Rebel News Podcast - March 26, 2021


Isabel Brown： Conservatives Are The Counterculture


Episode Stats

Length

46 minutes

Words per Minute

190.37288

Word Count

8,892

Sentence Count

460

Misogynist Sentences

23

Hate Speech Sentences

17


Summary

Isabel Brown is a political commentator, spokesperson for Turning Point USA, and author of the new book, Frontlines: Finding My Voice on American College Campus. She is also the creator of the Freedom Seed series, which is a series of short, informational political videos.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Isabel Brown is a political commentator, spokesperson for Turning Point USA, and author of the new
00:00:26.280 book, Frontlines, Finding My Voice on American College Campus. You can buy it on isabel-brown.com
00:00:32.640 and also find her on Instagram at theisabelbrown, where she posts her content as well as pictures
00:00:38.360 of her corgi. Isabel, thanks for joining us today. How are you? Doing great. Love the mention of my
00:00:45.200 corgi. She's the best part of every day for me, and I'm so glad to be joining you today. Great. Yeah,
00:00:50.400 that's freedom, guns, and corgis I get a lot from, and of course your content. And speaking
00:00:56.520 of your content, something I noticed that you started recently, I think, was the Freedom
00:01:01.200 Seed series, which is a series of short, like, informational political videos, and I wanted
00:01:06.220 to jump right into some of those. Hate speech is one of the first topics I noticed, and
00:01:11.860 that's something I'm very adamant about. I love free speech. I wish we had it here where
00:01:17.140 I was, and so I want to play this first video of yours and get you to expand on what exactly
00:01:21.740 it is that you meant. Do we have that, Justin?
00:01:24.820 Here's your daily Freedom Seed. Last month, I told you nearly half of Americans believe
00:01:34.180 hate speech should be illegal. Good news for you. True hate speech is. We already have legal
00:01:39.940 protections for true hate speech under law in the United States. American law limits our
00:01:44.860 freedom of speech in nine different categories. Obscenity, fighting words, defamation, including
00:01:50.420 libel and slander, which is when your words end up causing harm to someone else's reputation
00:01:55.740 or livelihood. Child pornography, perjury or lying under oath, blackmail, incitement to imminent
00:02:02.520 lawless action, true threats, and solicitations to commit crimes. When someone commits one of those
00:02:08.400 nine actions, they are breaking the law and ultimately are eligible to be prosecuted and
00:02:13.860 convicted of a crime. Hate speech under law is a protected form of speech, and we shouldn't
00:02:18.700 classify any offensive language as criminal when my definition of offensive is probably
00:02:23.900 dramatically different from yours.
00:02:25.960 Now, Isabel, I think that should probably be shown in schools. I know far leftists would
00:02:32.460 say that's evil propaganda to share that knowledge with people, but why do you think that there's
00:02:37.360 this sort of a movement going on from young people where they think they should be able
00:02:41.280 to be sheltered from mean words or criticisms that they don't like?
00:02:46.520 Ultimately, I think a lot of this boils down to the fact that in America, we are culturally
00:02:50.880 being taught that we should always avoid talking about any subject that has a basis in values,
00:02:57.280 especially if you think you're going to disagree with someone on those topics. So even around
00:03:01.900 the dinner table with your immediate family, you are adamantly discouraged by our society to
00:03:06.940 talk about both politics and religion and any other value system whatsoever. Essentially,
00:03:11.900 that means that young people are showing up to their college campuses and they're being
00:03:15.740 taught that free speech is a scary thing, that people disagreeing with you is going to
00:03:20.740 cause you emotional harm at the very least and therefore should be banned. Things like,
00:03:25.920 I love Donald Trump as president of the United States or we need strong border security are now
00:03:31.060 being categorized as some sort of hateful language that's ultimately causing emotional harm to other
00:03:36.680 people. That's what people my age like to call hate speech in the United States. But the reality is
00:03:41.960 my definition of what's offensive is so much dramatically different from many of my peers. And it always
00:03:47.300 depends on who's in charge and who is in power in politics and government to change that definition
00:03:52.800 over and over and over again. Instead of limiting speech from other people that we disagree with, we
00:03:57.540 should instead learn how to talk to each other about these things that we disagree with. And I think
00:04:02.340 many people unfortunately don't know that restrictions on speech do already exist in the United States.
00:04:08.520 There is a limit on what you can and cannot say and that's never talked about on college campuses or in
00:04:13.520 culture in our country. Well, for sure. I agree with everything you've said there. And is there a way
00:04:18.860 that you can see other than you're doing your part, you're making these videos. I think they're good.
00:04:23.120 Is there a way we can steer people away from this? Don't talk about religion or politics. You're going to
00:04:29.260 you're going to come off as bad. Is there a way to steer people away from that notion?
00:04:33.680 I think it really just starts with us being willing to take the first step in doing just that and having
00:04:39.620 these very crucial conversations with our friends, our family members, our peers that we know disagree
00:04:45.000 with us, our professors in class and anyone else you can think of in your life. In my own experiences,
00:04:50.720 I've had so many productive conversations with people that I knew disagreed with me, but we took
00:04:56.480 the time to be patient and respectful and kind and ask all the right questions of why I was coming
00:05:02.220 from my perspective, why they were coming from theirs and what we had in common at the end of the day.
00:05:07.240 The truth is, most of us agree on where we want to go as a country and even as a free world,
00:05:12.620 we just disagree on how to get there. So if we can get over this cultural division
00:05:16.780 that our political and cultural leaders are saying is so categorized in the United States,
00:05:22.400 especially on college campuses and in entertainment, that's how we can discover that we can come
00:05:26.860 together on most things. Now, did you see all the stuff around Piers Morgan and the Meghan Markle
00:05:33.100 stuff? Are you privy to that knowledge? I sure did. Yeah. Why do you think that identity is brought
00:05:39.620 up? Because I watched it the other day and Sharon Osbourne's defending him, saying he's not racist.
00:05:44.900 Now, all of a sudden, she's racist. She has to apologize. Why are why is identity always used
00:05:50.160 here? Is it a deflection from having to answer the actual questions and discover the actual truth?
00:05:55.740 And that's just one example. But yeah, sadly, in 2021, everything makes you racist in one way or
00:06:03.580 another. So everyone is learning that they have to apologize for things that they said that they
00:06:08.400 thought that they didn't say, because as the left says in America, silence is violence, but speech is
00:06:13.900 also violent. So be prepared to be apologizing for a lot of things in our woke culture today.
00:06:19.520 I think this concept of identity really centers around the fact that the left loves to identify
00:06:24.820 people as a group, not as an individual. And this pertains to a lot of their policies
00:06:29.880 that they put into effect here in America and around the world as well. They're not interested
00:06:34.680 in your individualism. And that's why free speech isn't important. Why the American dream is considered
00:06:39.880 dead from the political left today. Why they're making it harder to get a job or start a business,
00:06:44.680 but easier to be dependent on the government, because it's much easier to identify you as a
00:06:50.180 black American or a female American or some sort of minority group, or even just as a whole individuals
00:06:56.080 who no longer are an individual, but instead are a group of people subservient to the role of the
00:07:01.980 government from the federal level down. That group identity is largely highlighted in race above all
00:07:08.860 else. And a lot of that has to do with our culture, highlighting groups like the Black Lives Matter
00:07:13.400 Incorporated movement and even Antifa spewing some of that information as well. But yeah,
00:07:18.660 today the big buzzword is racism. And truthfully, everything has been labeled as racist from Dr.
00:07:24.340 Seuss books to Piers Morgan's comments on Meghan Markle on international television.
00:07:29.440 You're just so wise beyond your years as well. I'm pretty sure you're actually 75 years old.
00:07:34.700 I would agree with that actually.
00:07:36.700 Stay tuned for your birth certificate to be revealed on the show.
00:07:39.500 Gun rights is something else you talk about a lot, especially in these freedom seeds. I like that
00:07:44.600 one as well. And if you're not aware, we have no real gun rights in Canada. They're being taken away
00:07:49.980 by name all the time. They have a big list of banned guns that they add to all the time because
00:07:55.680 they can't ban them from a functionality standpoint, because that wouldn't make any sense.
00:08:00.240 So you come at it from another angle, though, that I don't think I see anybody talking about it in
00:08:06.320 Canada. So let's show that clip, Justin, and I want to get your explanation for that one as well.
00:08:11.220 Freedom seed. Gun rights are women's rights. It's a biological fact that men and women are built
00:08:16.940 differently. Don't at me, leftists. It's the truth. On average, biological men have a greater height and
00:08:22.720 muscle mass than women. So what happens when a large man tries to attack me, a five foot one woman?
00:08:29.060 I'm tough, but I don't have a lot of options. Firearms can act as an important equalizer to give
00:08:34.440 good women attacked by bad men the chance to defend themselves. It's no surprise then that women are
00:08:40.440 the fastest growing demographic of gun owners. In fact, specifically women between the ages of 18
00:08:46.200 and 34 are the most likely to become gun owners. So what's the deal with women buying so many guns?
00:08:52.360 Simple, for protection. A 2017 Pew Research study found that nearly 70 percent of female gun owners
00:08:58.560 cite personal protection as their primary reason for owning a gun. A lot of hate speech in there,
00:09:04.100 Isabel, I gotta say. So to play devil's advocate on that, what would you say is a stat or evidence
00:09:11.140 showing that more women should be carrying for their own protection? Yeah, unfortunately, the data
00:09:16.880 just isn't really out there when it comes to proving carrying every day can protect you. And a lot of that
00:09:22.240 has to do with the fact that many of the instances where women do prove to defend themselves and protect
00:09:27.880 themselves in situations of attack don't get reported when a firearm is being used. So I would
00:09:33.040 direct people who are listening to this program maybe to the FBI. They have some great statistics
00:09:37.720 on gun use and stories of gun use being used in defensive situations to save someone's life.
00:09:43.360 But the data is out there when it comes to the individual being a woman protecting themselves
00:09:48.960 against a man. You know, I think it's sad today that gender is being so dramatically erased,
00:09:55.420 not just in the U.S., but around the world. And at first, it was masculinity being attacked,
00:10:00.180 that that was toxic and not supposed to be present in society. And today in 2021,
00:10:05.480 it's femininity and women that are being attacked by our society and our culture. Instead,
00:10:10.240 we're all just supposed to be non-binary, live outside of this male or female option
00:10:15.360 and somehow lie in the middle. You see women being spelled W-O-M-X-N today in America because
00:10:22.400 there are women who are not women, apparently, which is very confusing. And the mental gymnastics
00:10:27.420 associated with that is enough to tire out anybody, even if you do work in politics and have to deal
00:10:32.840 with this stuff every day. But yeah, 70% of new gun owners who are women in America cite personal
00:10:39.140 protection as their primary reason for wanting to purchase a firearm. That's a statistic that
00:10:44.500 people should be paying attention to. Feminists, women's rights advocates, leftist groups and
00:10:49.300 conservative groups alike. This is not a political issue. This is a human rights issue. And it makes
00:10:54.520 me sick to my stomach every time I read another story of a young woman who went out for a job
00:10:59.460 or who lives alone in her apartment and is taken advantage of because of the known factual biological
00:11:04.900 differences between men and women. I have a concealed carry permit here in the United States and I do
00:11:10.360 carry a personal firearm for protection. That's a decision that I made on my own. But I can tell
00:11:15.640 you there are dozens of people in my own life, conservative and liberal alike, who have made the
00:11:19.800 same decision. And I think when we can remove this political stigma associated with the Second
00:11:24.400 Amendment, we know that this is a human rights problem, not just a political one. And the Second
00:11:29.140 Amendment was created to allow for protection for all Americans, regardless of who you vote for.
00:11:34.320 I think that's really cool, Isabelle. And obviously, I think that the most obvious reason that you
00:11:40.140 mentioned as a great equalizer would be sexual assault. Now, you're on college campuses, you're
00:11:46.060 out there with your male counterpart, I'll call him Will Witt. You guys can just change genders now,
00:11:52.420 I think. But when you're on college campuses and you're explaining this to maybe girls, maybe boys as
00:11:59.100 well, is there a common answer as to why they shouldn't get a gun? Because I think ingrained in
00:12:06.120 them a lot of times, especially in California, where I think you guys are both from, it's very
00:12:12.140 anti-gun. And then even we've seen with incidents there in the no-gun zones, of course, there's the
00:12:16.820 shooter there. Is there a common answer or excuse that is given as to why, no, we should still not
00:12:22.480 allow guns to be purchased. We still need more restrictions. Is there something that you hear
00:12:27.760 often? I'm actually from Colorado, which is another state that has a complete assault on the Second
00:12:34.320 Amendment and is really doing everything they can to prevent gun ownership as much as possible. But
00:12:39.040 I've done a lot of work in California and arguably they have some of the strictest gun control in the
00:12:44.120 country when it comes to your ability to own the firearm of your choosing, to have extended magazines that
00:12:49.640 have more than 10 bullets in them, and obviously to exercise your right to carry, which is the
00:12:54.560 natural progression of what happens after you buy a firearm. You want to have it with you all the
00:12:58.780 time for personal protection. It's a dangerous situation when we're seeing this limitation of
00:13:03.880 the ability of people to take care of themselves and defend themselves, especially on college campuses.
00:13:09.480 And there's a very, very small number of states in America that allow for something called campus
00:13:14.060 carry, meaning you can conceal carry a firearm on your college campus, public or private.
00:13:19.640 Obviously some of those schools have different rules, but I was very fortunate in Colorado
00:13:23.600 to have access to campus carry. And that was always one of my primary concerns was sexual assault.
00:13:29.700 You see on college campuses in America, and I'm not sure if the same is true where you are from or in
00:13:34.380 Europe or around the world, but we have little stations that have a blue call light. So it's like
00:13:39.520 a little blue light and you call the police on this phone pole essentially. And then you wait
00:13:44.240 at one of these stations if you find yourself in danger on campus. What I love to tell people is
00:13:49.380 the reality is if you call the police from one of these stations, it's going to take several minutes,
00:13:54.120 if not up to 10 or 15 minutes for the police to get there and diffuse whatever situation you feel
00:13:59.700 uncomfortable in. When you have the ownership and the training and the proper responsibility under
00:14:04.800 your belt to defend yourself, it takes two seconds instead of a few minutes or 10 minutes or 15 minutes
00:14:10.680 or 20 minutes. And you just have so much more control over the situation and you're empowered
00:14:15.240 to deal with whatever you're dealing with in that moment rather than being completely reliant
00:14:20.180 on someone else. I think the reasons for limiting gun ownership through gun control from the left
00:14:26.320 all center around emotional arguments. There's not a lot of logic there, but they point towards
00:14:31.700 school shootings. They point toward situations of negligent discharges from guns where people
00:14:37.360 accidentally fired their gun when they weren't meaning to. And that is so unbelievably rare when
00:14:43.120 you think about the gun ownership rate in the United States and how many people have access to
00:14:47.620 a firearm all the time. The reality is if you have the right training, you're constantly practicing
00:14:52.440 and you're taking ownership of your empowerment through owning a firearm, you are going to be so much
00:14:58.520 better prepared to handle any emergency that you are a part of or that your family, friends and
00:15:03.980 community might be a part of as well. So we try to break down the logical arguments there and avoid
00:15:09.460 some of these emotional conversations, which are tragic and harrowing. But even those things could
00:15:14.360 have prevented themselves had there been a good guy with a gun who was well trained and equipped to
00:15:19.840 handle those situations. Yeah. And I think the knowledge of firearms is incredibly low amongst those
00:15:26.680 who are against it. I mean, I wish I'd queued up the video here, but there's a clip of mine from when I first
00:15:33.180 started doing Streeters for Rebel News where I was asking people about an assault rifle ban and what was
00:15:38.380 an assault rifle. None of them knew. One guy who really thought he knew thought that the measurement was an
00:15:43.560 assault rifle can shoot three to four blocks. I'd never heard that measurement for bullet distance before.
00:15:49.660 But the gun ban is gun specifically for assault weapons. Do you know what an assault rifle is?
00:15:54.860 Yeah, assault rifle would be like a hunting rifle, long, and it'd be long range, like probably four blocks.
00:16:05.180 But that's the level of knowledge on guns from the anti-gun crowd. I think most people would understand
00:16:12.540 that it's for self-protection and we don't want to go too far. But then again, we don't have a constitution
00:16:17.980 here that says we have the right, whereas I wish we did. Some other video that I liked of yours was the
00:16:24.380 Women's March of last year. And I have a lot of questions about how it would compare to 2021.
00:16:29.820 Obviously, it didn't really happen this year, which is what we'll get to. So let's play that March,
00:16:34.780 Women's March video from last year. I believe that women could do whatever they want and they are not
00:16:41.900 like less than men. Like it really is a man's world and I feel like we should change that.
00:16:46.620 It's like as a man, what rights do I have that you don't have? Inherently, men are still getting paid
00:16:51.180 more. Have you ever thought that maybe women choose jobs that pay less than men? So then the wage gap
00:16:57.340 reflects that they choose jobs that pay less. You know, men mostly dominate like engineering and stuff
00:17:02.220 like that that pays more. Now math and science is dominated with women, but men are still getting the
00:17:07.180 jobs because they're men. Your dog is very, very sweet. Dogs for women's rights. 2020 marks the year
00:17:13.740 that there is less access to abortion clinics in America since 1978. Hateful, horrible things to
00:17:21.100 continue. It's not just Trump. It's all the people that support him. The president is the worst of any
00:17:27.660 human being. Now, as well, why no big march this year? Is it because there's no Trump? We saw Black Lives Matter
00:17:34.940 and all these other marches going on all summer long. Why nothing this year? Or was there one that
00:17:39.740 I missed? I don't think there's one that you missed. Ultimately, I think most of this centers
00:17:44.940 around all of the restrictions in these big cities that are run by Democrats when it comes to COVID-19
00:17:50.460 regulations. Big gatherings like this just aren't happening in 2021. The March for Life was largely online
00:17:56.780 as well. So I think we're going to be seeing sort of a diminishment of these big marches and
00:18:01.420 gatherings and protests throughout the next few months at the very least. But my hope is that they
00:18:05.740 do come back because it is very enlightening to speak to some of these people about why they're
00:18:10.540 attending these marches, why they genuinely believe women have less rights than men in America and around
00:18:16.540 the world. Obviously, there's zero evidence to back up their claims and they're sort of just regurgitating
00:18:21.420 talking points that they've heard from politicians or cultural figures. But it's important to have
00:18:26.380 these conversations because you have to understand where the left is coming from in order to properly
00:18:31.580 negate their arguments. So who do you think they would blame this time around? It's 2021. Joe Biden's
00:18:37.420 the president. He won by 600 trillion votes, Isabel. What is the thesis around any of these protests
00:18:46.220 going to be? Because they've, for the large part, not been about what they say they about. March for
00:18:50.540 your lives is march against Trump, women's marches, march against Trump with different hats on.
00:18:56.460 Where are we going to place this blame? Is there a new talking point that I'm not familiar with?
00:19:01.660 Incredibly, all of these marches and organizations are still anti-Trump and he seems to be
00:19:07.740 rent free in the minds of leftists, even as he's playing golf down in Florida at Mar-a-Lago. So I think
00:19:13.580 at least for the next few months, they can probably get away with continuing to blame everything on our
00:19:18.620 former president. But you're absolutely right. At some point, that's not a valid excuse anymore.
00:19:23.500 And there needs to be an honest conversation about what they're upset about and who is responsible for
00:19:28.300 those actions.
00:19:29.500 Now, overall, I wanted to get to where you think a lot of these thoughts and beliefs come from.
00:19:34.140 But I do want to package it up with this next clip of yours,
00:19:37.420 sort of along the same lines of the whole gender argument here from the women's march.
00:19:43.100 And it's another great one from you guys, which is who should pay for a date? I really enjoy this
00:19:47.580 one. Can we play that one, please? I definitely hold doors like chivalry's not all the way dead.
00:19:51.580 Do you think that the idea of traditional gender roles is still important in relationships?
00:19:56.060 On occasion, but no, I think we're getting further and further away from that in today's society.
00:20:01.100 It's more of a social thing and less of a gender thing because gender roles change per culture.
00:20:05.900 I think the roles have definitely changed a little bit, but I think it's definitely important,
00:20:10.380 like to keep the main ones in place, such as the man opening the door for the girl.
00:20:14.460 Would you ever propose to the man? I don't think so.
00:20:17.900 I wouldn't care if a woman proposed, but like I said, I would probably propose.
00:20:24.140 Would you ever propose to a man? No, no.
00:20:27.580 Good. Just because I feel like that's just a guy's role, you know?
00:20:31.740 I 100% agree. I think marriage is outdated. I think that was something used back then to connect
00:20:36.940 families and, you know, have peace among families. I don't really believe in marriage anymore.
00:20:41.660 I just believe love the person that you're with.
00:20:44.380 Marriage is about connecting families, Isabel. He's really taking the like 13th century approach to
00:20:49.980 that. You send your princess across Europe to another family, they get married, they consummate it
00:20:56.620 there. Where do you think that a lot of this thinking is ingrained from? Because really it's only
00:21:01.660 popped up over the last 20 years, I want to say. Most of this completely centers around something
00:21:07.580 I spoke about earlier on this podcast, and that's eliminating the idea of individuality and assigning
00:21:13.260 everybody to a group. And we'll talk about the most extreme level of that right now, but I think
00:21:17.740 these are all stepping stones to get to this end goal from the most progressive left in America.
00:21:23.340 Black Lives Matter Inc. recently released a statement when they first popped up their new website last
00:21:28.220 summer in 2020 that one of their primary goals as an organization was to completely get rid of the
00:21:33.820 nuclear family in the United States and around the world. In their view, the nuclear family is this
00:21:39.580 oppressive, patriarchal, capitalist engine in order to keep controlling people rather than all living
00:21:45.980 harmoniously and doing whatever you want and, you know, identifying yourself as a group and a community
00:21:51.580 living in a commune rather than a family. So their goal was actually to completely get rid of the
00:21:56.620 idea of mothers and fathers and instead have surrogate parents and the entire community
00:22:02.140 raises a child with zero gender identity. They can choose for themselves and the whole nine yards
00:22:07.820 of nonsense there. That is the end goal of the progressive left in America. So when it comes to
00:22:12.940 degrading gender identity and gender roles, the things that we're seeing today getting rid of
00:22:17.980 masculinity and femininity. California, for example, is getting rid of boys and girls sections
00:22:23.260 in department stores or toy stores. No longer can you spell women with an E or men with an E.
00:22:28.940 Uh, we're getting to this point where we're not identified by our unique characteristics as
00:22:34.140 individuals, myself being a biological woman and having the capacity to create life being one of the
00:22:39.580 most important aspects of my identity. But instead we're all just people. It's kept generic on purpose
00:22:46.060 because they want to keep the human population as generic as possible in order to be subservient to one
00:22:52.700 overarching power, that being the government. So ultimately, I think this assault on marriage is
00:22:57.420 really connected to getting rid of the nuclear family and ultimately getting rid of your unique
00:23:02.940 individual or familial identity to begin with. Now, Isabel, on more of a personal level,
00:23:08.460 you're out there, you're with the most masculine guy ever, Will Witt. Shout out to Will Witt. You're
00:23:13.580 interviewing these people in California and maybe there's a bit of it in Colorado like you mentioned,
00:23:17.740 but having been in these conservative circles and you probably are friends with a lot of, uh,
00:23:23.500 more of true, let's call it traditional gender roles, even though I think that would just be normal.
00:23:27.980 Um, are you seeing a lot of this from men you interact with, from girls you interact with? Because
00:23:33.740 I watched something from California, like, um, something I had written down was Logan Paul versus
00:23:38.780 Caitlin Bennett. And all the guys on his show, it's pretty obvious they're from California and grew up there.
00:23:43.740 They're offended by any little nugget of, of truth that she says that isn't completely progressive.
00:23:49.900 They're shocked to hear even the notion of anything. Uh, I'm afraid to say these things on
00:23:54.940 YouTube because I'll get taken down. Do you notice it in your day-to-day life and your interactions with
00:23:59.420 people? I don't see it as much now that I've graduated from my undergraduate and graduate school
00:24:05.580 programs on my college campuses. I see it obviously when I travel to speak to student groups
00:24:10.860 at their universities, but a lot of this follows political lines and the different political
00:24:16.140 ideologies in America. The left overwhelmingly is leaning into this woke culture as much as humanly
00:24:22.860 possible, uh, afraid to offend anybody. And that's where you're seeing all these problems of pronouns,
00:24:27.980 signs outside of bathrooms, and things like the Equality Act going through our United States Congress
00:24:32.940 that passed completely along party lines in the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate.
00:24:38.060 Whereas conservatives amazingly are becoming counter-cultural in an unexpected way
00:24:43.180 by embracing traditional gender roles, getting married very young and having lots and lots of
00:24:47.660 children and overwhelmingly returning to the church in America, which is a very interesting phenomenon.
00:24:53.180 I don't think we could have predicted even just a few years ago. If you engage in the most
00:24:57.820 progressive aspects of culture, social media, large corporations, college campuses, that's where you're
00:25:03.100 seeing a lot of this insane culture start to generate and then spread throughout the United
00:25:07.900 States of America. So it's definitely out there, but doing what I do as an outspoken conservative and
00:25:12.780 mostly engaging with people who I agree with every day, I don't see a lot of it in my own social circles.
00:25:18.380 Well, I'm glad that you managed to escape. I work in Toronto here in Canada. It's impossible to escape it
00:25:24.380 just walking around. Guy on his bike, riding a bike, wearing a mask, you know, that sort of stuff.
00:25:30.140 Oh yeah.
00:25:31.180 I want to talk about your book. It's called Frontlines, Finding My Voice
00:25:35.020 on an American College Campus Paperback. I'll say it properly for you guys. Frontlines,
00:25:41.260 Finding My Voice on an American College Campus. It's available on your website and I believe on Amazon and
00:25:47.420 Barnes and Noble as well. What inspired the books? What inspired the book, particularly in the sense
00:25:54.220 that I'm curious to know what really opened your eyes or have you always been conservative?
00:26:01.100 I have always been conservative, but politics was never something that I wanted to engage in
00:26:06.380 professionally. It was always just a personal hobby for me when I was a younger child and in high
00:26:11.340 school. I actually went to college to become a doctor. My dream was to be a trauma surgeon and I
00:26:16.940 studied biomedical sciences at the large research university in my home state of Colorado,
00:26:22.220 at Colorado State University, which is pretty notorious in my home state for being the big
00:26:27.100 cowboy agricultural public school, a very conservative environment and somewhere I expected
00:26:32.700 to really find a community of people that shared my foundational values. Obviously, I wrote the whole
00:26:38.540 book on how the opposite of that happened and I found myself in this extreme intolerance leftist
00:26:44.780 environment that was hell-bent on indoctrinating students towards leftism rather than educating
00:26:50.700 young adults to become progressive and effective members of society. Progressive in the true sense,
00:26:56.140 not the leftist political version that we see today. So even in my classes like anatomy and physics and
00:27:02.060 organic chemistry, I was being taught that yes, there's two sets of chromosomes, but gender is actually a
00:27:07.900 social construct, so forget everything we said. And we would refer to a baby in the womb as a baby through the whole
00:27:13.900 process of learning about fetal development, when a heartbeat is formed, when unique fingerprints are
00:27:18.940 formed, only to be told at the end of the unit that that actually was a fetus and termination of a
00:27:24.300 pregnancy had nothing to do with ending a unique biological life. We spent a lot of time even in those classes
00:27:31.100 talking about why free speech is no longer applicable to American culture or why we don't need a wall at the
00:27:37.260 southern border and especially how evil the orange guy was sitting in our oval office. And it was so
00:27:43.420 shocking to me as someone who chose science because I love the pursuit of objective truth, that science in
00:27:50.300 academia today is not driven by that pursuit of truth, it's driven by the changing narrative of our
00:27:56.300 political correctness culture that we see every single day in the United States of America. I became a very
00:28:02.540 outspoken conservative as a result of the extreme leftist environment on my campus because I looked
00:28:07.820 around and I didn't see anybody advocating for the values that I held closest to my heart. So I thought
00:28:13.820 I'll just have to do it. And I instantly became labeled as that conservative girl or that turning
00:28:19.420 point USA girl on campus, got death threats, threats of violence, my address to my one bedroom apartment
00:28:26.060 was doxxed online without my consent. So all of a sudden, nowhere in my college community was safe,
00:28:32.140 not my classroom, not the student government office where I was referred to as Nazi Barbie or white
00:28:37.980 power Barbie and not even my apartment right off campus. So it was so eye opening to see how far
00:28:44.540 the left would go to silence not just conservative ideas, but even objective truth in the name of
00:28:50.940 indoctrinating people toward leftism. I wrote this book because it became so apparent to me that we're
00:28:56.460 hearing a lot about how crazy college campuses are when someone like Dennis Prager or Charlie Kirk comes
00:29:01.980 to speak on a campus and there's a big protest. But nobody knew that myself as a campus student
00:29:07.660 activist without a big following on social media would be threatened with a failing grade in a class
00:29:13.100 six months later because I had invited them or people trying to kick me out of student government
00:29:18.060 because I had voted for President Donald Trump. And this assault on conservative students is happening
00:29:23.660 every single day. They're just not stories that make it to the national conversation, but they are
00:29:28.540 stories that are worth being told. And I hope to inspire a lot more of that storytelling through
00:29:33.580 revealing what happened in my own college experience and also covering the state of affairs on our
00:29:38.220 campuses today through my book Frontlines. It's not easy to write a book and it takes a lot of courage to
00:29:44.220 and building up your inner self to come out and be the person who's willing to speak, especially against
00:29:49.420 all the stuff that you've come up against, which of course is horrible. We're going to end the YouTube
00:29:54.940 segment there, Isabel. So if you guys want to see the rest of the interview, go to rebelnewsplus.com.
00:30:00.220 It's just $8 a month. Or if you sign up for a year, you get two months free plus a free trial.
00:30:05.660 So we're going to send that to Isabel right after because I know she's going to sign up,
00:30:09.180 rebelnewsplus.com. And what are we going to talk about for you guys to go and watch it?
00:30:12.780 We're going to talk about what's inside Isabel's DMs. Is she getting hate speech at her every single day?
00:30:18.220 We're going to find out her message to women at the women's... I'm forgetting the thing here.
00:30:24.540 What's it called? The Young Women's Leadership Summit coming up in June.
00:30:29.500 I should really re-record that segment now. And we're going to talk about the anniversary of
00:30:35.500 Stop the Spread. So all that is coming up behind the paywall. Go to rebelnews.com, you guys.
00:30:41.740 Okay. Now, hopefully, Isabel, I won't fumble my words this time, even though
00:30:45.740 we're in the safety of behind our own paywall. I saw a video of yours for the anniversary of
00:30:50.860 Stop the Spread on Twitter. I thought it was funny, if not sad. So let's show that,
00:30:55.580 and I want to talk a bit more about that. It's March of 2021, and you know what that means.
00:31:01.180 Happy one-year anniversary of 15 days to slow the spread. What began as a call to action for all of
00:31:07.900 us to ensure that we could stay healthy during the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic has evolved
00:31:13.500 and change into complete political control at all levels of government. As someone educated in the
00:31:20.300 biomedical sciences and public health fields myself, it's been baffling for me to see the
00:31:25.740 constantly changing goalposts of what public health programming is supposed to be achieving today.
00:31:31.740 Everyone has a different rule for how we should emerge from this pandemic and get back to a new
00:31:37.500 normal. That word is important, by the way, new. It's not a return to the way life was before,
00:31:42.940 and it's precisely this reality that politicians want you to understand. We're not going back to
00:31:48.220 normal. We're crafting a new normal. Now, I feel like this is stuff that I've been saying. This is
00:31:53.340 probably why I enjoyed the video so much. What do you think is the real reason for the prolonged
00:31:59.100 lockdowns at this point? Truthfully, this all boils down to political control, and what we've seen in
00:32:05.900 the last year or so has not really been about stopping the spread or slowing the spread of this
00:32:11.980 particular virus but harnessing the fear of individuals to implement leftist policies at
00:32:18.460 every level of government, local government, state government, and the federal government.
00:32:22.700 I personally was studying biomedical sciences policy and advocacy, essentially how the government
00:32:28.380 regulates stuff like pandemics. Last year, as COVID-19 became a pandemic during my master's
00:32:34.460 degree program at Georgetown University, and to hear the changing opinions of my professors,
00:32:39.980 who, by the way, are the top of the top people at the World Health Organization and the CDC here in
00:32:45.580 America, as the changing political narrative was taking place last spring, was so disheartening.
00:32:52.140 In January of 2020, I was reminded that our world has never done mass lockdowns because they don't work
00:32:59.180 and the data is not there to support slowing the spread of any virus by forcing people to be locked
00:33:04.700 in their homes. We were reminded that the average mask people would ordinarily wear,
00:33:09.420 surgical or made out of a t-shirt material or a bandana, will do nothing to stop a particular virus
00:33:15.260 that's only a few microns big, incredibly microscopic, and could pass right through that material,
00:33:20.940 but will trap bacteria close to your face and make you sick with other diseases like
00:33:25.180 bacterial pneumonia. And then all of a sudden, all of those experts started going along with
00:33:30.300 what was politically correct, shutting down debate on what medicine is effective to treat COVID-19.
00:33:36.220 Obviously, we all saw that Facebook has now retracted their comments on hydroxychloroquine and has
00:33:41.580 reinstated all of those posts months later after they completely destroyed people's livelihoods.
00:33:46.780 All of them are now saying you have to triple layer your masks or wear two or three masks all
00:33:51.340 at a time, and that these lockdowns are continuing to be very important, even when we haven't really
00:33:56.860 seen a spike in disease spread when some of these states or other countries around the world are
00:34:01.740 choosing to open up. Science, as I said before, is not really about the pursuit of objective truth
00:34:06.780 anymore. In academia and after we graduate, in the real world, and the truth, there's not a lot of
00:34:12.620 scientists making these calls about continued lockdowns. It's all coming from politicians.
00:34:18.460 I completely agree. I think this is one of the last bastions that people have to be red-pilled on,
00:34:23.340 for lack of a better term. I mean, the medical field, the idea of medical expert has now been
00:34:29.020 blown completely out of the water. It's a shame. We should be able to trust these people. And like you
00:34:34.700 said, it's changing. People just can't help. They have to speak up, Isabel. They have to say what's right.
00:34:40.940 They have to orange man bad, and everything has to be along a partisan line. Now, along what you're
00:34:47.500 saying, do you think that's why we're, it seems like Joe Biden's ignoring that there's a bunch of
00:34:51.580 states open. How many is it now? Over 13. UFC just announced they're going full capacity in Florida,
00:34:58.140 which of course I'm a big fan of. Are we just pretending that Texas, Florida, Arizona,
00:35:04.700 the Dakotas, that they're not open and that everybody else still needs to lock down?
00:35:10.060 I think it's convenient for our politicians at the national level to just turn a blind eye
00:35:14.780 towards what a lot of these states are choosing to do. South Dakota was the only state out of all 50
00:35:20.460 that never shut down, and they never even came close to CDC projections of what it could look like in
00:35:26.540 their hospitals should things take a turn for the worst. When you compare the three largest states,
00:35:31.660 well, the four largest states by population in the United States, Texas, Florida, California,
00:35:36.700 and New York, and you see the dramatically different responses of California and New York
00:35:41.580 versus Texas and Florida, you're seeing much higher death tolls and a faster spread of the virus
00:35:47.820 in California and New York, who have the most extreme regulations possible.
00:35:52.060 In LA, for example, it was illegal for you to walk alone on the sidewalk with a mask on outside at
00:35:57.900 one point. And in New York, things just shut down again a little bit because of the St. Patrick's Day
00:36:03.740 holiday and a fear that people will gather. So you're still forbidden from gathering in groups of
00:36:08.060 more than 10 people in the state of New York. Yet, of course, we saw the nursing home scandal unfold and
00:36:14.060 tens of thousands of people die because of poor management. Meanwhile, in Florida and Texas,
00:36:18.860 there's no mask mandate. You're going back to full capacity for sports events. Businesses and
00:36:23.340 restaurants are encouraged to be open and schools have returned largely to normal.
00:36:27.740 And they have significantly lower death rates and spread of the virus rates compared to New York
00:36:33.020 and California. The data is right in front of us. But of course, the people who want to get us back
00:36:37.660 to normal are the bad guys who don't care about your grandma and grandpa and want everybody to die from
00:36:42.700 COVID-19. Well, Joe Biden says, if you're lucky, you'll be able to barbecue. You know, if you just
00:36:48.220 submit and obey. Submit to the guy in New York who has the nipple rings on TV. I think that's always
00:36:54.620 a good decision to go with. Now, I want to transition. That's a great transition to the Women's Leadership
00:37:00.380 Summit that you saved me from drawing a blank on. We'll edit that out. Don't worry. What kind of messaging
00:37:05.900 do you think is important to give young women going forward in 2021? What do you think? What are you
00:37:12.380 going to say? Give away your whole speech right now. Well, I haven't written the whole speech right
00:37:17.660 now yet for our June conference. But the Young Women's Leadership Summit with Turning Point USA
00:37:22.780 was my first political event ever when I was a college student. At the time, I had no idea what
00:37:28.140 Turning Point USA was all about. And I really knew very little about what we call the conservative
00:37:33.580 movement that's much more cultural than it is political today. And in 2017, at this very
00:37:38.940 conference, I completely fell head over heels in love with the messaging that's being shared
00:37:43.980 with young women in particular. And I'm hoping to reinstate some of those points this year in 2021
00:37:49.740 as we return to events and conferences and rejoining together in person. I think the most important
00:37:55.740 message that can be shared with high school and college women who are conservative or who maybe are on
00:38:00.780 the fence about being conservative is that you don't need any permission from anyone, the government,
00:38:05.980 your boyfriend, a friend, anyone else in your life to be successful and to build your American dream
00:38:11.740 into whatever you can possibly dream of. All you need is your own grit and determination
00:38:17.180 and diligence to continue getting up and working hard. The left is continuously telling women that
00:38:22.700 they're always disadvantaged, that they make less money in the workplace, which by the way,
00:38:26.540 has been debunked over and over again and is illegal under federal law because of the Equal Pay Act,
00:38:31.980 which was passed and turned into law decades ago in the United States. They're told that it's harder
00:38:36.860 for them to go out and have a night out in town with their friends because they always have to be worried
00:38:41.500 about a nefarious bad guy out there. And a lot of those things are rooted in some truth historically,
00:38:47.420 but really today women can do anything they set their mind to. They're not disadvantaged in society.
00:38:53.020 They're not constantly oppressed by some evil conservative figure. Instead, today it's never
00:38:58.300 been easier and better and more exciting to be a woman in the United States of America or around the
00:39:03.580 world. So I think we really want to share this message of personal empowerment and finding that
00:39:08.540 passion from within yourself to inspire other people rather than waiting on somebody else to do
00:39:13.580 it first and tell you that it's finally allowed to happen or you're finally able to do these things when
00:39:18.620 it's able to be done right now, right in front of your eyes. I will say one more thing very quickly,
00:39:23.500 and that's that I was doing a radio interview just after the election results were finalized when Joe Biden
00:39:29.420 became the next president of the United States and Kamala Harris became our vice president. And I heard a
00:39:33.980 conservative woman who worked for the Bush administration say on radio here in the United States that it's impossible to be
00:39:41.180 something you can't see in the United States. So Kamala Harris becoming our first female vice president all of a sudden
00:39:48.540 makes it possible for other women to become vice president or president of the United States in the future because
00:39:54.300 somebody else finally did it first. What a degrading message to women to assume that somebody else has to be
00:40:00.940 successful before you that you have to wait for permission in history to accomplish anything you can set your mind to as
00:40:07.980 conservatives true conservatives. We believe that anyone can do anything they set their mind to here in the United States
00:40:13.820 regardless of what your identity is. Yeah, and she's the first black. She's the first Indian. She's the first a lot of things
00:40:21.420 no matter what it is. And I disagree with that argument as well. The just because some somebody has to look like me in order for me to
00:40:28.460 aspire to that. I didn't grow up thinking that way. I didn't grow up watching basketball thinking that Vince, if only Vince Carter was white, that might be too, too old of a
00:40:37.900 reference for you. If only Will Smith was white. I never thought these things. Hopefully somebody doesn't clip that. But I do want to
00:40:43.660 write down hire Isabel to speak to my nieces. Because I think you're very, I think those are great things to say. Now, do you think
00:40:50.220 that five years ago, let's say pre Trump, your message would have been different? Do you think now it's more of a victim
00:40:57.420 stance we have to battle back from? Or do you think it would largely be the same? I think it would be exactly the same
00:41:03.520 message. People have always said that women are somehow disadvantaged in society from when I was
00:41:08.880 a young girl, all the way to now when I'm 23 years old. And it was very different, at least in my family
00:41:14.880 unit when I was growing up than what this narrative was saying. I grew up with my mother being the primary
00:41:20.160 breadwinner in our house commuting to a different state for her job for seven years. My dad stayed home
00:41:25.360 for a few years to be a stay at home dad, we called him the manny. And he got to be a movie, I believe.
00:41:30.960 Exactly. He took us to ballet lessons and gymnastics meets, and he got to be our room
00:41:37.120 parent in our classroom. And I never was told by my mother by my father or any other adult in my life
00:41:43.200 that that was somehow not normal. Instead, it was just the way things were in our family. And my mom
00:41:48.240 could accomplish anything that any of her male counterparts could in the workplace, if only she
00:41:52.880 was willing to work hard enough. That's always been reality for me. And that message has stayed the same
00:41:57.840 ever since I could talk and what I learned about all of this stuff looking like as a young child,
00:42:02.800 and today obviously as an adult. Who knew that Mrs. Doubtfire was based off your life? That's
00:42:07.680 something that we're gonna have to add to your IMDB. Do you have an IMDB? I wouldn't think that you do.
00:42:13.360 So we're gonna end on something more fun, or maybe it's traumatic for you. What your inbox looks like.
00:42:19.680 Do you get tips? All I get is news links. Have you seen this, Andrew? It's Alex Jones messaging me.
00:42:25.120 Have you seen this, Andrew? Have you seen this patriotic link? I get mostly news links. What do
00:42:29.760 you get in your inbox from fans, let's say, not just Will Witt's messages?
00:42:35.680 It's a whole hodgepodge of information in my DMs all the time. But I do always encourage people who
00:42:41.600 follow me, if they're ever looking for advice or have a specific question, to DM me. So most of my
00:42:46.560 messages do look like that. I'm very responsive on Instagram. And I just love connecting with people
00:42:51.520 one-on-one as much as possible, especially now when that's sort of prevented in person still
00:42:56.800 a year later after that became our new reality. So as much as I can connect with you guys digitally,
00:43:01.920 I love to. Obviously, I get a lot of hate mail as well. I'm choosing to do this professionally,
00:43:06.880 and that kind of comes with the territory. But I always love to tell people I typically take that
00:43:11.360 as a sign that I'm doing something right. Because as a Christian, I've been told over and over in my
00:43:16.560 faith from the words of Jesus Christ himself that I'm going to be hated in this world if I tell the
00:43:22.480 truth. That's really what my job is all about every day. It's not just sharing conservative
00:43:26.720 messaging or trying to influence the way people vote. I'm trying to stay objective truth in a
00:43:31.520 world that has completely rejected the idea that objective truth even exists, because my truth is
00:43:37.280 different from your truth. So when I get such hateful messages, I know that I'm trying to make this
00:43:42.720 world a little bit more like the next. I'm not trying to fit into the changing reality every
00:43:46.880 day that we see in this world. For sure. And I think especially right now, it's very important
00:43:51.920 for high schoolers and people in college, since it's become more like a high school environment in
00:43:57.040 college, that they have somebody who is confident and knows what they're talking about that they can
00:44:01.360 message and actually get a response to. I mean, you don't respond to my outfit messages where I show you
00:44:07.120 my outfit of the day, but that's fine. No, I'm just kidding. Those don't exist. Or do they?
00:44:10.640 Okay. But thank you. I really think it's important to have a person that they can turn to in these
00:44:17.040 times. So isabel-brown.com. You can get her book there. You can find her on Instagram, which is
00:44:23.200 TheRealIsabelBrown. And of course, Turning Point USA. Are you still working with PragerU? Are we still
00:44:28.640 going to see you on those videos? I do occasionally do some work with PragerU, so I'm never too far away
00:44:34.240 from the office there in Los Angeles. Okay, lots of cameos there. Anything else you want to end on,
00:44:38.880 Isabel? I'll leave the floor to you. You know, I just want to encourage people from around the
00:44:43.680 world that conservatism is needed everywhere, not just in the United States. And obviously,
00:44:48.480 most of the work that I do is here domestically for me in the US. But conservative ideas are
00:44:54.080 resurging all over the world, in Canada, in the UK, and all across Europe, in Australia,
00:45:00.000 in South Africa. And I get messages from people from countries everywhere that I would least expect
00:45:05.520 some of these conservative ideas to be reaching people through social media or through work and
00:45:09.920 education. But we need loud conservative fighters everywhere. So embrace just five seconds of
00:45:15.440 courage at a time. Raise your hand in class and tell your teacher or professor that they're wrong.
00:45:19.760 If they are, post something to your social media. Have these conversations about politics and religion
00:45:24.960 with your family or your friends around the dinner table. That's how we create a cultural revolution
00:45:30.320 all over the world when it comes to being proud of where we're from, embracing patriotism,
00:45:35.200 believing in ourselves as individuals, and ultimately saying that big government sucks.
00:45:41.280 That's a great note to end on. But I did want to ask you, it just popped into my mind,
00:45:45.200 do you, is there any work towards your, the videos that you're making actually being implemented
00:45:50.880 in schools or anything like that? Because I've seen articles about people trying to stop that from
00:45:55.680 happen. I just want to know, because I think those freedom seat things would be good in like a high
00:46:00.640 school class. Is there any working towards that? We have not yet embarked on that adventure. We're
00:46:06.160 only a few months into getting these videos out there, but they are working very well. So I'm sure
00:46:10.880 that is part of our rollout plan for the next few months. Okay. Thanks a lot, Isabel. Once again,
00:46:15.600 follow her on Instagram, Twitter, isabelbrown.com, you guys. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you.
00:46:25.680 Bye-bye.