India starts to unhook itself from China — and China isn't pleased
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India is trying to unhook itself from China, and China is saying, "We don't want to be part of India anymore." What does this mean for the future of the relationship between the two countries? And why is this happening?
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Hello, my rebels. Today, I talk a little bit about the shooting war between India and China.
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I really think it has not had a lot of media coverage. I mean, those are two titans,
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the two largest countries in the world by population, both of them of nuclear arms.
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They're fighting high in the mountains, dozens dead. I think it's nuts. What's going to happen?
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Well, one of the things that has happened is that ordinary people in India have said,
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we got to unhook from China. And I'm going to tell you some of the steps they've taken. I think
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it's very interesting. It's so interesting to see another country unhooked from China,
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to know that there are Democrats in the world who could be our allies. And maybe there's some
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lessons we can learn. There's a few things I want to show you in particular, a video and an app. I
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Tonight, India starts to unhook itself from China. I'll show you how they're trying to do it and what
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China is saying in reply. It's Dominion Day, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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A few days ago, we spoke with our friend Gordon Chang about the military skirmish between India and
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China. I can't think of anything that would be higher stakes. Both are mighty nations of over
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a billion people. Both have nuclear weapons. Imagine the two of them actually having a hot
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war, or at least a hot battle. It's unclear how many soldiers on each side died, but it's in the
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dozens. It's not the first war China and India have had. Back in 1962, thousands died in a war between
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the two. Back then, America gave some moral support to India in the 60s, but America wouldn't sell
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India advanced fighter jets. So the Soviet Union stepped in and helped India. This was when the
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Soviet Union and Communist China were breaking ranks with each other. So the USSR was moving against
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China and moving to bring India within its orbit. And you know, for a generation to follow, India was
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aligned with the Soviets. What a missed opportunity. I'm so glad India has moved back into a Western
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orbit, particularly under Donald Trump and Narendra Modi, who have actually attended massive rallies for
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each other in each other's countries. But back to the war, it was limited this time, a fraction of
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the carnage from 60 years ago, but it opened the old wounds. One big difference now, though, is that
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India and China are so integrated economically and technologically, just like we are. In India,
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they use Chinese apps just like we do. Their kids make TikTok videos just like ours do. They buy
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equipment and gadgets from China, just like we do. Obviously, there has been a rivalry with China,
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just like has been a rivalry between China and America and China and Canada, though we refuse to
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acknowledge it. But a shooting war seemed to focus the mind of the Indian people. As we showed you when
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we spoke with Gordon Chang, there was an immediate repercussion. Indian companies that have been looking
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to make huge corporate deals with Chinese companies put that on hold. I mean, fair enough. I bet there were
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American and Japanese companies on December 7th, 1941, until Pearl Harbor happened. So you had a large
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corporate response. But recently in India, there has been a grassroots response. Indian people,
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not just politicians and military leaders, but cultural and youth leaders and Bollywood and cool
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people, came out for India's separation from China, too. You know, I've been watching some of it. As you
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know, a lot of people in India speak English. It really is the second language over there. You could say
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it's the first language, because everyone speaks it in addition to their other language. I have to
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tell you, speaking personally, I really enjoy hearing these strong statements spoken in English with an
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Indian accent. It makes me feel like we have allies around the world. And in the case of India, a big,
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strong, growing, populist, democratic ally that has many of our traditions at having been in the British
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empire for so long, just like we were. Here's 30 seconds from a typical Indian newscast. I love how
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busy and colorful their TV screens are. There's way too much for me to process. There's like eight
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things going on. I've never been to India. But in my mind, that's how I imagine the streets to be busy,
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cacophonous, a bit chaotic. But I think they're getting a bit tougher.
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Occasion that led to the violent clash and a faceoff in Ladakh at the border is only growing.
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There's a massive anti-China sentiment at this point in time in the country. And it cannot be
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business as usual. The government has taken a lead in this direction. It has asked key sectors to
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reduce its dependency on Chinese products. And similarly, the civil society is also now supporting
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the call to boycott Chinese products. Not just that, top traders body also has written a letter now to
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the Bollywood celebrities and asked them to stop endorsing Chinese products.
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So that's a typical newscast these days. Let me show you an online influencer. Again,
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I love how he switches back and forth into English. I presume his other language is Hindi.
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Forgive me if I have that wrong. I think this guy in this gala is sort of cool.
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But the good thing is that you and me can save the Indian economy.
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We have to save the Indian economy from this crisis. We have to fight a long fight.
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But in this fight, we have to go to the shops. We don't have to take a lot of food.
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We don't have to take a lot of food. We don't have to take a lot of food. We don't have to kill anyone.
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We have to keep the economy alive. We have to take a lot of food in this country.
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In this fight, we have to take a lot of food that will make the food that will make this country.
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When you buy any product that's made in India, you can help boost the manufacturing sector,
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which is the backbone of any country. You can help increase the employment in India
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So, do you want to become a soldier? Do you want to be a soldier in the army?
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So, just tell us about one Indian product that you use in your social media.
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Tap your three friends and then also join in the army.
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This chain of people will motivate people to use Indian products.
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Germany, Japan, Russia, we give these countries an example.
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After World War II, this country will also be completely destroyed.
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And yet, these countries stand strong because every person did their bit to build the country again.
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We fight against the border of this power, and we buy products in the country.
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Don't forget, make a video post about any one Indian product that you use.
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And tag three friends to encourage them to do the same.
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Log on to MayBhiFawji.com to know more about the movement.
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I will become a soldier in this country, because in this country, MayBhiFawji.
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They've got a bunch of videos, including one that gives tips on how to slowly delete one Chinese app
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or replace one Chinese product in your life, like a cell phone or something like that.
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I'm not trying to go cold turkey to get off Chinese products.
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But to slowly and thoughtfully make choices, like instead of a Chinese-made cell phone, another one.
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Maybe one made in Korea or, I don't know, one made in India.
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Just slowly, methodically choose not to buy Chinese stuff.
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I guess I like the fact that ordinary young Indians are saying this.
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And I love hearing it in the sing-song switch between English and Hindi.
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So, the Indian economic pride has been percolating for a while organically, like videos I just showed you.
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But then the government of China just announced, well, they're going to make the decision for everyone, and they banned 59 Chinese apps.
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India bans nearly 60 Chinese apps, including TikTok and WeChat.
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The move is part of the tit-for-tat retaliation after the Indian and Chinese militaries clashed earlier this month.
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Sure, it's true, it is tit-for-tat, but it also has value in other ways.
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TikTok and other Chinese apps, you know, they spy on you, right?
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You know, the Apple iPhone operating system called iOS, the new one, tells you whenever an app is reading whatever's on your clipboard.
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You know what a clipboard is when you copy and paste something, like an email that's stored temporarily, it's called a clipboard.
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TikTok spies on your clipboard every few seconds.
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And that was just revealed because the new iOS system shows you that.
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So, yeah, I mean, imagine if you copied a password, right?
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If you copied and pasted a password, well, now TikTok's read it.
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So, yeah, as the New York Times says, it is tit-for-tat.
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I know a lot of teenage girls in India are going to be sad that they can't do karaoke videos on TikTok now.
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But I'm guessing a Made in India app or a Made in America app that does a pretty good job of replicating the fun parts of the TikTok experience will come along pretty soon.
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You know, entrepreneurs came up with a way of rooting out all the Made in China stuff from your phone in India.
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They actually created an app that is called Remove China Apps.
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Google, the pro-China multinational company that refuses to work for the U.S. Pentagon, but that accepts work in China,
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they have banned that Remove China app from their app store.
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In the battle between the democracies and China, Google has chosen sides, haven't they?
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They chose the dictatorship because they think that's where the cash is.
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It's always a possibility that China chose this moment to fight with India to distract from its own economic and health hardships,
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Or maybe China just genuinely thinks this is a good time to cause trouble in the region
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because the whole world is focused on other things, especially America is focused on other things.
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But I read a report that the domestic Chinese propaganda media, as in what is shown to Chinese citizens,
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has actually been almost silent about this fight with India.
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They haven't been showing footage of it, whipping up their citizens against India.
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They've just almost totally ignored it, just barely mentioned it within China.
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Now, that suggests that they don't think it's going well, I would guess,
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But I also follow what China is saying to the outside world in English, outside the Great Firewall of China.
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That's an English-language foreign policy propaganda outlet for China.
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I follow them because I want to see what they're saying.
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Every hour, they keep telling India how it's making a terrible mistake by unhooking from China.
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India's app ban, which selectively and discriminatorily targets dozens of Chinese apps
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on ambiguous and far-fetched grounds, is an abuse of national security exceptions
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and a suspected violation of relevant WTO rules.
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India's app ban has made its political crackdown on Chinese companies open and blatant.
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India shouldn't underestimate the consequences of economic war.
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Indian nationalism may see more losses than Doklam crisis.
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And then again, Chinese investors are mulling whether to cut ties with India amid the onslaught
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of COVID-19, a rise of Indian nationalism, and geopolitical threats against Chinese businesses
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India's app ban will hurt Indian IT workers and escalate tensions.
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Recent China-India border tensions must not be turned into an opportunity for warmongers in India.
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He's the chief Chinese foreign policy propagandist in the country, I guess,
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I don't know if you can see that there, but 391,000 people in the world follow him on Twitter.
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He only follows 669 people back in the whole world, including moi.
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But in other ways, I want him to read what I have to say.
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I want him to hear the voice of dissent and democracy and liberty, the other side of the story.
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Well, even if Chinese people want to boycott Indian products,
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Indian friends, you need to have some things that are more important than nationalism.
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You guys really can't really make anything good.
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You can't really do anything yourselves, India.
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I'm not sure if that's going to persuade Indian people to come back as customers to China, buddy.
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Sixty years ago, India was pushed into the arms of the Soviet Union.
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Today, I hope India is pushed to become more independent from China
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and more of a friend to the free countries of the world,
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We would see more street violence, more cancel culture, except for one thing.
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In Canada, well, the institutions have pretty much already fallen.
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In the United States, they're trying to topple Donald Trump.
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They'll take down some statues and smash some police departments.
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I see today they've decided to rename a Navy ship, a Coast Guard ship,
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So I think that one of the reasons things aren't worse here is because they're already pretty bad.
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And one of the worst things in Canada, politically speaking,
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is the sameness, the timidness, the submissiveness,
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the obedience of the media party, at least in the United States.
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You still have Fox News and talk radio and healthy websites from The Blaze to CRTV.
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And so in the days and weeks ahead, one of the things I want to do is I want to talk to my friends
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and in some cases acquaintances and in some cases strangers
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in what I hope is a nascent conservative media ecosystem.
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Little green shoots of independent-minded journalists who are going to give the big boys a run for their money
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because I think that is the key to reversing this trend.
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I think we have to see the other side of the story before we can fix the story.
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And I think one of the most important independent media outlets in Canada,
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well, you won't be surprised who I'm interviewing today,
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her name is Candice Malcolm, and she's the founder of True North.
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I'm not putting too much on your shoulders, just the fate of the whole country.
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I'm joking around a little bit, but I really think that we're in crazy times,
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and one of the things that keeps me sane is having alternative sources of information
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And I love what you guys are doing, you and Andrew Lawton and Anthony Fury
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So it's just nice to talk to a friend and a colleague, I'll call you.
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Tell me a little bit about what you guys are doing these days.
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Well, I'll start by just saying I'm a little bit more optimistic
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and I think that the Canadian people have perseverance
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and a love of our ordered liberty, our traditions, and freedom in Canada,
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and we're not just going to let that fall by the wayside.
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So I think that there are a lot of citizens out there that are like-minded people,
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patriotic people, that sort of see what's going on,
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watching the news and kind of just shaking their head at it.
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They might not necessarily have the courage to speak out against it,
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but I know in my heart it is true that Canadians are not going to bow down to the mob
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and that they know that this is a good country and it's worth defending.
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So I think that there's a lot of like-minded people out there,
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and I think one of the things that True North has sort of tapped into,
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very similarly to the rebel, is that we have a sort of silent majority.
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I know you have a huge audience over there at the rebel,
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and you've built something really incredible, but I think that there are more and more Canadians
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who have had enough of the institutions, the media sort of lecturing them,
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telling them that their country is racist and that there are all these problems
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and that we constantly have to apologize and bend the knee.
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And the great thing about the internet and new media and the platforms that we have,
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the distribution that we can reach Canadians directly through social media,
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is that we don't have to go through the old, tired, Laurentian elite-controlled institutions
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We can reach Canadians directly with our message.
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We can encourage them and motivate them to speak out, to share the stories,
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to seek the truth, and really to tell our own stories,
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not wait for the sort of, again, Laurentian elites that sit in Toronto and Montreal
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to look down their noses and tell us what we believe and who we are as Canadians,
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So that's sort of the driving idea behind True North.
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We're really excited and proud of what we've built so far.
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And I think that we have a lot of potential just because you mentioned that the U.S.
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has this really rich ecosystem of conservative media and journalism.
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I think that Canada is just as conservative of a country as the United States.
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We just don't have that big, big media like Fox News that's out there defending our ideas and our values.
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So it takes little independent outlets like us and you and there are several others.
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And together we can push back and really fight to take back our country,
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to push the narrative that Canada is a great country.
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And, you know, I'm really excited to do this interview today as well just because it's Canada Day tomorrow
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and Dominion Day, and I think it's a great time to celebrate Canada and to emphasize our strengths
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rather than sort of wallow over our weaknesses.
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Well, Candice, I've got to tell you, you've made me feel better already.
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You know, every day I do a live stream at 12 noon, and we end with a puppy video that our producer, Justin, chooses
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because I say it makes me between 8% and 22% happier to see a little puppy video at the end of the live stream
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We shouldn't always be mopey and gloomy because, listen, Canada's tough.
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We've been through tough things before, the Great Depression, two world wars.
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It was hardy stock that built this country, that broke the soil in the prairies, the Courier du Bois.
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Maybe we just have to remember that again, and you've made me feel better just saying that, what you've said.
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Can you tell us, I mean, we're talking on our paywalled show, so this is what we call Rebel News+.
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We put an excerpt of this outside on YouTube, but this is for our paying customers,
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These are our strongest supporters, and I believe that if you're paying $8 a month to Rebel News,
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and I thank you very much, that helps keep our lights on.
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I would invite you to consider supporting other like-minded folks in Canada.
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I'm going to reach out to Spencer Fernando, who we've had on recently.
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There's the Western Standard Online in Alberta, obviously.
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There's about five or six independent-minded groups, and obviously we rely on your donations to us, so thank you.
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But I think just out of a spirit of hope and collegiality, we need more friends.
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So if you haven't yet joined up with True North, please consider doing it.
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And we've had you on a dozen times, and we've had, you know, other friends.
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Tell us a little bit about what you're up to, and I'm not looking for you to give away any secret plans just yet.
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I'm inviting our viewers to become your viewers.
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Well, Ezra, first, I appreciate you, you know, extending the invitation to me to be on your show
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and to talk a little bit more about True North and what we're doing.
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Well, first of all, True North started out as more of a think tank,
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the idea that there was, again, sort of a silent majority of Canadians whose views weren't being reflected,
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specifically when it came to concerns about immigration and national security.
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My background before I became a journalist was working for the federal government on immigration issues in the department there.
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And I really just observed that, you know, there was a huge difference between what the policy was,
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who the activists were and what they were pushing,
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and what the views were of everyday Canadians and what was best for the country.
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So True North started off in that vein to sort of advocate and do policy research on immigration.
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And we kind of pivoted just because there was such a big demand out there for research,
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investigative reports and independent journalism on those issues.
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We've grown our team to include other conservative voices, like you mentioned.
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Andrew Lawton, who is a longtime radio host down there in London, Ontario.
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And he's very passionate about gun rights and firearms.
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And then also Anthony Fury, who is based here in Toronto,
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and he writes for the Toronto Sun with me, where I also write.
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And so we're sort of just trying to push more conservative opinion,
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and also doing research and reporting on the news, telling the other side of the story.
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So we publish a handful, dozens of independent news reports every day, written news reports.
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Then we also have a slew of podcasts that we do.
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I host a speaker series, so I have a really interesting guest.
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Ezra, I know I'm going to have you on the show.
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We've got to line that up to have you on as a guest in the speaker series,
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because it's my favorite thing that we're doing at True North right now.
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We go in-depth in an issue and kind of get beyond just the day-to-day news cycle stuff
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and talk about the really deep and important issues in Canada.
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And I think that, you know, I started off by being super optimistic about Canada,
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but obviously there are issues and problems with the mainstream media.
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Ezra, I know you used to be an editorial board member over there,
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but they were supposed to be the conservative voice of Canada.
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And you watch how they've covered these anti-racism protests.
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I don't even like calling them anti-racism protests,
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because, you know, a lot of them have just devolved into sort of mob violence
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The National Post go out and make the case for defunding the police
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You know, there isn't really a conservative voice in the mainstream media,
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aside from Toronto Sun, where I work and where I write.
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And I love that paper, but it's a small paper and it's owned by the big chain post media.
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So, you know, the purpose behind True North, again,
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is just to remind Canadians that there are conservative views out there.
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And even if the mainstream media is trying to delegitimize those and say
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it's somehow wrong and not OK to be conservative,
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you know, you see conservative writers and journalists getting canceled
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whether it's Rex Murphy or more recently Paul Bunner,
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who's Jason Kenney's speechwriter over out in Alberta.
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And he's getting, you know, criticized and mobbed online for an article,
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where he didn't say anything outside the norm of what conservatives generally think
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when it comes to talking about truth and reconciliation with First Nations people.
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And there's a mob, you know, attempt to have him fired from his job
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just for expressing a conservative opinion seven years ago.
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Well, you can't really trust the mainstream media,
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certainly can't trust the National Post anymore to combat those ideas
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and to defend conservatism and say that these are OK and this is what we believe in.
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It's not a reliably conservative voice anymore,
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which is why it's so important that outlets like True North and The Rebel
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continue to have the airway and the ability to push back against that mob.
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And so much like The Rebel, we're funded entirely by Canadians who support us,
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people who donate, you know, small dollar amounts to join our supporter clubs
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and to promote our different journalists and products.
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So, you know, if you're interested, go check it out.
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And like I said, we've got daily news reports, podcasts.
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We do different shows and we have the speaker series.
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So there's a lot of interesting stuff going on there
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I bet a lot of our people already are supporters,
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but for those who haven't made the leap, I'd encourage them.
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It's out there, but I think the CBC really is at the forefront of the mob.
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In recent days, I've seen them actually go after two different indigenous leaders
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I interviewed one of them yesterday, Leighton Gray, the lawyer from Cold Lake, Alberta.
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Outstanding lawyer, Queen's Counsel, status Indian,
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which is an interesting thing for an Aboriginal man to say.
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The same way in the U.S., black Republicans get extra hatred
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because they're regarded as race traitors by the Democrat leftist media.
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I think the CBC is on this crazy warpath right now.
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They're the actual, the worst cancel culture folks.
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I remember when we interviewed you a couple weeks ago,
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we were talking about an opinion poll that you commissioned on pausing immigration,
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including pausing temporary foreign workers, which, I mean, in the middle of a pandemic,
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I don't understand why anyone would believe in bringing in cheap foreign workers.
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I mean, it might save a few pennies for a big corporate farm or something,
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but it makes no sense from the Canadian point of view.
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Because I found that extremely useful because I think the Liberal government,
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every government polls like crazy on everything,
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because they don't want the public to see that everyone else also thinks we should pause immigration.
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They don't want the public to see the answer to politically incorrect questions.
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So I think it was very, very valuable that you guys sponsored a poll
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asking a question that the mainstream media would not publish.
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And yes, so, you know, part of True North, part of what we do is we are a think tank,
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a non-profit, non-partisan research organization, and a registered charity.
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We also have a research wing that we do, you know, public policy research,
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a bit of polling, and other sort of educational-oriented material
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to try to, you know, engage with Canadians and enlighten them
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or educate them more on public policy issues like immigration.
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And so I thought that that immigration poll, the results actually surprised me a little bit.
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I mean, it is pretty common sense, especially during a pandemic.
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This is a perfect opportunity to sort of, you know, keep ourselves closed,
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you know, slow down on the immigration pace, maybe take a pause,
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and let the people who are here sort of settle before we open up to another wave
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and obviously protect ourselves as well from the threat of coronavirus
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But I've never seen, you know, such overwhelming support for a pause.
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And it's interesting, too, Ezra, because a lot of Canadians believe that the borders are closed
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because that's sort of the message that we hear from the government and the media.
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When you look at the actual statistics, the CBSA releases every single week the most up-to-date numbers.
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There's still been over a million people that have come into Canada since the border officially closed.
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So, you know, we still are getting hundreds of thousands of people coming in
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that are either, you know, temporary foreign workers, students, foreign students here on visas, or new immigrants.
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And so I think that there's a bit of a disconnect between what the government is doing
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Or, again, you know, it comes to problems with the reporting of the mainstream media.
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And you're right about polling, too, is that the government does a lot of internal polling on immigration,
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You kind of have to dig and find it, and, you know, they're going to hide it
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because Canadians overwhelmingly don't want the kinds of immigration numbers that we have,
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And the government would prefer to just ignore that information.
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So, yeah, you know, to answer your question, yes, I think True North will continue to do these kind of polls
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to, you know, again, just make it known to Canadians that they're not alone.
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The overwhelming majority of Canadians want fewer immigrants coming to Canada every year.
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Well, you know, we used to do more polls way back in the day.
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If you ever want to go halfers on a poll, because I know polls can cost thousands of dollars,
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I bet our viewers would love to crowdfund that with you.
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I'm not looking to hone in on your turf or anything.
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But, boy, I sure enjoyed our conversation about that last one.
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And, you know, the thing about a statistically valid, independently administered poll is it's not an opinion.
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It's a factual sample, you know, within certain statistical variances.
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So it carries a weight and authoritativeness to it that I think really people, I mean, polls can't have their flaws,
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It would be fun to go in together, because you're right.
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They are costly, because, you know, you have to conduct it scientifically, like you said,
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So they usually do cost a couple hundred or a couple thousand dollars,
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depending on how many questions you ask and the sample size and stuff like that.
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But I would love to do a True North Rebel survey.
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Boy, that would make all the right people very, very mad,
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Well, listen, Candice, it's great to catch up with you.
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I mean, look, I'm pretending like this is the first introduction of you to our people.
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because it's so important that those mainstream readers have your point of view.
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I think, I regret, and I don't say this in any negative way,
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I think the day will come one day when they regard you as too politically incorrect
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But if I'm being realistic, I think one day they will say goodbye to you,
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and God forbid, and Anthony Fury and Joe Warmington and Sue Ann Levy,
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the true conservatives, say, I'm sorry to say this.
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And so I'm so glad you're building a new entity that you can step right onto
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I hope you stay there as long as possible, but I'm always afraid.
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Well, I'll just say that I think that the direction of media is changing.
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So it might be the case, Ezra, that someday down the road,
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they don't want to hear from conservatives at all.
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But I also think that someday, you know, maybe around the same time that happens,
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or maybe later, maybe earlier, newspapers won't really be a profitable endeavor anymore,
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And so if the direction they want to go is to, you know, clear house of interesting writers
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and people who propose different views, then I think that's part of what's, you know,
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leading to the demise of the industry, the traditional media industry.
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Hopefully, you know, I think that a little scrappy paper like the Toronto Sun that has
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the sort of hatred of all the other mainstream media outlets, you know,
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they're willing to stand their ground and defend writers like me, you know,
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even if I'm saying something that's not what the fancy people in Toronto believe
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So I've been incredibly grateful to the Toronto Sun for, you know, defending me
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and giving me a platform and allowing me to reach so many Canadians.
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But I do think that the media landscape is changing, and eventually,
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I don't know if it's 5, 10, 15 years down the road,
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I can't imagine that the landscape being so dominated by these big players
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that are dominated by these political elites in Toronto and Montreal.
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I think it'll change, become much more diverse, much more interesting,
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and that there'll be more voices and not fewer.
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Wow. Again, you're optimistic. I sure hope that comes true.
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I note in passing that Conrad Black mentioned in his column the other day
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that he used to be a regular guest on the radio, but he has been blackballed
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because he hasn't taken the right point of view
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because he says Canada is not systemically racist.
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And the most shocking thing about Conrad Black's comment
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is that he says Charles Adler, who himself used to be a conservative commentator
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and I wish you and True North all the success in the world.
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and may the next year be the most successful yet.
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So good luck, and you've given me a spring in my step, Candice.
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I want to be positive, and you've given me some grounds to do so.
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Happy Dominion Day to you and to your family and to your audience.
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I think, again, it's a really important day to ignore the hatred,
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ignore the trigger warnings placed on the Canadian flag
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and the people trying to tear down statues of Sir John A. Macdonald.
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Today's a day where we should really celebrate our country,
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but on Canada Day or Dominion Day, as I like to call it,
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So thank you so much for having me, and have a great holiday.
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There are a lot of great reasons to be proud and hopeful for Canada.
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I mean, really, can you name another place in the world
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But I think we have to work hard to preserve what we have
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I'm afraid of the acceleration of the bad trends.
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The pandemic has given Justin Trudeau an excuse to do things
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from censoring journalists to taking powers away from parliament
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Where are the conservative politicians of the country?
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In the last few months, as we've taken up this fight
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we've relied on the strength of you, our viewers,
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on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters