INSIDE the “deal” Trudeau's Liberals made to settle railway blockade crisis
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Did the Liberals really make a deal to settle the national railway blockades? Today, I try and make sense of the Wet'suwet'en agreement, a draft, a proposal, an arrangement, a tentative deal. I ll take you through what we know today, and give you just an amazing clip from Carolyn Bennett.
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Hello, my Rebels. Today, I try and make sense of the Wet'suwet'en agreement, draft, proposal,
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arrangement, tentative, deal. I've heard it described five different ways, and I don't
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know what it means other than there's no there there. I'll take you through what we know today,
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and I'll give you just an amazing clip from Carolyn Bennett. You got to listen to this one.
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Tonight, did the liberals really make a deal to settle the national railway blockades? It's March
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Last night, I saw this breathless press release published by Trudeau's CBC State Broadcaster.
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I think it's a press release. I don't think it's a news report. There really isn't any dividing line
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anymore between the Trudeau liberals and the Trudeau CBC. Don't take it from me. Even YouTube now has
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a disclaimer at the bottom of every CBC YouTube video online indicating that it's paid for by the
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government. It's a kind of propaganda. They do that for Al Jazeera, too. Anyways, here's the tweet.
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They reach a proposed arrangement. That's a weird choice of words, isn't it? I think normal words
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sound like reach an arrangement, but even that's weird. Reach an agreement. That's more English.
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An agreement is a deal, right? It's a contract, an exchange of promises. I agree to sell you a loaf
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of bread, and you agree to pay me $3. That's an agreement, a contracted deal. What's a proposed
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arrangement? I don't quite know, but the CBC said it. If you click on the link on that tweet, you get
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this story, which isn't really any clearer, is it? Would Suotan chiefs, ministers, reach tentative
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arrangement over land title, but debate over pipeline continues? So now we have the word
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tentative instead of proposed, and now they're saying the pipeline part is not agreed to. Hang on,
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the tweet said the proposed arrangement, whatever that is, was about the pipeline dispute. Those
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pipeline disputes, those are the only words that have clear meaning here, pipeline dispute. And then
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right there in the story, they say it doesn't cover the pipeline dispute. The debate over the pipeline
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continues. Well, what are they trying to do? Let me read some of this story. What Suotan,
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hereditary leader, says they remain opposed to the coastal gas link pipeline? Oh, so there isn't a
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deal, or an agreement, or an arrangement, or certainly not a contract or a treaty. So what is
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it exactly? What's the news? Would Suotan hereditary chief and senior government officials say they have
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reached a proposed arrangement to acknowledge land title rights established more than 20 years ago in
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a Supreme Court decision? What? What? I thought we'd done with a pipeline here. Okay, well, maybe the
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agreement speaks for itself, as they say. As in, if you can't describe something, maybe just look at it.
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I mean, if an agreement would be made of words, just look at what the words say in the agreement.
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Yeah, about that, Federal Crown Indigenous Relations Minister Carolyn Bennett and British Columbia
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Indigenous Relations Minister Scott Fraser would not give details on the proposed arrangement,
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saying it first has to be reviewed by the Wutsuotan people. Oh, okay. So it's a secret deal. But it
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isn't a deal. But it's secret. And it would be reviewed by the Wutsuotan people. But hang on,
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the Wutsuotan people have already agreed to the pipeline. 20 out of 20 First Nation bands along the route.
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That's all of them. Some of them even had referendums. They have a deal, a contract. You can
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read it. It's in plain English. You need a contract before you build a $20 billion. Actually, I learned
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today it's much bigger than that, all included. The pipeline part alone is about $6 billion. That's
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the part that these bands are most interested in. Here's a video. I'm trying to make sense of this.
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So here's a video of that Indian Affairs Minister who happens to come from Toronto, Carolyn Bennett.
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I'm sure she's a very nice lady. But she knows about as much about Indian Affairs as Seamus O'Regan,
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Trudeau's clownish energy minister, knows about oil and gas. Try and riddle me this.
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We, I believe, have come to a proposed arrangement that will also honour the protocols of the Wutsuotan
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people and clans. And obviously that what we've worked on this weekend needs to go back to those
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clans and then we have agreed that as ministers we will come back to sign if it is agreed upon
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What? Did you understand any of that? I think at one point she was trying to say the words
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Wutsuotan. That's a really hard word to say. I don't blame her for having trouble pronouncing
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that word. It's the other parts that are embarrassing, though. I don't think she knows
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anything about anything. I don't think she has anything to say. But she felt like saying
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it anyways. And the Trudeau CBC felt like reporting it because they're in deep on this with Trudeau.
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The CBC has been the chief cheerleaders of these blockades. They love it for some reason.
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Here's more from that weird CBC story yesterday. Bennett said the proposed arrangement will
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honour the protocols of the Wutsuotan people and clans. What? Lawyer Peter Grant, who represented
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the Wutsuotan and neighbouring Gitsan First Nation, said the proposal is not a treaty. It's
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a draft arrangement. But I think it's very powerful, he said. Now, hang on. I don't think I made
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it clear enough. So let me say it again. The Wutsuotan First Nation, those Indian bands were not at
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this meeting with these cabinet ministers. The guy who they were negotiating with, his name is Frank
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Alec. He's just some guy. He's calling himself Chief Woos. But he's not a chief. A chief is defined in
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the Indian Act. It's defined in law. It's like a mayor of an Indian band, really. They're elected in
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Canada. Like I say, all 20 out of 20 bands along the way, the chiefs and the councils, those are the
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First Nations. They're all on board. That would be like saying a town mayor and an alderman are on
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board. Bennett didn't meet with any of them. So this lawyer guy they're quoting, Peter Grant, I don't
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quite know who he's representing here. And I'm not even sure what he's saying other than there's a draft
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agreement. But that means it's not agreed to yet if it's just a draft. There was one guy in the
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negotiations, though, who seemed pretty sure that there was no agreement, actually, at least on the
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thing everyone's talking about, the pipeline blockades. Here's Scott Fraser, the British Columbia
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cabinet minister who was at the meetings. He said, Fraser said, the tentative land and title
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arrangement would not be retroactive on the pipeline issue. And the parties remained in disagreement about
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how to move forward. The project that's been in place, it has been permitted. And it's underway, he
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said. It's underway. Isn't it something that an NDP cabinet minister from BC in a coalition with the
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Green Party out there is more dedicated to having this pipeline proceed than a liberal cabinet minister
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from Ontario? But of course. Oh, and here's the press release put out by Coastal GasLink, the pipeline
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company itself. Coastal GasLink will resume construction activities in the Morris River area
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on Monday, March 2. That's today. Following the four-day pause to allow for constructive dialogue
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between the parties. But look at all the fake headlines today. Milestone deal. But is there a deal?
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That's the front page of the Global Mail. And every other newspaper and TV station parroted the lie.
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Why? I don't just get it. Some said the word proposed or draft, but some said there was a deal.
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Here's a tweet from Global News, which wins some sort of prize. Look at this. This is a reporter for
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Global. I'm amazed at the vitriol and sarcasm in the comments on this historic story. There is no payout,
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no checks being signed. It's about respect, recognition, and reconciliation. No money was
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sought, and it was never the point. Smarten up! No money was sought. Do you believe that? It was
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never the point. Do you believe that? This is a historic story, guys. Do you believe that?
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They have a tentative draft proposal arrangement, but not an agreement. And Sean Boynton of Global News
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has a message for anyone who doesn't think this is historic. Smarten up, you racists!
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There's a lot of lying going on. Here's David Lamedi, the justice minister for Trudeau. He's the one
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Trudeau brought in after he fired Jody Wilson-Raybould. Listen to Lamedi talk on CTV with Evan Solomon
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And he says the people that are throwing things at trains, and they look like they're trying to derail
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a train or lighting fires, should be treated as terrorist acts and as terrorists. You're the
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justice minister. Is he right? Well, I think an act of stupidity, like getting in the way of a train
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or throwing a snowball off the train, which is exceptionally dangerous, puts your own life in
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danger, far from an act of terrorism. There's a lot of hyperbole that's being added, you know,
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fuel throwing onto the fire by various people. That's not going to help us get to a solution.
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Throwing snowballs, eh? Really? Hey guys, it's really stupid to throw snowballs at trains?
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This is what the justice minister calls throwing snowballs at trains. The entire country saw this
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video, or other videos like them. So did Lamedi, of course. But he's telling you that he's willfully
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blind to this. So he's telling everyone in the government to do the same as him, including the
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RCMP, maybe even including the police and prosecutors for all the arsons and train derailments lately.
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I see another railway facility was torched. A man was arrested in Prince Rupert. We don't know his
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name at the moment. Do you think it was just random? How about all the recent derailments
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in the past few weeks? Random? Just by chance, maybe. You got yourself a fake justice minister.
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You got yourself a fake Indian affairs minister. You got fake news from the fake state broadcaster.
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But the biggest fake part, as I mentioned to you before, is this fake chief who calls himself
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Chief Woos. And that's not his name. His name is Frank Alec. Here's his LinkedIn page. It shows he's
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just a lifelong member of what I call the Indian industry. Bureaucrats and lawyers and politicians
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who live off the government, live off the system, off endless meetings and complaints and hearings.
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He's monetized the problems of his people. The Indian industry has figured out how to make a living
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off the process itself, not to actually solve the problems on reserves, but to turn those problems
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into an industry. What a difference between him and, say, the former Indian chief Ellis Ross,
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who was also recently interviewed by Evan Solomon.
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What would your message be for the leaders who are running these blockades in places like Quebec and
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Ontario and many people who are standing in solidarity with them? You're from the Heisla Nation.
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Well, if you really want to stand up for our rights, watch, we did that job 15 years ago
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and we've been steadily increasing it. That's why we have so much success in communities like mine.
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And our ultimate goal was to get away from Indian Act funding. I mean, the rest of the Indian Act
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provisions aren't even relevant to us in today's day and age. It's only the dependency on the funding
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that's actually keeping us down. Rights and title has actually opened up a whole new world for us
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where we can actually bring in our own revenues, build our own apartments, build our own houses
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or soccer fields and everything else. And it's a great feeling, you know, to say at some point in
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our future, no, Ottawa, we don't need your Indian Act funding. Take it away.
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I think there's a real issue. If anything, this thing has done is shown us that the deep divisions in
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the Wet'suwet'en territory among that nation are really at the heart of it. They haven't negotiated
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an understanding with BC and Canada on how they go forward. And look, it's not impossible. There
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are some 29 First Nations who are self-governing in Canada who have arrangements. All of them,
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I think all of them have a combination of hereditary and elected chiefs who work together
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and advance the nation's cause. So there is an issue there. They have to understand who speaks
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for them. And I think that's the thing that's bedeviled the government, the federal government,
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the BC government and the rail companies and everybody for the last, going on four weeks.
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Yeah, that panel of white baby boomer liberal women in Ottawa were shocked by Ellis Ross saying
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the government intervention and government solutions were actually the problem.
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Letting Indians build pipelines and resources is the solution. That was Tonda McCharles of the
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Toronto Star there. She couldn't very well call Ellis Ross a racist. So she sort of white-splained
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to him that you would suetane, you got to get your, you Aboriginal folks have to get your act
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together. Trudeau, come on, Trudeau's got to deal. That was so embarrassing. The First Nations
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along the route are not of two minds. Only journalists who put a microphone in front of the fake chief
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thinks so. But no, 100% of the bands on the Ritter in favor of the pipeline, that was a real Indian
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they were talking to there, Ellis Ross, not an Indian industry type Indian, not a grifter like Frank
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Alec. And here's why I call Frank Alec a grifter. That's Chief Woos, the one that Carolyn Bennett went
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with. Because until just last year, he wasn't a chief. He wasn't Chief Woos. He wasn't a hereditary chief.
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Let me read to you from the Globe and Mail itself, which seems to have forgotten what they themselves
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published. Indigenous supporters of coastal gasoline say majority with two of them members back
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project. That was their headline last June. Three prominent Indigenous women say a majority with two
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of the nation members are in favor of reaping economic benefits from a $6.2 billion pipeline project
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in British Columbia. The three women say they feel compelled to speak out after being ostracized by
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anti-pipeline protesters for supporting TC Energy Corp's Coastal Gas Link. Teresa Tate Day, Darlene
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Glame, and Gloria George want to give voice to what they consider the silent majority, according to
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their affidavits, which were filed in B.C. Supreme Court as part of Coastal Gas Link's application to
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extend an injunction to ensure protesters don't revive an anti-pipeline blockade.
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I should tell you, Carolyn Bennett refused to meet with those women. Instead, she met with Frank
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Alec. But get this, house chief titles are held for life, and after the death of the holder are passed
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to someone in the matrilineage, Ms. George said, we are not stripped like bark off a tree.
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Hereditary house chiefs say Frank Alec took over the title of woos at a ceremony in March 2,
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but Ms. Glame said many of the two attend members consider her to be the true woos,
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the hereditary chief title for grizzly house under the Git-Dumden clan.
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We are supposed to work together as people, Ms. Glame said. I hope that our nation can come
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together to heal from this situation. So exactly one year ago today, Frank Alec, a man, obviously,
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just took over a lifetime hereditary title of chief. He took it from three women,
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even though the title passes from mother to daughter to granddaughter. That's what matrilineal
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means. He's a fake. He's an imposter. So of course, Trudeau's minister met with him instead of the three
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women who support the pipeline. Frank Alec is not a real elected chief under the Indian Act. And
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according to the Wet'suwet'en tradition, he's not even a hereditary chief. He's fake. And he works
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with the fake First Nations, the Wet'suwet'en office, which isn't an Indian band at all. In fact,
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it's bought and paid for with Tides Foundation money out of California. You can find this yourself
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on the internet. They boast about it. Fake, fake, fake. Fake chief. Fake consultation. Fake agreement.
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Fake Indian band. Fake news. Why all the lying? Stay with us for more on this.
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We, I believe, have come to a proposed arrangement that will also honour the protocols of the
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Wissotan people and clans. And obviously that what we've worked on this weekend needs to go back to
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those clans. And then we have agreed that as ministers we will come back to sign if it is agreed upon
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none by the nation. Holy moly. Do you understand what any of that means? I don't. And I've watched it
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three times now. And I've done my best to read what scant reporting there is. I've read the statement.
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I've read statements from Coastal Gas Link who say they're going to go ahead with the construction
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today. I have no idea what's going on. And joining me now to help try to make some sense of this
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is our friend Manny Montenegrino who joins us now via Skype from Ottawa. Manny, great to see you again.
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Great to see you. Great to be with you, Ezra. Manny, I spent some time in my monologue today
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distinguishing between an agreement and a proposed agreement. I guess in law one would be called a
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contract. The other would be called an offer. It's all the difference in the world, isn't it?
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Until you have an agreement, you have literally nothing. Well, absolutely. And not only do you not
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have an agreement, you need to know what the previous document said, what we're moving from,
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what we're moving to. We don't know that either. Ezra, I'm like you. I'm lost as to...
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And I think Canadians, I share my frustration in that, what are we doing? Where are we going?
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And as I do with all your interviews, Ezra, I try to be informed. I try to research. I try to bring
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legal skills to the questions at hand and try to provide some useful commentary. But I was stumped on
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this one. I mean, Ezra, as we know, there are 600 nations in Canada. The What to Satan nation has 3,000
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people. Now, of the 3,000, there are five chiefs that have been appointed or elected pursuant to the
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Indian Act or the legislation in Canada. But parallel to that, there are 13 hereditary chiefs. So within that
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3,000 indigenous nation, there are five clans. And within those five clans, there are 13 houses,
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and these all have bank councils. I mean, I don't know, but the math seems to me that
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everyone is serving on some type of council. There are only three, you know, adults, I would say.
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So how do you make sense when you have 13 houses or 13 hereditary chiefs going in one direction,
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five elected chiefs going in another direction, and a number of bank councils, each with committees,
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that are representing 3,000 people? This is an impossibility to get any, and especially if you
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don't have, as lawyers, no stare decisis or some precedence to go back and say, oh no, here's
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where we were, here's where we're moving on to. It seems like we're creating everything,
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a concoction from the beginning at every time. It's an impossibility.
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You know what? Thank you for that research. I think you're exactly right.
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This chief woos, as he's calling himself, he took that hereditary title one year ago today from three
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women. Apparently they held that title jointly. My reading suggests that that's a matrilineal
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title. So that means it goes from mother to daughter. Well, Frank Alec isn't a girl. I think
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it's so opaque, so muddy. And like you say, it's about the process. It's about endless objections.
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And it reminds me of what I used to say about the Middle East peace process. Not a lot of peace,
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a lot of process though. A lot of diplomats, bureaucrats, lawyers, politicians meeting in
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five-star hotels to hammer out some meaningless piece of paper. The process itself soon became the
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point of it. I think what you have here is what has been called the Indian industry. Lawyers,
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politicians, bureaucrats who love to meet endlessly because it gives them an income and a purpose,
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but nothing's getting done to actually lift these people out of the welfare economy into the work
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economy. Yeah. And we come, I mean, add to what I've said, and we come from four and a half years now
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of what appears to be the most, um, informed government when it comes to, uh, indigenous
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rights. We had the Trudeau government, you know, apologizing to almost every first nation,
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the Trudeau government accepting 94 recommendations from the truth and reconciliation commission,
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the Trudeau government with the, with the commission on murder and missing Aboriginal women
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with all the recommendation calling connect Canada, a genocide. Well, I mean, how does,
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how do we find ourselves at the beginning again, with this one nation of 3000 people with 13 houses
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and 13 already chiefs and five elected chiefs. And we're, it's almost like we just, you know,
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fell out of the, uh, out of a Martian probe. And we fall onto this problem for the very first time.
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I thought we had done some substantial progress. There are, there are departments,
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there are payments, there are leases, there are monies being forward to taxpayers money going to
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these. I don't believe that the, the, the, this nation tax its members and, and funds itself. I
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believe that comes from some form of reparation or some form of acknowledgement of past deals.
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So, so my, my, my fear, uh, with this, and when you break it down, it comes down to one person who
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basically calls himself a heredity chief. I mean, are we down to Canada requiring every individual and
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I'm talking individual, a member of every first nations approval in some form of writing that may or may
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not be binding? Yeah. You know, it's funny you say that because, uh, there was another Trudeau
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cabinet minister, um, uh, a friend of, uh, Trudeau's who Mark Miller, Mark Miller. Thank you very much.
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I'm sorry. You just slipped my tongue. Yeah. No, that's fine. Who met in Ontario, uh, with blockaders
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there. And from what I read, at least one of the people he met with not only wasn't a band counselor
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or chief, but he had actually been arrested, uh, by Mohawk police themselves for illegal drug dealing.
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So you had, thank you very much. I forgot Mark Miller's name was on the tip of my tongue before.
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He was sitting down and meeting for half a day with literally some guy. And Manny, I got to tell you,
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if you or I stood in the middle of a railway line, we'd be arrested. And if we didn't move,
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we'd be thrown in jail. This one guy who happens to have, uh, uh, you know, he's been arrested for
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illegal drug dealing by the local band itself. He gets a full day or eight hours. I think it was
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with the cabinet. I just don't get it. Well, and I guess they also are demanding that the prime
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minister himself must meet with every person that demands a meeting. I mean, this is absurd.
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I mean, under Canadian law, we've, we have advanced our society where the cities in Canada
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can be overlooked by the province. There's no jurisdiction, sorry, by the federal government.
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The federal government has no legal obligation to even acknowledge the existence of cities.
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There are creatures of the provinces. They don't exist. And so here we have many,
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a million people in Ottawa that don't necessarily get the representation of the federal government
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with millions in Toronto. But yet we're down to the minutia of every 600 nations,
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Ezra, 600 nations. And if all we need is one, we need to have the approval of each one,
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whether they are represented or not, or whether they claim to be or not. This is,
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this is going to send investment. This is going to send everything out of Canada. And we are going
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to be in deep trouble and not. And look, I'm a resolution type of guy. I would love to see
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things resolved, but you can't resolve it. If everyone gets to set his new goalposts,
00:27:48.680
the way they see it. And this is, this is just absurd in, in, in its totality. So I, I don't,
00:27:56.680
I see it getting worse. I thought after creating two ministries, after going through an exhaustive
00:28:03.400
truth and reconciliation commission and the exhaustive murdered, missing, uh, aboriginal
00:28:09.400
commission, I thought after all that work that we have moved the yardstick. And now I find out
00:28:15.400
we're at square one on the demands. We're right at the beginning again, uh, and billions of dollars
00:28:21.240
are flowing. So, so from a person who likes to solve problems, you know, how do you solve a problem
00:28:27.160
if all the goalposts keep changing? Yeah. You know, I've seen a number of pieces written by
00:28:33.560
liberal white Toronto centric journalists saying how, uh, they're worried that this will create
00:28:41.240
a spike in racism, people reacting to these blockades. And I think they're trying to
00:28:48.200
do something else with that commentary, Manny. I think they're trying to call
00:28:51.800
anyone who's upset with these blockades racist. They're trying to scare people away from talking
00:28:57.560
about it. Uh, of course, many of the proponents of these deals are aboriginal. Like I say, 20 out of 20
00:29:03.720
groups along this pipeline support him. But I have to say in a way they're right because there's so
00:29:12.280
much goodwill in Canada, in mainstream society towards aboriginal bands, towards past conduct, past
00:29:21.480
atrocities even, or past legal inequalities that I think there is, is to this day such goodwill towards
00:29:29.560
aboriginal people. And I prove it by showing the amount of money we spend and having ministers and
00:29:34.360
ministries. And I think that these blockades and the fact that Trudeau is allowing them to be hijacked
00:29:43.160
by rogue elements, that's who I would call this fake chief woos, this Frank Alec. I think that's burning
00:29:50.920
up the goodwill. And I think I'm very afraid to say it. These rogue intransigent and sometimes eco-terrorist,
00:29:58.200
um, ragamuffins are burning up all this goodwill towards real aboriginal people. That's, I think,
00:30:07.160
in a way, this will cause racism because you have people speaking falsely in the name of all Indians,
00:30:13.080
in the name of all Indian bands, while breaking the law. I think they are burning up goodwill towards
00:30:19.000
aboriginal people, just like fake illegal immigrants burn up goodwill towards legitimate immigrants.
00:30:25.640
That's my idea. What do you think of that, Manny? Yeah, and I, I think there's some truth to that.
00:30:30.520
But I, but, but I also think even if you, if you set aside all the bad players, uh, that you've
00:30:38.200
identified in the, in this, even the good players are not what I would call orchestrated as to, and with
00:30:46.360
some form of finality of what they want. I mean, even the good players, what is the issue that we need
00:30:52.680
to resolve? I mean, it is, and, and what's, what's upsetting, and, and this is, you know,
00:30:58.200
everyone is equal, Ezra. Everyone is equal. All nations and all people are equal. Start with that.
00:31:04.680
There are good in every nation and there are bad in every nation. But for some reason or another,
00:31:10.680
the assumption is that the, the, the bona fides of every indigenous person is, is, is without
00:31:20.200
reproach. It is superb, excellent at its best. And the bona fides of every government that deals with
00:31:27.960
indigenous is, is black, bad and, and, and not good. And I don't know why we are that. I don't know why
00:31:35.080
we accept that, that, that, that, that we had chief Spence. We, we, and this was during Harper's
00:31:41.320
administration who committed, I think her, her bank committed some financial fraud and, and, and,
00:31:48.920
and she was outed and, and, and, and they were, the auditors went in and sought fraud yet, even at the,
00:31:57.240
at the finding of fraud, her bona fides were so great that then opposition, Justin Trudeau
00:32:04.760
ran and met with her and sat with her to, to, to, to, to, you know, air and support her grievance,
00:32:11.480
her hunger strike. Well, he set the precedent. I mean, prime minister Harper said, well, wait a
00:32:17.160
minute, we're not going to at least deal with people who commit fraud on their people and on
00:32:22.680
their indigenous people and on the Canadians. We can't say that they have bona fides, but prime
00:32:28.280
minister Trudeau or then opposition leader Trudeau ran there, met with him. Why would
00:32:34.680
every indigenous person, whether, whether acting with great bona fides or what you call the,
00:32:43.960
that group that isn't demand a meeting for Trudeau? He set the bar that low. They, they are beyond
00:32:51.240
reproach. And this is where we come to this great confusion where we don't even ask the bona fides.
00:32:57.400
I'm, I understand. And you could do some research that some of these nations are receiving foreign
00:33:03.720
funds, foreign U S funds to fund them. The media doesn't even ask, well, wait a minute. Do they
00:33:09.320
have a conflict of interest? Are they acting in good faith when they're negotiating with the
00:33:13.880
government of Canada? We're not even allowed to know that we're not even allowed to ask that question.
00:33:18.680
So our own key and Bextie did some research. Yes. There's something called the, um, uh,
00:33:25.080
what to attend treaty office. It's a corporation. It's not an Indian band and it receives money.
00:33:31.000
You can find their financials right online. They boast that they receive money from the tides
00:33:36.360
foundation. They're a corporation gets foreign funding and they're not a democratically legitimate
00:33:42.520
institution. They're not a town. They're not an Indian band. It's, it's a company. And what,
00:33:49.960
what drives me nuts, Manny, is that all this effort is being made by Trudeau. He's sending ministers,
00:33:56.280
the BC government sending a minister, coastal gas link is doing things, but they're not actually
00:34:02.600
meeting with the legitimate Indian bands. So if you're, uh, you told us about all the different bands
00:34:08.760
and chiefs and it's a little complicated, but if you're an Indian in the Wet'suwet'en area and you're
00:34:14.200
following the rules and following the Indian act and doing things the right way and signing agreements
00:34:19.640
with the pipeline company, and then Trudeau's team comes to town and won't even meet with you.
00:34:26.680
They'll meet with the rogue unelected elements. Why should you follow the rules anymore? You're not
00:34:32.520
getting ahead by following the rules. Why should a pipeline company follow the rules if the rules mean
00:34:38.120
nothing? I'm afraid that, that this will just further cement the chaos and anarchy reputation
00:34:45.160
that Canada's getting. And absolutely. And, uh, but it's, it's so the bigger picture as we talked
00:34:51.560
about it is all the pipelines. It's really, this is, I don't know if this is, this is a canary in the
00:34:57.400
coal mine, but the big pipelines, which are, which are now, uh, being, being, you know, stopped,
00:35:04.040
set back, uh, uh, destroyed and not proceeded with. But if you think about it, Ezra, there is
00:35:10.600
the, the price differential that Canada gets on its oil that it can only sell to America because
00:35:17.240
it can't sell it to any other country in the world is $25 billion. Now, Ezra, I'm going to put it to you.
00:35:24.280
You're an American, you're an American conglomerate, a bunch of companies that are buying Canadian oil,
00:35:29.480
and you're getting a $25 billion discount. Would you spend a few million or even up to a billion
00:35:36.760
to, to create chaos seed, seed a division in Canada and to make sure our oil industry never survives
00:35:45.000
while us becomes the number one leader in oil production and oil sales and is an exporter.
00:35:52.120
I mean, it's so, it's so sad to see that they are pouring money into Canada and through these
00:35:58.920
indigenous, uh, first nations that we're not even allowed to ask questions about. You know,
00:36:04.120
it reminds me, I mean, this is absurd because you know, you can do it with impunity. You can give
00:36:10.760
money. American companies can give money to first nations and no one will ask a question and say,
00:36:16.520
what are their bona fides? Are they acting in good faith?
00:36:19.480
Yeah. And they can launder that money. The Tides Foundation in San Francisco and Tides Canada in,
00:36:25.400
in Vancouver, uh, which was started off as a branch plant of the San Francisco operation.
00:36:30.360
They specialize in what they call donor directed giving, which is a fancy way of saying money
00:36:35.800
laundering as in someone can donate money to the term that Canada Revenue Agency uses is a conduit. So
00:36:44.680
someone gives money to the Tides Foundation in San Francisco, their identity is kept secret. And the
00:36:52.440
Tides Foundation gives it to whom the original donor directed that dark money in return. Tides gets a
00:37:00.600
commission, I don't know, five or 10%. So that money that's pouring into the Wet'suwet'en treaty office,
00:37:07.000
that fake corporation, or any of these other bands that take Tides money, it could come from an American
00:37:12.520
competitor, it could come from an ideologue like George Soros, or it could come, frankly, from
00:37:19.800
a foreign competitor, OPEC. You know, uh, this coastal gas link pipeline, Manny, it's natural gas. That's
00:37:25.880
the gas part of it. Right. So it's, who are the biggest, uh, reserves in the world for natural gas?
00:37:32.520
Russia, Iran, and Qatar. Those are the top three countries for natural gas. Now, the United States
00:37:42.120
and Australia are really coming on board with their fracked natural gas. So who wants to stop Canadian
00:37:48.680
natural gas from going to Asian markets? Well, I just listed to you five countries, and we're talking
00:37:57.320
about billions of dollars a day in this market. I mean, the world demand for oil is a hundred million
00:38:04.200
barrels a day. So if the price is, let's just say 50 bucks for argument, that's five billion dollars
00:38:11.000
a day. Absolutely. So shutting down Canada for a billion, for two billion dollars, is the best
00:38:18.520
investment these competitors will ever make. Absolutely. And we are just jumping on it. We're
00:38:24.600
saying, fine, let's do this. And we're using, you know, the plight of people's lives in order to
00:38:31.720
help foreign oil and gas companies. I, it, it breaks my heart to see that after all this focus,
00:38:39.800
we still have indigenous people, nations that don't have clean water, but they're billions pouring in
00:38:46.440
and much, much more coming into the, uh, to the, uh, various bands. So, um, I, you know, I,
00:38:54.440
I like to some problem solve and I can't believe in 2020 from what I've heard and read, we're back
00:39:02.280
to square one, it seems with at least this one nation. And believe me, if that's the truth of this
00:39:08.600
one nation, I, I, you know, the Mohawks in Ontario and, and, and, and the rest of the nations are going to
00:39:14.600
sit there and say, what a precedent we have. Yeah. Let's start from square one and let's
00:39:19.000
renegotiate. Yeah. It looks like we have 600 vetoes, one for every first nation. And then
00:39:23.640
every rogue breakaway branch of those 600 gets a veto too. I am worried that actual Aboriginal
00:39:33.000
entrepreneurs will be set back here. And that's, that's a shame. Of course, our whole country is
00:39:38.520
being set back. Manny, it's great to catch up with you and to go through this. Thank you, my friend.
00:39:42.280
No problem. That's right. Take care. All right. Stay with us. More ahead on the record.
00:39:56.120
Hey, welcome back on my show, uh, on Friday from CPAC in Washington, DC. Mike writes,
00:40:01.560
a rebel organized Canadian CPAC. What a great idea. Have it near Ottawa in the late spring,
00:40:05.800
early autumn in a big tent. I like that idea. Um, I think though, a lot of conservative big shots
00:40:13.960
would be scared away by the media party, um, in a way that they're not scared off from CPAC. CPAC
00:40:21.800
had a whole spectrum of conservatives, um, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives,
00:40:28.760
nationalist conservatives, open borders conservatives, if that's such a thing.
00:40:32.680
Everyone felt comfortable to go there. And the media weren't really trying to pick off people
00:40:36.840
and say, do you mean to say you're going to a conservative event with him and him? In Canada,
00:40:41.560
uh, the media party would tear to shreds, most conservative leaders who attended such an event
00:40:48.200
and scare them off. Um, that's sort of what they do in Canada. So I wonder if our Canadian
00:40:55.320
political leadership would have the courage to come to a Canadian CPAC. Grassroots people would,
00:41:01.080
but I wonder what speakers would. Millie writes, Canadians need to take a page from the Americans
00:41:06.760
and not let the left bully us into feeling ashamed to be conservative. Exactly right. And I think the
00:41:11.480
big difference is in the United States, they have a guy who loves to fight back against the media.
00:41:17.160
His name is Donald Trump. And even though the media is overwhelmingly against him, he's
00:41:21.880
such a brawler. He's that straight fighter from New York. He can take them all on and the crowd cheers
00:41:29.240
with him. I don't know if we have a person like that in Canada in elected office.
00:41:34.520
What can Canada learn from CPAC? Devin writes, maybe don't kick out popular conservative figures like
00:41:41.160
Gavin McInnes. Well, Gavin's being kicked out of a lot of places. They did kick him out of CPAC.
00:41:46.840
Uh, and I'm not sure exactly why I saw Gavin when he was down there and, and he seemed to enjoy it,
00:41:53.480
but I don't know the whole story there. But Gavin is an example of someone who is being de-platformed.
00:41:59.880
And I think that's the number one threat to conservatives these days, censorship and de-platforming.
00:42:06.360
And in Canada, the chief prosecutors of censorship and de-platforming are ironically,
00:42:13.000
the media themselves. That's our show for today. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at
00:42:18.040
Rebel World Headquarters, see you at home. Good night, and keep fighting for freedom.