First Wendy Mesley, now Jessica Mulroney： Leftist cancel culture is devouring its own
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Wendy Mesley, Jessica Mulroney, Wendy Messley, Meghan Markle, and Peter Mansbridge. They are just a few of the many people who have been let go for being a woke ally of the left.
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Hello, my rebels. Today, I try to go through the cancel culture that is just racking the world.
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Trouble is, I only have, what, half an hour. I go through about 50 examples, including
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Wendy Mesley. Couldn't happen to a nicer person. That's ahead, but before I get there,
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Tonight, first, Wendy Mesley. Now, Ben Mulroney's wife. Leftist cancel culture is devouring its own.
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It's June 12th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my
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bloody right to do so. I'm not that into the scene, but if you're a young, hip woman in Canada,
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you might have come across Jessica Mulroney. As her last name suggests, she married into the
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Mulroney family. Her husband is Ben Mulroney, who has had a successful career in similar pop and
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fashion media. Nothing heavy, nothing political, lots of shiny teeth and tan skin. Jessica Mulroney
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had a TV show of her own and gigs with big brands like Hudson's Bay. The two of them were as close
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as Canada gets to a glamorous media couple, I guess, and they dabbled in the U.S. media too.
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And in recent years, Jessica Mulroney also became known as a PR woman for Meghan Markle,
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the American divorcee who married Prince Harry and pretty much pulled him out of the royal family,
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but not before pressing him to use his connections to promote her career. It's so gross. Remember this?
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Well, that's over. Jessica Mulroney was sacked by CTV.
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She needs to be a better white ally, they said. Jessica Mulroney isn't doing enough for diversity
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in black voices, they said. So her show is being cancelled and the back episodes, I think they've
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been deleted too. I say again, Mulroney was the quarterback for Meghan Markle's woke battle
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against that old white Queen Elizabeth. Markle is half black, of course, and with Mulroney's help,
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she's been bashing everything about the royal family and frankly, everything about Britain.
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I guess it wasn't woke enough, though, to get her a pass. Jessica Mulroney is out. Lost her show,
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lost her sponsorship gigs. Here's Hudson's Bay saying Mulroney isn't woke enough for them either.
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She's dumped. It's bad being fired. I was fired once a long time ago. It's not fun. But being fired
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for being racist? Well, that's tough to come back from because it's like it's the last word about you.
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It comes to define you. You were obviously too racist for everyone who knew you, so how could
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you be hired by someone else? It's a disaster. It's a life sentence in a way. But what's remarkable
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here is just how woke Jessica Mulroney was. I mean, she's a fancy person as close as we get to Hollywood
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up here. She's pretty. She has fancy friends and she's the chief assistant to woke Meghan Markle.
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Just sacked, depersoned, deleted from history. Who cares if she's a Mulroney?
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It's like this. This famous photo of Stalin that was an airbrush to remove someone who became,
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well, inconvenient. They were unpersoned for whatever reason. Airbrushed out.
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So Jessica Mulroney has just been airbrushed out of history too. Sorry, you were woke, but just not
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woke enough. Oh, and Wendy Messley too. Peter Mansbridge's ex who was given a CBC show out of some sort of
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nepotism in the retirement plan for her. She was fired from her show for saying a bad word about
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black people. Wendy Messley suspended from hosting after using careless language in discussing racial
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issue. Neither host nor CBC's head of public affairs clarified what word was used. Gee, I wonder
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what word that would be. Here's Wendy Messley herself. She says, this is a word that no one like me
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should ever use. I made a big mistake and I promised to change my behavior. Yeah, that's not how it works,
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Wendy. You're canceled. And you know about being canceled because your career in its twilight has
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been on this bizarre, obscure show that specialized in trying to get other people canceled. So it's weird.
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So instead of interviewing, interviewing important newsmakers with strong opinions and newsworthy
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ideas, instead of talking to them about ideas, she specialized in digging through someone's old
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social media comments, trying to find a gotcha thing to ambush them with. Remember when Jordan
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Peterson was on a show? This was when he had the biggest book in the English world, a bestseller in
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every country. He was drawing literally thousands of people a night to hear his speeches. He was an idea
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shaper. And wacky Wendy just thought it was a gotcha moment. Remember that?
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I'm just wondering why you would choose to be in this photo.
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Well, I've probably had my photo taken with five or six thousand people in the last few or so.
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No, but this is with a Pepe flag. I understand that.
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I mean, you know that this is now seen as a symbol for the alt.
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Well, I did a video online called The Metaphysics of Pepe. And people are waiting. Well, they're
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waiting with things like this to say, look, well, you made a mistake here. It's like,
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yeah, well, I've done like 10,000 things in the last year and maybe I made a mistake.
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So weak, so lame, trying to de-platform and cancel people. Now she's de-platformed and
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canceled, except that unlike Jordan Peterson or Maxime Bernier, who she also tried it on,
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neither of them actually are racist. But apparently White Wendy drops the N-word around the office
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and didn't know what was wrong. Well, live by the sword, die by the sword.
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And same for the terribly woke J.K. Rowling, author of the kids' fantasy fiction books about
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wizards and whatever, Harry Potter. Favorite book for liberal millennials, only book for liberal
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millennials, really. She made a billion dollars and then had a post-author career, sort of revising
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the history of many of her characters. Oh, did you know this one was actually black and this one was
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actually gay or whatever? It was sort of weird, but it was her way of being progressive.
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But then she made the mistake of saying that biological women are different from
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men who transition to women, trans women. Yeah, no, canceled. Even by those losers that
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she turned into millionaire stars, like this guy. Daniel Radcliffe hopes J.K. Rowling trans
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tweets don't taint Harry Potter. Transgender women are women, the actor wrote. Any statement
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to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people. So you might think it's a bit
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of mansplaining for some little twerp to tell a woman who is and isn't a woman. But you see,
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transgenderism trumps being a woman. Sorry, J.K. Rowling, you're canceled too. And woke company
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started bashing her too. Here's the body shop. Hey, J.K. Rowling, here's something we made earlier.
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We thought you might like one. We've also popped in a vegan bath bomb and a copy of Trans Rights
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for you to read in the bath. Yeah, nothing's more woke than the body shop. You know who owns them?
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They're an 11 billion dollar multinational corporation headquartered in Brazil telling
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a woman to shut up about women. Here's a picture of their board of directors from a few years ago
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they found online. They're woke. J.K. Rowling is canceled because they're right about who a woman
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is and who isn't. Oh, and also canceled the editorial pages editor of the New York Times.
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He was a very woke liberal. You have to be. But he was fired. Canceled because he dared to publish an
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op-ed from a sitting U.S. senator that called for more law enforcement during the riots. An opinion
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supported by more than 70 percent of Americans. Supported by most black Americans too, by the way.
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And even if it wasn't a popular opinion, you know, newspapers sometimes do publish dissenting points
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of view too. Minority opinions too. Yeah, no. The guy who commissioned it was fired. You know,
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John Cleese, you know him from the British comedy troupe Monty Python? Terribly woke. Always tweeting
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against Donald Trump, against conservatives. Too bad. So sad. Not enough. He's gone too. Look at this.
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Faulty Towers. Don't mention the war episode removed from UK TV. It's pretty funny. I don't know if you ever
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saw Faulty Towers. He plays a British hotel manager and a bunch of German tourists come to visit
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and he keeps telling the staff, don't mention the war. Don't mention the war. Did you ever see it?
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Take a look. Are these Germans too? Oh, yes, but I can do it. Right, right. Here's the plan. I'll stand
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there and ask them if they want something to drink before the war. Before their lunch.
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Yeah, gone. Poof. Just gone. Same with the British show called Little Britain because some of their
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skits are in blackface. Just deleted. Gone from Netflix. Gone with the Wind has been deleted from HBO.
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Did you know that? It's too bad, really. The first black woman to ever win an Oscar won it in that
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movie. Hattie McDaniel was the name. I guess her black life doesn't really matter. A lot of cops
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shows have been canceled, too, for some reason. I'm not sure how that works. You know, these days,
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so many cop shows feature black police officers, often in senior positions. In fact, I'm having
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trouble thinking of a police show on the air today that doesn't feature a black cop, almost always in a
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lovable or admirable or respectable role. The hero of the show, not just as a criminal. So I'm not sure
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how it's going to work if you're banning cop shows. But hey, there's no rhyme or reason here. Everything's
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being canceled. Deplatformed. I showed you the other day, Abraham Lincoln, liberator of four million
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slaves. He's a racist, obviously. Vandalized the statue. Churchill, the man who, as much as anyone,
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defeated Nazi Germany. Well, they're calling him a racist now. Yeah, mate, black lives matter to
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Hitler, just not in the way that you think those words mean. A pretty good thing for black lives
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that Churchill was there to fight Hitler, don't you think? They defaced Churchill's statue in London
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last week. The rioters did, that is, spray paint. But now the mayor is defacing it again, literally
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putting a big wooden box around it. A coffin, really. Why not station a policeman there instead,
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or soldiers or veterans, to guard the statue? Whatever. Why not guard it? This is official
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government vandalism. Putting a box around it? It's actually much more effective than the rioters
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and the spray painters. Put it in a coffin, you can't even see it. I don't know if that's actually
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going to stop motivated rioters from destroying the statues, even if they're in a coffin. I mean,
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what's to stop people from smashing the coffin, then smashing the statue. Here's one the other
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day in the United States, they pulled it down, and it happened to crush one of the guys who was
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pulling it down, by the way. That's sort of like if a lumberjack doesn't know what he's doing,
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and shouts timber and the tree falls on him. Yeah, I tell you, you need a heart of stone,
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not to at least chuckle at the irony here. I understand that the rioter is now in serious
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condition, but still, can you enjoy this? I guess whoever that soldier was who was turned
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into a statue, I guess he claimed one more victim, the racist. That's terrible.
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They tore down the statue of Christopher Columbus in Minnesota. I'm not sure what that has to do
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with Black Lives Matter or police brutality in Minneapolis. Columbus is an Italian-American
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icon. Columbus Day is sort of the Italian-American National Day. I had the good fortune to be in
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New York City last Columbus Day, and I saw the parade. It's a big moment for Italian-Americans.
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It's sort of like their version of the Irish St. Patrick's Day, really. I actually, that's where
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I actually first met, first saw Andrew Cuomo, the governor. He was in the parade. Here's Governor
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Cuomo talking about that. Christopher Columbus, I understand the dialogue that's been going on
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for a number of years. The Christopher Columbus statue represents, in some ways, the Italian-American
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legacy in this country and the Italian-American contribution in this country. I understand the
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feelings about Christopher Columbus and some of his acts, which nobody would support. But the statue
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was, has come to represent and signify appreciation for the Italian-American contribution to New York.
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Well, I'm glad he's not actually throwing his own people in the garbage can this time, but I notice
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he's been silent on every other historical desecration and on the burning down of his prized city, New York.
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There's really no one who's spared by this platform, de-platforming, cancel culture. It's like a Maoist
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cultural revolution. Everyone's going to get it. It'll come for you. Weirdly, a group of Hollywood
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B-listers did one of those awful, cringy videos where they all look into the camera and don't wear
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any makeup and try to be really woke. Who thinks those are ever a good idea? Here's a bunch of liberals
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in Hollywood denouncing themselves. Before they are denounced by others, they thought they would do it
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I take responsibility for every unchecked moment, for every time it was easier to ignore than to call
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it out for what it was, every not so funny joke, every unfair stereotype, every blatant injustice,
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no matter how big or small, every time I remained silent, every time I explained away police brutality
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I take responsibility. Black people are being slaughtered in the streets, killed in their own
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homes. These are our brothers and sisters, our friends, our family. We are done watching them die.
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We are no longer bystanders. We will not be idle. Enough is enough.
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I will no longer allow an unchecked moment. I will no longer allow racist, hurtful words, jokes,
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stereotypes, no matter how big or small, to be uttered in my presence.
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I will not turn a blind eye. Going for a job should not be a death sentence. Sleeping in your own home
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should not be a death sentence. Playing video games with your nephew should not be a death sentence.
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Shopping in a store should not be a death sentence. Business as usual should not be life-threatening.
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I stand against hate. I stand against hate. I stand against hate. I stand against hate. I stand
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against hate. I will stand against hate in love. I will make my presence known. And killer cops must
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be prosecuted. They are murderers. We can turn the tide. It is time to take responsibility. Call out hate.
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I listened to that. You know what I thought? I thought, you actually did all those things? You
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were silent when you heard bigoted comments? You really were a party to all that? Oh my God,
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you actually are awful people. Seriously. I mean, between Harvey Weinstein pretending he was a
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feminist but actually being a serial rapist, and Hollywood's lovies pretending to be woke but now
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confessing to all this racism? It's shocking that we look up to them at all. They really are the worst
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people. I've never in my entire life, and I've traveled widely, I've never encountered people
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like that. I mean, other than Justin Trudeau, do you actually know anyone in real life who's worn
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blackface in that mocking way? So many times that he can't even count. I've been a lot of places,
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I've never even heard of it. Everyone's just being fired these days, just for good measure.
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Even on talk shows that are supposed to talk about things. You can't talk about things on talk
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shows, didn't you know? Look at this. Nigel Farage was fired from his talk show in the UK for
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criticizing Black Lives Matter. Stockwell Day was sacked from the CBC as an opinion commentator for
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having the wrong opinions. The corporate boards he was on sacked him too. Not a lot of courage in
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either place. I mean, if they'll fire Wendy Mesley, they surely wouldn't hesitate to fire the former
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leader of the Canadian Alliance. Rex Murphy, his fellow staff are trying to get him fired from his own
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newspaper, his own staff. They say he, quote, certainly should not be allowed to declare that
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racism is over, nor be given a national platform to do so. And his editors started to throw him under
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the bus today, putting an editor's note under his column saying it wasn't properly reviewed.
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Huh. You know, I thought the pages, the opinion pages of a newspaper were for debating things, were for
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disagreement. Here's a white journalist named Mason Wright. He's the head of the Unifor Union at the
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Globe and Mail. I say again, he's white. But his letter here is condemning the Globe and Mail's
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management for being white. He's calling for his white bosses to step down. I'm not sure why he isn't
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stepping down himself, though, because as I mentioned, he's white as the boss of the Union. Step aside,
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I guess it will fall to someone else to de-platform him. After he de-platforms others,
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someone will de-platform him like dominoes, I suppose.
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Ryerson University here in Toronto that has a journalism school here in Toronto now has a petition to take
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down the statue of Mr. Ryerson because 150 years ago he ran residential schools in Canada. I'd like to
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show sympathy for Ryerson, but like Jessica Mulroney and Wendy Mesley or the rioter who had that statue fall
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in his head, it's a little hard to muster the sympathy. I mean, Ryerson teaches grudges and
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grievances and victimology all day long to its students. Are they surprised when that lesson has
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been learned? I haven't even begun to cover the list of prominent people who've been cancelled in the
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past two weeks. There are dozens. Even this week I spoke to a feminist professor at the U of A,
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very left-wing woman at a very left-wing school, who says she's about to be sacked. She's certain of it
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because she believes trans women are not the same as biological women. She's making the J.K. Rowling
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mistake, the monster of grievance theory of victimology. It's going to eat everything and
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everyone. Well, not quite everyone yet. Sarah Silverman, the Democratic Party activist and left-wing
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scold, who actually used to be one of the funniest comedians in Hollywood. Well, she hasn't been fired
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yet for blackface. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that she's a Democrat.
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Jimmy Kimmel went far beyond blackface. He did the full Trudeau, top-to-bottom black, and then he
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put on a weird accent, too, just in case you missed it.
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Yeah! Sometime at night, Karl Malone will look up in the sky and say,
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what the hell going on up there? Do UFO live on other planets, phoning home like E.T.? Karl Malone
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will read on TV about white people getting deducted by aliens, sticking all kind of hell up their butt,
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and that's a damn thing. That mumbling is a wonderful touch, don't you think?
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What an ally he is. Why hasn't he been cancelled? Oh, right. Democrat, right? Here's Joy Behar from
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The View in blackface. I think she looks rather pretty that way, don't you? Why hasn't she been
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cancelled? Oh, right, right, right. She's a Democrat. So I guess not everyone has to worry yet.
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Hey, you know, apropos of nothing, I've never been to Mount Rushmore. Never been. I think I might try
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and visit it sooner rather than later, one of these days. Really, really soon, actually. Get that
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bucket list item done sooner than planned, actually. Just in case. Stay with us for a moment.
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Welcome back. Well, I have to tell you, ever since I've been tracking the immigration debate in this
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country, it has been clear the entire time that Canadian public opinion wants less immigration.
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They absolutely don't want more immigration, and yet every single year they get more immigration.
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That's caused a number of problems, but those problems have become more acute
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during the coronavirus pandemic and the political reaction to it. I showed you this slide the other
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day. Trevor Tombi, an economist in Alberta, has published what he calls the effective unemployment rate.
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It's not just people who have completely lost their jobs, but those who have been dramatically
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scaled back. And the effective unemployment rate for many provinces, including Ontario,
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is in the high 20% range. That's Great Depression-level unemployment. And yet, despite that,
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Trudeau appears dead set on bringing in a record number of immigrants, as well as a record number of
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temporary foreign workers, deliberately bringing in lower-paid foreign workers to
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undercut the prevailing wage. So what do you think the polls would look like today? They were
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overwhelming before the pandemic. What are they like now? Well, we don't have to speculate. We can
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actually check. Our friend Candice Malcolm from True North commissioned a poll, just released it,
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and I am delighted to welcome her to the show now. Candice, great to see you again.
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Thanks for having me, Ezra. Well, it is a pleasure. It's always nice to see you. And today you bring
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with you scientific, statistically valid polling on something that I bet Justin Trudeau is polling
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about very hard, but certainly not releasing the polls. Why don't you tell us a little bit about how
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you decided to commission this poll, and then we'll jump into it. Now, there's a lot in here,
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but you suggested some of the most interesting stuff starts at page five. So we'll do that. But first,
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give me a little background. Why did you pull the trigger on this poll now?
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Well, sure, Ezra. I mean, I think I'm like you. I'm always paying attention to public opinion and
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data on immigration. I'm kind of a nerd when it comes to immigration data, and I like sifting
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through historic models and looking at recent public opinion. And I was just kind of curious,
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because there's this idea now that Canadian borders are closed. Justin Trudeau made a big
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announcement in March saying that they were stopping all non-essential travel from the United States
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and from the rest of the world. And I think a lot of people have the idea that our borders are closed.
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Well, they're not. They're only really closed to travelers and tourists. But we've still had
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large numbers of temporary foreign workers coming into Canada, and immigrants and international students
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and all kinds of other people coming as well, about half a million since March. So anyway,
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I was just kind of interested, and I had an opportunity with a friend who's a pollster who was doing
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another survey. So I just tagged on a couple of questions of our own, trying to find out what Canadians
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think right now about both immigration levels and temporary foreign worker program, and the idea of doing
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a total moratorium, what I call a pause, on all immigration. And Ezra, I've never seen anything like it.
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I've never seen such an overwhelming consensus in agreement of putting a pause on immigration. So 76% of
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all Canadians polled said, yes, I either strongly agree or moderately agree with the idea that all Canada's immigration
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programs should be paused until a vaccine is developed for the coronavirus or the coronavirus threat
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passes, and until the economy recovers and some of those, you know, 20-some percent of Canadians who
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are out of work get back into the workforce, find their old jobs or create new jobs. And again, I've never
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seen anything like it. So I think it's definitely interesting, and there's a lot to unpack if we
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Yeah, it's incredible. I have to say, I'm actually not that surprised. I like to refer to the Angus
00:24:53.080
Reid poll, because he asks questions that are a little bit more prickly than your normal media party
00:24:57.960
pollsters, and his numbers doesn't surprise me. I mean, the number of people who he measures want to
00:25:03.560
increase immigration, which is what Trudeau always proposes, is 4%, if I recall from his last poll. So
00:25:11.000
let's go through yours. I have it here on my screen, and we'll show it at the same time to our viewers at
00:25:15.800
home. There's so much data in here, and this is such a good poll. It's broken down. I just want
00:25:20.520
to tell our viewers, sample size 1,000, margin of error plus or minus 4.4 percent survey in English
00:25:27.000
and French. So it's a quality poll. The whole thing is available at tnc.news. Am I right?
00:25:31.400
Yes, that's right. And the poll was conducted between June 3rd and June 6th.
00:25:36.120
Okay, so it's very recent. Okay, so let's go through it. I'm on page five,
00:25:40.360
and folks can follow along at home. We have it on the screen, or you can go to tnc.news. That's
00:25:45.480
Candace's website. Canada should temporarily pause immigration until a vaccine is developed for
00:25:52.520
coronavirus, and the unemployment rate drops down to pre-coronavirus levels. And you can see
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for all of Canada, as Candace just said, 76% agree, of whom 46% agree very strongly. Only 7%
00:26:09.640
strongly disagree. That's amazing. And Ezra, that's not lowering numbers, right? That's a complete
00:26:16.680
moratorium, a complete pause on every single immigration program, every single class of
00:26:22.120
immigration, every type of immigration. So again, I don't think that a question like this has really
00:26:27.000
been put to the public. Maybe it has, but never asking so strongly for a pause and to have that.
00:26:32.920
And again, you know, across all regions, it's not just, typically we see more support for a
00:26:38.600
reduction in immigration in places like Alberta and Western Canada, and more openness in places
00:26:43.800
like Quebec, Ontario and Atlantic Canada. But even here, you see, you know, almost 50%, 49% of people
00:26:49.720
in Ontario strongly agree with the idea, and another 28% moderately agree. So you see it across the board,
00:26:56.760
and then when you go over and you look at the difference between men and women, young and old,
00:27:02.600
again, there's just sort of a very broad consensus. Actually, it's interesting, women
00:27:08.200
were even more in support of this than men. Women between age 35 and 54, sort of middle-aged women,
00:27:15.880
56% strongly agreed and 30% moderately agree. So you got, you know, 86% of women in that middle-aged
00:27:23.640
category saying stop immigration, which is, which is pretty remarkable.
00:27:27.640
Yeah. I mean, this is an outstanding graph and we're showing it on the screen. We'll put it back
00:27:31.880
up on the screen now. And folks, I encourage you to go to tnc.news just to download it and really
00:27:37.080
look through it slowly. You've broken it down by region, by sex and by age. And I'm looking at all
00:27:43.160
those bars. There's a lot of bars on the screen, but the one that's second to the right, that's what
00:27:48.840
you were talking about there. Women between 35 and 54. Let's call those people moms.
00:27:54.440
Right. 86%. That's the highest number in the entire demographic mix. I should say,
00:28:03.160
both Ontario and Quebec are exactly the same, 77%. So English Canada, French Canada, this really,
00:28:10.520
I've never seen any question that is unifying, but for moms, moms are saying, get this fixed.
00:28:16.360
Right. And only 1% strongly disagreed. And you have to assume, I mean, I was looking at the data,
00:28:24.680
almost 10 million Canadians have come to this country, have immigrated since 1990. So in the
00:28:29.000
past 30 years. So you have to assume, we didn't include whether or not you're an immigrant, but in
00:28:34.840
my experience, immigrants are often the strongest proponents of cracking down on illegal immigration
00:28:40.440
and lowering immigration levels. And so, you know, you also have to assume that there's probably
00:28:44.360
a representation of newcomers and immigrants who also fall into these categories. And
00:28:49.480
you generally agree with, with all Canadians. Yeah. I want to jump ahead to page eight of the
00:28:54.040
poll because I find this very interesting. This measures by political affiliation. So what do
00:29:00.840
conservative voters think? What do liberal voters think? And you can see there, it won't shock people,
00:29:07.000
that fully 89% of conservatives support the immigration pause. But look at the right-hand side
00:29:16.280
there. That is the Bloc Québécois. And the number there, I'm just quickly adding up to 48%.
00:29:23.000
There you go. Wow. That is just unbelievable. And zero percent strongly disagree. The Green Party,
00:29:31.960
that's a tiny little party. They, but even they, 66% want the pause. The NDP,
00:29:38.760
left-wing party, but even they, 65% want the pause. Even the Liberals, 67% of Liberals want
00:29:47.480
a pause. Only 9% of Liberals are strongly against it. That's amazing to me. How, here's the big
00:29:55.160
question that I've always wondered. If men and women, young and old, East and West, Liberal and
00:30:02.360
Conservative, if this, I mean really there is no, there's no one on the other side of this. There's
00:30:07.560
different degrees of ardor. But everyone wants a pause, so how come we're not getting in our political
00:30:12.680
system? Well, I mean, I just want to go back to that one point quickly, because you're 67%. So
00:30:18.120
two thirds of people who cast their ballot for Justin Trudeau just, you know, six months ago,
00:30:22.520
eight months ago in the 2019 federal election, want to stop immigration entirely. So maybe Justin
00:30:28.520
Trudeau should pay attention to that and, and think twice before he, you know, name calls and denigrates
00:30:33.400
and, and calls people racist just because they disagree with him on immigration. And, and Ezra,
00:30:38.440
to the idea of, of, you know, why isn't any political party listening? Well, to the four
00:30:42.840
people running for leader of the Conservative Party, you know, 89% of your party wants a total
00:30:48.440
pause on immigration. That would probably be a good place to start in terms of public policy. I don't
00:30:53.720
think any of those Conservatives from, from my reading, have the courage to go ahead and say
00:31:00.040
something else. I know Maxine Bernier is pretty on board. He was sharing the survey and tweeting it out.
00:31:04.840
But interestingly, Ezra, if you look back at Canadian history, if you go back to the past,
00:31:09.400
you know, 150 years of immigration numbers, which Statistics Canada records all the way back to 1850,
00:31:15.800
what you see is, is sort of peaks and valleys on a graph in terms of the immigration intake. So,
00:31:21.960
you know, we had years where we'd let in a whole bunch of people, hundreds of thousands of people
00:31:25.880
coming into Canada. And then that would always be followed by a period where the numbers would just go
00:31:30.440
all the way down. And whether that was during a war or during an economic crisis, there'd be
00:31:34.600
four or five years where next to no one was allowed into Canada, and that would give us an opportunity
00:31:39.720
to, you know, integrate newcomers for them to get used to life in Canada and to form a Canadian
00:31:45.080
identity. But for the last 30 years, since 1990, we've just had a sustained growth every year,
00:31:50.440
more and more and more, starting at 200,000. Now we're up to 350,000 new permanent residents a year.
00:31:56.360
I think Canadians are saying, hey, you know, let's go back to historically what has made Canada
00:32:01.560
successful in terms of immigration, which is taking breaks every now and then. Now,
00:32:05.320
right now is a perfect opportunity to take a break from immigration, to focus on our economy,
00:32:10.520
you know, focus on getting past the coronavirus threat, focus on making sure that newcomers who have
00:32:15.720
come have the services they need and feel like they're integrated members of the community.
00:32:20.680
And then, you know, maybe a couple of years from now, we can talk about it again. But I think right now,
00:32:24.280
Ezra is a really good opportunity for any political party to capitalize on this sentiment
00:32:32.200
Yeah. You know, in the last election, I mean, I should tell you that the last
00:32:36.440
interview I ever had with Andrew Scheer was about immigration. And I was pretty friendly. He came
00:32:42.760
into our studio. One of our co-founders, Hamish Marshall, was actually Andrew Scheer's campaign
00:32:48.520
manager. So we're very, very friendly. Andrew Scheer came in to our office and I started to say,
00:32:54.040
OK, and I was too friendly because I was excited he was there and, you know, I didn't want to be
00:32:59.640
rough with him. But I said, what what is the level of immigration you want? And I said, do you have any
00:33:05.560
views on the on the nature of immigration? I wasn't being pushy. I just wanted to pin him down.
00:33:10.440
I just want to show you a quick excerpt of that. I asked him five different ways and he refused to
00:33:17.000
answer five different times. You take a look at this. McCallum has said he's going to jack up the
00:33:21.800
numbers probably by 100,000. Do you oppose that? Well, what's that based on? You know, I don't know.
00:33:26.200
Yeah. So if it's not based on something logical or coherent, then I think it's just a political
00:33:30.840
target aimed at, you know, to trying to win over a segment of the electorate. I'm not going to
00:33:36.280
do that. One of the constraints. Are you against that? Well, I am against a policy that just
00:33:42.680
throws a number out for shock value to work for to try to gain attention. I want our immigration
00:33:47.560
policy to be be based on what the needs of the economy are, what the needs of our society. And
00:33:52.040
then let's arrive at a number. I don't know why he was afraid of it. But from that moment onwards,
00:33:56.520
he never actually said what his immigration level was until literally days before the election.
00:34:03.000
He didn't put it in his election platform. And then he was pressured into blurting something out
00:34:08.760
on a CBC town hall here. Remember, take a look at this. But you still didn't give a number and you
00:34:13.400
would have to set a target as government. That's part of your job is to set a government. So if a
00:34:18.520
level. So if the target right now is 350,000 immigrants by 2021, is that about what you're
00:34:23.800
looking at? I think that's reasonable. Yeah. And again, as long as that's coming from
00:34:28.040
from facts, from evidence, from a look at the situation and an understanding.
00:34:32.280
He literally just caved into the CBC and said, yeah, whatever, Justin Trudeau, I'm the same.
00:34:37.160
Candace, I have to say, you can choose a number and make the case for that number. And it doesn't
00:34:42.920
even have to be zero, which is what your poll shows. But the cowardliness there, it's not winning
00:34:49.560
over the open borders crowd. It's, I don't know, I just don't know why conservatives were afraid of it.
00:34:55.480
The one politician in Canada who stood on this issue, well, he happens to be the new premier
00:35:00.840
of Quebec, one of the most popular premiers in the country because of it. Sorry, I'm on a rant here.
00:35:05.400
But boy, this, if I was a conservative and wanted to win, this is pretty much half the battle.
00:35:10.200
Right. I think conservatives are just, I shouldn't say all conservatives. I think someone like Andrew
00:35:14.280
Scheer was just timid of upsetting the sort of elite political consensus on immigration, which Ezra has
00:35:20.360
always been that all immigration is good and therefore more immigration is always better.
00:35:26.120
But, but it's, it's so easy to make the case for the opposite. And it does require some political
00:35:31.320
courage to, you know, stand up to the Rosemary Bartons and the CBCs of the world and say, look,
00:35:36.680
just because it's what is, what's been happening for 30 years doesn't necessarily mean it's good for
00:35:41.560
the country. Even if you look, you know, the year that Justin Trudeau was elected, 2015,
00:35:46.360
Canada's immigration levels was about 250,000. Right now it's 350,000. So even for Andrew Scheer to
00:35:53.000
just say, look, no, we'd go back to what the levels were under the last conservative government,
00:35:56.760
that would be an easy enough question and it would probably pass the elite consensus on immigration
00:36:01.320
test. But, but he didn't even have the courage to do that, which I think is part of the reason why
00:36:05.320
he's not prime minister today. But again, I want to emphasize the fact that this is an opportunity for
00:36:10.200
conservatives, for a courageous conservative politician in this country to take an issue that has such
00:36:15.800
overwhelming consensus of support and push back a little bit against that mainstream
00:36:20.760
narrative on immigration. Yeah. You know, there's a few things out there where the people are all on
00:36:25.000
one side and the elites are all on the wrong side. Omar Khadr is a perfect example. All of official
00:36:30.920
Ottawa love the payout. They love the public apology. Normal Canadians said, you did what? And there's a few
00:36:37.800
issues every now and then where the, the, all the elites are completely on the wrong side. And this
00:36:44.600
is absolutely one of them. And your poll proves it. Listen, I've kept you very long here. Candace,
00:36:48.440
it's great to see you as always. We're super fans of yours and your whole team. And I've said it many
00:36:53.720
times. So let me say it again. If you are a subscriber and supporter of Rebel News, I think not only would you
00:37:00.600
be interested in what Candace and her team does at tnc.news, but frankly, if I may say so, it behooves
00:37:08.840
all of us to support like-minded, independent-minded journalists. Frankly, even if you don't even go to
00:37:15.560
the site, may I invite you to show your support for one of the few independent websites out there,
00:37:22.120
tnc.news. Of course, they're great anyways. But anytime I see a conservative author or conservative
00:37:27.880
website, I feel a moral obligation to subscribe because if we don't, who will? Because like us,
00:37:34.120
Candace doesn't take a dime from Trudeau. How's it going over there, by the way? We love Andrew
00:37:38.440
Lawton. He's got his new show. You got Anthony Feary. You got a great group of guys and gals.
00:37:42.760
Give us a quick update of how tnc.news is going. Well, sure. And as I really appreciate that plug,
00:37:48.760
and I think, you know, we feel the same way about the rebel and our friends over there. You guys are
00:37:52.440
always doing great work and really pushing the important issues, showing the hypocrisy of the Trudeau
00:37:57.480
government. And I think our supporters really appreciate that. So tnc.news, it's a website
00:38:03.960
that provides sort of conservative opinion podcasts. We do daily videos as well. And then we also have a
00:38:10.360
news section. So it provides sort of fact-based news stories that don't have the spin and the sort of
00:38:17.560
left-wing official talking points that the mainstream media pushes out. So we just try to provide sort of
00:38:23.720
the other side of the story, very similar to the rebel, but we do a lot of written news articles.
00:38:28.760
So check it out, tnc.news. We also do a lot of other things like, you know, we have a speaker series,
00:38:34.680
so we do long form interviews and podcasts and stuff like that. And I think very similarly to the rebel,
00:38:41.640
the idea is just that there's so many issues in Canada that the media and elite opinion is all on
00:38:47.800
one side and so many Canadians fall on the other. You know, you mentioned Omar Khadr. I thought of
00:38:52.840
another one, you know, the kneecap, when women coming from parts of the Middle East where they're
00:38:58.040
forced to wear face coverings and they wanted to wear face coverings even during Canadian citizenship
00:39:02.920
ceremonies. The polling on that issue was wild. It was like 98 percent of Canadians opposed it. And yet,
00:39:09.080
you know, all of the media and all the political parties took the other side. So there are a lot of
00:39:13.640
issues like that in Canada, Ezra, and I think it's so important for groups like True North and the
00:39:18.840
rebel to be pushing back against the sort of groupthink, cancel culture, nonsense narrative
00:39:24.520
that comes from the mainstream media. Yeah. I mean, literally today as we speak, I see
00:39:28.760
that the National Post is throwing Rex Murphy under the bus. They haven't fired him yet,
00:39:33.000
but they published a humiliating editor's note under his column saying they didn't properly edit him
00:39:38.440
when he said Canada is not systemically racist. I fear for anyone remaining in the mainstream media,
00:39:45.160
it's such a dangerous place if you think differently. Candace, I'll let you go because
00:39:49.960
I've kept you so long. Thank you for being so generous with your time. I really recommend this
00:39:54.360
poll for people because it proves what we sort of instinctively knew. And it's compelling. I would
00:40:02.120
hope a conservative politician takes it and runs with it. Take care, my friend. We'll look forward to
00:40:05.480
talking to you again soon. All right. Thanks, Ezra. Take care. Right on. There you have it. Candace
00:40:09.560
Malcolm. She's the boss at TNC.news, also called True North. All right. Stay with us. More ahead.
00:40:24.040
On my monologue last night, Paul writes, it's become pretty obvious to anyone paying attention
00:40:28.280
that the Chinese Communist government owns the Liberal Party of Canada, using them to destroy us.
00:40:32.360
Owns. You know, that's a metaphor. But when they actually own, by virtue of a mortgage,
00:40:40.920
two of the foreign minister's houses, it's actually literally true. Gary writes, regardless of whether
00:40:47.880
the foreign minister lied about his mortgage, he should never be a cabinet minister and own money
00:40:51.720
to a foreign government. This is like so many others in Trudeau government that have conflicts
00:40:55.080
of interest, which has made decisions based on personal interest and not Canadian interest. Well,
00:40:59.640
yeah. I mean, as I cited yesterday, there are so many banks in London. I think it's probably more
00:41:06.520
banks in London than anywhere in the world. I think. And they're ranked by how much mortgage
00:41:12.760
business they do measured by the value of their combined mortgages. And the Bank of China is ranked
00:41:19.080
not in the top 10, not in the top 20, 30, 40, it's ranked 53rd. They do 0.1% of the mortgage business in
00:41:26.520
London. You didn't stumble across them, but you didn't start your way and work down.
00:41:33.000
And don't tell me that a millionaire businessman working for a billionaire company in London
00:41:37.240
has trouble getting a mortgage. I don't believe it. I'm just not that dumb.
00:41:41.560
On my interview with Professor Lowry, Billy writes, I'm impressed in Ms. Lowry's support for
00:41:45.720
Rebel News inclusion with other media outlets. And above all, her bravery in accepting an interview
00:41:49.560
with you, Ezra. It's rare to see both sides come together in a common cause, especially these days
00:41:53.720
when there's so much hate towards people of different opinions. Kudos to you, Ms. Lowry.
00:41:58.680
Yeah. I didn't want to quarrel with her about the substance of what she said. I mean,
00:42:03.480
I would do that another day if that was the subject. I mean, we disagreed on some feminist issues,
00:42:08.360
on academia. She wanted to talk about Israel or something. But that wasn't why we had her on the
00:42:15.800
show. We talked to her on the show about the censorship mob that's coming for her at the
00:42:19.880
university. So I didn't really want to engage on the substance. And you know what I offered her,
00:42:24.680
and I meant it. If she gets in trouble at a university, absolutely we'll crowdfund her legal
00:42:29.080
offense. Absolutely. You know, we have to set the precedent. We have to build up a jurisprudence
00:42:35.240
that you can't sack someone for the wrong opinion. And these days it's usually conservatives who are
00:42:41.160
being sacked. The funny thing is she would be regarded as radical leftist just five years ago.
00:42:47.400
But now transgenderism is the radical, and she's the ultra-conservative who says,
00:42:53.160
no, women are women. Isn't that crazy? Her point of view five, ten years ago was as radical,
00:42:59.480
cutting edge as anything. Now she's the dinosaur like J.K. Rowling. Unbelievable.
00:43:05.240
Well, that's our show for today and for the week. Until next time,
00:43:08.120
on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, see you at home. Good night.