First Nation Chief says he was brutalized by RCMP — but there's more to the story
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In this episode of The Gun Show, my guest is Robbie Picard from Oil and Gas Strong. We talk about recent incidents in Fort McMurray and accusations of systemic racism by the RCMP there, but we re also talking about one of my favourite topics Greta Thunberg and the Trans Mountain pipeline.
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you know like listen to this whenever you feel like. Tonight my guest is Robbie Picard from
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Oil and Gas Strong. We're talking about recent incidents in Fort McMurray and accusations of
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systemic racism by the RCMP there but we're also talking about one of my favorite topics Greta
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Thunberg and all things oil and gas. Now if you like listening to the show then I promise you're
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Is there systemic racism from the RCMP in Fort McMurray? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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Is one isolated incident in Fort McMurray that we still don't have the full context, video evidence
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and investigation of somehow evidence of systemic racism against Indigenous people
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by the RCMP writ large? Well if you watch the news coverage about what happened to Chief
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Alan Adam a couple of months ago outside of a casino during a traffic stop you would definitely think that
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way. Alan Adam recently held a press conference just now piggybacking on the BLM protest to show his
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black eye and busted up face after an altercation with Fort McMurray RCMP. Adam also showed a cell phone
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video of the altercation at that press conference. Now the RCMP were universally condemned based on that
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information but now more information is trickling out. A full 11 minute dash cam video was released by the
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RCMP that gives far greater context to what actually happened. Now I've been doing my best to stay
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completely out of this until all the facts roll in before I weigh in and that's where I'm still at on
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this issue. I know there can be bad cops especially when I know one bent the arm of my friend Kian Bexty
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behind his back when Kian was just trying to do journalism but I also know that there are really great
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cops doing dangerous work to protect their communities from harm. Now since this happened
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in Fort McMurray and I know an expert on all things Fort McMurray and he's someone who's an absolute
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advocate for the Indigenous community I thought I'd invite him on the show to discuss the effect of these
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horrible accusations on the people of Fort McMurray. So joining me to discuss this and also some
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mouthing off by that little urchin Greta Thunberg and the Trans Mountain Pipeline is Robbie Picard
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from Oil Sand Strong in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon.
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So joining me now from his home in Fort McMurray is my friend Robbie Picard from Oil Sand Strong.
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Robbie thank you so much for coming on the show.
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I wanted to have you on the show because you sort of touch on all the issues that I wanted to
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talk about first of all. You are Indigenous but you're also an advocate for Indigenous businesses
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and Indigenous prosperity. You are pro-oil and gas but more than anything you are the biggest booster
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of any community that I've ever seen. You are so pro-Fort McMurray and you're sort of a refugee
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to Fort McMurray. You didn't grow up there you just love it there and I wanted to have you on the show
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because Fort McMurray is in the spotlight right now with all the BLM protests and the talks of
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systemic racism. They're an Indigenous chief in your region one that has taken money from tides but he's
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also pro-oil and gas when he needs to be. Chief Alan Adam has accusations against the police in Fort McMurray
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of police brutality and initially we saw the photographs of Chief Alan Adam and his face after
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the altercation with the RCMP and then subsequently we saw a bystander's video footage of that altercation
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and then we saw the police dash cam footage of the altercation and I know some media outlets are only
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showing the altercation and not the full context lead up and I think there's a reason for that but I
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wanted to have you on to talk to you about this because you're in Fort McMurray. You care about Fort McMurray.
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I wanted to ask you how the community is feeling about this and then I wanted to ask you sort of your take
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on everything to start. I know that's big. It's big but you're a big guy. You can do it.
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Out of all the times that you've interviewed me, I have to say this is the one that I've definitely
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um I've I've been thinking about it and I knew I knew that this would probably be the first question
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you're going to ask me today so I I I typically never prepare and I'm I haven't actually I never
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I still have don't prepare for I always I always just answer the questions so um I will start from
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the start at the first when the first you know bystander video came out um pretty much everyone was
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leaning towards Chief Adam and very very concerned for what happened and then um later on when you saw the
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you have to watch the full 11 minutes the the very first officer um I thought you know should get
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definitely get a medal for patience um the the the follow-out of course um you know the takedown
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and then there's debate whether it was justified if it was too hard or not at the end of the day
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though um it's uh it's a very very very disturbing video on multiple fronts but the one thing I'd like
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to point out though is that um I do think that there's this new wave of not accepting responsibility
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for our own actions and um yeah it's concerning when you know you have a leader calling them on
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multiple times getting out of the car multiple times um at the same time the one issue that I am
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shocked by and I'm finding I am struggling with myself right now is um the amount of people that are
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very upset with the RCMP in all walks of my life right now um whether it's reporters being taken
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away briskly from covering the prime minister to business leaders that I know that say you know in
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this particular situation um you know that uh you know like let's just be honest Chief Adams is not
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totally clean in this I mean his at the if you if he if he didn't call the cop on any if it wasn't for
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the takedown the first cop probably you know would have probably got an award for patients um at the
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same time I'm I'm finding myself so conflicted right now because uh so many people I know are upset with
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the police and you have this movement of people talking about defunding getting rid of the police
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and they're the same people that you know if someone was trying to break into their house
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or rob them that uh they'd be the first to call the police so um if any good comes out of this I
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hope that there's a serious discussion about why people are so upset in general in the world right
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now overall I mean I still think Fort McMurray is pretty great um you know we had the the massive
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Black Lives Matter protest and other than a couple you know tense moments it was very peaceful and
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everybody you know everybody kind of got on with it so um I uh I'm very very concerned right now
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um also very cautious on how to approach every situation I'm in right now yeah I think that's
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important uh to say because um I think especially when dealing with police um and uh dealing with
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everybody you sort of have to take these things on a case-by-case basis as there are good people
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and there are bad people there are good cops and there are bad cops and only those people are only
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responsible for their own actions not this collective guilt and systemic problems like that um and you
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I noticed very wisely from the very beginning you said okay I want to see a full and complete
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investigation into what happened to Chief Alan Adam um without taking sides without hearing one side of
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the story without you know tarring everybody with the same brush you said I want a complete investigation
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and I frankly don't think that we are done seeing the evidence yet um we've seen one dash cam are there
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more um is there um casino footage because this happened outside of a casino um that's also why I haven't
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weighed in I think we sort of need to pump the brakes and get an entire picture of what happened
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as opposed to one photo then a short cell phone video selectively context removed in some instances
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um dash cam footage if you get your news from the mainstream media um I there's so much more to this
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story however it hasn't stopped people from weighing in has it no and one thing I think that is very
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important is clarity and you need to know what people's intentions are but uh the who what where
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and why seems to be lacking in media now that you know the old w5 because it's very unfortunate because
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it's just uh if if something doesn't suit a narrative it just doesn't go the distance you know for instance
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I was looking at uh like I'm a huge Howard Stern fan I have been for years but um Howard Stern over the
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years has gone very to the left and um there uh I mean he did blackface and multiple times and um
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he had it's come out and but because Howard Stern is sort of on the left now they um you know he's not
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getting an attack for it but if someone on the right did blackface I mean it would be council culture
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cut shut them down end of story so it's very much uh you know like for instance like you know if um
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if Andrew Scheer did blackface I mean we'd still be hearing about it but Justin Trudeau can do blackface
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you know 10 12 times and it's okay yeah so I mean there I mean there's something there needs to be
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a correction in society if we're actually going to get along that gets us back to the middle um
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you know but I'm I'm definitely you know I'm finding myself just very cautious more cautious
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than normal right now um but I am concerned because like if we don't get a reality check
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and find a way to move society forward I think we're going to you know we're going to seriously
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we're going to have some serious problems that I don't know if we're going to be able to recover when
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when you know if and we could be very much be on the verge of collapse and it's sad because you know
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um I just made a post today like honestly there's never been a better time to live in Fort McMurray
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I mean they just put the pride flag up um a couple days ago you have a black lives matters uh you know
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event in downtown Fort McMurray you have more multiculturalism than I've ever seen um the one
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thing that you know I did take issue with black lives matters is um one of our city counselors
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her name was Jane Stroud got up and um this uh at the black lives matters thing she she was kind of
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I guess mistoked to what you're supposed to say at that event and she said all lives matter
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and I mean they attacked her viciously and the one lady from black lives matters is a teacher at a
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school you know she started going on to her about the 60 scoop and all this stuff and
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the truth is that Jane Stroud like actually like I haven't always agreed with some of her political
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decisions but I respect how she's worked for the indigenous communities in the rural areas
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and has a her entire career I guarantee you done more for indigenous people than that
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teacher from the from the school and like she wouldn't hear it I mean Jane actually got driven
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off and wasn't allowed like they drove her off so I mean how can you have a dialogue um if you're
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going to shut people down if they disagree with your narrative and two you cannot judge anyone's
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life experience at all by by look at how they look you and I think that that that's wrong to make on
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any front you cannot just look at someone and assume you understand their challenges
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or what they've been through um and that's that's sort of my take on that yeah it's a really great
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point that um you know this town councillor who has spent her life working to better indigenous
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communities um she wasn't uh progressive enough because she didn't police her own language at a
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BLM protest and so she's run off by people who would never do the things that she's done and never
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work as hard as she has for the betterment of indigenous communities um but that's how it is that's
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what cancel culture is all about people people who um play the language games properly but actually
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don't do anything else they're the ones running the show now and it is crazy and you're right it is
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very dangerous times now these even though there's still a full investigation going on into um the
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actions of these police officers with chief alan adam uh greta tunberg from her perch across the ocean
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she's weighed in and convicted them she sent a tweet that said i met with chief alan adam in fort
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mcmurray last autumn um i bet she did and i'm shocked by his this shameful abuse by the rcmp very disturbing
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to see um so she's basically before all the evidence is in um convicted our national police force
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of systemic racism against an indigenous elder um what do you think about that
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you know i had a conversation about greta tunberg the other day um one of my regrets um is when she was
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here is i did not confront her is that a regret i don't know i i chose to stand down and um
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here's my simple word word uh we don't need the opinion of a 17 year old girl across the ocean
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who has a larger carbon footprint than she possibly wants to admit on every canadian issue um i think
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it's a sad state of affairs that the world has been influenced by her i don't think she's overly
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intelligent i don't think she's that knowledgeable about any issues the issues here with indigenous
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people are complex and after the second video came out people are very divided again um on this on
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multiple fronts there's also i mean there's another generation of people that look up to leadership um
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my mentors in life have mostly been indigenous people um and women to be honest with you and um i have
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huge respect for um a lot of the you know the people in the fort mcmurray that are older and indigenous
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i'm you know um chief jim boucher yeah i i was very like i you know um nicole i mean she's a friend of mine um
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there's several others the glosky family like these are hard-working indigenous leaders that i that i've
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always respected and love the way they've conducted themselves and they uh you know i've learned how to
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work harder on my own self-improvement so i say you know before we really comment we need to wait for
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the full investigation to be over and then i think there's two fronts that need to be looked at you need
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to look at his behavior um and how he responded and get to the root cause of why is there such hate
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towards the rcmp right now and i think you need to analyze both equally and everyone in all aspects
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of my life right now is you know they're having some issues but i will say like for me personally like
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um i've had to dial 9-1-1 running nightclubs many times and you know when you're in a situation where
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you're under threat when someone's physically going to harm you or you know you you call the cops i don't
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believe that it's going to change in society and in places that the police are not responding right now
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and like i mean some of the states are complete disaster yeah you're going to uh you know your
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criminals will find a way to climb up to the top so i mean we're in a definitely in a very delicate
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stage right now yeah and i was just thinking as you were talking about greta tinberg uh using her
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private security force to get handsy with kian bexty in sweden um so she she didn't care about
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um overuse of force back then when it was protecting her from um pesky questions from a pesky reporter
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um i wanted to ask you about trans mountain because um there was just a very small actually
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when you don't measure it in teaspoons the way the media is doing um uh very small leak they caught
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it very early in abbotsford at the sumus pump station um if you read the headlines 150 000 liters
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of oil the company says well that's about 940 barrels so that's actually really small they caught
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it really early it's quick cleanup actually i think it's already cleaned up um it was just um like two
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days worth of cleanup and it's ready to go um but now the activists are using this as a reason to
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stop the twinning of that pipeline with a new state of the art version of the same pipeline there
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they're mad because a 60 year old pipeline leaked and so that is for some reason they think that's a
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reason to stop the upgrade of the pipeline into something far more state of the art you know um
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honestly that pipeline is an amazing accomplishment i mean you're going to have the odd spill here and
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there the fact that they caught it and fixed it immediately and the lives keep going as normal and
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british columbia who benefited the millions and millions of dollars that that pipeline has brought them
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in prosperity um are they it to me it's it's such a non-issue fix it um build a new pipeline get
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become better at it um we are at a state where you know if we don't finish this pipeline and get our oil
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to markets we will gradually gradually you know slowly see ourselves fall apart as a country um i'm
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i'm concerned you know i mean if we want an economic recovery from the coronavirus
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or covid19 we have to rebuild our economy and oil is the best way to do that so they're going to be
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crybabies over any little thing over and over again um what i would say though is they should
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watch michael moore's documentary planet of the humans and if they want to cry about something they
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can cry about the mass devastation that so-called green energy causes the amount of birds that die
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bats that die insects that die because of it um if they actually cared about improving the world they
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would uh not just focus on a pipeline who has ran almost perfectly for 60 years now i wanted to ask
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you um it's interesting that you brought up jobs because that was the next next thing i want to talk
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to you about um the jobs numbers are in for the fort mcmurray region and um they're not good um because of the
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the coronavirus shutdown plus negative oil prices um fort mcmurray wood buffalo region lost 2600 jobs
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in may um it's the highest unemployment since april 2016 is the community feeling that do you think
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yeah um we're in a weird space like you know we have the flood and then we've had the little oil
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prices and then you had covet 19 um still recovering from the wildfire um i i don't even know how to
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gauge it or where to start i do know that some businesses are booming and there's some people
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doing stuff and and slowly but surely we are getting that you know getting a handle on things here
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i'm optimistic i do think that oil is going to go up fairly quickly and i think that you know once this
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covet stuff is over you'll see us come back and i and i also see for see a little bit of a tourism
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boom because there's gonna be a lot of local tourism in alberta now because people are going too far
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so i'm hoping we can benefit from that but uh yeah like i mean we've been it's hard sheila like it's
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hard to gauge because we've just been through so much all the time like you know it's a little blurb
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here a little blurb there but what i will say though is like you know um if we you know i'm confident
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if they get that pipeline going that you'll see some boom here you'll see some projects because
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your capacity will go up and you'll see more projects start um a couple of final things how
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do you feel about greta tinberg getting a spider named after her she's been the time person of the
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year now she's got a special spider named after her oh my god is it a black widow
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i don't know what kind of yarn it spins but uh it's something to do with climate change yeah
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they've named a spider in indonesia after this kid um she hasn't even graduated high school i don't get
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it i don't understand the fascination with her because she's i mean when you speak there's not a
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lot of i don't think she's brilliant i think i would mop the floor with her in a debate any day
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uh i think most people would i don't think she can handle i think she's a spoiled little child
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child who's slightly narcissistic who has fits when she doesn't get her way and if you question her
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or throw her off i think she's like i mean even when i saw what kian did i mean it's not she'd like
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i mean at that age i could have art my little foster sisters i mean they could out argue me at 16 no
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problem you know they were spunky and you could argue with them and question them with her she's
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she's protected with this glass bubble like you can't call her out you can't say anything negative
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about her but um i do think people are catching on to her i think that the world is kind of tired
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of her but i mean we have to be honest she has a massive platform and the media picks up on what
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she says so i mean as much as we'd like her 15 minutes to be over it's not and i don't i think
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she's one of those people will be around for quite a while tweeting and chiming in on things that are
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far far beyond her comprehension um one last thing tides canada yeah the um anti-oil charity
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that doesn't actually do charity work they've rebranded themselves to be called make way um
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because they're tired of people um defining who they are and what they do um i guess through evidence
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and tax records and and things like the uh tar sands campaign they've rebranded themselves do you
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think that has to do with activism by people like you because i firmly believe that they have been
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forced after 20 some odd years to change who they are um and try to whitewash their history because of
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activism like people like you from people like you which means that while you might not be moving
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the needle policy-wise however i think with jason kenney in charge that's changing um you are um forcing
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the anti-oil movement to uh try to memory hole their own history
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you notice periodically like they they i guess the other side they try and they do do that often
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they change their name they or they start a new group periodically i'm not surprised by it i think
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tides has become quite a negative brand um they come up all the time tides tides tides um
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i you know the the the campaign against the tar sands i think it's unfortunate that when it first came
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out when i guess when ezra pointed it out a long time ago that it didn't take the we didn't all rally
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behind it to stop it or call it out then but yeah i imagine i mean i i believe our advocacy has had a
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massive effect um on our side it's unfortunate that you don't have more advocates in the actual seats
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that you know pay the bucks and that we need to you know um people like me have to like you know
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subsidize our advocacy through you know doing videos or um through our businesses but it is what
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it is um but yes we've made a major difference i mean the rallies that we did across this country
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build that pipe build that pipe calling people out standing up to jane fonda and even signing up to
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support a berman who you know i mean she's been a lot quieter since that lovely press conference but
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at the same time i mean she still got two million dollars to uh grant to study how to stop uh you
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know to to cancel fossil fuels on a different front i do believe that we need to look closer at
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municipalities um we've been focused provincially and federally but locally um our mayors and our
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local offices i do think that that i mean the other side they're they're very intelligent they yeah what
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they do is they get into politics they become staffers they become they colonize everything
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yep yeah they like i mean i know of uh you know of an indigenous group and i didn't even realize it
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but they you know they the guy that came and then they hired all the staff like i mean all of a sudden
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like there's all these people from you know they were they're not really part of this indigenous group
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but they they were all hired a staff so i mean definitely it's definitely you know worth looking at for
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sure but i also for my organization oil and gas strong i i'm trying to go back to being a little
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bit more non-partisan than i was i found myself weaning a little right and i want to try and just
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you know remind people that you know no matter where who you vote for the benefit of oil and gas for you
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personally and feeding your family and feeding your grandkids and stability as a country um benefits us
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all and i and i i mean i i don't believe that it's ever been about uh oil sands or climate change i
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think you're seeing it now it there's a narrative to move us towards of socialism or um you know it's
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like communism and and it's very unfortunate because um i we have a really good right now we do even now
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you know i mean covet 19 i mean look look people still got two grand a month i mean businesses got
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money i mean it could be way worse it could be way way way worse you know and yet we are completely
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you know completely hell-bent on destroying you know what's working capitalism works in this country
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we're very lucky to live here and i mean it could be improved i'm terrified um
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um i'm just terrified of the of the lack of lack of accountability for one's own actions
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and this notion that you know you're somehow responsible for everything that has gone wrong
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it's not your fault and so i i i do believe that you need to own your own actions and i think that that
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that's what we need to focus on as a society and um if we just got our all to market you know we'd have
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more jobs and if we took our i mean look at the wealth of saudi arabia look at the wealth of norway
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if we act we have we are far superior country to them in so many ways if we just said look like we're
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we're no longer going to you know be treated like we're not valuable and like the stephen harper said
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like you know like we're a world energy superpower imagine the country we could have but i mean i don't
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know if we'll ever get to that point robbie thank you for being so generous with your time i want
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to give you a chance to let everybody know where they can get those amazing sweatshirts that sometimes
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people will see me wearing on air um for from oil and gas strong and how they can support the work that
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you do because i firmly believe you've scared tides canada so much they had to change their name and
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they get millions and millions and millions of dollars to do the work that that they do when
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you do it on a shoestring budget and you brought those people to their knees so please tell people
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how they can support you so we just upgraded our website go to oilandgasstrong.com or oilsandstrong.com
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bear in mind there's a few little tweaks to it um but um we're it looks pretty good actually and uh yeah
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and then just uh like us on our facebook page oil and gas strong on facebook that's great robbie
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is that everything yeah perfect also follow you on twitter because you could use some uh twitter
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yeah my twitter's never been my strong never twitter's never been my strong suit i have moments of
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where i do well on twitter so i'm on twitter um at robbie picard and then at oil sand strong
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i think it's picard robbie actually maybe that's why you're not getting followers you're giving
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out the wrong twitter account picard robbie cool thank you yes thanks robbie we'll have you on the
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show really really soon thanks awesome thanks if there's one thing i know about the mainstream media
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it's that they don't like to learn they will rush to judge because that judgment lines up with their own
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political narrative let's look back at the covington catholic school boys those boys were painted as
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white male privileged because of a short clip of them standing face to face with an indigenous
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man protester at the march for life last year but once the full context
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of the video came in the boys were not the white privileged perpetrators but rather the peaceful
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stoic victims of aggression and the media well they're paying the full price for that as the
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lawsuits from those boys roll in because the mainstream media rushed to ruin their reputations
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because what the media thought was happening completely lined up with their anti-male anti-pro-life anti-religious
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narrative they just wanted it to be true so much so that they just couldn't wait till all the facts were
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revealed and that's what i'm trying to do right now i'm willing to be open-minded with what happened to
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chief alan adam but i want all the facts on the table before i make the decision about whether
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this was good cops or an aggressive chief and i hope i hope my media colleagues do the same but
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you know what they probably won't well everybody that's the show for tonight thank you so much for
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tuning in i'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week and remember
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don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think