“Global warming” rebrands again： Ocean Acidification!
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Under the auspices of a cleaner, greener earth, there s a new frontier in environmentalism and it s being touted as the reason that global temperatures aren t increasing the way that climate change alarmists said they would. It s called ocean acidification and my guest tonight is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition and he can see these kind of ideas coming a mile away. He joins me tonight to explain exactly what it is and why the environmentalists need this thing to push their cause.
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of my show the new catchphrase in environmentalism is ocean acidification because that climate change
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thingamajiggy really isn't working out the way the environmentalists said it would
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i'm sheila gun reid and you're watching the gun show
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well i guess the good news is that the coronavirus pandemic must be over
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because we're back to talking about environmentalism and by we i definitely don't mean me but the people
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who want to control your life and take money out of your family's pockets with policies that transfer
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wealth from you to the united nations under the auspices of a cleaner greener earth there's a new
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frontier in environmentalism and it's being touted as the reason that global temperatures aren't
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increasing the way environmentalists said they would it's called ocean acidification and my guest
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tonight is tom harris from the international climate science coalition and he can see these
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kind of ideas coming a mile away he joins me tonight to explain exactly what ocean acidification is
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and why the environmentalists need this thing to push their cause we're also going to talk about
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so joining me now from his home in ottawa is good friend to the show good friend of rebel news
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tom harris from the international climate science coalition tom thanks for coming on the show um i
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wanted to have you on because you have written i think what is going to be sort of the next
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you've written about the next front of i guess environmentalism because climate change isn't
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really working out the way that they told us it was going to and so you call it global warming's
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evil twin and you say it's gathering momentum and it's ocean acidification i've heard a little bit
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about it for probably the last five years but i'm hearing more and more about it all the time i don't
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really understand or know all that much about it um because people are telling me my straws are going
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to kill all the sea turtles so tell us first what ocean acidification is and then please tell us how
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the environmentalists tell us it's going to kill us all yeah sure well first of all it's named wrongly
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because the oceans have never been acidic i mean you could go back billions of years in the geologic
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record and we see no evidence of the ocean ever being acidic now first of all here's how it works
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when carbon dioxide molecules enter the ocean water they create a bicarbonate ion plus a hydrogen ion
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a bicarbonate ion has one carbon a cup three oxygens and a hydrogen and of course a hydrogen ion is just
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simply a hydrogen ion and that results in a slight decrease in ph now it's important to understand
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what ph is because it's the way they measure the degree of acidity or alkalinity which is the opposite
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when things are basic uh the ocean has been basic for as long as we know okay as long as we can see
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the records they've always been basic so ph is small p large h is a measure of how acidic or how basic
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water is and the range goes from zero to fourteen uh seven is considered neutral in other words if
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you have ph that's totally neutral not acidic or basic you'd have a ph of seven now ph is really a
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measure of the amount of free hydrogen ions there are and unlike sort of what you'd expect a low ph a
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ph below seven is in fact acidic and a ph above seven is basic now right right now the world's oceans
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are in the neighborhood of 8.2 and we can talk about that later so they're very definitely basic right
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now now each number in the ph scale represents a change in acidity of tenfold in other words if you
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had a ph of five and the ph dropped to four remember going down is becoming more acidic that would be
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ten times more acidic okay so one uh one ph drop um actually is uh quite significant it's a tenfold
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change now it's interesting um many people think that the oceans are going to become acidic due to the
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co2 coming in and it's true that temporarily when co2 goes in it increases the hydrogen ions but
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that's reconverted back into co2 because it's used as plant food for for for phytoplankton and seaweed
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and all sorts of things and um so the ph then rises again to become less acidic now it's interesting
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that you know if we look at the geologic record we can see times when there were not very many forests
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on the earth like when the glaciers covered half of north america of course there weren't any forests
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taking up carbon dioxide so you would expect you know the co2 levels being higher uh in the atmosphere
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but in fact they weren't higher in the atmosphere they were lower so where did all that co2 go it
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obviously didn't go into trees because uh trees are all you know wiped out by the glaciers stumbling
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across the you know a mile and a half of ice over my head for example here but what happened is the
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oceans absorb the co2 and that's a very good thing okay people don't realize that but the oceans
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absorbing co2 actually is plant food uh the idea that we could ever get to a ph of even seven which
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is neutral because right now we're 8.2 uh down below seven to become acidic is essentially chemically
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impossible and it's interesting a biologist by the name of jim steel he's from the co2 coalition people
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can look that up on the web co2 coalition.org they're pretty wonderful um he was the former
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research director of the san francisco state universities it's called the sierra nevada field
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campus and he's shown that even if atmospheric co2 concentrations were to triple from today's level
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of about 410 and he says that would take about 600 years today's ph would drop from 8.2 down to only
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7.8 okay so even with a tripling we're going to still have a basic ocean so we don't actually see
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any opportunity of it um becoming acidic and in the meantime co2 is important for the for the health
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of the ocean so you know this i always call this global warming's evil twin because you know we can do
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all we want to adapt to co2 rise and temperature rise but in fact if oh man if we're going to kill all
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the fish and the corals and and all the sea form because of uh increasing acidification where it's
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never acidic yeah this will give them something else to talk about but as i say it's all baloney
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yeah i mean it's it's just more moving the goalposts isn't it they keep predicting that
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we're going to experience this catastrophic warming i think we're on to our second warm day of the year
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here in alberta and it's almost the end of july um you know they they keep promising all these
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doomsday scenarios and when they don't materialize when co2 in the atmosphere doesn't materialize
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oh well the ocean's acting as a sponge it's sucking it up and now it's going to do this terrible
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horrible thing to the ocean but as you point out it's still plant food even in the ocean
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and you know i should just tell you just to give you some idea of how this is really blown up into
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a big issue last month there was something called the virtual oceans dialogue and this was the first
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completely virtual global conference for ocean action and they really focused hard on ocean
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acidification this is organized by the world economic forum and a group called the friends of ocean action
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and you know they live streamed to over three quarters of a million people okay i sat in on it
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it was quite your heart yeah and um the participants in the conference was 1 300 people
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these are the participants not the viewers 1 300 people from 90 different countries and they're saying
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this is going to be the big issue in fact the un have declared the next decade starting in 2021
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as the decade of the oceans and of course ocean acidification is going to be a huge part of
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that and then three days later they had something called um it was on the world oceans day they had
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let's see how was it called this verse first virtual ocean literary summit now this is starting to sound
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like a un conference of the party big time yeah because it says ocean experts sports and business people
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high level high level government representatives and artists from all across the globe exchanged ideas
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and insights into the future of blah blah blah concerning the ocean and the u.n u.n decade for ocean development
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so yep we're going to see a lot more of this ocean stuff and sheila if i can just quote to you something
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you know a lot of readers might say or a lot of viewers might say well it's just your opinion and that's this
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this mr steel but you know this document here as you can see is well over a thousand pages it's called
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climate change reconsidered to biological impacts and it has a nice section on ocean acidification
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i'll just scroll down here and read it to you please it says this is put out by the non-governmental
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international panel on climate change they say and that's that uh climate change reconsidered dot org
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they say the findings of hundreds of peer-reviewed research analysis suggest a much better future
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is in store for earth's aquatic life you know than that focused by the ipcc and the u.n many laboratory
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and field studies demonstrate growth and development improvements okay so even if you think that we are
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going to see warming and even if you even if you think that the co2 is causing increased ph they're saying
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here we're going to see improvements in response to higher temperatures and reduced water ph levels
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other research illustrates the capability of coral and other marine and freshwater species
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to tolerate and adapt to rising temperature and ph decline of the planet's water bodies
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when these observations are considered the pessimistic projections of the ipcc give way to considerable
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optimism with respect to the future of the planet's marine life and there are like thousands and
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thousands of references support that kind of statement here so yeah let's uh not worry about that either
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yeah but what will the artists say oh right they got to show something catastrophic happening for their art
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but but it's not likely we're not going to see it i mean there are parts of the ocean where the ph
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changes more in the course of a day and of course the plants don't all die out and then i'll have to
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come back the next day they survive so they're adaptable and the ph changes more in the course
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of a day than the worst forecasts of the 20 21st century so yeah it's oceans are pretty darn robust
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not with respect to some things like you know chemical pollution and things like that but forget about ph we're
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not going to cause an ocean catastrophe and at the end of the day ultimately it'll still be a tax on
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my suv that the fancy people and the control freaks at the un are telling me will be the only way
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to save the whales from ocean acidification that's that's that's their one and only solution tax the
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little people transfer wealth to any number of micronations apparently that's that's how you save the world
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now uh you have another article at america out loud which uh you and i were talking off air i
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really enjoy that website it has it's visually appealing uh it's not cluttery like some are and
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you and your uh frequent writing partner dr jay lair you have an article there about leaders being
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hopelessly misguided on wind and solar power and i'm not sure if we touched on this well i think we
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touched on it just a little bit last time that you were on the air um but i think you sat in on one
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of these um unfortunate zoom conferences with um environmentalists as you tend to do you're out
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there doing the lord's work yeah lead now held a conference online uh and there were a thousand
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people on the zoom call there were 40 pages of 25 people per page and what they're trying to do is
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lump in with all the recovery actions the uh imposition of wind and solar power but you know
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well i think their heart's in the right place i don't think they really have a clue what they're
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talking about because yesterday it'll be on the web actually i guess tonight or tomorrow i interviewed a
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bird bat expert uh about wind turbines on my podcast and people can find it i'll actually put it up on our
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web page as the first entry our web page is climate uh science international dot org climate science i
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should remember my own page anyway this guy jarl uh from norway is talking to me about the enormous
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numbers of birds and especially bats bats are killed very easily by wind turbines and that's just one
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element to show that they're anything but green the fact is they don't provide much power and if you
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actually look at a graph of how much of the world's energy is produced by fossil fuels it stayed pretty
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steady at around 80 for the last 30 years and guess what in that 30 years we've built 300 000
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industrial wind turbines across the world so even if you know you thought we had a crisis that was
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caused by carbon dioxide the wind turbines are not reducing the amount of co or amount of fossil fuels
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we're using anyway okay 300 000 turbines and it's pretty well straight across around 80 percent
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so what's happening of course is that whenever you build a wind turbine you need to have backup power
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and typically even robert kennedy jr says if you build wind turbines you're building natural gas stations
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because you know um parka gallant who does analysis of ontario's energy systems he was showing me the other day
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that for several hours during the day the amount of power actually generated by wind power in ontario
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was something like one tenth of what well one hundredth i think it was of one percent so we're
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spending billions of dollars for an energy source that requires backups that doesn't decrease our carbon
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dioxide and other emissions anyways and causes incredible environmental damage with things like the rare earth
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elements that are in the magnets mined in china under terrible conditions and of course even in the
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ocean even in the ocean what do you think happens when they're pile driving to put the foundations in
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whales can hear that pile driving for a hundred miles away and it deafens them we're seeing ale in fact
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yesterday's interview with jarl was he was saying that whales are being beached all over the place because
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they're being upset their sonar is upset by the sound waves put out by wind turbines so environmentally
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friendly my god it's probably the most environmentally destructive uh energy source on the planet so yeah
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let's not only stop building them let's get rid of them take them down i'm with you and my suv
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is helping grow the plankton that the whales eat so i take some uh maternity over the care of the whales
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by letting the jeep idol every now and then uh you know it's funny we have a uh a twitter account
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here in alberta and i don't know who's behind it but it's pretty clever i think it's called affordable
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energy alberta oh yeah um or something similar and what they do is they just tweet out the capacity
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of green energy on the hour every hour just about and it's like four percent is being produced by solar
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and one percent is being produced by wind and then like this enormous amount that's being
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created by fossil fuel it's so smart and i wish more jurisdictions would do it because it's real
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time analysis of the grid showing you like look they're building these panels they're putting in
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these big huge solar farms and yet still after all this investment here it is 90 of your power today
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is coming from coal yeah and that's the same all across the world yep um now i want you somewhat
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not entirely but you've stuck your toe into the conservative party leadership race um with an
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article that was published in the toronto sun and kudos to post media for publishing it i know that
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things are a little tough for them sometimes sometimes they have open revolts when when when their uh
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papers publish things that are sort of going against the prevailing sentiment amongst the
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journalists i don't think these are prevailing sentiments against the mainstream i think these
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are pretty mainstream ideas but the journalists don't much care for them and you've published an
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article that says conservative candidates need to push back against the climate scare tell us about
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this article and i'll tell you my plan to see where they are on the climate scare well exactly with the
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exception of derrick sloan who is very sensible on this issue he's saying he'll take canada out of
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the paris agreement uh you know and and he's not buying into the idea that we're causing dangerous
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climate change and of course what you see is the other three candidates to varying degrees are
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completely absorbed by the climate scare i mean the conservatives in the past would bring in regulations
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for example oh no we are against carbon tax but then they're going to give in regulations
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and some some analysts some economists have shown that regulations would be more expensive
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to the consumer because of course who do you think pays for the increased costs
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for the for the manufacturers they transfer it on to us so that's not a solution you know they're all
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afraid except for derrick sloan they're all afraid to simply call a spade a spade look if you believe
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that canada um sorry if you believe that there was a climate crisis canada produces 1.6 percent of
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world emissions so what we do is going to have no impact whatsoever no measurable impact so the only
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approach that makes sense for canada and this is the policy i really wish the conservatives would take
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they could say very easily oh of course climate change is real we believe in climate change and so
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canada had better adapt to climate change we'd better do things like bury our cables underground
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okay because around ottawa all you need is a severe windstorm and we have all of our power out so i
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mean it doesn't make any sense and you know a really good example in the u.s where parts of a city had
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cables buried underground cables like telephone and internet and things like that and a part of the
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city that didn't was hurricane sandy when it hit new york city parts of manhattan which had all their
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cables underground did not lose any of their facilities you had lawyers at work still typing
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away saying yeah i'm working fine what's wrong with you well it's because their cables were all above
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ground here in ottawa they estimate that the price per kilometer to put cables underground that are
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currently above ground was something like two to five million dollars and they said oh we can't afford
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it but you know just last fall ottawa was wiped by these tornadoes and i'm sure the price must have been
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in the many billions of dollars so yes of course they can afford it they just have to redirect their
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monies away from the fictitious idea that we can stop climate change to adapting for climate change
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so you know derek i think is has got the right approach and i think the rest of them don't have
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to deny climate change they actually don't even have to question the cause they could say much as i think
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they should you know to be honest brokers but what they simply could say is look what canada does
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has no impact on world climate so it's going to come there's going to be changes of course climate
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always changes so of course there's going to be changes so we have to adapt we have to prepare for
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the kinds of climate change that could happen where by the way cooling would be a lot more important
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to prepare for for canada i mean there's nobody farming north of us if it warms well we can adopt
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farming practices in arkansas or something so yeah i think the conservative it's sad because the leading
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candidates are really in some ways just a carbon copy of the liberals maybe liberal light with
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respect to this but um man they got to tell the truth because the base of the party clearly uh want
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us out of paris and they don't want us wasting billions of dollars they don't want carbon taxes
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going up 50 they don't want carbon tax at all so let's get off this and focus on real issues um i am
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happy that derek is doing that but the rest of them man you got to appeal to the conservative base
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folks if you want to become the real leader and the base don't want this stuff well yeah and they have
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to put some distinction between them and justin trudeau you need to give people a reason to vote for you
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so that you're different than justin trudeau i i read less than lewis's uh i believe it was her
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uh part of her dissertation um which part of it focused on the paris accord and she said repeatedly
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like we don't need to get out of the paris accord because the targets have no teeth well then that's
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a perfect reason to get out of the paris accord if the targets mean nothing then why are we participating
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in this virtue signaling but secondarily even if the targets don't have any teeth uh the money
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sure flows from canada to the united nations i think it's 800 million dollars this year
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yeah exactly will flow to the united nations because of the paris accord that's a great
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reason to withdraw well exactly and you know people who say oh well by 2030 china and developing
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countries will have to you know have limits to their co2 emissions but that's not true actually
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underlying the paris agreement is another treaty called the framework convention on climate change
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this was signed in rio by brian mulrooney uh back in 1992 and what it says is that for developing
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nations and china believe it or not is still considered a developing nation even though by the way they put
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out more than twice the co2 emissions of the united states but developing nations and this is the treaty
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that underlies all un climate treaties including paris developing nations their first and overriding
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priority is poverty alleviation and development so what's going to happen is that come 2030 china is
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going to say well our top priority is not greenhouse gas reduction we have to continue to pull people out
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of poverty give them electricity and um alleviate you know the kind of social problems we have and what
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they'll do of course is say that the cheapest way to do that the most effective way to do that is with
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coal because india and china of course are mostly coal when it comes to electricity generation so of course
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they're going to continue to build coal stations no matter what we do and so if you believe that co2
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was a problem and climate change dangerous climate change was coming well we better adapt because we have
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no control over it and china and india are going to continue doing exactly what they're doing you know
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as you're speaking there i i just made a connection that i wish i had made earlier there's a real national
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security implication in all of this if you care about china and its imperialist designs on the rest of
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the world the western world is going to continue to buy things from china because china can manufacture
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things a lot cheaper because they're using the cheaper electricity and this focus towards uh green
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energy will continue to cripple north american manufacturing continuing to enrich china um while
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they use cheaper electricity which is fine and cheaper labor um because they use in effect slave labor in
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some places so if you care about national security you really should reject green energy oh yeah
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exactly and of course china has the biggest wind turbine companies in the world and where do you
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think they get their power to make the wind turbines it's from coal china china makes more solar panels than
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anybody in the world so of course they want us to move to solar and wind power while they continue to grow
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coal stations left right and center no you know some people actually speculate that to a large extent the
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climate scare uh benefits china so much that they probably behind the scenes were a major promoter of
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the whole thing now it's always difficult to know exactly where these things start but um yeah i mean
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the whole climate scare benefits china enormously because they're the world's supplier of solar panels
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and yet solar panels you know elizabeth anderson a phd in geology i saw her give a talk at carlton
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university about the environmental impacts of wind and solar power and it's just incredible i mean the
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amount of toxic materials that are used to make solar panels for example the the city in china that's
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considered the green capital of the world it they make so many of the world's solar panels and other
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green energy and they have you know solar panels on every building it's also one of the most polluted
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cities in the whole planet okay and that's because when you make them especially under the terrible
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environmental conditions there you produce enormous amounts of pollution people should watch michael moore's
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film planet of the humans you can do a google search on it planet of the humans he has one little
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segment there of about 90 seconds and with exciting music he shows all the toxic materials all the
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processes that are used to build wind and solar power and then of course they massacre birds and bats by
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the millions in california altamont pass they've killed thousands of golden eagles but the u.s government
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gives something called a kill permit to uh wind turbine operators so they can kill endangered species and
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they can't be sued by the environmental groups so boy they have really you know pulled the wool over
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the whole environmental establishment and that's another thing that um the conservatives could say
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do you know the impact of wind and solar power my god these are terrible for the environment and so
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they don't have to question the science of climate change there's lots of things they can do
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to have a sensible policy now my plan because this will air i think just about during the conservative
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debate um put together by the independent press gallery we're going to be there and it's going
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to be my personal mission to nail these people down on their climate change policies and the paris accord
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um that's what i want to ask them about because at the end of the day that's i think one of the
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single greatest policies that robs canadians of their wealth and impacts struggling canadians the
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most um and it's putting people out of work especially here in alberta so i want to hear
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what they have to say and i'm curious about leslund lewis because on so many issues she's so right on the
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money as a conservative except on the paris accord and i don't understand how she justifies it so i'm
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going to give her the opportunity to answer us honestly well you know i think i i can almost
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forecast what they're going to answer except for derek who i expect will give a sensible answer
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but i think they're going to say well everyone knows climate change is real of course that's
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irrelevant climate change is real or we'd be still in the ice age no we're asking are humans causing
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dangerous climate change and could canada do anything about it you know could we stop it and if not
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well then what are we wasting all this money for you know so you really have to pin them down because
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otherwise you're going to get a lot of baffle garb saying sort of motherhood things that don't answer
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the question i found they're really expert at that that's what i'm going to try to do tom i wish me luck
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um tom i want to give you a chance to once again uh let everybody know where they can find the work
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that you do support the work that you do because you're one of the few people um doing this work
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probably outside of our friends at uh friends of science here in canada and tell people about
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your podcast for once because it's pretty interesting sure i've done uh 29 interviews i guess we started
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a few months ago and um it's called exploratory journeys with tom harris and what we do it's on
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think radio if people go to our website right now i have an interview with ian clark uh professor
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very nice fellow from the university of ottawa and that will get you into the website so you can
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hear any of the interviews but we've interviewed you know largely um people in the climate and energy
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area uh last night we interviewed somebody who's an expert in birds and bats and wind turbines but you
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know to give people a kind of intellectual break i interviewed one fellow who was a shriner circus clown
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okay he was fun he actually been in the navy and had all kinds of really tough jobs and then he became
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a clown and it's really quite wonderful to hear about how he would go to the hospitals and completely pick
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up the children so we've done space exploration all kinds of things so exploratory journeys with tom
00:31:19.800
harris google it it'll come up right away and the website oh website for my organization
00:31:27.520
international climate science is climate science international dot org and as you know just coming
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up soon give us a month and a half or so we're going to see canadians for sensible climate policy
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we've been incorporated we're getting ready to launch sensible climate policy is exactly the
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phraseology i hope that we see from the conservatives someday from your lips to god's ears tom tom
00:31:53.800
thank you so much for coming on the show um we'll check back in um i think probably just as when the
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new uh project is launching i think people are going to have a lot of interest in this i know that i do
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um i think it's great to have somebody from outside the conservative party lead the conversation as uh i think
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it was ralph klein who said um you know you create the parade and i'll jump in front of it and lead it i think
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you guys are going to jump you guys are going to create the parade so that somebody else can jump
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in front of it and lead it and and if the liberals want to help lead sensible climate policy too well
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go ahead i mean anybody can lead it but i think the conservatives have the best chance of having a
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sensible climate policy so that's the word sensible here's hoping tom thank you so much for coming on
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the show and uh i think probably enjoy the rest of your summer and we'll talk to you when it's done
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you know it's funny conservatives can address the issues of environmentalism without buying into the
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left's language to talk about the issue or even conceding the left's theories on the issue but even
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if we do say that the earth is getting warmer why aren't we focusing on resiliency and adaptation as
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opposed to trying to tax our way into a future where we somehow offset the contributions of china
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it's impossible well everybody that's the show for tonight thank you so much for tuning in i'll see
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everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week and remember don't let the government