“For the first time in my life, I’m worried about anti-Semitism” in Canada — after United Church welcomes pro-terrorist group
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Why did the United Church of Canada allow a terrorist support group to hold a party in their facility honoring a terrorist? And why did the church allow it to be held in a prominent downtown Toronto church? Ezra Levant explains why.
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Hello, podcasters. Today, I talk about the United Church in Canada, which I suppose they
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have a lot of Unite, but they don't have a lot of church left in them. They were going
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to have a party for a Muslim terrorist murderer. They're going to celebrate his life. I'll
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All right, here's today's show. You're listening to a Rebel Media Podcast.
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Tonight, why did the United Church of Canada let a terrorist support group host an event
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on their premises? It's July 8th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
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The only thing I have to say to the government of a wire publisher is because it's my bloody right
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A major United Church in downtown Toronto agreed to let their facility be used to celebrate
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a Muslim terrorist. I'm not exaggerating or embellishing or giving my opinion. For this
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news, I couldn't rely on Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster. I had to learn about it from the
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foreign media, which of course is more independent. I have to learn a lot of things about Canada
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from the foreign media. That's what happens when Justin Trudeau rents out Canadian journalists
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for $600 million in a media bailout. You just can't trust them to tell you the real news
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anymore. So here's what the Jerusalem Post reports. They said,
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B'nai B'rith Canada slams church for assisting event honoring PFLP terrorists. Churches should
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be places of peace, not places where violence and or terror are glorified.
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B'nai B'rith, of course, refers to a Jewish service group. It's sort of like the Jewish
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Rotary Club. And let me read a little bit from the story for you.
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B'nai B'rith Canada has condemned a decision by Toronto's Trinity St. Paul's United Church to
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provide a space for an event that honors Gasson Canafani, a designated popular front for the
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liberation of Palestine terrorists. The event being hosted by the Palestinian Youth Movement
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on July 13 is listed as the Gasson Canafani Resistance Arts Scholarship Launch.
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Here, see for yourself, this is the Canadian government's official list of banned terrorist
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entities. Scroll down a bit, you can see the PFLP right on there, same as the Taliban or Al-Qaeda.
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So let me read about this exciting event. According to PYM's Facebook invitation, the event will
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be an evening of spoken word, music and food to celebrate the artistic and cultural contributions
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of Palestinians in the diaspora and showcase the winners of the Gasson Canafani Resistance Arts
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Scholarship in this year's anthology entitled, We Feel a Country in Our Bones. Canafani and the PFLP
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were responsible for the Laud Airport Massacre in May 1972 that left 26 civilians dead, including a
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Canadian, 17 Christian pilgrims from Puerto Rico and eight Israelis and injured 80 others. At the time
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of the terror attack, Canafani was a spokesman for the terrorist group. So a massacre of 26 people,
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wounding 80 more, killing Jews and Christians, even a Canadian. It would be bad enough if this were hosted
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in a mosque, of course, but it wouldn't be as surprising. But for this to be hosted in one of
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Toronto's most prominent downtown churches, well, that's my point, isn't it? For the first time in my
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life, I'm actually worried about the normalization of anti-Semitism in Canada. I don't think it's ever
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been a real problem in Canada. I'm in Toronto, a city that has had three Jewish mayors in the past 50
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years. Montreal, Winnipeg, Edmonton, all the Jewish mayors. I think that's a good test because a mayor is
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sort of the closest, most intimate political office. You really need to be known around town
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and win on your own name and reputation, as opposed to just being on a party ticket nationally
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or provincially where people just vote for a party, or let alone being appointed to the Supreme Court
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or wherever, where Jews have long been disproportionate. My point is, Canada is Jew-friendly,
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not just in the elite circles of this country, but in the grassroots. There have never been pogroms
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in Canada. I think it's just about the friendliest place in the world to be a Jew. I mean, this guy,
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look at this good egg. Harry Viner, he was elected mayor of Medicine Hat, Alberta in 1952,
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and re-elected again and again. What a country. I'm aware of the fact that there has been some forms
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of discrimination in the past. For example, until the 1960s, McGill University had a maximum quota
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for the number of Jews who could apply to certain faculties. But that's fancy McGill,
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which was once an elite institution. I should say that same sort of racial cap or racial quota
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system, it happens now. In both Canada and the United States, now it's affirmative action for
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certain racial groups and a hard maximum cap on Asian students like they did to the Jews.
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So what's happening now at Harvard in 2019 is about the worst that happened in Canada 50 years ago.
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Anyways, the new anti-Semitism that I have never seen before in my life
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is stoked by Muslim extremists being imported to our country who have not been de-radicalized
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before being permitted to come here. In fact, we make no inquiries at all
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of the ideological or belief systems of our immigrants today. We do some cursory criminal
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background checks on migrants, I think, as if there is a reliable central police registry for
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criminals in failed states like Somalia or Syria. What a laugh. But even if someone has not committed
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a crime, let alone terrorism, if they generally hate Jews, as is the norm in many Muslim cultures,
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why are we surprised when that age-old hatred is transplanted here? Did you think mass immigration
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from Muslim countries, unvetted for hatred, would only result in, what, a lot of shawarma shops?
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Do you think that would be the only cultural gift brought to us? But like in the UK, the sheer numbers
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of anti-Semitic Muslims has come to the attention of leftist radicals. Over there in the UK, Jeremy Corbyn
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and other deep leftists never really much like Jews. So the fact that Corbyn's own inherent
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anti-Semitism is no longer a matter of embarrassment now, but rather a ticket to massive
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political support from many Muslims, that means that Jeremy Corbyn can be open about what was once
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a prejudice he had to keep hidden. I mean, for God's sakes, look at this. The man literally posed
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in front of a Hezbollah terrorist flag. You can make out that there's a machine gun on it. You can see
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that. There is an exodus of Jews from the Labour Party right now. MPs are quitting, members are quitting,
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but for every Jew that leaves, a dozen Muslims join. Corbyn doesn't care. He thinks it's great
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advertising. He's done the math. Here's an official report by the UK government. Look at those stats.
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There are about 330,000 Jews in the UK, and there are about 3.3 million Muslims, almost exactly 10 times
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the number. Corbyn can count. He likes these anti-Semitism scandals in his party. They're not
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scandals. They're free advertising for him. That's the United Kingdom, as I always say. It's my personal
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dystopian time machine where I can see our future in a few years. I'm quite sure that Corbyn and the
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left would never indulge their anti-Semitism were it not for the changing demographics of their
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country. It's being unlocked in the left in their alliance with radical Islam. Well, same here in
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Canada. I mean, check out the church in question, the Trinity St. Paul's Church. Here's their website.
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Let me save you the time. There are 1,600 words on the main page of the website. I counted.
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And I spent some time reading it and doing searches for words. I should tell you the words Jesus and
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Christ do not appear on this page at all. The word climate does appear several times. That gives you
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an idea of what this church is about. The church is led by Sherry DeNovo, a former left-wing politician.
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No surprise. I don't know if you can make it out. It's sort of faint here. Her biography, as you can
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see right here on the page, actually has nothing to do with theology or her education or experience
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as a religious minister. It's her experience as a gay rights activist. And if you scroll down to the
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very next section, still nothing on Christianity or Jesus, but you can see it's about climate justice,
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it's about global warming. They're talking about divesting from oil and gas. Scroll down a little
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more and you can see their urgent warning about, you see that on the left-hand side there,
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about a climate crisis, declare a climate crisis. And just a little bit lower down,
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I know you wouldn't believe me if I didn't show you. So do you see that there? I'm sorry,
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I missed the event, but on, you know, I guess my calendar was busy or something. But on May 26th,
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they had a blessing of the bicycles. I am not even kidding. I am not even kidding. They blessed
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the bicycles. I'm not sure why you need the United Church, you know. If you already have the NDP or the
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Green Party, I mean, really, what's the difference? I guess maybe the church gets a better tax receipt
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if they call themselves a church than just the NDP. But hey, who am I to judge their religion? I don't
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even think they use that word, religion. It's too, you know, religious. But my point in showing you how
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woke they are, especially how gay-friendly they are, is surely they know that the punishment for
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homosexuality in Islam is death. Surely they know that. And that's not just some ancient dry text.
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That's how it rolls today. Surely they know that today, gays are routinely killed throughout the
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Muslim world, hanged in places like Iran, stoned in places like Afghanistan, regularly murdered
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in honor killings by their own family. Even in slightly more modern places like the West Bank
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and the Gaza Strip, there are hundreds of gay Palestinians, you know, who flee into Israel.
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They live in Tel Aviv as gay refugees, literally in fear of their lives if they go back to the West Bank.
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You might recall, I don't know if you know this, but we actually broadcast a documentary on the
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subject of gay Palestinians who are in Tel Aviv. The documentary is called Shuns. We actually had
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the world premiere on YouTube. Very interesting video. My point is, obviously, Muslim terrorists,
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they kill gays. Actually, they don't even call that terrorism over there. That's just
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Sharia law. That's just honor killing. It's not even normal terrorism. That's entire countries
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over there. And the gayest church in Canada says, hey guys, no problem. Yeah, rent out our room to
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celebrate an Islamic terrorist murderer. Fill your boots. I don't get it. Why? I mean, at least
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Jeremy Corbyn gets votes out of it. But what's Trinity St. Paul's United Church excuse? Do they
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think these Muslim extremists are going to convert and join the church? Maybe get gay married in the
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church? I don't even see the math there. Other than the United Church maybe sees Islamists as a
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temporary ally to help them destroy and undermine the traditions of the West, including Christian
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traditions, by the way. Do they think a Sharia-compliant Canada will be gentle with their
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own causes? Gay rights, feminism, transgenderism, climatism. Now, literally halfway through when I was
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writing this commentary, I got an email from the Jewish Defense League, actually, that under pressure,
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the United Church buckled and canceled the booking, just today apparently, but only after pressure,
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and not from mainstream groups. I didn't see any MPs or, you know, blue-chip lobby groups complain.
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B'nai B'rith is a little bit conservative, and they raised the fuss. And that email was from the JDL,
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the Jewish Defense League. They're a little bit tougher. They remind me of, you know, in New York
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City, they have the Guardian Angels. It was a group that formed in the 70s and 80s when that city was
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full of crime and the politicians and police wouldn't do anything about it. They just sort of
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citizen patrols. I think that's what the JDL are like. That's what we have here. The fancy people,
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the official people, well, they don't want to make a fuss about it. The opposite. They're only too happy
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to rent out rooms to terrorists for celebrations. Now, Justin Trudeau has himself said there's
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literally no mosque in Canada that is too extreme for him to campaign in. He is completely unrepentant.
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He can do the math. And I think it's creeping into Andrew Scheer's Conservative Party, too.
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That guy on the left there with the beard but no mustache, that's Omar Subedar. His claim to fame
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is teaching Muslim men here in Canada the proper way to beat their wives. He has this whole sermon
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on wife beating. I'm not kidding. We've done shows on that before, as you know. But unfortunately,
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Andrew Scheer has no time for other sorts of Muslims, like our friend Selene Mansour,
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who is a thoughtful, moderate Muslim professor who speaks out against jihadist extremism. Yeah,
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the United Church is terrible. It calls for boycotts of Israel along with boycotting fossil fuels.
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And it was happy to give a room in its own facility to celebrate a terrorist murderer who killed not
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just Jews, but Christian pilgrims, too. That church has finally been shamed into canceling their booking
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this time. But it won't be long before we get to the tipping point where the United Kingdom is now,
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where the sheer number of anti-Semites is just so large, and their social acceptance is so great that,
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yeah, they'll have their terrorist celebrations any bloody place they please. And our country's
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Jeremy Corbyns will be only too happy to pose in front of terrorist flags here, too.
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Welcome back. Well, immigration is back in the news big time. I put it to you, it never really
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left the news. You might recall a few months ago when the Liberal Party of Canada's Ontario caucus had
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their strategic retreat. Their number one issue they said they were spontaneously asked about
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on the Hustings was immigration. In the United States, it's the same, too. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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went to a photo op at an immigration detention facility that was widely circulated and then widely
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panned when it appeared there was no one there other than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her coterie
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of photographers. Well, what about here in Canada? What is the latest with the surge of undocumented
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illegal immigrants simply walking across the border from New York State into Quebec at Roxham
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Road? There's something called a Safe Third Country Agreement by which Canada and the United States say,
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well, if someone's coming from the other one of our countries, by definition, they can't be a refugee.
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Well, that has not been followed. And in fact, close to 50,000 people have simply walked across
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that border in the last couple of years. But we have some news on that. The first piece of news
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is that the number of illegals who have been deported is shockingly low. According to one document,
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the Canadian Border Services Agency removed just 723 people over a two-year period. As I said,
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50,000 have walked across. And we have another piece of news about the plan by the Liberal government
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to redistribute where these migrants are being housed. Joining us now to correct my errors and help us
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understand things is our friend Giddy Mammon, a longtime immigration and refugee lawyer at Mammon,
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Sandaluk and Kingwell. Giddy, great to see you again. We rely on you to bring your expertise and
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frankly, to correct us when we're wrong, because I get revved up about this issue. And I know you have
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tremendous experience. We look to you as the authoritative expert.
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Well, thank you for that. Let's talk about the first question, which is how many of these
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walk-across-the-border folks have been deported or sent home? According to the latest stats I've seen,
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just 723 people out of the 50,000 have been sent home since 2017. What do you think that means?
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Well, it just underscores how much work this refugee movement, how much it takes to process one of
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these cases. You've got 50,000 people. Two years later, only 723 have gone through the process.
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Imagine how many years it's going to take to clear this group of people that we have right now,
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assuming not one person more comes. But of course, that's just not an assumption that you can make.
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We're going to continue to see people at what levels will depend on what's happening in the
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United States and what happens in our upcoming election. But we are already about, you know,
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49,000 behind two years later. So somebody has to figure out what we're going to do. It looks like
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to me the only solution is to hire a lot more full-time permanent border officers to process this
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and more refugee judges, more hearing officers, or else these waiting periods are just going to get to
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the point where you cannot send them home because they've been here for so long that they deserve
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to remain here on humanitarian grounds, even though their refugee claims may have not been successful.
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But something has to happen because obviously 700 out of 50,000 is not a very, it doesn't show us that
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this is a very effective system at all. You know, Giddy, a lot of factors go into any election result,
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but I think it's pretty clear that the government of Quebec won in part by its statements on
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immigration, that they want to reduce their number of immigrants by 20%. And they also took a parallel
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approach on burqas and other religious manifestations in the civil service. I think those two issues are
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linked. And I think that it's very interesting that Justin Trudeau has not demonized the premier of
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Quebec in the same way he would probably characterize someone in a different province for similar points
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of view. I guess my question is this, do you think that Justin Trudeau is, what do you think his
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approach is to public reaction to the open borders approach, especially there at Roxham Road? He seems to
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be fairly careful about criticizing Quebecers who are mad about it, but he calls anyone in the rest of
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the country, well, he usually calls them xenophobic or Islamophobic. That's my observation. What do you
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I think it's, you know, I hate to sound so cynical, but it's all about the politics. I think Justin Trudeau
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maybe meant well. I'm not so sure, but he obviously tried to outdo the Conservatives and the NDP when he made promises
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of landing 25,000 people in a couple of months, which is unheard of. So I give him a little bit of credit for
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some humanitarian feelings that he might have had. A lot of it had to go to wanting to win the election against
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Stephen Harper. The ban in Quebec, in my view, is a terrible idea. I don't think people should be required to
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shed their religious garb because they're working for the government. But that's something that I expect, I would
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normally expect someone like Justin Trudeau to come out very forcefully against. I haven't heard that. I haven't
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heard and criticized the government of Quebec one bit over this thing. Maybe he has, I just don't know
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about it. But it underscores the fact that he is behaving in a very political way. On the one hand,
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he wants the immigrant vote. On the other hand, he cannot afford to alienate a very strong liberal base
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in Quebec. And so I think what he's doing is sucking and blowing at the same time. You know,
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he wants to be friendly with the ethnic communities, but he doesn't want to take on Quebec when they're
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being very unfriendly to those ethnic communities. Unfortunately, the immigration portfolio is a very,
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very highly politicized portfolio. It's very difficult for politicians to remain principled on this and
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to talk common sense all the time because there's so many emotions wrapped up in immigration.
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My theory is that this Quebec ban on religious symbols in the public service is a desperate
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reaction to the open borders, especially not just the Syrian wave that came over three,
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four years ago, but this Roxham road. I mean, it's sort of laughable that someone from the United
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States. I mean, I think it strikes so many Canadians as unbelievable, as incredible that you could be
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coming from America and pleading refugee status. And my theory about that burka ban is that it's the
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only thing Quebecers feel like they could do because the feds control the border. They're not enforcing
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it. So what can Quebecers who are furious about this do? Well, maybe they can try some backdoor way
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of pushing back the tide. I think that if we had strong borders and a lawful process that screened
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out bogus applicants, I think Canadians would feel a lot warmer to minorities who are newcomers. I just
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think, frankly, Trudeau's showy generosity to everyone in the world has backfired by creating anger
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towards those newcomers. I think it's been counterproductive.
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He miscalculated very badly. He had no idea, absolutely no idea what he was doing when he
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sent out that tweet saying that we welcome everybody. I was talking about the point of view of Justin
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Trudeau. Now that you raise the point of Quebec's point of view, I agree with you. Remember, when people
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used to come across the border into Quebec a few years, a couple of years ago, the Quebec people were
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thrilled. The government was thrilled. They're getting all these immigrants coming to Quebec and
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that's exactly what they wanted until they realized what social strain there was going to be on the
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Quebec government, on social services in Quebec. And you're right. They now are in a position where
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they've taken a welcoming approach. Now I think that approach is a lot colder. That welcome is a lot
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colder. And maybe you're right. Maybe this ban is designed to tell people who are coming through
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Roxham Road, look, we've kind of had enough and we just don't need any more of you folks.
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You may be right on that. But I remember very distinctly, Ezra, at the beginning of this thing,
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they were delighted to receive so much attention in Quebec until they realized, on the one hand,
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how many people were coming. And on the other hand, how many were just using Quebec as a roadway to the
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401, where most of them come to Ontario, into Toronto, after having used Quebec as an entry point.
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So I think maybe there is some truth to what you're saying about this ban and its origin.
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Well, I mean, I'm more sympathetic to the Burka ban than you are. I believe in the separation of
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mosque and state, certainly for the full face obscuring. Oh yeah, that's a different issue.
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The full face thing is a whole different issue. But let me, go ahead, sorry, make your point, sorry.
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Yeah, I don't think that somebody who wears a kippah, somebody who covers their hair,
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should be, for religious reasons, should be told that they can't work for the government,
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they can't represent people fairly. I think that's going way too far. But that's what they've
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decided. That's, you know, I guess that'll have to be tested in the courts eventually,
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and we'll see who got it right. Let me ask you about one more news story. And I see this in global
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news, but I know it's reported elsewhere as well. The feds have quietly stopped their attempt
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to spread out those border crossers from Roxham Road. Quebec really objected that they were being,
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you know, that their social services were taxed. And so the federal government basically said,
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well, we'll ship them to Toronto. And then Toronto's mayor said, whoa, what are you doing? And on,
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Rob Ford, the Doug Ford government, excuse me, said the same thing. So I see that Trudeau was going to
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try to relocate these migrants to further a field, but only five families, grand total,
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only five families agreed to leave Toronto or Montreal for smaller centers. They just don't
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want to live, you know, in North Bay. They want to live with the other ethnic communities in Montreal
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or Toronto. What do you make of that? Other than the fact that obviously people, once they're in Canada,
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if they're not in a detention facility, they're free to move around. What do you think this is going
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to mean for social services in those two crowded cities, Montreal and Toronto?
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They're going to have to get a federal check for the costs. When this program was announced,
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I was laughing because it was so ridiculous. I've been dealing with immigrants for over 30 years,
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and immigrants go with their families and their communities and the jobs. That's what they follow.
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If they're not in detention, they've got to put food on the table. They need help from their family,
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and they want to feel like they haven't abandoned their home altogether, and they want to be close
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to their ethnic community. Quite frankly, when they announced it, I thought that the outcome would
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be abysmal. But I didn't realize it would be this abysmal, that only five families took advantage
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of a suggestion to relocate to somewhere that they didn't, you know, presumably want to stay.
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And I'll make you a bet that of those five families, very few of them had any family in Canada
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and very few opportunities that they could take advantage of that the places that were suggested
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could offer as well for whatever unusual reasons. But people will generally need to go to either
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Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, where their jobs are plenty, and so where they can start feeding their
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families very quickly. That's the way it works. And no matter how much you try to shuffle back and
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Well, Giddy, we always enjoy having you on the show because, as I mentioned, you have a big heart.
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You've practiced in this field for so long. You have put your brains and your energies to bringing
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legitimate refugees to Canada. So no one can say you're a hard-hearted guy, but you've got a hard
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head and a soft heart, and that's the right combination. And I always look up to you for the
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way you carefully balance your point of view. I learned so much from you, and I know I'm gushing here,
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but we're really grateful that you come on the show to help us out with these things.
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Well, thank you very much for having me, Ezra. I think it's important for the Canadian public to
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understand what's going on because we do want to help refugees. I think all of us want to help
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refugees. But if we go down the wrong road and we turn off the Canadian public by handling it wrong,
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they're going to shut the gates. And that's what we see in Europe right now where there's a backlash
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against accepting more refugees. And unfortunately, when you have that attitude, people die.
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People don't get to where they need to go, and they don't get the protection they need. And I don't
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want that to happen here in Canada at all. Giddy, great to see you again. Thanks very much for your
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time and wisdom. Thank you very much. All right, there you have it. Giddy Mammon is a long-time
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immigration and refugee lawyer with the firm Mammon, Sandalook, and Kingwell. Stay with us.
00:29:22.480
More ahead on the Rebel. Hey, welcome back on the Tommy Robinson verdict in our Real Reporters
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videos. Paul writes, this was a political trial. And if in prison, Tommy Robinson will be a political
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prisoner. Yeah, I'm going back to the UK to cover his sentencing. And while I'm there, I'm actually
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going to attend a Canada-UK joint government conference on media freedom that's the same
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days. Can you believe that the conference is the 10th and the 11th of July? Tommy's sentencing is the
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11th of July. If you had like an irony Geiger counter, you'd go bing bing bing bing bing bing bing.
00:30:17.340
It's just too much irony. Literally the day that Christian Freeland and her UK counterpart are having
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a 1,000 purse celebration of themselves and how wonderful they are in media freedom, that very
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day, Tommy Robinson is being thrown into the clink. Oh, and you know he's going back to prison.
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I'll bet you a dollar. Terry writes, the reason Tommy is being persecuted is that he dared to
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speak out against Muslim rape kings. In England, no one is allowed to taunt Muslims. This is an
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application of Sharia law. Well, it sure looks that way. I mean, in the court, I sat there in
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the court, and on Thursday and Friday last week, I watched the exact moments outside that court
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in Leeds last year, where Tommy approached some of the rape gang accused as they were going in to be
00:31:12.780
convicted. And all he said was, how are you feeling about your verdict today? He didn't say you're
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guilty. He didn't swear at them. He didn't touch them. He didn't block them. The entire interaction
00:31:25.060
was 10 seconds, maybe 30 seconds most. Usually, they just swore back at him. And that was one of
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the grounds upon which he was convicted. Every interesting trial has journalists asking
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questions like that and tougher. I think that if there's no good explanation of why Tommy's case
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is different, we have to assume that the changing variable is the religion of the underlying accused.
00:31:55.780
Tell me what else is different. I don't see it. I think you're right. I think there's one
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uncriticizable cultural fact here. Katie writes, I'm just wondering if there's a plan
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for what his supporters can do now that it looks like he's going to prison. Will we be able to
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donate money, send him emails? Will the rebels still follow Tommy closely while he's in prison
00:32:16.640
so that we know he's okay? I'm hoping you will publish another follow-up video to let everyone know
00:32:21.220
what they can do to help. That's a good point, Katie. As you know, last year when Tommy was thrown
00:32:26.980
in jail so unexpectedly, we stepped in to fill the gap as volunteers. I talked to his family. I got
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their permission. And I actually did not speak with Tommy until he got out of prison. I sent him emails
00:32:40.140
into jail, but he couldn't send back. So I was operating sort of blind. I had to go ahead of his
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family. But it wasn't until he was released that I actually spoke with him since he left our company
00:32:52.080
earlier that year. This time it's different. Obviously this time he knows what's happening. It's not
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ambushing him on a matter of hours. I'm, you know, I'm going to, like I said, I'm going back to the UK
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this week. So maybe I'll ask him about that. We stepped in because it was an emergency. No one else
00:33:08.920
was helping. No one else knew what to do. I don't want to step on his toes. I'm not looking to
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to meddle. I'm not looking to foist myself upon him. I sort of foisted myself on the situation
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a year ago because no one was doing him. Tommy may have other plans and I should find those out.
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I should say that if he is in prison, and I think that's quite likely,
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he will likely be imprisoned as a civil prisoner, not a criminal prisoner, which means he may have
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certain more rights. But you know what, given what a stitch up the whole thing has been, it wouldn't
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surprise me if they threw him back in solitary confinement and said, it's for your own safety.
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That's really what they did to him last time. Dark days for freedom. And what an irony that the
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free speech conference is literally the same day. I'll be over there along with Sheila Gunn-Reed and
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we'll give you our best reporting every day. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel
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World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom while you still can.