48.600 basically.

00:23:49.200 To do no harm,

00:23:50.120 whether it be

00:23:50.660 physically,

00:23:51.580 emotionally,

00:23:52.400 mentally,

00:23:52.980 to do no harm

00:23:54.080 to anybody else.

00:23:55.380 To ask this person,

00:23:57.300 how would you

00:23:57.780 prefer us

00:23:58.720 to call you?

00:24:00.580 What would you

00:24:01.040 prefer us to

00:24:01.480 call you?

00:24:02.380 Your preferred

00:24:02.960 pronouns,

00:24:04.880 you know,

00:24:05.520 what's your name?

00:24:07.280 Agree to call her

00:24:08.320 by her name.

00:24:09.160 If necessary,

00:24:10.720 to have to

00:24:11.400 go forward

00:24:12.140 and actually

00:24:13.340 to do an arrest,

00:24:14.640 to do it gently.

00:24:15.780 Well,

00:24:16.160 my heart is

00:24:17.060 bleeding for all

00:24:18.080 the normal cops

00:24:18.980 right now

00:24:19.540 because according

00:24:20.320 to Raymond

00:24:21.160 of No Fixed

00:24:22.100 Address,

00:24:23.040 before any

00:24:23.800 interaction

00:24:24.460 takes place,

00:24:25.640 cops must

00:24:26.260 determine

00:24:26.860 the sexual

00:24:28.100 orientation

00:24:28.920 and gender

00:24:29.820 identity

00:24:30.400 and the

00:24:31.380 preferred

00:24:31.780 pronouns

00:24:32.440 of those

00:24:33.120 they might

00:24:33.860 be arresting.

00:24:35.120 Oh,

00:24:35.360 and once

00:24:36.100 it's determined

00:24:36.800 that the

00:24:37.480 suspect is

00:24:38.120 trans,

00:24:38.980 please officer,

00:24:40.140 arrest him

00:24:40.800 gently.

00:24:42.320 Again,

00:24:42.780 another example

00:24:43.560 of how

00:24:44.220 the trans

00:24:44.780 community

00:24:45.140 is not

00:24:45.940 fighting for

00:24:46.480 equal rights

00:24:47.080 but rather

00:24:47.700 extra special

00:24:48.860 rights.

00:24:49.440 Excuse me,

00:24:50.200 ma'am,

00:24:50.420 no porn

00:24:50.940 at the bar.

00:24:51.640 Oh,

00:24:51.780 it's okay,

00:24:52.240 I'm transgender.

00:24:53.240 Oh,

00:24:53.560 I had no idea.

00:24:55.040 Do whatever

00:24:55.620 you want

00:24:56.040 all the time.

00:24:56.820 And now

00:24:57.500 meet

00:24:58.060 Stevia,

00:24:59.240 self-described

00:25:00.340 as a

00:25:01.080 trans man,

00:25:02.460 black,

00:25:02.980 multi-disabled,

00:25:04.080 neurodiverse

00:25:04.820 trans man.

00:25:05.920 In other words,

00:25:06.540 Stevia is the

00:25:07.460 perfect diversity

00:25:08.360 hire for any

00:25:09.280 government

00:25:09.700 bureaucracy

00:25:10.240 today.

00:25:11.100 Hear how we

00:25:11.860 identify and

00:25:13.200 respect how

00:25:14.560 we identify.

00:25:16.200 Don't decide

00:25:18.580 to identify

00:25:20.380 as how you

00:25:21.080 see and what

00:25:21.740 you're accustomed

00:25:22.400 to.

00:25:22.820 Hear what we

00:25:23.380 have to say

00:25:23.980 and respect

00:25:25.240 that.

00:25:25.840 So you see

00:25:26.460 me,

00:25:27.320 you see

00:25:27.760 breasts,

00:25:28.300 you don't

00:25:28.640 see a woman,

00:25:29.380 you see a man

00:25:30.080 who just happens

00:25:30.740 to have them.

00:25:31.820 Say,

00:25:32.320 wasn't the thorny

00:25:33.320 issue of male

00:25:34.360 boobery adroitly

00:25:35.640 addressed in

00:25:36.480 the Seinfeld

00:25:37.340 TV series?

00:25:38.860 Except we

00:25:39.220 gotta do

00:25:39.540 something about

00:25:39.940 the name.

00:25:40.680 Why,

00:25:40.920 what's wrong

00:25:41.240 with bro?

00:25:41.780 No,

00:25:42.020 bro's no good.

00:25:42.740 Too ethnic.

00:25:43.700 All right,

00:25:43.920 you got

00:25:44.160 something there?

00:25:44.880 How about

00:25:45.280 the man's ear?

00:25:51.540 Man's ear.

00:25:52.320 That's right.

00:25:53.680 A brazier

00:25:54.360 for a man.

00:25:56.160 The man's ear,

00:25:57.540 get it?

00:25:57.960 But I digress.

00:25:59.020 Let's hear

00:25:59.700 more from

00:26:00.840 Stevia.

00:26:02.220 But trying

00:26:03.000 to remember

00:26:03.520 that our

00:26:04.920 identity

00:26:05.460 actually

00:26:06.040 matters to

00:26:06.940 us is

00:26:07.840 important.

00:26:08.660 Trying to

00:26:09.220 remember that

00:26:10.160 you cause

00:26:11.560 more harm

00:26:12.200 than good

00:26:13.320 and you

00:26:13.720 might get

00:26:14.100 more of an

00:26:14.540 adverse reaction

00:26:15.400 from a person

00:26:16.240 who you're

00:26:17.080 just trying

00:26:17.500 to talk to

00:26:18.240 or something

00:26:18.820 if you

00:26:19.260 misgender

00:26:19.720 them.

00:26:20.540 For some

00:26:21.180 people,

00:26:21.980 that has

00:26:22.940 very significant

00:26:24.460 impacts.

00:26:25.820 I work

00:26:26.820 with one

00:26:27.220 person who

00:26:27.920 the simplest

00:26:28.700 misgendering

00:26:29.400 can cause

00:26:29.900 him suicidal

00:26:30.640 ideation.

00:26:31.580 Sorry,

00:26:31.900 Stevia,

00:26:32.700 but if

00:26:33.360 you know

00:26:33.900 someone who

00:26:34.700 becomes

00:26:35.160 suicidal

00:26:35.880 due to

00:26:36.920 misgendering,

00:26:38.140 they really

00:26:39.240 need the

00:26:39.680 help of a

00:26:40.440 psychiatrist.

00:26:41.300 Transphobia,

00:26:42.080 when it

00:26:42.480 presents itself

00:26:43.300 here,

00:26:43.780 can cause

00:26:44.480 such a

00:26:44.880 serious

00:26:45.780 impact on

00:26:46.580 people.

00:26:48.040 I've dealt

00:26:48.820 with misgendering

00:26:50.180 in a number

00:26:50.940 of settings

00:26:51.860 and it

00:26:53.660 does not,

00:26:54.320 it really

00:26:54.840 does not

00:26:55.300 feel that

00:26:55.920 great.

00:26:56.800 Now let's

00:26:57.260 move on to

00:26:57.840 another wise

00:26:59.160 man,

00:26:59.560 woman,

00:26:59.860 person.

00:27:00.200 My sexual

00:27:01.380 orientation

00:27:02.060 is lesbian

00:27:03.360 and my

00:27:04.280 gender identity

00:27:05.940 and gender

00:27:06.840 expression is

00:27:07.640 that of a

00:27:08.140 woman.

00:27:08.780 So when you

00:27:09.280 interact with

00:27:10.180 me, it's

00:27:10.880 really important

00:27:11.700 that you

00:27:12.100 understand that

00:27:13.320 my name,

00:27:14.440 even though

00:27:14.880 may not,

00:27:15.960 for trans

00:27:16.600 people,

00:27:17.100 may legally

00:27:18.080 be different

00:27:19.100 than how we

00:27:20.880 live our

00:27:21.340 everyday lives.

00:27:22.500 It's really

00:27:22.980 important that

00:27:23.700 you honour

00:27:24.320 and respect

00:27:24.980 that.

00:27:25.820 it also

00:27:26.780 means that

00:27:27.700 when you

00:27:28.020 take down

00:27:28.640 my sex

00:27:29.460 characteristics,

00:27:30.860 a male

00:27:31.360 and female

00:27:32.120 may not

00:27:32.940 accurately

00:27:33.460 describe who

00:27:34.720 I am

00:27:35.400 living every

00:27:36.340 day.

00:27:37.100 What?

00:27:37.820 So this

00:27:38.600 character,

00:27:39.340 once upon a

00:27:39.940 time,

00:27:40.360 was a

00:27:40.840 man and

00:27:42.000 now he's

00:27:42.520 a woman

00:27:43.000 who happens

00:27:43.800 to be

00:27:44.480 a lesbian,

00:27:46.400 so nothing's

00:27:47.740 changed really.

00:27:48.820 He presumably

00:27:49.780 liked women

00:27:50.540 as a

00:27:50.900 heterosexual

00:27:51.440 man and

00:27:52.560 now he

00:27:52.900 still likes

00:27:53.580 women as

00:27:54.820 a lesbian?

00:27:56.180 Is it just

00:27:56.880 me or

00:27:57.320 things getting

00:27:58.000 really unnecessarily

00:27:59.480 complicated these

00:28:00.520 days?

00:28:01.080 Oh, by the

00:28:01.460 way,

00:28:02.200 Gapka,

00:28:03.240 despite appearances,

00:28:04.560 isn't a

00:28:05.060 straight person

00:28:05.840 camping out

00:28:06.560 at Trinity

00:28:07.120 Bellwoods.

00:28:07.940 He too

00:28:08.680 is an

00:28:09.120 advisor with

00:28:09.980 the Gender

00:28:11.140 Diversity

00:28:11.720 Trans

00:28:12.300 Inclusion

00:28:12.800 Project

00:28:13.240 and he

00:28:14.460 has much

00:28:15.000 to say.

00:28:15.760 When you

00:28:16.060 look at my

00:28:16.620 sexual orientation

00:28:17.680 and gender

00:28:18.360 identity,

00:28:19.460 it may not

00:28:20.080 look on the

00:28:20.700 surface as it

00:28:21.920 is internally

00:28:22.660 on me.

00:28:23.740 It's a

00:28:24.160 much

00:28:24.480 so I'm

00:28:26.340 attracted to

00:28:27.220 women and

00:28:28.060 so that's

00:28:28.460 really important

00:28:29.300 but on

00:28:30.100 gender identity

00:28:30.980 as a trans

00:28:31.820 woman,

00:28:32.640 it's really

00:28:33.040 important that

00:28:33.640 you understand

00:28:34.280 that who

00:28:35.000 I'm attracted

00:28:35.940 to romantically

00:28:37.300 and intimately

00:28:38.180 is different

00:28:39.400 than who I

00:28:40.660 am every

00:28:41.540 day as a

00:28:42.880 woman as

00:28:43.560 Susan Gapka.

00:28:44.660 So there you

00:28:45.220 have it folks,

00:28:45.920 Toronto police

00:28:46.600 officers must be

00:28:47.820 clairvoyants these

00:28:48.900 days,

00:28:49.400 a la the

00:28:49.900 amazing Kreskin

00:28:50.940 because Susan

00:28:52.960 is attracted

00:28:55.060 to women

00:28:55.660 and that's

00:28:56.460 really important

00:28:57.140 but it's

00:28:57.800 really important

00:28:58.460 as a trans

00:28:59.520 woman who

00:29:00.060 I am

00:29:00.560 attracted to

00:29:01.800 romantically

00:29:02.400 and intimately

00:29:03.260 is different

00:29:04.120 than who

00:29:05.520 I'm attracted

00:29:06.520 to every day

00:29:07.240 as a woman

00:29:07.720 or something

00:29:08.240 like that.

00:29:08.800 End quote.

00:29:09.160 So yeah,

00:29:09.920 that makes

00:29:10.580 perfect sense

00:29:11.520 to me as

00:29:12.280 well.

00:29:13.320 Let's proceed

00:29:14.320 with the next

00:29:15.260 lesson kids.

00:29:16.440 So I'm going

00:29:17.100 to briefly

00:29:17.620 explain to you

00:29:18.400 that many

00:29:20.000 people identify

00:29:20.760 in different

00:29:21.400 ways.

00:29:22.560 If you're

00:29:23.100 indigenous you

00:29:23.740 may identify

00:29:24.320 as two-spirited,

00:29:25.400 a rather new

00:29:26.040 term since the

00:29:26.900 90s that was

00:29:28.320 created by

00:29:28.880 Dr.

00:29:29.300 Mayor Laramie

00:29:29.880 to describe

00:29:31.080 those that

00:29:31.640 don't fit into

00:29:32.420 the gender

00:29:32.880 binary that

00:29:34.200 the western

00:29:34.940 learning system

00:29:36.240 goes by.

00:29:37.440 So those

00:29:37.800 boxes of

00:29:38.420 either only

00:29:38.880 being a man

00:29:39.500 or only

00:29:39.840 being a woman

00:29:40.460 and some

00:29:41.860 of us

00:29:42.100 don't fit

00:29:42.500 into that

00:29:42.900 box and

00:29:43.340 we don't

00:29:43.640 relate to

00:29:44.060 that box.

00:29:44.720 We don't

00:29:45.020 see ourselves

00:29:45.760 born necessarily

00:29:46.740 with the

00:29:48.160 same gender

00:29:49.120 identity or

00:29:49.980 genitalia that

00:29:50.860 we were born

00:29:51.480 with.

00:29:52.420 Yeah,

00:29:52.700 that's because

00:29:54.280 maybe,

00:29:55.180 just maybe

00:29:55.960 you're

00:29:56.660 nuts.

00:29:58.440 Oh,

00:29:58.680 and here's

00:29:59.400 something

00:29:59.720 interesting when

00:30:00.660 it comes to

00:30:01.700 Native Affairs.

00:30:03.080 The Trans

00:30:03.840 Training

00:30:04.260 Program notes

00:30:05.220 that,

00:30:05.740 quote,

00:30:06.320 it is important

00:30:07.320 to recognize

00:30:08.220 that two-spirit

00:30:09.500 is only

00:30:10.860 ever a term

00:30:11.880 for indigenous

00:30:12.800 people and

00:30:14.300 that it is

00:30:14.920 not appropriate

00:30:15.960 for non-indigenous

00:30:17.880 people to call

00:30:18.820 themselves two-spirit.

00:30:20.280 End quote.

00:30:21.040 Gracious,

00:30:21.920 that's not very

00:30:23.020 inclusive now,

00:30:23.960 is it?

00:30:24.480 I mean,

00:30:25.000 isn't being

00:30:25.860 trans all about

00:30:26.980 identifying as

00:30:28.240 something you

00:30:29.120 aren't?

00:30:30.240 You know,

00:30:30.840 going through

00:30:31.320 your life as

00:30:32.040 though Halloween

00:30:32.660 is 365 days

00:30:34.720 a year and

00:30:35.620 now you're

00:30:36.140 telling us

00:30:36.820 that if a

00:30:37.660 cowboy identifies

00:30:38.700 as an Indian,

00:30:39.880 this is somehow

00:30:41.220 offside?

00:30:43.200 Oh,

00:30:43.440 again,

00:30:43.840 it's so

00:30:44.440 confusing,

00:30:45.220 isn't it?

00:30:46.740 Let's wrap up

00:30:47.720 things with a

00:30:48.420 short pep talk

00:30:49.480 from Officer

00:30:50.340 Nibling,

00:30:50.860 I mean,

00:30:51.740 Constable

00:30:52.260 Chevalier.

00:30:53.020 In 2020,

00:30:54.520 TPS added a

00:30:55.580 new service

00:30:56.120 standard,

00:30:56.840 1.9.2,

00:30:59.020 Respect for

00:30:59.560 Gender Diverse

00:31:00.320 and Trans

00:31:00.980 People.

00:31:01.940 This service

00:31:02.560 standard ensures

00:31:03.400 that TPS

00:31:04.100 practices are

00:31:05.120 consistent and

00:31:06.060 compliant with

00:31:07.280 the protections

00:31:07.840 of the Ontario

00:31:08.660 Human Rights

00:31:09.300 Code.

00:31:10.220 Everything else

00:31:10.960 in this training

00:31:11.560 is about how

00:31:12.240 we operationalize

00:31:13.280 this service

00:31:13.800 standard,

00:31:14.480 the words,

00:31:15.560 actions,

00:31:16.280 and attitudes

00:31:16.780 that ensure

00:31:17.380 we are truly

00:31:17.960 serving and

00:31:18.700 protecting trans

00:31:19.640 and gender

00:31:20.340 diverse people

00:31:21.080 and communities.

00:31:22.020 And that's the

00:31:22.980 thing,

00:31:23.320 isn't it?

00:31:23.920 The cops

00:31:24.420 across Canada

00:31:25.180 have either

00:31:26.060 been indoctrinated

00:31:27.500 or they fear

00:31:29.380 that their ass

00:31:30.260 is grass

00:31:30.900 if they don't

00:31:31.780 act in a

00:31:32.520 trans-friendly

00:31:33.580 manner,

00:31:34.880 so much so

00:31:35.760 that blatant

00:31:36.580 crimes are

00:31:37.740 being committed

00:31:38.300 by trans

00:31:39.000 people and

00:31:40.240 those trans

00:31:41.020 people are

00:31:41.540 going unpunished.

00:31:43.060 You want

00:31:43.380 proof?

00:31:44.340 Consider what

00:31:44.960 happened to

00:31:45.740 peaceful

00:31:46.180 protester

00:31:46.860 Billboard

00:31:47.260 Chris in

00:31:47.860 Vancouver

00:31:48.360 just last

00:31:48.980 month.

00:31:49.860 My colleague

00:31:50.480 Drea Humphrey

00:31:51.320 has the story.

00:31:52.540 A Vancouver

00:31:53.020 police officer

00:31:53.860 named Frederique

00:31:54.880 Buckman must

00:31:56.040 be fired.

00:31:57.420 Buckman appeared

00:31:58.000 to be filled

00:31:58.680 with glee

00:31:59.380 while child

00:32:00.160 protection activist

00:32:01.280 Chris Elston,

00:32:02.380 also known as

00:32:02.980 Billboard Chris,

00:32:04.020 was mobbed by

00:32:04.960 rabid trans

00:32:05.960 activists on

00:32:06.820 Friday.

00:32:07.280 people.

00:32:07.820 I'm getting

00:32:08.180 painted on

00:32:08.740 what the hell

00:32:09.060 you think

00:32:09.360 you're doing?

00:32:10.620 What the hell

00:32:11.220 are you doing?

00:32:12.320 Excuse me,

00:32:12.940 did you just

00:32:13.440 say he came

00:32:14.160 here to

00:32:14.600 incite violence

00:32:15.340 by forcing

00:32:16.060 his opinion

00:32:16.580 on people?

00:32:17.400 Yes.

00:32:18.380 You think

00:32:18.820 he came

00:32:19.120 here to

00:32:19.380 incite

00:32:19.740 violence

00:32:20.140 because

00:32:20.460 they got

00:32:20.920 offended

00:32:21.320 by his

00:32:21.780 sign?

00:32:23.660 What is wrong

00:32:25.000 with you?

00:32:25.420 He didn't scream

00:32:27.660 at all.

00:32:28.440 Yes,

00:32:28.640 he did.

00:32:29.180 They put

00:32:29.480 their face

00:32:29.920 in his face.

00:32:30.660 What is wrong

00:32:31.300 with you?

00:32:31.720 So when

00:32:40.200 are we

00:32:40.400 going to

00:32:40.600 go find

00:32:41.060 this person

00:32:41.580 who assaulted

00:32:42.060 me?

00:32:42.920 And what

00:32:43.200 would you

00:32:43.460 like me

00:32:43.920 to do

00:32:44.240 with them?

00:32:44.840 Charge

00:32:45.280 them with

00:32:45.520 assault?

00:32:45.900 Charge

00:32:46.340 them with

00:32:46.680 assault?

00:32:47.260 Arrest

00:32:47.580 them?

00:32:48.800 Like a

00:32:49.480 police officer

00:32:50.040 is supposed

00:32:50.560 to do?

00:32:51.440 You know,

00:32:51.960 maybe we

00:32:53.280 all jumped

00:32:54.000 to conclusions

00:32:54.840 by labeling

00:32:56.020 Frederick Buckman

00:32:57.660 a liar and

00:32:59.100 incompetent due

00:33:00.280 to her own

00:33:00.960 inept actions

00:33:01.800 by refusing

00:33:02.540 to charge

00:33:03.640 those violent

00:33:04.520 transgendered

00:33:05.640 thugs?

00:33:06.600 Because just

00:33:07.220 maybe the

00:33:08.060 Vancouver Police

00:33:08.980 Service,

00:33:09.540 much like the

00:33:10.200 Toronto Police,

00:33:11.280 well,

00:33:11.560 they also have

00:33:12.520 mandatory

00:33:13.260 transgender training.

00:33:15.360 So when

00:33:15.800 Buckman refused

00:33:16.940 to press charges

00:33:17.940 against that

00:33:19.000 violent transgendered

00:33:20.660 mental case,

00:33:21.380 and when she

00:33:21.980 instead

00:33:22.720 re-victimized

00:33:24.280 the victim

00:33:24.860 by claiming

00:33:25.900 that Billboard

00:33:26.700 Chris was

00:33:28.000 the author

00:33:28.620 of his own

00:33:29.560 misfortune by

00:33:30.520 triggering

00:33:31.440 the mob,

00:33:33.200 this was not

00:33:33.960 a matter of

00:33:34.660 Buckman failing

00:33:35.760 to carry out

00:33:36.640 her sworn

00:33:37.240 duties.

00:33:38.380 Rather,

00:33:38.900 in our

00:33:39.220 not-so-brave

00:33:40.180 new world,

00:33:41.000 Buckman was

00:33:41.720 setting a

00:33:42.220 jolly good

00:33:42.640 example when

00:33:43.460 it comes to

00:33:44.080 modern-day

00:33:44.660 progressive

00:33:45.200 policing.

00:33:46.300 In our

00:33:47.020 upside-down

00:33:47.920 cloud world

00:33:49.020 where

00:33:49.420 trans-sanity

00:33:50.800 rules supreme,

00:33:52.480 even when it

00:33:53.080 comes to

00:33:53.540 law enforcement,

00:33:55.040 policing

00:33:55.420 slogans such

00:33:56.380 as to

00:33:56.840 serve and

00:33:57.240 protect and

00:33:58.000 deed speak,

00:33:58.960 well,

00:33:59.760 they've gone

00:34:00.180 by the

00:34:00.540 wayside,

00:34:01.540 at least

00:34:01.900 when it

00:34:02.200 comes to

00:34:02.840 one small,

00:34:04.040 unhinged,

00:34:04.800 easily-triggered

00:34:05.660 demographic.

00:34:07.100 No,

00:34:07.480 the whiz-bang

00:34:07.980 model for

00:34:08.760 modern policing

00:34:09.560 today boils

00:34:10.400 down to,

00:34:11.340 again,

00:34:12.300 if it's

00:34:12.820 trans,

00:34:13.480 it's good,

00:34:14.520 and if it's

00:34:15.140 good,

00:34:15.640 it's trans.

00:34:17.140 Oh,

00:34:17.740 and if you,

00:34:18.960 and when I

00:34:19.360 say you,

00:34:20.200 I mean

00:34:20.940 normal,

00:34:22.060 law-abiding

00:34:22.920 citizens,

00:34:23.880 if you

00:34:24.760 happen to have

00:34:25.780 a problem

00:34:26.600 with that

00:34:27.460 slogan and

00:34:28.740 its inherent

00:34:29.320 double standard,

00:34:31.160 you'd best

00:34:32.000 keep your

00:34:32.760 mouth shut

00:34:33.880 because you

00:34:35.220 might just

00:34:35.880 be charged

00:34:36.440 with a hate

00:34:36.980 crime given

00:34:38.000 that the

00:34:38.600 police are

00:34:39.780 now being

00:34:40.360 told to

00:34:41.380 morph into

00:34:42.320 Orwellian

00:34:43.160 thought police.

00:34:45.020 So don't be

00:34:46.100 too harsh on

00:34:47.380 Officer Buckman

00:34:48.280 and her ilk

00:34:49.140 because,

00:34:50.580 well,

00:34:50.840 how shall I

00:34:51.340 put it,

00:34:52.240 these days,

00:34:53.300 they're just

00:34:54.280 following orders.

00:34:55.780 Well,

00:35:06.900 you heard me

00:35:07.240 the other

00:35:07.560 day.

00:35:07.900 I believe

00:35:08.400 that Justin

00:35:08.860 Trudeau has

00:35:09.520 four bills

00:35:11.120 or proposed

00:35:11.820 bills in a

00:35:12.620 row,

00:35:12.940 like dominoes,

00:35:14.220 that once

00:35:15.240 they all fall

00:35:15.980 will put

00:35:16.460 Canada's

00:35:16.940 internet under

00:35:17.620 his control.

00:35:18.200 The first

00:35:18.520 is C-11,

00:35:19.580 which in

00:35:20.360 many ways

00:35:20.800 is the

00:35:21.060 most important.

00:35:21.840 It basically

00:35:22.540 puts the

00:35:23.660 internet under

00:35:24.380 the control

00:35:24.880 of the

00:35:25.180 CRT skis,

00:35:26.100 something that

00:35:26.460 only radio

00:35:27.160 and TV

00:35:27.580 was before.

00:35:29.600 And of

00:35:30.200 course,

00:35:30.400 it allows

00:35:30.720 the government

00:35:31.080 to adjust

00:35:31.880 things like

00:35:32.520 the algorithm

00:35:33.180 to make it

00:35:33.760 easy to hide

00:35:34.460 or find

00:35:36.160 things according

00:35:36.980 to the

00:35:37.240 government's

00:35:37.600 own qualifications

00:35:38.960 and algorithms.

00:35:39.860 The second

00:35:40.420 bill is

00:35:41.880 called C-18,

00:35:43.100 the Online

00:35:43.580 News Act,

00:35:44.360 if I'm

00:35:44.700 remembering the

00:35:45.340 name correctly.

00:35:45.860 it basically

00:35:47.580 takes the

00:35:48.280 big tech

00:35:48.880 companies,

00:35:49.520 Facebook,

00:35:50.300 Google,

00:35:50.640 YouTube,

00:35:50.960 and extracts

00:35:53.020 hundreds of

00:35:53.900 millions of

00:35:54.480 dollars from

00:35:55.120 them,

00:35:55.900 and then it

00:35:56.480 apportions that

00:35:57.520 money to

00:35:58.660 journalists in

00:35:59.500 Canada based

00:36:00.220 on Trudeau's

00:36:01.680 own qualifications.

00:36:03.240 There's something

00:36:03.540 as you know

00:36:03.880 called the

00:36:04.260 QCJO,

00:36:05.580 the Qualified

00:36:06.240 Canadian

00:36:06.680 Journalism

00:36:07.300 Organization

00:36:07.880 News License.

00:36:09.340 If you have

00:36:10.320 that license,

00:36:10.940 you'll get some

00:36:11.600 of that sweet,

00:36:12.240 sweet big tech

00:36:13.000 dough.

00:36:13.420 If not,

00:36:14.420 you won't.

00:36:15.340 The other

00:36:15.580 bills are

00:36:16.460 Bill C-36,

00:36:17.480 which brings

00:36:17.800 back the

00:36:18.320 Hate Speech

00:36:19.260 Star Chamber

00:36:20.040 and the yet

00:36:20.720 unnumbered

00:36:22.160 Online Harms Act

00:36:23.380 that talks about

00:36:24.120 the Digital

00:36:25.480 Safety Commissioner

00:36:26.520 who has the

00:36:27.140 power to

00:36:27.640 literally shut

00:36:28.520 down or

00:36:29.400 block websites.

00:36:31.140 It's terrifying.

00:36:32.960 At least that's

00:36:33.540 my view as an

00:36:34.560 outsider,

00:36:35.260 and by an

00:36:35.600 outsider I mean

00:36:36.280 someone who I

00:36:37.320 feel is going

00:36:38.000 to be regulated.

00:36:39.340 When I think

00:36:39.900 of someone the

00:36:40.420 government wants

00:36:40.900 to de-boost in

00:36:41.920 the search

00:36:42.280 algorithms,

00:36:42.820 I think of

00:36:43.120 Rebel News.

00:36:44.080 When I think

00:36:44.500 of someone the

00:36:44.940 government wants

00:36:45.320 to censor,

00:36:45.920 I think of

00:36:46.220 Rebel News.

00:36:46.680 But that's

00:36:47.060 me as a

00:36:48.320 journalist.

00:36:48.900 What might

00:36:49.540 it look like

00:36:50.500 from inside

00:36:51.720 the bureaucracy

00:36:52.420 from someone

00:36:54.180 who has the

00:36:55.500 levers of

00:36:56.320 power within

00:36:57.160 the CRTC

00:36:58.240 regulator?

00:36:59.840 Well, today

00:37:00.360 we're lucky to

00:37:01.040 have as a

00:37:01.560 guest on the

00:37:02.040 show Peter

00:37:02.500 Menzies,

00:37:03.020 who once was

00:37:03.980 a CRTC

00:37:05.680 commissioner,

00:37:06.860 appointed to

00:37:07.360 that post by

00:37:08.120 Stephen Harper,

00:37:09.260 the conservative

00:37:09.920 prime minister,

00:37:10.600 and he has

00:37:11.960 a new article

00:37:12.640 in C2C

00:37:13.760 Journal,

00:37:14.840 the headline

00:37:15.440 of which is

00:37:15.920 Extortion,

00:37:17.080 Dependency,

00:37:17.740 and Media

00:37:18.040 Welfare,

00:37:18.520 the Liberals

00:37:19.120 B Bill

00:37:19.940 C-18.

00:37:21.720 He joins

00:37:22.140 us now

00:37:22.560 via Skype.

00:37:23.620 Peter, it's

00:37:23.960 great to see

00:37:24.640 you again.

00:37:25.040 Thank you so

00:37:25.520 much for

00:37:25.820 taking the

00:37:26.320 time.

00:37:28.020 I'm worried

00:37:28.740 about all

00:37:29.260 these bills

00:37:29.680 and I look

00:37:30.120 at them

00:37:30.360 together because

00:37:31.080 I think that

00:37:31.680 if all four

00:37:33.120 of these things

00:37:33.620 pass, we're

00:37:34.140 going to lose

00:37:34.480 a lot of

00:37:34.840 our freedom

00:37:35.260 in Canada.

00:37:35.800 Am I

00:37:36.420 being

00:37:36.640 alarmist?

00:37:39.480 No, you're

00:37:40.220 not.

00:37:41.000 I mean, it's

00:37:42.100 easy to say

00:37:42.840 these people

00:37:44.860 like myself

00:37:45.880 who've criticized

00:37:46.540 the bill

00:37:47.080 occasionally get

00:37:48.000 accused of

00:37:49.000 being that.

00:37:50.140 But I think

00:37:50.560 we have to

00:37:51.040 remember that

00:37:51.560 Canadians are

00:37:52.140 no different

00:37:52.700 than other

00:37:53.660 human beings

00:37:54.320 throughout history

00:37:55.020 and around the

00:37:55.640 world and we

00:37:56.200 can make the

00:37:56.780 same mistakes

00:37:57.420 they did.

00:37:58.780 And these

00:37:59.200 bills, as you

00:38:00.300 accurately describe

00:38:01.460 them, will

00:38:02.600 reduce our

00:38:03.540 level of

00:38:04.740 freedom.

00:38:05.000 We can have

00:38:05.880 a debate

00:38:06.340 about whether

00:38:07.040 that's

00:38:07.500 acceptable or

00:38:08.300 not, but

00:38:09.640 there's no

00:38:10.240 question that

00:38:11.280 our amount

00:38:12.300 of online

00:38:12.780 freedom is

00:38:13.380 going to be

00:38:13.820 restricted.

00:38:15.120 You will

00:38:15.580 be, because

00:38:16.720 you produce

00:38:17.460 audio and

00:38:18.040 visual content

00:38:18.960 online, you

00:38:20.140 are now, as

00:38:21.340 soon as

00:38:21.620 Bill C-11

00:38:22.260 passes, you

00:38:23.000 will be

00:38:23.320 subject to

00:38:24.500 regulation of

00:38:25.880 the CRTC.

00:38:27.540 And the

00:38:28.060 CRTC has

00:38:30.320 a history of

00:38:32.540 overseeing

00:38:34.700 the

00:38:35.740 broadcasting

00:38:36.760 world, which

00:38:37.460 you're now

00:38:37.840 going to be

00:38:38.460 part of, to

00:38:39.520 make sure it

00:38:40.120 is of good

00:38:40.860 standard.

00:38:42.140 As they say,

00:38:42.980 the ministers

00:38:45.400 of heritage

00:38:46.160 protested for

00:38:47.080 two years that

00:38:47.880 the CRTC

00:38:48.640 doesn't censor

00:38:50.120 content, and

00:38:50.840 then we saw

00:38:51.440 the Radio

00:38:52.240 Canada decision

00:38:54.820 last summer

00:38:55.480 where the

00:38:55.900 CRTC the

00:38:56.720 entire time

00:38:57.480 had been

00:38:57.940 holding off

00:38:59.000 on publishing

00:38:59.560 a decision

00:39:00.180 that censored

00:39:00.900 content.

00:39:02.340 So it's a

00:39:03.560 really important

00:39:05.800 time for people

00:39:06.580 to pay attention

00:39:07.320 on this, because

00:39:09.180 usually you

00:39:10.940 don't actually

00:39:11.620 see these

00:39:12.460 things happen.

00:39:13.220 You never

00:39:13.560 see what's

00:39:14.140 not there.

00:39:15.560 And that'll

00:39:16.340 be the tricky

00:39:16.840 part with this.

00:39:18.520 You know, I

00:39:19.420 read your

00:39:20.020 article in

00:39:20.540 C2C Journal,

00:39:21.580 and you speak

00:39:22.400 as a former

00:39:22.840 newspaper man

00:39:23.560 that how

00:39:24.380 newspapers have

00:39:25.580 been gutted,

00:39:26.120 they've laid

00:39:26.560 off so many

00:39:27.240 staff, how

00:39:28.260 some of the

00:39:28.740 big chains

00:39:29.160 are even

00:39:29.440 foreign-owned.

00:39:30.320 I mean, Post

00:39:30.800 Media is

00:39:31.860 actually, the

00:39:33.260 bulk of it is

00:39:34.580 owned by a

00:39:35.880 New Jersey-based

00:39:36.500 hedge fund.

00:39:37.660 And so much

00:39:39.040 of the attention

00:39:39.680 and energy of

00:39:41.480 the leaders of

00:39:42.020 the industry are

00:39:42.520 now just

00:39:42.900 maximizing

00:39:43.980 commercial

00:39:44.700 extractions from

00:39:46.500 the government.

00:39:47.080 They can no

00:39:47.420 longer rely on

00:39:48.360 what was once

00:39:49.540 called the

00:39:49.920 golden river of

00:39:51.340 classified ads.

00:39:52.860 Since they

00:39:53.540 can't make

00:39:54.440 money the

00:39:54.860 old-fashioned

00:39:55.420 way, and it's

00:39:56.580 hard to make

00:39:57.180 money competing

00:39:58.040 against Facebook

00:39:58.860 and Google, it

00:40:00.920 looks like the

00:40:01.760 entire Canadian

00:40:02.700 industry leadership

00:40:04.500 is focused on

00:40:05.460 getting money

00:40:07.020 either from big

00:40:07.740 government or

00:40:09.000 now under C18

00:40:10.140 from big tech.

00:40:12.800 I think that

00:40:13.620 it's turned once

00:40:15.140 proud, once

00:40:15.940 defiant, once

00:40:16.780 independent newsmen

00:40:17.960 into beggars who

00:40:21.480 are willing to

00:40:22.200 turn a blind eye

00:40:23.620 to censorship if

00:40:24.420 it means to get

00:40:24.980 free cash.

00:40:25.680 I really think

00:40:26.580 that's happening.

00:40:27.940 You're in an

00:40:28.520 interesting position.

00:40:29.360 You were a

00:40:29.800 newspaper man, and

00:40:31.440 then you were

00:40:32.040 our CRTC

00:40:32.900 commissioner.

00:40:34.060 I think that

00:40:35.000 the growling

00:40:36.060 lions who used

00:40:37.000 to fiercely

00:40:37.580 defend press

00:40:38.320 freedom in this

00:40:38.820 company, they've

00:40:39.600 all been trained

00:40:40.260 pussycats now.

00:40:43.300 Yeah, well,

00:40:44.000 you know, like

00:40:44.540 going back to

00:40:45.920 the Kent

00:40:46.300 Commission, people

00:40:47.100 just fought like

00:40:48.020 dogs to keep

00:40:49.280 the government out

00:40:49.960 of the media

00:40:50.400 business.

00:40:51.000 The government

00:40:51.660 had no business

00:40:52.540 being involved

00:40:53.160 in that, and

00:40:54.440 that was an

00:40:55.380 absolute hill to

00:40:56.140 die on for

00:40:56.700 newspaper publishers

00:40:57.580 and editors and

00:40:58.620 generally throughout

00:40:59.960 the newsrooms and

00:41:01.020 elsewhere.

00:41:02.400 The very meaning

00:41:03.720 of a free press

00:41:04.660 was that you

00:41:05.940 were only

00:41:06.420 answerable to

00:41:07.120 your readers.

00:41:08.420 Now, in terms

00:41:09.180 of people trying

00:41:10.300 to transition,

00:41:11.880 there are some

00:41:13.060 newspapers that

00:41:14.420 are finding some

00:41:15.700 success, and not

00:41:16.520 just newspapers,

00:41:17.440 but online news

00:41:18.440 operators that are

00:41:19.380 finding some success

00:41:20.360 by working

00:41:22.140 through donations

00:41:22.940 or working

00:41:23.720 through subscriptions.

00:41:25.360 In that method,

00:41:26.580 the Globe and

00:41:27.320 Mail these days

00:41:28.000 claims, I think,

00:41:29.060 about 230,000,

00:41:30.440 240,000 digital

00:41:32.660 subscriptions, plus

00:41:33.720 about 50,000 or

00:41:34.400 60,000 others, so

00:41:35.740 about 300,000

00:41:36.760 totals.

00:41:37.800 The Wall Street

00:41:38.360 Journal apparently

00:41:39.560 does fine.

00:41:40.400 It seems to make

00:41:40.940 money.

00:41:41.360 The Times of

00:41:41.980 London, the Daily

00:41:42.940 Telegraph of

00:41:43.720 London, Daily

00:41:44.780 Telegraph, I think,

00:41:45.720 showed 19 million

00:41:46.740 pounds profit last

00:41:47.860 year.

00:41:48.680 There are ways you

00:41:49.900 can do it, but

00:41:50.640 you've got to be

00:41:51.140 able to produce

00:41:51.740 good content.

00:41:53.520 I mean, you

00:41:54.640 have to have

00:41:55.140 something to

00:41:55.700 sell if you

00:41:56.220 want to find

00:41:56.640 somebody, you

00:41:57.680 know, if you

00:41:59.140 want to sell

00:41:59.660 it.

00:42:00.100 And after years

00:42:01.300 of getting your

00:42:01.940 newsrooms, which

00:42:02.800 is the post-media

00:42:03.780 dilemma, and they

00:42:05.080 own about 90% of

00:42:06.400 the dailies and

00:42:07.020 weeklies left in

00:42:07.800 the country right

00:42:08.460 now, it's

00:42:10.900 questionable

00:42:11.420 whether they

00:42:12.220 have, and

00:42:13.380 this is, you

00:42:14.020 know, I don't

00:42:15.640 want anybody to

00:42:16.760 take this as a

00:42:17.540 personal slight

00:42:18.340 within the

00:42:18.840 industry, because

00:42:19.500 there's some

00:42:19.860 good people

00:42:20.940 inside there

00:42:22.020 at a lot of

00:42:22.720 the papers, but

00:42:23.860 there isn't

00:42:24.740 enough to

00:42:26.360 justify people

00:42:27.840 spending a

00:42:28.480 dollar a day on

00:42:29.240 a subscription to

00:42:30.000 those papers,

00:42:30.740 otherwise they'd

00:42:31.460 be doing it.

00:42:32.580 So they go for

00:42:34.600 the web giant

00:42:36.560 loot, right?

00:42:37.560 Which is like, and

00:42:38.540 then as soon as

00:42:39.280 that opened up, the

00:42:40.860 broadcasters heard

00:42:41.800 the dinner bell

00:42:42.460 ringing, and they

00:42:43.180 bellied up to the

00:42:43.960 bar, and now with

00:42:45.240 C18, according to

00:42:46.440 the parliamentary

00:42:46.900 budget officer, the

00:42:48.560 biggest beneficiaries

00:42:49.500 won't be these

00:42:50.600 starving-to-death

00:42:51.440 newspapers, they're

00:42:52.840 going to be, number

00:42:53.520 one, the CBC, and

00:42:56.260 number two, Bill

00:42:57.800 Media, neither of

00:42:59.540 which, last I

00:43:00.360 checked, were nearing

00:43:02.060 death's door.

00:43:03.280 Yeah.

00:43:03.880 You know, C11 is

00:43:05.760 about regulating and

00:43:07.640 controlling the

00:43:08.320 internet.

00:43:08.820 I think C18 is about

00:43:10.180 funding the internet,

00:43:12.760 but only those parts

00:43:13.800 of it that meet

00:43:14.280 Trudeau's approval, as

00:43:15.100 I mentioned, you

00:43:15.600 need that QCJO

00:43:16.960 news license, or

00:43:17.740 you don't get any

00:43:18.340 of it.

00:43:19.920 It's such a strange

00:43:20.920 thing, I mean, the

00:43:21.440 whole idea of the

00:43:23.580 internet, and you can

00:43:24.320 see it right there in

00:43:25.140 the name, is it's a

00:43:26.620 network, you click

00:43:27.380 from site to site and

00:43:28.400 place to place, and

00:43:29.140 sometimes you never

00:43:30.020 know where you're

00:43:30.640 going, but it's just

00:43:31.880 this amazing network,

00:43:33.640 and there's no boss

00:43:34.540 of it, and

00:43:35.420 everything's based on

00:43:36.260 sharing and linking.

00:43:37.180 That's obvious how it

00:43:38.360 works.

00:43:39.240 But C18 will require

00:43:42.920 Facebook or Google

00:43:44.060 to pay people in

00:43:46.760 the news business

00:43:47.500 for the pleasure of

00:43:48.880 linking to them.

00:43:50.260 And I can tell you

00:43:51.140 at Rebel News, when

00:43:51.980 we get a story that

00:43:53.800 is shared widely on

00:43:55.020 Facebook, we love it

00:43:57.240 because that means all

00:43:58.620 sorts of people are

00:43:59.700 clicking through to

00:44:01.500 our website that might

00:44:02.520 not have found us

00:44:03.180 before.

00:44:03.560 In fact, people with

00:44:05.900 more money would

00:44:06.460 actually buy ads on

00:44:07.560 Facebook to make that

00:44:08.420 happen more often.

00:44:09.840 I find it so weird

00:44:11.360 that C18 would

00:44:13.500 require these big

00:44:14.780 tech companies to

00:44:15.720 pay newsrooms for

00:44:18.840 the pleasure of

00:44:19.520 linking to them.

00:44:21.520 Aren't those same

00:44:22.380 newsrooms paying to

00:44:23.800 get those links?

00:44:24.780 It feels like it's

00:44:25.740 being flipped on its

00:44:26.420 head.

00:44:26.620 It makes no sense.

00:44:27.360 It feels like it's

00:44:27.800 being designed by

00:44:28.440 someone who's never

00:44:29.440 used the internet

00:44:30.000 before.

00:44:32.180 Yeah, it's

00:44:33.160 illogical.

00:44:34.200 The rationale behind

00:44:35.560 it, I mean, the

00:44:36.240 newspapers have

00:44:37.100 stated repeatedly

00:44:40.320 that Google is

00:44:41.860 stealing our

00:44:42.540 content.

00:44:43.080 They're making

00:44:43.460 money at our

00:44:44.140 expense.

00:44:44.800 Facebook is

00:44:45.580 stealing our

00:44:46.180 content.

00:44:47.080 Well, there's no

00:44:47.500 stealing going on.

00:44:48.680 If there was, they'd

00:44:49.560 have proven it by

00:44:50.320 now and called the

00:44:51.080 cops, right?

00:44:52.240 Or at least filed

00:44:53.840 some sort of claim

00:44:54.600 for copyright

00:44:55.200 violation.

00:44:56.520 But they get the

00:44:57.420 post, as you

00:44:58.120 described, for free.

00:44:59.960 Facebook has

00:45:00.560 developed a

00:45:01.160 platform which has

00:45:02.120 access to millions

00:45:03.300 and billions of

00:45:04.200 eyeballs, which you

00:45:05.440 can get access to

00:45:06.560 for free.

00:45:07.280 And you can post

00:45:08.020 your stuff on

00:45:08.800 there and people

00:45:10.240 can link to it

00:45:10.960 and they go to

00:45:11.480 your website and

00:45:12.420 they enjoy

00:45:12.920 themselves or they

00:45:13.600 don't.

00:45:15.100 Either way, you

00:45:15.960 get activity and

00:45:16.980 you get distribution

00:45:18.000 of a media product

00:45:19.240 for free.

00:45:20.700 And those of us

00:45:22.060 who go back long

00:45:22.920 enough can remember

00:45:23.720 when the cost of

00:45:25.300 distributing a news

00:45:27.000 product was

00:45:27.960 considerable, whether

00:45:29.560 it was via

00:45:30.680 broadcasting, which is

00:45:32.060 expensive, but also

00:45:33.060 via trucks and

00:45:34.560 newspaper boxes and

00:45:35.800 corner stores and

00:45:36.880 newspaper boys and

00:45:39.020 girls and delivery

00:45:39.920 and carriers of

00:45:40.900 all kinds, that

00:45:42.460 was an awful lot

00:45:43.100 of money that was

00:45:43.780 spent on those

00:45:44.760 things.

00:45:45.100 Now it's actually

00:45:46.220 free almost to

00:45:47.840 distribute a

00:45:48.400 newspaper.

00:45:50.480 But at the same

00:45:52.260 time, they want

00:45:53.580 the guy who's

00:45:54.340 giving them a free

00:45:55.340 service to give

00:45:57.660 them money because

00:45:59.220 they're giving them

00:45:59.900 a free service.

00:46:01.060 That's how crazy

00:46:02.280 that is.

00:46:03.000 Yeah, it makes

00:46:03.740 no sense to me.

00:46:05.100 And it's a

00:46:06.280 shakedown.

00:46:07.120 If everyone had

00:46:08.260 to do that, no

00:46:08.920 one would link to

00:46:09.680 anyone on the

00:46:10.300 Internet.

00:46:10.920 It's just, it's

00:46:11.560 crazy.

00:46:12.020 But I see why

00:46:12.940 they're doing it

00:46:13.480 because, first of

00:46:14.340 all, everyone hates

00:46:15.120 big tech for a

00:46:16.860 variety of reasons.

00:46:17.660 Either you've come

00:46:18.820 to loathe Mark

00:46:20.220 Zuckerberg personally

00:46:21.300 or, you know, some

00:46:22.560 people hate Elon Musk.

00:46:23.880 So it's, you know,

00:46:24.820 these oligarchs, these

00:46:26.100 titans, these

00:46:26.860 billionaires, you know,

00:46:28.300 over time I think

00:46:29.180 they build up an

00:46:29.780 enemies list.

00:46:30.860 People are, you

00:46:31.800 know, wary of their

00:46:32.660 privacy violations and

00:46:34.240 things like that.

00:46:34.960 But there's just

00:46:35.760 some jealousy there.

00:46:37.380 But they've got the

00:46:38.160 deep pocket.

00:46:38.760 So I think this is

00:46:39.440 Trudeau's way of

00:46:40.160 saying, all right,

00:46:41.180 I'm going to grab

00:46:42.880 money from these

00:46:43.840 billionaires.

00:46:44.820 No one likes

00:46:45.360 billionaires, especially

00:46:46.100 American billionaires.

00:46:47.760 Trudeau was ranting

00:46:48.400 about American

00:46:48.900 billionaires today.

00:46:50.080 And I'm going to

00:46:50.920 shower this money on

00:46:52.260 journalists, but only

00:46:53.340 the journalists I

00:46:54.340 approve.

00:46:55.400 That's what gets me,

00:46:56.580 Peter, is we applied

00:46:58.040 for the QCJO news

00:46:59.500 license just to see if

00:47:00.440 we could get it,

00:47:00.920 just to see what

00:47:01.340 the process was

00:47:02.020 like.

00:47:02.720 And they turned us

00:47:03.560 down.

00:47:03.920 They said that 99%

00:47:06.400 of what we do is not

00:47:07.660 news.

00:47:07.980 And I'm not asking

00:47:08.580 you to weigh in on

00:47:09.160 that.

00:47:09.340 I'm just showing you

00:47:10.100 that this is all

00:47:12.020 about money going

00:47:13.320 from Facebook and

00:47:14.160 Google only to

00:47:15.920 Trudeau's choice of

00:47:17.300 people.

00:47:17.700 And you mentioned

00:47:18.260 that, you know,

00:47:18.960 CBC and others will

00:47:19.860 be the chief

00:47:20.320 beneficiaries.

00:47:21.520 I wonder if this

00:47:22.920 will trigger an

00:47:23.680 international free

00:47:25.940 trade complaint,

00:47:27.160 because it sounds

00:47:28.300 to me like

00:47:29.620 Justin Trudeau

00:47:30.440 in Ottawa is

00:47:31.220 trying to make

00:47:31.760 a bank raid

00:47:33.320 on some Silicon

00:47:34.580 Valley giants.

00:47:35.500 I can't imagine

00:47:36.400 that this will

00:47:37.720 be accepted by

00:47:39.880 the U.S.

00:47:40.380 trade representative

00:47:41.060 who is ferociously

00:47:42.600 loyal to his own

00:47:43.380 country's companies.

00:47:45.360 Yeah, the issue

00:47:45.900 has been raised

00:47:46.540 in the U.S.

00:47:48.120 Congress by

00:47:49.500 some of their

00:47:50.160 politicians there

00:47:51.120 following lobby

00:47:52.120 by, you know,

00:47:53.100 the Silicon

00:47:53.560 Valley companies.

00:47:55.320 You know, and

00:47:55.880 just on that,

00:47:56.940 you know, it

00:47:57.580 seems weird to

00:47:58.560 be defending

00:47:59.200 the, you

00:47:59.880 know, the big

00:48:00.280 tech, the

00:48:00.820 Google guys,

00:48:01.540 because there's

00:48:02.580 lots of things

00:48:03.320 governments should

00:48:04.140 be doing to

00:48:05.380 regulate online,

00:48:07.880 you know, like

00:48:08.360 trying to make

00:48:09.020 sure that somebody

00:48:09.660 running a social

00:48:10.360 media platform

00:48:13.020 isn't essentially

00:48:14.000 a bond villain,

00:48:15.560 you know, trying

00:48:16.420 to manipulate the

00:48:17.380 world, shape the

00:48:18.500 world as he

00:48:19.220 wishes and that

00:48:19.880 sort of stuff.

00:48:20.680 But this is not

00:48:21.740 one of them.

00:48:22.700 And you're right

00:48:23.600 that there will

00:48:24.200 probably, it will

00:48:24.980 probably in all

00:48:26.080 likelihood lead to

00:48:26.920 a complaint under

00:48:28.420 the Canada-U.S.-Mexico

00:48:30.420 trade agreement

00:48:31.240 because of the

00:48:33.380 treatment of the

00:48:34.860 American firms

00:48:36.160 by Canada.

00:48:37.660 And in terms of

00:48:38.540 the picking and

00:48:39.420 choosing, you

00:48:40.720 know, if there's a

00:48:42.200 market argument to

00:48:43.160 make that, and

00:48:44.880 deals can be made

00:48:46.680 with Google News

00:48:48.000 or Apple News

00:48:48.860 or other news

00:48:49.600 or other

00:48:50.720 platforms, and

00:48:51.820 Google and

00:48:52.440 Facebook already

00:48:53.660 have commercial

00:48:55.240 arrangements with a

00:48:56.200 lot of companies.

00:48:56.880 They don't with

00:48:57.580 some of the

00:48:57.980 smaller ones, they

00:48:58.800 don't with some

00:48:59.840 of the newer

00:49:00.360 ones, but I

00:49:01.800 expect that if

00:49:02.500 you let nature

00:49:04.000 follow its

00:49:04.620 economic course,

00:49:06.340 eventually you'd

00:49:07.500 see some of that

00:49:08.280 because where they

00:49:09.200 can, you know,

00:49:10.800 see a mutually

00:49:11.660 profitable

00:49:12.380 arrangement, people

00:49:14.280 will make those.

00:49:15.300 But the

00:49:15.640 government, as you

00:49:16.940 say, is picking

00:49:17.640 winners and losers

00:49:18.680 rather than the

00:49:19.760 market picking

00:49:20.540 winners and losers.

00:49:21.400 entrepreneurs, so

00:49:22.500 you end up with

00:49:23.200 a media industry

00:49:24.220 that is dependent

00:49:25.500 on two things, the

00:49:27.260 good graces of big

00:49:28.280 government and the

00:49:29.680 money from big

00:49:30.900 tech.

00:49:31.640 Those are the two

00:49:32.880 most imposing

00:49:34.060 entities in people's

00:49:37.180 lives today.

00:49:38.160 The thing, who do

00:49:39.280 you fear the most

00:49:40.260 will take away your

00:49:41.180 freedom and squash you

00:49:42.840 these days is big

00:49:43.760 government and big

00:49:45.340 tech.

00:49:45.800 And now you're

00:49:46.340 going to have your

00:49:47.000 media reliant on

00:49:50.080 both of them.

00:49:51.560 And I don't think

00:49:52.080 that's a, that's not

00:49:53.300 a really comfortable

00:49:54.020 position for anyone

00:49:55.040 involved.

00:49:55.580 And I know an awful

00:49:56.640 lot of journalists

00:49:57.520 and, and, uh, you

00:49:59.240 know, some, you

00:49:59.940 know, senior news

00:50:00.900 executives too, they

00:50:02.500 won't say so publicly,

00:50:03.500 but it, it keeps

00:50:05.760 them up at night.

00:50:07.080 You know, I mean,

00:50:08.280 big tech and big

00:50:09.060 government are two

00:50:09.880 of the things I'm

00:50:10.880 most afraid of for

00:50:11.820 my friends on the

00:50:12.680 left, I would say,

00:50:13.440 imagine if the two

00:50:14.480 largest sources of

00:50:15.340 income for a newspaper

00:50:16.180 were big oil and big

00:50:18.080 tobacco, you'd be

00:50:19.640 pretty sure there

00:50:20.320 wouldn't be a lot

00:50:20.900 of deep expose into

00:50:22.280 oil or tobacco.

00:50:23.860 And when Justin

00:50:25.180 Trudeau and his

00:50:26.160 cabinet, I mean, I

00:50:27.140 saw the Globe and

00:50:27.620 Mail was listing the,

00:50:28.580 the, the most

00:50:29.580 influential people in

00:50:30.680 Canadian showbiz and

00:50:32.280 the number one in, in

00:50:34.260 their selection was the

00:50:35.220 government minister of

00:50:36.180 heritage.

00:50:36.720 That is such an

00:50:37.620 unhealthy thing.

00:50:38.220 If you said, who's

00:50:38.840 the most powerful

00:50:39.520 person in Hollywood,

00:50:41.000 who's the most

00:50:41.540 powerful person in the

00:50:42.540 American entertainment

00:50:43.380 industry, and you came

00:50:44.600 up with a cabinet

00:50:45.740 minister, you would say

00:50:47.120 that is a deeply

00:50:47.860 unhealthy industry, but

00:50:50.220 no, it was, that

00:50:51.500 is the Canadian way.

00:50:53.560 I got a question for

00:50:54.300 you though, because you

00:50:55.360 were on the CRTC and

00:50:56.980 you had sort of a

00:50:57.680 freedom mandate from

00:50:58.740 Stephen Harper.

00:51:00.960 How is this going to

00:51:02.100 go?

00:51:03.320 Does the CRTC know,

00:51:06.400 like, I mean, part of

00:51:08.140 me is hoping that they

00:51:08.940 don't have the capacity,

00:51:10.540 the know-how or the

00:51:11.700 smarts to do this.

00:51:14.140 The idea of just

00:51:15.560 regulating the internet,

00:51:17.400 which they haven't done

00:51:18.600 before, they had a

00:51:19.320 small number of TV and

00:51:20.360 radio stations, they've

00:51:21.220 been doing that for

00:51:21.960 more than, you know, for

00:51:23.540 decades, they know what

00:51:24.520 they're doing.

00:51:26.360 What do you think it'll

00:51:27.440 be like when these laws

00:51:28.540 pass and suddenly this

00:51:29.840 fairly obscure agency

00:51:31.480 that was becoming

00:51:32.200 obsolete because of

00:51:33.120 technology suddenly

00:51:35.200 becomes the most

00:51:35.960 important agency in the

00:51:37.000 country other than the

00:51:37.720 CRA?

00:51:40.140 Yeah, well, there's two

00:51:41.080 ways to look at it.

00:51:41.880 One is consider the

00:51:43.360 institution itself and

00:51:44.740 its reputation, which

00:51:45.940 is not terribly

00:51:47.240 popular.

00:51:48.340 At the same time, I

00:51:49.460 have worked there and

00:51:50.360 there are some smart

00:51:51.220 people there.

00:51:52.060 And I think some of the

00:51:52.940 new people that have

00:51:53.680 been appointed are

00:51:55.140 smart people too.

00:51:57.100 So I'm going to be,

00:51:59.160 I'm going to take off

00:51:59.900 my doom and gloom hat

00:52:01.320 for a minute here and

00:52:03.500 try to be optimistic

00:52:05.680 that people at the CRTC

00:52:07.620 will look at a lot of

00:52:08.860 the issues you just

00:52:09.740 pointed to.

00:52:10.560 You know, do we have

00:52:12.760 the resources, do we

00:52:13.800 have the technical

00:52:15.200 background, the

00:52:15.980 knowledge, the

00:52:16.500 ability, the

00:52:17.660 history, the

00:52:18.620 institutional memory

00:52:19.940 to be able to take

00:52:21.880 on something as

00:52:23.000 simple as, you know,

00:52:24.700 we're going to

00:52:25.100 regulate the global

00:52:25.900 internet, right?

00:52:26.960 I mean, that's a huge

00:52:27.920 task.

00:52:28.900 So I'm hoping,

00:52:30.540 because there are some

00:52:31.380 smart people there,

00:52:32.280 that they take a look

00:52:33.140 at Bill C-11 out of

00:52:35.820 the gate and they

00:52:37.380 carve off scope.

00:52:39.140 They go back to what

00:52:40.300 the government said

00:52:41.080 was its original

00:52:41.860 hope was to get

00:52:43.320 money from big

00:52:44.580 streaming companies

00:52:45.380 and have they

00:52:45.980 contribute to these

00:52:46.880 official government

00:52:48.420 funds.

00:52:49.920 I mean, that's a

00:52:50.520 very 1980s approach

00:52:52.140 to the 21st century,

00:52:53.560 but that said, we are

00:52:54.980 where we are.

00:52:55.700 And if they're in

00:52:56.160 that position, the

00:52:57.540 very best thing for

00:52:58.420 them should be to

00:52:59.660 say, okay, out of

00:53:01.680 the gate, anything we

00:53:03.480 do now, everything

00:53:05.180 else, everything that

00:53:06.820 has revenue of less

00:53:07.960 than $150 million

00:53:09.240 a year, and I'm

00:53:10.200 thinking that might

00:53:10.760 be you, Ezra, is

00:53:12.360 exempt, and we are

00:53:14.800 not even going to

00:53:15.460 walk in that space.

00:53:16.780 Everything over,

00:53:18.160 $150 million, the

00:53:19.880 Netflix, the

00:53:20.660 Disney's, et cetera,

00:53:22.060 that's what we're

00:53:22.560 going to talk about,

00:53:23.280 that's what we're

00:53:23.740 going to deal with.

00:53:25.860 Down the road,

00:53:27.000 they'll probably get

00:53:27.920 to the rest, which

00:53:29.060 is another issue, but

00:53:30.400 out of the gate, if

00:53:31.540 they're smart, they'll

00:53:32.840 just carve off the

00:53:34.260 big money pie and

00:53:35.800 start dividing that

00:53:36.800 up for their

00:53:37.840 friends in the

00:53:38.620 CanCon industry.

00:53:41.040 Well, I am always

00:53:43.080 worried because I

00:53:43.840 know that in the

00:53:44.400 past, and again,

00:53:45.720 this interview is

00:53:46.860 about C-18 and the

00:53:48.020 CRTC, it's not

00:53:48.860 about Rebel News, but

00:53:50.780 I do know that in

00:53:51.440 the past, the prime

00:53:52.180 minister himself has

00:53:53.120 shown a great

00:53:53.780 interest in Rebel

00:53:55.540 News.

00:53:56.000 He refers to us on

00:53:57.060 the floor of the

00:53:57.840 House of Commons.

00:53:58.740 He condemns our

00:54:00.780 reporters on the

00:54:01.660 rare occasion when

00:54:02.400 they talk to him.

00:54:03.340 His bodyguards beat

00:54:04.640 up our reporter,

00:54:05.400 David Menzies.

00:54:05.960 They smashed my

00:54:07.300 face into a wooden

00:54:08.480 wall.

00:54:08.880 The reality is

00:54:20.240 organizations like

00:54:24.520 yours that continue to

00:54:27.100 spread misinformation and

00:54:28.900 disinformation.

00:54:30.560 I won't call it a media

00:54:31.420 organization.

00:54:32.160 Your group of

00:54:33.360 individuals need to take

00:54:36.320 accountability,

00:54:37.420 polarization that we're

00:54:39.340 seeing in this country.

00:54:40.420 And it's disappointing to see

00:54:42.000 the conservatives engage in

00:54:43.300 peddling, engage in

00:54:44.780 peddling, rebel media,

00:54:46.080 rebel media, conspiracy

00:54:47.220 theories, conspiracy.

00:54:48.760 Je partage ma perspective

00:54:50.040 sur ton organization hier soir,

00:54:52.680 j'ai plus rien à dire.

00:54:53.840 You're a censorious thun.

00:54:55.380 You've physically

00:54:56.080 assaulted me.

00:54:56.960 So it would not surprise me

00:54:58.380 if there was some squad that

00:55:01.360 was deputized to solve the

00:55:03.280 problem of those rambunctious

00:55:05.060 online conservative news

00:55:06.760 outlets.

00:55:07.020 I don't know if they would

00:55:08.080 go for Western Standard

00:55:09.240 online or True North as

00:55:11.060 well, but I am pessimistic.

00:55:12.720 I don't think they want to

00:55:13.560 leave us alone, but we'll

00:55:15.400 see.

00:55:17.120 If you have to guess the

00:55:19.300 most, if you have to think

00:55:20.760 of what the Achilles heel is

00:55:22.460 here, if there was some way

00:55:23.460 to stop this, you've already

00:55:24.900 mentioned a potential trade

00:55:26.220 complaint from the United

00:55:27.640 States.

00:55:28.140 Frankly, I think that's what's

00:55:29.340 going to do it.

00:55:30.320 It's going to be well

00:55:31.120 resourced.

00:55:31.660 It's going to have the best

00:55:32.280 lawyers.

00:55:32.720 It's going to have a political

00:55:33.640 club that it's being carried.

00:55:35.300 I think, strangely, Joe

00:55:38.760 Biden is going to save us

00:55:40.720 if anyone does.

00:55:42.300 But other than that, is

00:55:43.280 there some angle that you

00:55:44.600 think critics or opponents

00:55:46.320 in Canada could take?

00:55:48.560 Is there some way to slow

00:55:49.860 this, to limit this, to

00:55:51.040 solve this, to fight this, to

00:55:52.320 object to this, to challenge

00:55:53.960 this in court?

00:55:54.620 Is there some way?

00:55:55.440 What do you think the

00:55:55.900 weakness of this is?

00:55:58.000 I think there's a

00:55:58.760 constitutional weakness.

00:56:00.860 My former chairman, Conrad

00:56:02.760 von Finkenstein, and Philip

00:56:04.880 Palmer, who's the vice

00:56:07.400 chair of the Internet

00:56:08.440 Society of Canada chapter,

00:56:10.600 wrote a piece recently for

00:56:12.220 an industry trade online

00:56:14.060 magazine called cart.ca, and

00:56:17.240 they outlined what they

00:56:18.340 thought was the

00:56:19.120 constitutional issue with

00:56:21.020 C-18 that, and this one

00:56:23.580 exists, people have said

00:56:25.060 similar things about C-11,

00:56:27.360 that there's a

00:56:28.580 jurisdictional issue

00:56:29.600 regarding the internet and

00:56:31.920 whether it actually meets

00:56:33.000 the governmental or

00:56:36.840 constitutional division of

00:56:38.940 powers between federal

00:56:40.440 power and provincial power.

00:56:43.340 And so I would expect, and

00:56:45.820 both of those guys are pretty

00:56:47.840 smart guys.

00:56:48.700 I mean, Conrad was CRTC

00:56:50.020 chairman.

00:56:51.080 He was head of the

00:56:51.980 competition bureau.

00:56:53.140 He was on the team that

00:56:54.600 negotiated NAFTA back in the

00:56:57.720 day, and he was a federal

00:56:58.660 court judge.

00:56:59.440 So he knows a little bit

00:57:00.600 about the law.

00:57:01.920 Phil was one of the guys who

00:57:03.380 helped write the original

00:57:04.860 Broadcasting Act and was a

00:57:06.660 lawyer in the Department of

00:57:08.800 Justice for many years.

00:57:10.400 So these are not like a couple

00:57:12.540 of kooks from the fringes

00:57:13.720 throwing, rolling that idea out.

00:57:16.120 So I think there's a very good

00:57:17.160 chance you're going to see

00:57:18.060 these cases

00:57:20.040 spend several years in the

00:57:22.080 courts,

00:57:22.700 starting at the lower level and

00:57:25.160 then going through appeals and

00:57:26.420 probably ending up at the

00:57:27.600 Supreme Court.

00:57:28.360 I think there will be endless

00:57:29.460 haggling over jurisdiction and

00:57:31.940 definitions of CanCon at the

00:57:33.780 CRTC.

00:57:35.220 And I think that whole process

00:57:36.880 will probably take the better

00:57:39.460 part of this decade, if not

00:57:40.800 longer, before you get any real

00:57:43.240 sense of what's going on.

00:57:44.660 The sad part about that is that

00:57:46.520 you're taking what is largely a

00:57:48.500 thriving and prospering film,

00:57:51.300 television, et cetera, industry

00:57:53.800 right now, and you're going to

00:57:55.780 tie it up with question marks

00:57:59.040 and you're going to stifle

00:58:00.860 investment, right?

00:58:01.960 It's going to hurt Canadians.

00:58:04.580 C11 could decimate the YouTube

00:58:08.160 industry, the Canadian creators who

00:58:10.220 chose to serve audiences as their

00:58:13.280 primary purpose rather than

00:58:14.880 applying for funds.

00:58:16.840 There's 30,000 people who have

00:58:18.860 full-time jobs at stake there.

00:58:21.120 And most of those people are not

00:58:23.100 like generally conservative

00:58:24.520 people, right?

00:58:25.700 They're from the artistic sector

00:58:27.940 and their jobs are, you know,

00:58:31.060 they don't know.

00:58:31.940 And maybe they're going to move

00:58:32.820 to the States.

00:58:33.460 They don't know what's going to

00:58:34.280 happen to them.

00:58:36.460 Well, I mean, it's a well-titled

00:58:37.860 piece, Extortion, Dependency, and

00:58:40.000 Media Welfare, the Liberals Bill

00:58:41.380 C-18.

00:58:42.060 That really is the future that this

00:58:45.620 bill outlines.

00:58:46.960 I think that Rebel News has a role

00:58:49.560 here, which is to challenge the

00:58:51.520 constitutionality of this.

00:58:52.760 We like to do public interest

00:58:55.460 litigation.

00:58:55.840 We like to crowdfund it.

00:58:57.080 We've done it before.

00:58:57.820 We've actually had a few successes,

00:58:59.740 including in the censorship front.

00:59:01.660 In fact, our most spectacular and

00:59:03.360 surprising successes have been for

00:59:05.660 free speech.

00:59:06.620 And I really think it falls to us

00:59:08.400 because, you know, whenever I check

00:59:09.820 in on the Canadian Association of

00:59:11.360 Journalists or groups like that,

00:59:12.380 they're just obsessed with carving

00:59:14.080 up the pie, not fighting against it.

00:59:17.040 This is going to be very

00:59:18.160 interesting.

00:59:18.920 I thank you for taking the time to

00:59:20.660 come on the show.

00:59:21.260 And I just want to give a shout

00:59:22.200 out again for those who want to read

00:59:23.920 your entire article.

00:59:24.860 It's at thec2cjournal.ca.

00:59:27.240 We'll have a link to it under the

00:59:28.660 video.

00:59:28.960 Peter, great to see you again.

00:59:29.800 Thanks very much for your time

00:59:30.740 today.

00:59:31.960 Thanks, Ezra.

00:59:32.500 Have a great summer.

00:59:33.460 You too.

00:59:34.380 Stay with us.

00:59:35.600 More ahead.

00:59:36.000 Well, folks, lots of feedback from

00:59:49.260 yesterday's live stream with Drea

00:59:51.680 Humphrey and yours truly.

00:59:53.340 Let's start with Pat's Garage, who

00:59:55.820 writes, I work for the federal

00:59:57.700 government, not PSAC.

01:00:00.100 That's the Public Service Alliance

01:00:02.020 of Canada.

01:00:02.520 And they are all making us look

01:00:05.700 terrible right now.

01:00:07.620 They will justify working from home

01:00:10.180 due to environmental reasons.

01:00:13.140 I'm surprised we haven't heard that

01:00:15.540 from them yet.

01:00:16.580 You know, that's a great point.

01:00:17.780 Let's remember, folks, the reason why

01:00:20.560 people got to work at home going back

01:00:23.020 to 2020 was the pandemic.

01:00:25.420 We didn't know what we know about the

01:00:29.140 coronavirus back then.

01:00:31.300 And this was a compromise.

01:00:34.240 But the pandemic is in the rearview

01:00:36.520 mirror.

01:00:37.580 Time to get back to work.

01:00:40.860 And Cindy writes, it was the $2,000

01:00:43.840 that Trudeau handed out that made

01:00:46.160 people even more lazy.

01:00:48.960 Well, yeah, I think what Cindy's

01:00:50.240 referencing here is that even though we

01:00:52.320 have a rocky economy with high interest

01:00:54.480 rates, raging inflation, we also have a

01:00:57.680 job shortage.

01:00:58.920 And basically, when you're being paid

01:01:01.480 to stay at home, well, for some people,

01:01:04.680 why bother getting out of bed in the

01:01:06.420 first place?

01:01:07.000 And John Cherezna writes, Trudeau and

01:01:09.980 all MP salaries have increased constantly

01:01:13.120 and dramatically since 2015.

01:01:16.100 Never mind that all his appointed

01:01:18.060 governor generals that we do pay

01:01:20.820 forever, no matter how bad they are,

01:01:24.480 and then there is the senators and the

01:01:28.140 Laurentian elites.

01:01:29.840 Yeah, you know, they have it pretty good,

01:01:31.880 don't they?

01:01:32.420 But with the issue at hand, folks, if you

01:01:36.080 were working in the private sector and your

01:01:38.520 boss called you into the office and said,

01:01:40.800 would you like a 9% raise over the next

01:01:44.200 three years?

01:01:44.920 I'll tell you, I'd be elated with that.

01:01:47.420 But for the public sector workers in Ottawa and

01:01:52.400 all over Canada, well, what's that title of

01:01:55.500 that James Bond movie?

01:01:56.820 Oh, yes, the world is not enough.

01:01:59.380 No, they want more than 13%.

01:02:02.080 They want the ability to work at home.

01:02:06.660 They want contracting out to end so they can

01:02:09.760 have more overtime.

01:02:10.740 And inexplicably, they want more anti-racism

01:02:16.060 training.

01:02:17.060 Is the public service full of racists?

01:02:19.620 Yeek.

01:02:20.240 I wouldn't want to work there, would you?

01:02:22.480 Well, folks, that wraps up today's edition of

01:02:25.520 The Ezra LeVant Show.

01:02:26.820 Thanks so much for tuning in.

01:02:28.580 I believe the big boss man, he's back from his

01:02:31.220 travels on Monday.

01:02:33.100 Have yourselves a wonderful weekend.

01:02:34.940 And as always, stay safe and stay sane.

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