Far-left green movement, mainstream media celebrate coronavirus pandemic
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The environmentalist movement sees the coronavirus outbreak as a test run for how they d like to deal with the climate emergency. Joining me via Skype in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.
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The environmentalist movement sees the upside to a deadly global pandemic. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed
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You know there's nothing quite like a deadly disease spreading across the face of the entire
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earth to really bring us back to focusing on the important things in life. Family, friends,
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self-reliance, preparedness, and of course good hygiene. That is if you are a normal person with a
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normal set of priorities but then there is the environmental movement. Just look at this bizarre
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headline from CNN of course CNN. There is an unlikely beneficiary of the coronavirus. The planet. The
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article goes on to detail how the outbreak of coronavirus has led to a decline in coal use in
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mainland China. Which for the likes of CNN means that the communist Chinese government allowing the
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coronavirus to spread out of control by censoring doctors who tried to sound the alarm bell months
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ago. Well it's not all that bad. But if you think CNN is alone in its grotesque pseudo-advocation for the
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lockdown of all of humanity in the name of the planet. Well here comes CBC. Coronavirus work from home policies
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give climate plan a boost. People are working from home so that they don't spread a deadly virus or
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bring a deadly virus back home to their families and CBC says what a great thing for Catherine McKenna's
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bad ideas. Oh but wait there's more. COVID-19 pandemic response temporarily combating
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CO2 emissions but systemic change needed experts urge. Wow. Joining me via Skype in an interview we
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recorded yesterday afternoon is Tom Harris of the International Climate Science Coalition to discuss
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how the environmentalist movement is embracing the measures meant to stem the tide of the deadly COVID-19
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pandemic as a template to battle their so-called climate emergency.
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Joining me now from the Ottawa area is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition and I
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wanted to have Tom on the show because one of the underlying things that has sort of emerged from
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the coronavirus pandemic is how some people have completely forgotten about the dire warnings of
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climate change that were just happening like three weeks ago and others are using it as a template
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for what could be done to deal with climate change. Hey Tom thanks for coming on the show.
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There's so much to talk about. I sent you an article and you sent me five back.
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Yeah it's sort of sad because what they're saying is that this shows the kind of systemic change that's
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necessary in our society if we're to stop the climate from changing. Well you know I guess the
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answer to that would be well yeah and is this what you want? I mean have a look around you with the
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exception of the gas being low price. The kind of changes that the environmentalists want would
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actually result in the kind of changes we're seeing like right around us you know jobs closing and
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and people not being able to transfer or move around and and I think that in a sense I mean
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they're saying this is is going to give us an example of what we can do. Well I would say this is an
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example of what they want us to do and I would say my goodness is this the kind of society you want
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and I think when this is all over that's perhaps the lesson that people will get is the environmentalists
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actually we're not too displeased with this event because it showed what could happen whereas I
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would think that most people would say yeah and that's not what we want to happen. Yeah I sent you
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a CBC article yesterday and the title is COVID-19 pandemic response temporarily combating CO2 emissions
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but systemic change needed experts urged so somehow um they've shoehorned uh a good news story I guess
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for them into all of this is that you know despite that the fact that thousands of people across the
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world are sick and this has been unleashed upon us by the Chinese government isn't it great that CO2
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emissions are down? I mean it's so strange and anti-human that this is the immediate response from the
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environmental movement. Yeah in fact we heard from one of the top UN people that there's a good side
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to it because people are not traveling and not flying and not living their normal lives. And dying.
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Yeah I come back to the point well yeah and is that the kind of life you want? So in a way this is an
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illustration of what the environmentalists are pushing for except as I say gas prices will go through
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the roof whereas right now they're quite cheap. But that CBC article is a weird one because they're
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mixing up pollution and carbon dioxide on the climate issue and they talk about the number of
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deaths as a result of exposure to air pollution. Well you know in reality nobody dies unless they're
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sucking on a tailpipe or something or in a gas chamber they don't die due to pollution. I mean it's
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a contributing factor in extremely bad areas like in China. But in Canada and the United States in
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particular we see that pollution levels have been dropping so much that in fact on the environmental
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protection agency website I was just noticing they were saying that a car today puts out they said
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99 percent reduction in pollution since 1970. Okay so we're actually doing very well when it comes to
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pollution. CO2 is another story but as you know CO2 is plant food so when they mix the two issues up
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in the article like this it really doesn't make any sense. Yeah you also sent me an article that was
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published in the Sunday Times of London lamenting the fact that the pandemic is sort of taking a higher
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priority than climate change and some of the quotes in that are quite crazy. You know that it says
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for now COVID-19 can't be stopped only slowed but climate change can both be stopped and slowed.
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How? How? In fact Greenpeace were at my door a few years ago and I guess I chose the wrong door to
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knock on. They asked me if I would contribute money to help them stop climate change. So I asked them
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well are you going to help us stop the next ice age and they kind of looked at me like huh? You know and
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I think that's the point is that climate change is naturally all the time. We've had far hotter and
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far colder, far stormier, far higher and lower sea levels. You know the bottom line is this is climate
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change is natural. Unlikely, very much unlike this pandemic which is not at all natural of course.
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So there is really no comparison except for saying this is the kind of future environmentalists seem to
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want and that should be a big warning. And also as Rex Murphy pointed out in his piece,
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climate fanatics never miss an opportunity. They really are fanatics when they take something which
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is so serious across the world and they say oh but you know this is actually a good thing because
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we're reducing CO2. So it is really kind of mentally ill actually. Yeah there's a Times of London
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article published on March 5th that says don't take this the wrong way. So you know that this is going
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to be gross. When they preface the sentence with don't take this the wrong way. But if you were a
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young hardline environmentalist looking for the ultimate weapon against climate change you could
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hardly design anything better than coronavirus. Unlike most other diseases it kills mostly the old
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who let's face it are more likely to be climate skeptics. It spares the young. So what a great
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thing. It's getting rid of all the people left with common sense. So that the anti-human environmental
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movement can just move in and clean up the I guess what's left of the world. If there's any people
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left. You know some of the extremists of course in society are members of a group called the Voluntary
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Human Extinction Movement. And if you look on the web you'll see there's thousands of people across
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the world who actually think that the earth would be far better off if humans just disappeared. Now
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they're not saying we should all go out and kill ourselves but they say we should have no more
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children so that in fact it would be the gradual end of the human race. So you know this is underlying
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some of the more extreme elements of the climate change movement and it's it's really sick you know.
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I would argue that it's not a more extreme. I think this is actually probably the mainstream
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position of the environmentalist movement that there are too many people that the old people
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are taking up resources that the old people should stop having opinions that climate skeptics really of
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any age should be rounded up. I'm pretty sure David Suzuki expressed a sentiment to that effect. I
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think it is absolutely the mainstream position of the environmental movement and it's so mainstream
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that it's being printed in the Times of London and nobody bats an eye. Yeah yeah exactly and yet you
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know as societies advance as we have more money and more wealth and prosperity what we find is that we
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protect the environment better okay because people have the resources and the time and the energy
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to actually care about the environment. So the whole idea that you know we should impoverish society
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which is kind of implicit in a lot of this silly stuff that you're quoting it doesn't make any sense.
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I mean if you look at a country like Somalia how much do you think they care about the environment
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okay when you have warlords fighting back and forth. So in fact in many cases the environmentalists
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are shooting themselves in the foot because trying to make our society impoverished is the exact opposite
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of what you should do. There's something called the Kuznets curve and the researcher Mr. Dr. I presume
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Kuznets actually got a Nobel Prize for this in which he showed that if you draw a curve that plots
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standard of living versus environmental degradation what you see is at first as the standard of living
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increases and you have more consumption the environment gets worse but you get to a certain point
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and then it drops off and as you get wealthier and more wealthy and you have more time and more
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resources to care for the environment the environment actually improves. So indeed we should be
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encouraging countries like in Africa for example to use their natural resources their coal their oil
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their natural gas to boost their society so that they will have the funds and care about the environment.
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So in many ways you know the the earth hour and all these other different crusades
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where they're trying to get us to use less energy are exactly the opposite because we see societies
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that use almost no energy are poor and that's not the way we want to be if indeed we want to protect
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the environment let alone all the other things we need. You know it's as you were saying that
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some of the other solutions that the environmentalists think will be the answer to the problem they think is
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out there. One of the big ones is that we need societal and governmental change i.e. moving away
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from a capitalist consumerist based society that has made us the most prosperous society ever to exist
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and the healthiest society ever to exist. I mean the grocery store is a testament to that that you can
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walk into your local for me Fort Saskatchewan grocery store and get food from all around the world
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at an affordable price things my grandparents a couple generations ago would only dream of
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but they want us to move away from that to communism and when you look at communist societies around the
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world they're filthy. I mean the Soviet Union before it fell absolutely disgusting the most polluted lake in
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the world was in the Soviet Union. Look at China. Yeah well you know Jordan Peterson who I you've probably
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interviewed him I guess he had a really interesting answer to a woman in Australia just the other day
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it just came out I put it on my Facebook page and people can follow all of our articles that way if you
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search Tom Harris and climate you'll see my Facebook page but regardless this woman was asking him about
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oh this terrible climate disaster and Jordan Peterson said you know I think most of the people who are
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charging on this crusade are people who don't have their own houses in order you know their own personal lives in
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order so they use this crusade to kind of deflect their attention away from all their own shortcomings and that
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what he said is that what young people should do is try to make themselves powerful and strong and healthy and
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intelligent and take their education you know and do the things they need to eventually be able to contribute to
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society but he was saying that in fact he thinks a common denominator amongst many of these crusaders
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for the climate or other environmental concerns are that their own lives are actually screwed up
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and that they're using this as a distraction rather than fixing themselves and I thought that was a pretty
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unique answer. Yeah I think there's some truth to that that you know it's easy to
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uh want to fix the entire world because it's easier to to make somebody else the villain and then
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instead of fix your own life where you are actually the self-destructive villain. I mean we should control
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the controllables okay there's so many issues that I have personally and everybody has personally that you
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have actual control over and what Peterson was saying is look get your own house in order control your
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own controllables and then someday you can help the world but he says when you have people trying to
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help the world who are all kind of mentally upside down oh yeah that's not really very good um you
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know in one of the articles here we're talking about earth hour did you would you like to talk about
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that a little I would love to talk about earth hour that's the next next thing yes and it's sneaking
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up on us again this year Tom how are you celebrating earth hour I plan to have every light in the
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house on and they're going to see me from the international space station oh yeah exactly because
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energy consumption correlates directly with wealth which correlates directly with protecting the
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environment so yeah the earth hour people they're saying to switch off your lights for an hour on
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Saturday March 28th 2020 at 8 30 p.m your local time now if as I said in the article that we had
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published recently if this were about saving energy to show our support for the 860 million people
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who don't have electricity around the world then it could make some sense but in fact the driving
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factor in earth hour for years in fact the origin of it in Australia was basically to stop climate
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change okay and if you actually read through the promotions from last year they say global warming this
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is from the Australia earth hour web page right at the top it says choose your climate future
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global warming caused by carbon pollution from burning fossil fuels wow come on there's two mistakes in
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that sentence right away it's not carbon it's not pollution and it's not global warming is not being
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caused by our burning of fossil fuels or at least not very much if there is any at all but I mean this
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is like and I always love the appendix for the book 1984 and people should read that again if they read
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it years ago read it again because it's right in the debate constantly carbon pollution green energy climate
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deniers the language of the debate has been completely skewed so that you can't really even have a
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sensible conversation anymore because everyone's using this sort of language even many conservatives
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are calling it carbon pricing and that's a big mistake you should not do that because of course as you know
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carbon is soot it's also diamonds you know it's pure form of carbon in nature but carbon dioxide of course
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is plant food and you know if people actually go to the climate change reconsidered dot org
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climate change reconsidered dot org website what you'll find here is they have a report called biological impacts
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and it cites 1,000 peer-reviewed studies that show that forests and grasslands have actually become more productive
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they've actually increased as co2 levels have risen and you see what co2science.org is another interesting website
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that people should check out co2science.org out of arizona that's the idzo's dr dr idzo he actually
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does tests in greenhouses which show what happens when you double triple or quadruple carbon dioxide
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levels above the ambient atmosphere and what he shows first of all not surprisingly plants grow much
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better but the other thing which he shows which i think is really quite amazing is they need less water
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so as co2 levels rise in our atmosphere we're going to find areas that start growing plants
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that currently are too dry because of a lack of water so carbon dioxide carbon pollution come on it's
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the exact opposite it's beneficial to all of us now it's true that if co2 levels were too high
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we would be displacing oxygen and so we'd be in trouble but how high does it have to go before it's
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actually a threat for humans here's the answer in submarines co2 levels can reach 10 000 parts per
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million our outside atmosphere is about 125th of that okay so you would still be able to be okay
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because there's no harmful effects on the crew with co2 levels of 25 times today level and of course
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throughout earth's history there'd be many times when co2 was much much higher than today indeed over the
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course of geologic history we're at one of the lowest levels of co2 in the whole of earth's
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history and patrick moore who i know you've interviewed he's a wonderful person to talk to
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uh you know former greenpeace founder now totally on our side in the climate issue he points out that co2
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has been dropping steadily for millions of years and if we hadn't come along and liberated it through
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cement and fossil fuel combustion we would in fact perhaps see co2 drop to a level at which plants
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die so the whole concept that co2 is pollution that needs to be controlled it's a huge mistake
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and sadly you know our government and to a certain extent even the conservative party they mix these
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things up pollution carbon dioxide you know they got a backup and say just a minute we're talking about
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oranges and apples they're different things and sure we're controlling pollution and we're doing a good
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job of that co2 let it go in fact there are people who say we should be happy that it's rising
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because we'll see more crop productivity so the earth hour concept is wrong and dr ball says it
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point blank he says the basic assumption on which the entire uh theory that human activity is causing
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global warming or climate change is wrong okay he says it point blank and dr ball is you know one of
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the best authorities in the world on this field you know i think it's funny and i'm sort of proud
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to say that normally during earth hour uh energy consumption spikes in both of the major cities
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in alberta so you know we got to pat ourselves on the back for that um but i do and there's some
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great irony in the fact that um there are a lot of uninformed and uh however well-meaning i don't
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i don't think that they're like sinister although some people in the environmentalist movement clearly are
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but a lot of well-meaning however ill-informed individuals sitting in the dark burning a
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paraffin candle for an hour and not even having a clue where that paraffin came from um to fight
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climate change yeah in fact i've heard there's a group in the states that they call it human
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achievement hour where they like you intentionally use more and more resources specifically to celebrate
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how our society has done so well and you know it comes back to this virus again we're having a
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preview of what would happen if we all if we actually followed the environmentalist advice
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you know we'd have a society that's very poor we wouldn't have jobs you know we couldn't be able
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to drive anywhere i mean that's where these uh extremists want to take us so yeah in a way that is
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a lesson from this virus is that yeah if you want their kind of future you're experiencing it now
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yeah life would be short miserable not very much fun and plagued by disease um moving along um you and
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your co-author jay lair you have an article where you make the case that it is time to end the u.n
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climate fiasco and i kind of hope it goes on just one more year because next year's um event is in
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glasgow scotland and i've never been so just one more year and then let's stop it i've never been
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to scotland either and i'll probably go there but you know one thing the group clintel um out of the
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netherlands i believe it is planning to have a full-blown climate debate okay presenting the science
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the economics on both sides so that people can actually hear what's going on and i think that that
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will be very very productive and in that sense i hope the scotland event goes on because it's about
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time we had that sort of a debate i mean the whole idea that you can't discuss it without people calling
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you a denier and turning you off i mean that's very sad because this is real science and and you
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know it also the pandemic might help people take a bit of a different perspective about the whole use
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of the term climate emergency because we are in an emergency now with respect to the pandemic and we
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have to take sensible precautions that is something that's real now when they use the term emergency to
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apply to to climate change i mean you found yourself in your in your own research that they did no research
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before the government decided it was a climate emergency they just grabbed the term and the trouble
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is if you're calling wolf too often with a term like emergency then people won't take it seriously
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when you really have one so i hope this makes people reevaluate the whole concept of using
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the term emergency with respect to a gradual tiny change in climate i mean since 1880 we've seen just
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over one degree celsius rise okay and you have to look well when were the extreme weather records
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virtually all of them were set in the 1930s so you know there's no emergency in fact there's very
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little going on when it comes to climate at all except in the heads of people who welcome the virus
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like they're nuts yeah isn't that the truth now i wanted to um sort of plug some of the other work
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that you're doing um you not only are with international climate science coalition but
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you do interviews and uh you have your own podcast and you had a really great podcast um with mark morano
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from climate depot who is great uh he's always so much fun at the un climate change conferences
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because he always has some sort of little uh stunt that he pulled to bring everybody back to reality
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and and um re-emphasize the ridiculousness of these things like a couple years ago he dressed as um
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the captain from the love boat and he tried to get onto the greenpeace boat
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yeah mark is ironic and the beauty of it was the day before greenpeace had tried to board a coal ship
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like you know greenpeace's generalized stunts where they where they trespass and board coal ships and uh
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he just tried to return the favor and i think they were calling the cops
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so it's pretty quick how uh they prove themselves to be hypocrites but i wanted to make sure that
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everybody knows what else you're doing out there because not only are you with international climate
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science coalition but you're doing some interesting things and you are having these discussions that
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the environmental left thinks need to be shut down yeah exactly if people do a google search
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uh between tom harris and the name of my show which is exploratory journeys it'll come up on
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iheart radio and all sorts of places or they can just go to our home page which is climatescience
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international dot org and you'll see in clark's interview because i interviewed him a couple of
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weeks ago mark morano's interview people have got to listen to it because it's so great yeah i mean
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mark is is a total live wire he's a wonderful guy and you know he is hated by so many environmental
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extremists that uh you know people have got to listen in i actually uh hung out with mark in
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2009 at the copenhagen climate conference and it was it was quite a riot because we were allowed to
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get into the press center oh my goodness and we were sort of moving around talking to people and
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then they said what are you doing in the press center we said oh they said we can get into the
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press press center and so there's an argument back and forth as to whether we should be there and
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it was quite hilarious actually but yeah mark is wonderful and his new movie climate hustle 2
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um i was just corresponding with them unfortunately it won't be released on the 21st of april because it
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sounds like the um theaters will be closed until the beginning of may so indeed it'll be released a
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little later but i encourage people to check it out because uh the the trailers are already on the web
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for climate hustle 2 and kevin sorbo you might remember from hercules also from the andromeda
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ascendant science fiction that's where i knew him uh he was wonderful in that he's the host of this
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movie so they've got a real you know first class hollywood star as their main character in climate
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hustle 2 so people have got to check it out and if you are not sure if you can't find the trailer
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just go to cfac cfac yeah cfac t i guess it is which is committee for a constructive tomorrow
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and they advertise it right there so we've got a really beautiful video about to come
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from mark morano and company that that's fantastic we at the rebel we did a premiere of climate
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hustle the first one when it came out we packed theaters in edmonton and calgary and then we sort
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of did a q a session with mark afterwards and it was i would suggest some of our more successful
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events that we've ever done um because you know it's great to have somebody like mark come to town
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he's this big american name and and uh you know and he's not afraid to to have these discussions and
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he does it with his own sort of style and panache it's great for canadians to see that um and one
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more thing yeah yeah um i as you were talking i just pulled up exploratory journeys with tom harris on
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my phone you're on google podcast so i'm assuming you're on itunes there too um 24 fabulous episodes of
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tom's work um if you want to subscribe folks at home um tom where else can people find the work
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that you do and support the work that you do well the best thing is to look at our website which is
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climate science international dot org okay and we're going to be actually launching a new group as we've
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talked about previously called climate realism canada so stay tuned that's coming soon okay i'm working
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with some others in the background but uh that's going to be quite a nice movement because we're
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actually showing people how you know canada has to have a climate realist movement and we better get
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it soon before we kill more and more of our activities and and we actually end up with a
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permanent crippling of our society um i think some of the damage that has been done especially to our
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investment sector may be permanent especially with the um energy renaissance taking shape in the united
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states but tom as soon as climate realism canada is ready to launch please let me know so i can have
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you back on the show and let everybody let everybody see what you're up to next okay well that's great
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thanks a lot sheila thanks tom thanks for taking the time today you're always so generous with your
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time and we'll have you back on the show real soon okay bye-bye
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in the coming days and weeks ahead we are going to see exactly who is made of what are people going
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to be decent good neighbors are they going to learn how to be self-reliant when our government has failed
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to keep us safe are people and more importantly politicians going to be able to set aside their
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differences to do what's right for all of us a lot of things are going to shake out of the trees in
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the next few weeks but so far the environmentalist movement is proving themselves to be the anti-human
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crazy people i've always thought they were well everybody that's the show for tonight thank you so much
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for tuning in i'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week please do stay
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healthy and remember don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think