Rebel News Podcast - May 04, 2019


It's World Press Freedom Day — Which means it’s actually censorship day


Episode Stats

Length

41 minutes

Words per Minute

164.49821

Word Count

6,840

Sentence Count

472

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

8


Summary

It's World Press Freedom Day, which means it's actually censorship day. And that's a good thing. Because when the government declares that it's world press freedom day, that's the moment to check to make sure your wallet's still in your pocket because you're about to be fleeced.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, Rebels. It's World Press Freedom Day, which, to most people, means World Censorship Day.
00:00:05.300 By most people, at least, I mean people in power. Facebook, Google, places like that.
00:00:09.180 They took the opportunity to censor conservatives, and Justin Trudeau announced a whole bunch of plans to root out what he calls fake news.
00:00:16.520 Fake news, of course, is defined by any news that he doesn't like.
00:00:20.400 That's on my podcast today, and I talked to Alan Bocari about it. He's a senior tech editor at Breitbart.com.
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00:00:51.100 All right. Here's today's podcast.
00:00:53.240 You're listening to a Rebel Media Podcast.
00:00:57.500 Tonight, it's World Press Freedom Day, which means it's actually Censorship Day.
00:01:02.640 It's May 3rd, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:06.880 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:10.600 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:14.680 The only thing I have to say to the government of a wire publisher is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:20.540 Freedom, look at it. It means being free from something.
00:01:30.000 And the biggest something we have to be free from these days is government.
00:01:33.300 That applies especially to the media, since while it's important to hold corporations to account
00:01:38.020 and to hold individuals to account and other organizations, unions, clubs, whatever,
00:01:42.220 the most important political function of the media is to shine a light of public scrutiny on the government.
00:01:48.900 So being free from the government is what we generally mean by press freedom.
00:01:53.220 Yes, there are other threats to free speech, to a free press,
00:01:56.220 especially now that social media companies like Google and Facebook rival the government in power,
00:02:00.740 but essentially it's the government, and the corruption of those big companies is at the hands of the government most of the time.
00:02:07.800 I tell you that because when the government therefore declares that it's World Press Freedom Day,
00:02:13.980 that's the moment to check to make sure your wallet's still in your pocket because you're about to be fleeced.
00:02:21.020 I mean, the government promising to protect free speech is like a fox telling you they really want to make sure everything at the henhouse is okay.
00:02:26.620 You leave it to me.
00:02:28.380 It's Robert Conquest's third law. Remember that one?
00:02:31.420 The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.
00:02:41.860 Now, if you're wondering what that means, the example I always like to give is a city's taxi commission.
00:02:47.080 It's usually dedicated to keeping out forms of transportation,
00:02:52.120 just the same way the dairy commission is dedicated to keeping out foreign dairy.
00:02:57.240 You get my point.
00:02:57.900 And look at this from our dearly beloved Justin Trudeau.
00:03:02.820 Statement by the prime minister on World Press Freedom Day.
00:03:06.080 You know, it's like when Trudeau says how much he likes women, he supports women, what a feminist he is.
00:03:11.700 You know, it's something we would just know if it were true.
00:03:15.740 If you truly, you know, respect women, you don't go around saying it all the time.
00:03:19.300 The fact that he never shuts up about it is sort of a clue that it's not true.
00:03:24.180 Same thing with press freedom.
00:03:25.380 Let me read a bit from his statement.
00:03:27.900 Today, we celebrate the important role journalists play around the world.
00:03:31.220 We also take a hard look at the current state of press freedom and remember those who have died in pursuit of the truth.
00:03:38.000 All right.
00:03:38.700 So far, so good.
00:03:39.820 I go no beef with that.
00:03:41.220 But then get this.
00:03:43.100 The theme of this year's World Press Freedom Day is media for democracy, journalism, and elections in times of disinformation.
00:03:51.640 Journalists today face grave and growing challenges in their work to provide the public with reliable and quality information.
00:04:00.840 Oh, I didn't know that freedom in the press had themes.
00:04:04.040 I thought it was just freedom, you know.
00:04:06.000 But no, it's only the freedom for a certain kind of journalism.
00:04:12.820 And look there.
00:04:14.400 Trudeau thinks that journalism that has disinformation about elections, that's not good.
00:04:20.520 So you see, journalists have grave challenges, says Trudeau.
00:04:23.660 But not from him or other governments.
00:04:26.020 No, he's their savior, as this press release shows.
00:04:29.220 The enemy of good journalists is bad journalists.
00:04:33.320 And Trudeau will be the decider of who is who.
00:04:36.400 Like when the Globe and Mail broke the huge story about Trudeau firing his attorney general, Jody Wilson-Raybould,
00:04:41.840 when she refused to drop criminal charges against his friends at SNC-Lablan.
00:04:46.000 Remember what he said about that story?
00:04:49.460 The allegations in the Globe story this morning are false.
00:04:52.920 Neither the current nor the previous attorney general was ever directed by me or by anyone in my office.
00:05:02.780 Except it wasn't fake news, was it?
00:05:05.180 It was 100% true.
00:05:08.020 Trudeau called it unreliable or disinformation and whatever else he said.
00:05:11.860 But in fact, it was accurate.
00:05:13.420 Imagine if Trudeau would be the arbiter about reporting about Trudeau.
00:05:18.980 Yeah, that's what he wants to do.
00:05:20.340 Let me read some more.
00:05:21.140 The digital age has made sharing information easier than ever before,
00:05:25.440 but it has also given way to online spaces that peddle disinformation
00:05:29.280 and reduce complex issues into oversimplified, toxic, us-versus-them narratives.
00:05:35.940 Journalists increasingly find themselves competing in these online spaces
00:05:39.480 against malicious foreign agents and opinion makers
00:05:42.620 who would rather manipulate people and foment division
00:05:45.640 than inform the public and create a common set of facts.
00:05:49.820 Okay, got it.
00:05:50.660 So Justin Trudeau is telling us that it's toxic to have an us-versus-them narrative?
00:05:56.340 Unless it's Trudeau and he's calling his enemies, oh, I don't know, climate deniers
00:06:01.340 or when Trudeau's best friend, Gerald Butts, actually called me and the rebel a Jewish Nazi
00:06:07.280 because I criticized Trudeau.
00:06:09.640 So that's not toxic, you have to understand.
00:06:12.760 But Trudeau wants you to know the enemy of journalism is not him.
00:06:18.400 It's journalists, or at least ones he doesn't like.
00:06:21.860 Good to know.
00:06:22.700 Let me read some more.
00:06:23.320 Independent fact-based reporting is vital.
00:06:26.960 Few professions have the power and responsibility to enrich conversations,
00:06:32.320 open people to new ideas and perspectives,
00:06:34.000 and widen the lens on the challenges we face.
00:06:37.260 But journalism actually isn't a profession.
00:06:40.300 It's an activity.
00:06:41.180 It's not like being a medical doctor or an engineer where there are professional standards.
00:06:46.360 Anyone can be a journalist.
00:06:48.100 And Trudeau sort of hates that now because that means anyone anywhere can say anything about him,
00:06:54.100 not just professional journalists he can control either through threats or outright financial bribes
00:06:59.460 or just who gets to be a journalist.
00:07:01.240 We all get to be journalists in a democracy.
00:07:03.780 Let me read some more.
00:07:05.880 By introducing measures to support Canadian journalism
00:07:08.260 and provide better internet access to underserved communities,
00:07:12.100 the government of Canada is taking steps to make sure Canadians have access to reliable and trustworthy news sources.
00:07:18.400 Hmm.
00:07:19.200 So he's talking about when he says support the media.
00:07:22.160 He's talking about his $595 million media bailout there.
00:07:25.660 That's what he means by support Canadian journalism.
00:07:27.940 Does anyone actually believe that will make the press freer?
00:07:32.500 Do you believe it?
00:07:34.760 And he says he's going to help us figure out what journalists to trust.
00:07:39.240 Oh, okay.
00:07:40.000 And then, get this.
00:07:42.300 This summer, Canada and the United Kingdom will also co-host a media freedom conference in London
00:07:47.700 to find ways to combat disinformation and support and defend media against censorship,
00:07:52.640 imprisonment, personal attacks, and abuse.
00:07:55.160 It is unacceptable that journalists face these threats and more for doing their job and standing up for their fellow citizens.
00:08:01.780 Now, I'm all for keeping journalists free out of prison,
00:08:04.700 including, for example, Tommy Robinson, our former reporter,
00:08:07.680 who was arrested and jailed for 10 weeks for reporting outside of court in the United Kingdom.
00:08:12.700 And I would remind you that Trudeau's government told the United Nations to ban us at the Rebel from reporting on UN conferences.
00:08:20.260 That's what the UN told us when they wouldn't let us in.
00:08:22.520 And so they don't really need it.
00:08:24.840 But what's more troubling is that in the same breath, Trudeau says he's for more journalistic freedom.
00:08:30.020 He then immediately says he's against disinformation.
00:08:35.620 Well, hang on.
00:08:36.160 Isn't that just a word for journalism he disagrees with?
00:08:39.900 Like that Globe and Mail story about how he fired his attorney general because he couldn't corrupt her?
00:08:45.300 I said at the start that the main threat to free speech and the free press is from governments,
00:08:50.920 but they have gotten smarter about it.
00:08:53.640 If they were to try to censor someone like they did to Tommy by throwing him in prison,
00:08:57.580 that only turned Tommy into a martyr.
00:09:00.340 And it embarrassed the state when Tommy's conviction was thrown out by the Court of Appeal.
00:09:04.400 Much easier just to lean on companies like Twitter and YouTube to do your censorship for you.
00:09:08.860 No fuss, no must, no appeals, no fingerprints, no transparency, just on in secret.
00:09:12.700 I mean, the pressure on companies to do the censorship is not itself always in secret.
00:09:20.060 As you know, just last year, Justin Trudeau personally treated Sheryl Sandberg, the COO of Facebook,
00:09:27.040 told her that if she didn't crack down on his conservative critics online,
00:09:31.640 he'd do it for them by regulating Facebook.
00:09:33.560 Here's United Kingdom MPs grilling YouTube's anti-terrorism chief,
00:09:40.060 telling him to censor Tommy Robinson, who isn't a terrorist.
00:09:44.280 He's actually against terrorism.
00:09:45.800 But they were telling YouTube and Google to censor him nonetheless.
00:09:49.520 Here, just watch a minute of this.
00:09:51.400 Your algorithms on YouTube, when you are searching for national action,
00:09:57.760 will then promote the likes of Tommy Robinson and Britain First.
00:10:01.660 This is despite the fact that the Finsbury Park mosque, where somebody was killed,
00:10:07.320 and that's recently been in the headline,
00:10:09.440 despite the fact that videos of Tommy Robinson were cited
00:10:12.760 as part of the online radicalisation of Darren Osborne
00:10:16.980 in the Finsbury Park court case,
00:10:19.620 YouTube continues to promote them videos.
00:10:22.840 What have you got to say about that?
00:10:24.480 We are working to make sure that videos that promote hate or promote violence,
00:10:28.740 if they violate our policies, are removed from the platform.
00:10:31.920 If they walk right up to the line,
00:10:33.920 we have also, at the encouragement of this committee,
00:10:36.580 developed a new enforcement mechanism to limit the features that these have.
00:10:40.960 They should not be appearing in our recommendation engine.
00:10:43.960 If they are, I will take this back to our team and see what the problem is.
00:10:48.040 That went on for quite a while,
00:10:51.480 and it wasn't just the Labour MPs who wanted Tommy to shut up.
00:10:54.460 And Trudeau himself has actually named us here at The Rebel by name
00:10:58.000 as Fake News,
00:11:00.560 which is precisely the people he says he's going to use the government to combat.
00:11:05.440 Here's a little video mash-up we made of Trudeau and Ahmed Hassan
00:11:08.940 reading the exact same script word for word.
00:11:13.220 It is disappointing to see the Conservatives engage in peddling rebel media conspiracy theories.
00:11:30.680 It is disappointing to see the Conservatives engage in peddling rebel media conspiracy theories.
00:11:37.500 It is disappointing to see the Conservatives engage in peddling rebel media conspiracy theories.
00:11:44.460 Yeah, he loves the freedom of the press, don't he?
00:11:51.580 Well, yesterday on the eve of World Press Freedom Day, Facebook struck.
00:11:55.580 They just deleted, just deleted some of the biggest names in conservative punditry.
00:12:01.680 Now, they threw in Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, anti-Semite, just so they could
00:12:07.680 say they were after one guy who wasn't conservative, but the rest were conservative.
00:12:13.800 They deleted Tommy Robinson months ago, but now they deleted Laura Loomer, a rebel alumna.
00:12:18.560 They deleted Milo Yiannopoulos, a mischievous but harmless gay conservative provocateur.
00:12:24.900 And they deleted one of the most influential YouTube journalists on the right, a Facebook,
00:12:29.580 sorry, a commentator named Paul Joseph Watson, who we've had on our show before.
00:12:34.200 He's harmless, never violent, always anti-violent, but they just deleted him.
00:12:38.900 No explanation, no reason, just because.
00:12:41.920 All of these people were influential in getting Donald Trump, I might point out.
00:12:46.660 We'll have Alan Bokarian in a moment to talk more about this.
00:12:50.800 But my point from earlier stands, there's a merger between big government and big media.
00:12:54.900 As you know, the head of censorship in Canada at Facebook is this guy, Kevin Chan, who
00:13:00.080 used to work in the Liberal Party's leader's office.
00:13:01.800 So yeah, it's pretty much a merger between big government and big tech.
00:13:05.700 Same with all the tech companies, especially in the U.S.
00:13:07.820 They're all jammed full of former Obama executives.
00:13:11.040 Google's senior VP at the time, Eric Schmidt, was an actual Clinton campaign worker.
00:13:15.580 It's a merger.
00:13:16.500 And look at this, today from Google Canada.
00:13:21.680 Google News Initiative partners with CJF to help tackle fake news.
00:13:27.400 CJF is the Canadian Journalism Foundation.
00:13:29.380 I'll read just one line for you.
00:13:30.560 Looking to address concerns over Canadians' capacity to identify authoritative information
00:13:36.960 online, today the Google News Initiative announced a grant of $1 million to the Canadian Journalism
00:13:42.220 Foundation to bring NewsWise to vote-aged Canadians.
00:13:46.000 The goal is simple.
00:13:47.280 Help all Canadians understand the difference between fact-based journalism and fake news in
00:13:52.620 the digital world.
00:13:53.340 Well, hang on, is that the big threat to journalism?
00:13:58.120 Other journalists?
00:14:00.420 So this really isn't a press freedom announcement.
00:14:02.760 It's an anti-press freedom announcement.
00:14:05.420 It's not widening journalism.
00:14:07.300 It's not promoting citizen journalism.
00:14:09.240 It's not encouraging citizen journalism.
00:14:11.280 It's promoting the demonization of journalists that the official people don't like.
00:14:17.100 Official people getting huge money from other official people to comply with and enforce
00:14:22.500 the official narrative.
00:14:24.480 By the way, they based their plan on this bizarre study by the liberal-linked, quote,
00:14:29.700 research firm called Ernst Glyph that studied Canadians' choices of news.
00:14:35.320 And they included the alternative left-wing site called Rabble.ca, which is a union lefty
00:14:40.960 site in Canada, been around for more than a decade.
00:14:42.840 And the conservative site they tested was the U.S. site called Breitbart.com, which I like
00:14:47.780 and I read it, but it's American.
00:14:50.680 It's not really Canadian at all.
00:14:51.800 I wonder if they secretly tested the rebel, but just didn't want to release the results.
00:14:56.160 How odd that is, that we test an American site in Canada.
00:14:58.980 Anyways, the oddest part of it all is that the Canadian Journalism Foundation is not about
00:15:03.220 increasing journalism, but it's about decreasing it, not about supporting journalism, but rooting
00:15:09.160 it out, limiting it to those approved by big tech and big government.
00:15:13.120 How sad.
00:15:13.660 But let me close with a gaffe.
00:15:16.420 Now, as you know, a gaffe is defined as when a politician actually tells the truth by mistake.
00:15:23.220 And Justin Trudeau tweeted about World Press Freedom Day.
00:15:25.940 And then this MP, see, that's Trudeau's tweet.
00:15:29.840 And then this MP here chimed in.
00:15:32.360 His name is Ken Hardy.
00:15:34.120 He's a liberal MP from British Columbia.
00:15:36.520 He actually used to be a journalist once upon a time.
00:15:38.300 And he said, on World Press Freedom Day, remember that a free press isn't free.
00:15:43.580 And a lot of the free stuff you see online masquerading as news isn't, to be honest,
00:15:49.360 about the most trustworthy outlets these days are the CBC, especially radio, Globe and Mail
00:15:53.400 and the Toronto Star.
00:15:54.180 Well, at least we know who's getting the 595 million bucks in bailout money, right?
00:16:00.580 But that's the thing about World Press Freedom Day.
00:16:02.940 It means the government doesn't get to choose which journalists are acceptable and which aren't.
00:16:07.620 It means big monopolies don't get to choose.
00:16:11.360 It's actually the opposite of that.
00:16:14.420 Does anybody else care about this?
00:16:18.120 Or is everybody else being bought off somehow?
00:16:22.320 Stay with us for more.
00:16:23.320 I was given no reason whatsoever for being banned by Facebook or Instagram.
00:16:41.880 So I'm dangerous.
00:16:43.360 Someone who makes meme videos laughing at social justice warriors.
00:16:46.840 Or is handing the power to decide who gets to have free speech
00:16:50.020 to a handful of giant politically partisan corporations dangerous?
00:16:54.580 What's more dangerous?
00:16:56.120 They put me on a list with terrorists, human traffickers and serial killers.
00:17:01.280 Because I criticise modern art and modern architecture.
00:17:04.080 Because I dare criticise mass immigration.
00:17:06.380 Because I dare criticise a belief system.
00:17:09.180 Yet you still host Antifa accounts which threaten to assassinate the president.
00:17:13.720 You still host accounts belonging to the sicko
00:17:16.200 who sent death threats to Ben Shapiro's family.
00:17:19.040 This is truly, truly clown world.
00:17:22.380 That's our friend Paul Joseph Watson
00:17:24.040 who I think is one of the best conservative communicators out there.
00:17:28.780 Although he's based in London, he has a massive following worldwide.
00:17:31.880 And he took a real interest in Hillary Clinton in 2016
00:17:34.440 publishing some wildly successful critical videos of her
00:17:38.640 that I think helped win the battle for Donald Trump.
00:17:41.520 You certainly can't ascribe that win to any one person.
00:17:44.680 But collectively, I think it's taken as conventional wisdom now
00:17:48.980 that Donald Trump won the battle on the internet,
00:17:52.780 through Twitter, through Facebook, through YouTube.
00:17:55.320 Hillary Clinton outspent Trump by several multiples.
00:17:59.500 In traditional campaigning,
00:18:01.020 Trump had grassroots voices like Paul Joseph Watson.
00:18:04.940 Is it a coincidence that those voices were all wiped out?
00:18:08.720 When clearly, as Paul Joseph Watson himself just said,
00:18:13.120 actual terrorists, actual violent thugs
00:18:16.340 continue to have their social media footprint.
00:18:20.580 Joining us now via Skype is the senior editor of Breitbart Tech,
00:18:24.300 our friend Alan Bokhari, to talk more about this.
00:18:26.700 Alan, great to see you again.
00:18:28.660 Hi, Ezra.
00:18:29.300 And you were playing that clip from Paul earlier.
00:18:31.920 He used the phrase that I was thinking of
00:18:33.720 when you invited me on this show,
00:18:34.980 which is, you know, clown world.
00:18:37.200 Yesterday, World Press Freedom Day,
00:18:40.060 we had all of these bans.
00:18:42.560 And I think you were just mentioning that
00:18:44.720 the mainstream media would prefer to talk about fake news.
00:18:48.500 And while at the same time,
00:18:50.540 these unaccountable Silicon Valley executives
00:18:52.800 are deciding for millions and millions of people,
00:18:56.560 billions in fact,
00:18:57.440 what news sources they're allowed to read
00:18:59.880 and what news sources they're allowed to share
00:19:01.580 and which ones they aren't.
00:19:03.320 We've handed this power over almost every news outlet now
00:19:08.080 to essentially Mark Zuckerberg.
00:19:10.920 Without Facebook,
00:19:12.060 it's almost impossible for a news outlet to survive,
00:19:15.980 especially an independent news outlet
00:19:17.460 without the resources of the mainstream media.
00:19:20.580 You probably know this better than anyone.
00:19:21.940 The independent media is totally dependent now
00:19:26.060 on these huge social media platforms
00:19:28.640 that can take away your freedom of speech at any moment.
00:19:34.600 And I think it's a real crisis for democracy
00:19:37.640 when corporations are allowed to circumvent free speech rights
00:19:42.300 like this.
00:19:43.340 And Republicans often just hold up their hands
00:19:45.380 and say, well, it's the free market.
00:19:46.620 Well, you know, it's not the free market.
00:19:48.660 It's the First Amendment.
00:19:50.220 And if you let a corporation dominate the public square,
00:19:57.160 you have to also hold them to the standards of free speech
00:20:00.880 that you have in your society.
00:20:02.180 Yeah.
00:20:02.560 You know, obviously our friend Tommy Robinson
00:20:04.940 is running for public office in the UK.
00:20:07.080 I've been watching.
00:20:08.120 In fact, I was doing a live stream
00:20:09.720 referring to his campaign's Twitter account.
00:20:14.180 So not the Tommy Robinson personal account,
00:20:16.420 but Tommy is a legally registered candidate
00:20:18.720 in an official government election
00:20:20.760 to choose a member of the European Parliament.
00:20:22.940 And literally while I was on TV talking about it,
00:20:26.620 his Twitter account was shut down.
00:20:29.240 Not his personal account, but his campaign's account.
00:20:32.580 I can't think of anything more meddlesome in an election
00:20:36.860 than a San Francisco-based tech company
00:20:40.940 with a huge shareholder, Prince Al-Walid bin Talal of Saudi Arabia,
00:20:46.220 just deciding we're going to un-person
00:20:48.780 an official candidate just in the middle of an election.
00:20:53.440 I don't know how much, I mean, I don't,
00:20:56.760 I think the whole Russian collusion thing
00:20:58.460 was a bit of a joke and a scam.
00:21:00.100 But what I observed with my own eyes in real time
00:21:02.840 was some corporate decision in San Francisco
00:21:06.200 to delete, to take away the voice of a candidate in an election.
00:21:10.940 I find that terrifying.
00:21:13.540 Yeah, this is the new tactic of authoritarians
00:21:16.680 who want to circumvent democracy
00:21:18.120 and circumvent the freedoms
00:21:21.040 that we've grown accustomed to in liberal countries.
00:21:24.180 Just the other day, news broke
00:21:26.480 that activists had pressured MasterCard
00:21:28.900 to hold a shareholder meeting
00:21:30.300 on setting up a so-called human rights council
00:21:34.120 to monitor hate speech
00:21:35.540 and the far right who used their services
00:21:38.960 with a view to cutting them off.
00:21:41.060 So, instead of going to the government now,
00:21:43.900 going to the courts
00:21:44.720 where they're going to have a much tougher time
00:21:46.560 of demanding censorship,
00:21:49.520 where they have to get around,
00:21:50.620 in America, anyway, the First Amendment,
00:21:53.080 where they have to get around political rights
00:21:56.220 that have been on the statute books for centuries,
00:21:58.720 they're now going straight to corporations
00:22:01.400 like MasterCard, like Facebook, like Twitter,
00:22:04.060 and they're trying to get what they want that way.
00:22:06.080 They're also doing it
00:22:06.540 with the Second Amendment in America.
00:22:08.040 They've convinced Citibank and others
00:22:10.100 to deny service to gun store owners
00:22:13.820 that are engaging in perfectly legal activity,
00:22:16.540 like the sale of high-capacity magazines
00:22:19.940 that's still legal in the US,
00:22:23.240 and simply getting banks
00:22:25.000 to stop doing business with them
00:22:26.220 and getting rid of them that way.
00:22:27.420 So, it's a new tactic
00:22:29.440 that the whole left is using.
00:22:31.080 Instead of doing it democratically,
00:22:33.780 winning elections,
00:22:35.100 or legally winning court cases,
00:22:37.640 they're just trying to pressure
00:22:39.400 a few unaccountable corporations
00:22:41.860 and CEOs into doing their bidding.
00:22:45.200 And it's very ironic,
00:22:46.440 given that the left used to be this,
00:22:49.020 you know, the ideology of the working class
00:22:51.180 against the power of big business.
00:22:53.820 Now, it's been totally turned on its head.
00:22:55.280 Yeah, it's terrifying.
00:22:57.620 Now, of course, they've been practicing.
00:22:58.960 I mean, I remember when Emmanuel Macron
00:23:01.900 became the president of France,
00:23:05.160 shortly before that,
00:23:07.000 30,000 pro Marine Le Pen Facebook accounts
00:23:10.700 were just deleted.
00:23:11.520 Just poof, 30,000.
00:23:13.040 And we have to take the word for it.
00:23:15.580 We have to take Zuckerberg's word for it
00:23:17.420 that they were fake accounts.
00:23:18.760 But what does that mean?
00:23:19.760 I mean, here's my point
00:23:21.400 about what fake news is or isn't.
00:23:23.680 I have believed for two years
00:23:26.220 that that whole Russian collusion thing
00:23:28.160 was fake news.
00:23:29.780 And Robert Mueller's inquiry
00:23:31.300 suggests that it was.
00:23:32.780 So I would call the New York Times
00:23:34.580 and the Washington Post fake news.
00:23:36.260 They may call me fake news.
00:23:38.700 And everyone, as they say in French,
00:23:41.020 shakun a songu.
00:23:42.220 Everyone has their own taste.
00:23:43.840 We all get to call each other fake.
00:23:45.820 And that's what an election campaign is about.
00:23:47.460 We all get to vote based on
00:23:49.080 what we think is true and right.
00:23:51.240 And by the way,
00:23:53.020 if we like to read news
00:23:55.860 that's of questionable veracity,
00:23:58.520 we can choose to do that too.
00:24:00.240 If we think someone's a liar,
00:24:01.720 but we should vote for them anyways,
00:24:03.140 we can do that too.
00:24:04.720 I think that it's not just media power,
00:24:06.840 it's political power
00:24:07.960 that these people are taking away from us.
00:24:10.720 They're making the final decision
00:24:12.840 about what is fake or not.
00:24:14.880 And that should be everyone's individual right
00:24:16.920 to make that decision.
00:24:19.540 Right, and just compare it
00:24:20.860 to the pre-digital era.
00:24:22.200 I mean, you know,
00:24:22.660 National Enquirer has been around
00:24:23.800 for a long time.
00:24:24.800 They've published questionable stories.
00:24:27.180 Gossip magazines have been around
00:24:28.460 for a long time.
00:24:30.960 Their entire MO is to publish hearsay.
00:24:34.180 So this is an entirely new standard
00:24:36.740 that's being applied
00:24:37.560 and it's only being applied to the right
00:24:39.300 and it's impossible to meet.
00:24:40.560 And that's on purpose
00:24:41.260 because they want to de-platform the right
00:24:42.900 because they can't win
00:24:43.980 on a level playing field.
00:24:46.920 You mentioned election interference.
00:24:49.200 It's absolutely election interference.
00:24:50.940 And Facebook did not just do that
00:24:52.520 in France before the election.
00:24:54.040 They did it in the U.S.
00:24:55.040 before the midterms.
00:24:55.900 They suspended 800 independent media pages.
00:24:59.500 They did it in Brazil.
00:25:01.640 They used WhatsApp,
00:25:02.640 which they own,
00:25:03.620 to destroy a number of pages
00:25:06.080 supporting Bolsonaro.
00:25:07.360 It didn't work.
00:25:08.600 They did it in Italy, in Germany.
00:25:11.240 And interestingly,
00:25:11.900 you mentioned Twitter banning
00:25:13.120 the campaign accounts of Tommy Robinson.
00:25:15.400 They also banned the campaign account
00:25:17.100 of Carl Benjamin,
00:25:18.680 better known as Sagan of Akkad.
00:25:20.680 And he did not use his account personally.
00:25:23.540 His personal account has been banned,
00:25:24.860 but he did not use his campaign account
00:25:26.400 as a method of ban evasion,
00:25:28.240 which would have been against the rules.
00:25:29.320 It was purely run by his campaign staff
00:25:31.200 to update followers on campaign events.
00:25:33.920 It was a political campaign account
00:25:36.000 for the purpose of the European elections.
00:25:38.900 So that is absolutely election interference.
00:25:41.760 And the interesting thing about that is
00:25:43.180 normally Twitter is quite good
00:25:45.400 on getting back to me
00:25:46.160 with a comment explaining
00:25:47.320 why someone has been censored
00:25:50.420 or kicked up the platform.
00:25:51.400 They explicitly didn't in that case,
00:25:53.800 which is quite suspicious.
00:25:55.520 And there have been lots of cases
00:25:58.980 where British politicians
00:26:00.360 have lobbied the tech companies.
00:26:01.880 Establishment British politicians
00:26:03.180 have lobbied the tech companies
00:26:05.100 specifically on the question
00:26:06.560 of Tommy Robinson.
00:26:07.380 And I wonder if there wasn't some MP
00:26:12.280 or some government minister
00:26:14.120 putting the heat on Silicon Valley there.
00:26:17.700 Well, yeah.
00:26:18.160 Because the other thing,
00:26:19.140 the other terrifying thing
00:26:20.240 we have to contend with now
00:26:21.540 isn't just the authoritarianism
00:26:25.000 of the Silicon CEOs themselves.
00:26:26.980 It's that authoritarianism
00:26:29.200 joining with the authoritarianism
00:26:31.440 of establishment politicians,
00:26:33.260 both in the West and elsewhere.
00:26:35.160 You know, you said something
00:26:36.320 I hadn't thought of before.
00:26:37.640 Maybe I had, but you articulated it.
00:26:39.920 Normally, it's governments
00:26:41.300 being lobbied by companies.
00:26:43.860 And in fact, I think Facebook or Google,
00:26:46.260 I think Facebook is now
00:26:47.300 the largest spending lobbyist in America.
00:26:50.420 But what you just said is correct.
00:26:52.360 And I played a clip of it earlier
00:26:53.560 of members of the UK parliament
00:26:56.220 lobbying Google, YouTube
00:26:59.340 to silence Tommy.
00:27:01.040 So normally, the power is in the government.
00:27:04.900 The money is in the private sector
00:27:06.740 trying to lobby the government
00:27:08.200 to do their bidding.
00:27:09.240 But here, you had government MPs
00:27:12.360 lobbying a more powerful private company
00:27:14.840 to do to Tommy Robinson
00:27:16.600 what they couldn't do.
00:27:17.640 How ironic that the power has shifted.
00:27:20.520 They were lobbying Google, YouTube.
00:27:23.740 But I want to read your article.
00:27:25.560 I see your latest article.
00:27:26.640 Let's put it up on the screen for a second.
00:27:27.920 It's called Link Banning
00:27:30.720 is Facebook's terrifying new censorship tool.
00:27:36.200 So they've banned people for life.
00:27:38.360 They've banned Tommy Robinson,
00:27:39.440 banned Milo Yiannopoulos,
00:27:40.880 Laura Loomer, Alex Jones.
00:27:42.560 But now they're banning anyone
00:27:44.880 who talks about them.
00:27:48.000 Like, here's a link to what they're doing.
00:27:49.940 Boom. That's banned.
00:27:51.600 I've seen reports of that happening
00:27:53.640 to rebel videos.
00:27:55.180 Someone puts a rebel video on Facebook
00:27:57.060 and Facebook calls that against the rules
00:28:00.580 and they have to delete it.
00:28:01.720 Now, they haven't done that to us yet.
00:28:04.620 But people who share our stuff
00:28:06.740 are having their Facebook pages locked.
00:28:10.860 Exactly.
00:28:11.540 And this is a formula
00:28:12.480 not just for banning high-profile targets
00:28:15.160 like Infowars
00:28:16.080 or high-profile individuals
00:28:18.080 like Tommy Robinson.
00:28:18.980 It's a formula for banning
00:28:20.180 all their supporters as well.
00:28:21.560 because the one way
00:28:24.000 to get around censorship
00:28:25.240 is if all your supporters
00:28:26.200 keep sharing your content.
00:28:27.640 If they're getting banned
00:28:28.560 for doing that as well,
00:28:29.720 not only will your content
00:28:31.420 be completely
00:28:32.180 removed from the platform,
00:28:37.560 but also your supporters
00:28:38.660 will as well.
00:28:39.220 So that takes the election
00:28:41.080 interference to a whole new level.
00:28:42.460 They're not just banning
00:28:43.240 individuals and politicians
00:28:44.820 and political figures.
00:28:45.780 They're banning
00:28:46.340 all the people
00:28:47.320 who might go out
00:28:48.140 and vote for them
00:28:49.220 and convince their friends
00:28:50.560 on Facebook
00:28:50.960 to vote for them as well.
00:28:52.680 It's an entirely new level
00:28:54.440 of censorship.
00:28:56.040 And it's just Facebook
00:28:56.940 doing it now.
00:28:57.580 But as we've seen in the past,
00:28:59.720 other Silicon Valley companies
00:29:02.460 tend to follow
00:29:04.240 the leader.
00:29:05.900 So if one company
00:29:08.280 like Facebook
00:29:08.800 sets the level of censorship,
00:29:10.180 you can expect Twitter
00:29:11.040 and YouTube and Google
00:29:12.100 to follow soon after.
00:29:13.680 Most likely,
00:29:14.140 that's what happened
00:29:14.780 in the case of Alex Jones
00:29:17.140 and Infowars' ban.
00:29:18.560 You know,
00:29:18.820 it was one company
00:29:19.800 after the other
00:29:20.480 kicking them off the platform.
00:29:21.840 Yeah, that was incredible to watch.
00:29:23.880 I think he was banned
00:29:24.460 by six or seven companies
00:29:25.660 in a 24-hour period,
00:29:27.840 including companies
00:29:28.660 that went back
00:29:29.260 and historically
00:29:30.140 deleted everything
00:29:31.620 he had done with them
00:29:32.580 for years,
00:29:33.500 which is a very Stalinist move
00:29:36.260 to destroy history,
00:29:37.600 to, I mean,
00:29:38.760 obviously hundreds of things
00:29:40.880 that Alex Jones
00:29:41.680 had published were fine.
00:29:43.500 And then it was like
00:29:44.600 the old Roman emperors
00:29:46.560 and their damnatio memoriae
00:29:49.620 where they would damn
00:29:50.520 the memory
00:29:51.120 and annul the memory
00:29:52.160 and scrape the faces
00:29:53.840 off of paintings
00:29:54.940 of anyone who was deemed
00:29:56.700 a non-person.
00:29:57.660 I really think
00:29:58.360 that's terrifying.
00:29:59.500 I got a question for you.
00:30:01.200 I mentioned earlier
00:30:01.980 that the greatest beneficiary
00:30:03.460 of the political journalism,
00:30:05.940 the citizen journalism
00:30:06.800 on social media,
00:30:08.480 the citizen journalism,
00:30:10.500 is Donald Trump.
00:30:11.920 I mean,
00:30:12.260 Brexit was sort of
00:30:13.360 a warning tremor.
00:30:16.200 Donald Trump,
00:30:17.240 now you've seen
00:30:18.160 populists have success.
00:30:20.880 Mario,
00:30:21.640 sorry,
00:30:21.880 Matteo Salvini
00:30:22.840 in Italy.
00:30:24.420 You mentioned
00:30:25.060 Jair Bolsonaro
00:30:25.760 in Brazil.
00:30:26.680 I believe
00:30:30.600 that the depth
00:30:32.500 and breadth
00:30:33.280 of the censorship
00:30:34.080 we've discussed
00:30:34.820 over the last 10 minutes,
00:30:36.640 if allowed to continue,
00:30:39.880 will make Donald Trump
00:30:42.040 unelectable
00:30:42.900 in the year 2020.
00:30:44.600 He is the power user
00:30:46.480 of Twitter,
00:30:47.700 and yet I haven't seen him
00:30:49.280 do a thing
00:30:50.160 about this.
00:30:51.580 Why not,
00:30:52.280 Alan?
00:30:52.440 Well,
00:30:55.120 the one trend
00:30:56.500 we've seen
00:30:57.080 from these tech giants
00:30:58.140 over the last two years
00:30:59.620 is more and more
00:31:00.660 censorship targeted
00:31:01.480 at the right,
00:31:02.220 and the obvious aim
00:31:03.640 of this is to ensure
00:31:04.580 that something like 2016
00:31:05.940 never happens again.
00:31:08.360 Every analyst
00:31:09.440 noted that
00:31:11.020 Donald Trump's
00:31:11.740 digital campaign
00:31:12.600 in 2016
00:31:13.340 totally outclassed
00:31:14.640 Hillary Clinton's.
00:31:16.280 Brad Pascal,
00:31:17.620 who's now
00:31:18.000 Trump's campaign manager,
00:31:20.580 claimed,
00:31:21.140 says that Facebook
00:31:22.280 was the one tool
00:31:23.380 that helped them win
00:31:24.180 in that election.
00:31:26.780 And look,
00:31:27.160 beyond the leaks
00:31:28.560 showing the censorship
00:31:29.640 and the adjustment
00:31:30.500 of search results,
00:31:31.300 you only have to
00:31:32.120 look at
00:31:33.320 the reaction
00:31:34.280 of the Google executives
00:31:35.320 in that video
00:31:36.360 we leaked on Breitbart
00:31:37.420 just crying
00:31:39.240 in meltdown
00:31:40.220 after the election,
00:31:41.980 totally angry,
00:31:43.060 determined
00:31:43.420 to never let it happen again,
00:31:44.660 to use their power,
00:31:45.840 as they said,
00:31:46.700 to push their values.
00:31:49.580 You know,
00:31:49.800 Silicon Valley
00:31:50.320 believes they helped
00:31:51.620 Donald Trump
00:31:52.100 get elected in 2016
00:31:53.220 and they're determined
00:31:54.040 to stop it happening
00:31:54.960 again in 2020.
00:31:56.700 So this really is
00:31:57.400 the most urgent problem
00:31:58.640 for the campaign,
00:32:00.080 for the president,
00:32:01.200 if they want to have
00:32:02.560 a serious shot
00:32:04.320 in 2020
00:32:05.660 because it's not
00:32:06.520 a case like,
00:32:08.120 you know,
00:32:08.380 Donald Trump won
00:32:09.120 by a fairly small
00:32:10.520 electoral margin
00:32:12.440 in the swing states
00:32:14.180 that got him elected.
00:32:14.980 It's not like Brazil
00:32:15.860 where there was
00:32:16.300 a massive landslide.
00:32:17.260 You know,
00:32:18.660 this is a case
00:32:19.540 where big tech companies
00:32:20.920 can have a serious impact.
00:32:23.220 And the other thing,
00:32:24.260 if I was
00:32:24.780 in Donald Trump's shoes,
00:32:27.540 that would really
00:32:28.100 frustrate me
00:32:28.940 is how,
00:32:29.500 as you said earlier,
00:32:30.280 all this power
00:32:31.060 is shifting
00:32:31.560 to Silicon Valley.
00:32:32.560 It's almost like
00:32:33.320 the president
00:32:34.020 doesn't matter anymore.
00:32:35.320 Politicians don't matter anymore.
00:32:37.400 Corporations do.
00:32:38.360 You mentioned,
00:32:39.200 I think,
00:32:39.640 I also wrote in an article
00:32:40.920 about two weeks ago
00:32:41.920 about how tech companies
00:32:44.520 are being lobbied
00:32:45.320 like government,
00:32:45.920 something you hit on as well.
00:32:48.680 You know,
00:32:48.880 look at history.
00:32:50.380 Lobbyists have always
00:32:51.500 followed power.
00:32:53.420 So, you know,
00:32:53.720 in the medieval era,
00:32:54.920 you had courtiers
00:32:55.960 hanging out
00:32:56.780 at the palaces
00:32:58.400 of kings and queens
00:32:59.780 trying to win their favor.
00:33:02.320 When democracy
00:33:04.280 replaced kings,
00:33:05.480 the courtiers
00:33:05.980 turned into lobbyists.
00:33:06.980 They moved to state capitals
00:33:08.120 and began their lobbying there.
00:33:09.740 Now they're moving
00:33:10.380 to Silicon Valley.
00:33:11.780 If the lobbyists are going,
00:33:13.440 that means power is shifting.
00:33:14.640 And it's shifting
00:33:15.560 in a very anti-democratic
00:33:16.660 direction.
00:33:17.800 Well, help me out.
00:33:18.800 I agree with every word
00:33:19.600 you said,
00:33:20.420 but here's what I don't get
00:33:21.400 about Donald Trump.
00:33:22.180 Donald Trump
00:33:22.720 is a Manhattan brawler.
00:33:25.760 He was a property developer,
00:33:27.400 which in Manhattan
00:33:28.380 has got to be
00:33:28.860 one of the toughest things.
00:33:29.800 You've got to deal
00:33:30.340 with other cutthroats.
00:33:32.100 You've got to,
00:33:32.780 it's high stakes deals.
00:33:33.960 You've got to deal
00:33:34.440 with the unions
00:33:35.880 that aren't always straight.
00:33:37.380 You've got to deal
00:33:37.940 with city regulators.
00:33:39.560 Like, I can't imagine
00:33:40.460 a tougher business
00:33:41.300 to be in
00:33:42.040 in the United States.
00:33:44.380 And he's a brawler.
00:33:46.600 You know, he's,
00:33:47.540 he's got a reputation.
00:33:48.780 If you punch him,
00:33:49.500 he'll punch you back
00:33:50.120 twice as hard.
00:33:51.360 He gives his enemies,
00:33:53.440 you know,
00:33:54.740 brawler nicknames.
00:33:56.080 Like he's a,
00:33:57.140 he has this reputation
00:33:58.320 as a brutal brawler.
00:33:59.860 And yet I haven't seen
00:34:01.900 even hard words
00:34:03.400 for Silicon Valley.
00:34:05.120 If it's,
00:34:06.320 if it's a,
00:34:06.860 like I've seen him
00:34:07.560 on Twitter
00:34:08.820 denounce companies
00:34:10.560 for doing something wrong.
00:34:11.760 He denounces GM
00:34:13.100 and threatens them
00:34:14.400 with tariffs
00:34:15.020 if they don't
00:34:15.960 move a factory
00:34:16.720 back to America.
00:34:17.560 I've seen him,
00:34:19.180 one of his first tweets
00:34:20.200 was saying to Boeing,
00:34:21.480 you better get that price
00:34:22.660 down for Air Force One
00:34:23.740 or contract canceled.
00:34:25.060 I remember that one.
00:34:26.260 Where is
00:34:27.420 this pugnacious
00:34:28.720 bully character
00:34:30.240 that we love
00:34:31.280 or hate,
00:34:32.020 depending on your
00:34:32.700 point of view,
00:34:33.180 where is this bully Trump
00:34:34.620 to the guys
00:34:35.980 who are actually
00:34:36.440 trying to kill him?
00:34:38.480 Well,
00:34:38.700 this is a big problem.
00:34:40.100 I mean,
00:34:40.380 Donald Trump grew up
00:34:41.320 in,
00:34:42.420 and lived in the age
00:34:43.680 of TV.
00:34:44.460 He's a very,
00:34:45.000 very much a TV
00:34:45.840 oriented person.
00:34:48.080 And you can,
00:34:48.940 you can see
00:34:49.400 from his Twitter account
00:34:50.420 where his attention
00:34:51.460 is focused.
00:34:52.440 You know,
00:34:52.640 if CNN publishes
00:34:53.840 a dodgy story
00:34:54.680 about Russia,
00:34:55.360 he'll immediately
00:34:55.780 tweet about it.
00:34:56.640 But he didn't
00:34:57.160 immediately tweet
00:34:57.740 about what Facebook
00:34:58.360 was doing yesterday.
00:34:59.480 He will occasionally
00:35:00.300 call out Google,
00:35:01.180 he will occasionally
00:35:01.760 call out Twitter.
00:35:03.360 But you can see
00:35:04.660 he just spends
00:35:05.240 far more time
00:35:06.260 tweeting and talking
00:35:07.200 about the mainstream
00:35:08.680 media and their bias.
00:35:10.080 And that really
00:35:10.600 isn't a threat to him.
00:35:11.660 No one really likes
00:35:12.600 the mainstream media.
00:35:13.420 No one trusts them.
00:35:14.660 The real threat
00:35:15.440 is all these social
00:35:16.760 media platforms
00:35:17.700 that all of his
00:35:18.220 supporters are forced
00:35:19.100 to use,
00:35:20.280 and which help
00:35:20.880 get him elected
00:35:21.420 in 2016
00:35:22.120 and will help
00:35:22.780 get him unelected
00:35:23.600 in 2020
00:35:24.160 if he doesn't
00:35:25.380 do something about it.
00:35:26.640 And, you know,
00:35:26.940 there's no easy answers.
00:35:28.060 There's no easy
00:35:28.660 executive solution.
00:35:29.900 But, you know,
00:35:30.620 there are a lot of tools
00:35:31.700 that the president
00:35:34.500 has.
00:35:35.920 He could potentially
00:35:36.940 ask the DOJ
00:35:38.540 to start an
00:35:39.020 antitrust investigation
00:35:40.080 into Google.
00:35:40.860 Google has banned
00:35:41.780 its competitors
00:35:43.340 from video search
00:35:44.580 results.
00:35:45.120 It's banned news
00:35:46.480 from news sites,
00:35:47.980 from news search
00:35:48.540 results,
00:35:48.860 something that Donald
00:35:49.460 Trump actually did
00:35:50.140 talk about.
00:35:50.940 And he was called
00:35:51.560 a conspiracy theory
00:35:52.340 for it,
00:35:52.640 but it's actually true.
00:35:53.500 It was leaked out
00:35:54.040 a few weeks ago.
00:35:56.200 He could put pressure
00:35:57.580 on Congress
00:35:58.060 to do something.
00:35:59.160 He could put pressure
00:35:59.720 on state governments
00:36:00.340 to do something.
00:36:01.880 State attorney generals,
00:36:03.700 he could simply
00:36:04.400 talk about it more.
00:36:05.340 But he prefers
00:36:06.420 to talk about CNN
00:36:07.240 at the moment,
00:36:07.900 and I think that's
00:36:08.800 a fatal error,
00:36:10.340 and it'll cost him
00:36:11.000 in 2020.
00:36:11.940 Yeah.
00:36:12.360 It's very strange.
00:36:13.340 Let me throw one last thing
00:36:14.220 at you, being very generous
00:36:15.120 with your time.
00:36:15.940 I was looking through
00:36:16.840 a study that was used
00:36:18.800 by Google Canada,
00:36:20.560 and they just announced
00:36:21.360 a $1 million project
00:36:23.020 in Canada to root out
00:36:24.880 fake news,
00:36:25.840 and we know what that means.
00:36:26.780 And they tested two.
00:36:29.500 So it was a study done
00:36:30.400 by a liberal-leaning
00:36:31.400 research firm
00:36:32.980 called Ernst Clift.
00:36:33.820 It's a lobby group.
00:36:34.980 And they tested
00:36:35.780 a bunch of things.
00:36:37.160 One of the things
00:36:37.640 were they tested
00:36:38.200 alternative media,
00:36:39.640 and they chose two.
00:36:41.040 There's a Canadian
00:36:41.800 alternative media
00:36:42.660 called Rabble.ca.
00:36:44.480 It's a union group.
00:36:46.140 It's a left-wing thing.
00:36:47.580 Yeah, I don't read it,
00:36:48.280 but it's there.
00:36:49.160 And then the conservative
00:36:50.200 alternative they tested,
00:36:52.180 they didn't test
00:36:53.120 the Rabble.
00:36:54.400 They tested
00:36:55.100 Breitbart.com.
00:36:56.440 Now, I love Breitbart,
00:36:57.920 and I think a number
00:36:58.840 of Canadians get the news
00:36:59.880 from Breitbart,
00:37:00.680 but you're really
00:37:01.460 American-focused,
00:37:02.500 and you focus on the UK
00:37:04.060 and things, too.
00:37:05.780 I wonder if that's because
00:37:07.040 they were afraid
00:37:07.680 of testing the rebel,
00:37:09.120 or I wonder if that's because
00:37:10.740 the Trudeau liberals
00:37:13.300 hate Breitbart,
00:37:14.360 and that's a symbol
00:37:15.180 for all the things
00:37:16.720 they don't like.
00:37:17.700 I just found that
00:37:19.080 very odd
00:37:19.680 that a Canadian study
00:37:20.780 about Canadian news,
00:37:23.000 Canada, Canada, Canada,
00:37:24.100 the left-wing
00:37:25.000 alternative they used
00:37:25.840 was Rabble,
00:37:26.380 and the right-wing
00:37:27.000 alternative was Breitbart.
00:37:29.380 I'm just puzzling
00:37:30.420 over that.
00:37:30.980 You know,
00:37:31.540 what's your thoughts?
00:37:32.460 I don't know if I've
00:37:32.960 explained it well enough
00:37:33.720 for you to give
00:37:34.700 an opinion about that,
00:37:35.580 but why would the
00:37:36.280 Canadian government
00:37:37.120 be testing citizens'
00:37:39.120 views on Breitbart.com?
00:37:40.380 I can send you
00:37:41.020 the study if you want
00:37:42.040 to look at it.
00:37:43.900 That's very strange.
00:37:44.960 I mean,
00:37:45.160 to my knowledge,
00:37:46.100 we don't even have
00:37:46.820 a dedicated
00:37:47.480 Canadian affairs reporter.
00:37:49.760 It's possible
00:37:51.940 that the left
00:37:54.520 simply don't
00:37:56.120 spend a lot of time
00:37:57.620 trying to understand
00:37:58.440 the right-wing media,
00:37:59.460 so they'll just pick
00:38:00.180 whatever's in the headlines
00:38:01.500 or whatever they heard
00:38:02.760 about once they do
00:38:03.800 everything they can
00:38:04.620 to avoid right-wing media.
00:38:06.920 You know,
00:38:07.120 they have to go,
00:38:07.940 you know,
00:38:08.160 left-wingers have to go
00:38:08.880 to a safe space
00:38:09.680 if a right-wing speaker
00:38:10.500 comes on campus,
00:38:11.360 so they literally
00:38:12.700 can't come into contact
00:38:13.820 with it,
00:38:14.300 which is very different
00:38:15.000 to, in my experience,
00:38:16.240 to conservatives
00:38:16.720 who will read
00:38:17.400 every news source,
00:38:18.560 even news sources
00:38:19.500 they dislike.
00:38:20.640 So it's possible
00:38:21.520 that the person
00:38:22.340 in charge of that study
00:38:23.080 simply doesn't have a clue,
00:38:24.720 but I'm not sure beyond that.
00:38:28.580 Yeah,
00:38:28.840 it was just very odd,
00:38:29.680 and I thought,
00:38:30.220 since you're here,
00:38:30.860 and you're the senior tech editor
00:38:33.020 for Breitbart,
00:38:33.620 I'd ask you,
00:38:34.300 well,
00:38:34.520 very strange days,
00:38:35.600 and one day,
00:38:37.460 you might wake up
00:38:38.220 and we might be gone,
00:38:39.760 and we might wake up
00:38:40.600 and you might be gone,
00:38:41.980 because that's what happened
00:38:42.760 to Paul Joseph Watson
00:38:43.620 and other friends,
00:38:45.220 and on World Press Freedom Day,
00:38:47.440 no one seems to give a damn
00:38:48.540 and it makes me very sad.
00:38:52.800 Well,
00:38:53.240 I mean,
00:38:53.740 we'll keep fighting
00:38:54.560 and I know you will too,
00:38:55.500 Alam,
00:38:55.660 and I appreciate you
00:38:56.220 being on the show today.
00:38:58.420 Thanks, Ezra.
00:38:59.160 All right,
00:38:59.520 take care.
00:39:00.260 That's our friend,
00:39:00.840 Alam Bokhari,
00:39:01.740 the senior tech editor
00:39:02.840 of Breitbart.com.
00:39:04.560 Forgive me for being sad,
00:39:05.700 but I think that these
00:39:06.400 are sad times
00:39:07.080 if you care about press freedom,
00:39:08.700 and I think Orwell's predictions
00:39:10.480 are coming true too quickly,
00:39:12.880 and those who ought
00:39:14.540 to be motivated
00:39:15.220 to fight back,
00:39:16.060 they don't seem to be.
00:39:17.560 Stay with us.
00:39:18.560 Your letters are next.
00:39:30.700 Hey,
00:39:31.140 welcome back.
00:39:31.520 On my monologue yesterday
00:39:32.480 about a moose jaw teacher
00:39:33.720 bullying a student
00:39:34.980 with a Make America Great Again hat,
00:39:36.440 Betty writes,
00:39:37.560 that teacher is a goddamn liar.
00:39:40.060 The school should have
00:39:40.720 disciplined that teacher.
00:39:42.760 I think you're right.
00:39:44.100 I mean,
00:39:44.360 and forget about the lying.
00:39:45.360 The lying is the least of it.
00:39:46.280 If someone is willing
00:39:47.000 to threaten a child,
00:39:48.940 yeah,
00:39:49.360 the fact that they lie about it
00:39:50.480 is not,
00:39:51.160 neither a surprise,
00:39:52.260 nor the worst of it.
00:39:54.120 What's so gross
00:39:55.240 is how the school
00:39:56.500 equated the bully
00:39:58.240 and the bullied one,
00:39:59.260 and lied to the media
00:40:00.880 and the media
00:40:01.240 were thrilled
00:40:01.880 to go along
00:40:02.580 with the cover-up.
00:40:03.760 So weird.
00:40:05.800 Harold writes,
00:40:07.580 I'm exceptionally steamed
00:40:08.840 by the Saskatchewan
00:40:09.980 MAGA hat travesty.
00:40:11.480 Why are there not consequences
00:40:12.600 to stop this kind
00:40:13.420 of hateful bigotry?
00:40:14.500 Well,
00:40:14.880 it's sort of obvious,
00:40:16.180 Harold,
00:40:16.560 because the target
00:40:18.640 of the hatred
00:40:19.520 and the threat,
00:40:20.660 you got a punchable face,
00:40:22.220 was a conservative kid
00:40:23.860 wearing a
00:40:25.000 Make America Great Again hat.
00:40:26.340 If it was a liberal kid,
00:40:28.000 oh,
00:40:28.660 we wouldn't have heard
00:40:29.180 the last of it,
00:40:29.760 and that teacher
00:40:30.180 would have been fired,
00:40:31.360 and his union
00:40:31.840 wouldn't have backed him up.
00:40:32.860 On my interview
00:40:34.420 with David Menzies,
00:40:35.160 Paul writes,
00:40:36.440 billionaire liberal cronies
00:40:37.720 get taxpayer handouts
00:40:38.660 in the name of saving
00:40:39.680 the planet
00:40:40.480 from certain destruction
00:40:41.560 in 12 years,
00:40:42.380 and the liberals
00:40:42.920 actually announce it
00:40:43.780 as action on climate change.
00:40:47.280 Yeah,
00:40:47.720 you know,
00:40:48.180 I wonder if anyone
00:40:50.620 actually thinks
00:40:51.600 that a carbon tax
00:40:52.880 or free fridges
00:40:53.760 for billionaires
00:40:54.440 will change the weather.
00:40:56.340 Does anyone actually
00:40:57.800 think that through?
00:40:59.900 Because there are floods
00:41:01.380 in Ottawa,
00:41:02.360 we must tax you more.
00:41:04.520 Does that,
00:41:06.260 does the inverse
00:41:07.500 or reverse mean
00:41:08.640 if we tax you more
00:41:10.060 there won't be
00:41:10.600 any more floods
00:41:11.300 in Ottawa?
00:41:11.760 Does anyone
00:41:12.220 think that's how
00:41:14.320 the world works?
00:41:15.740 Don't answer that.
00:41:16.660 If Catherine McKenna
00:41:17.360 here,
00:41:17.680 she would probably
00:41:18.180 be putting up her hand.
00:41:20.160 Folks,
00:41:20.420 that's our show
00:41:20.860 for today
00:41:21.740 and brings us
00:41:23.160 to the close of the week.
00:41:23.940 Thank you so much
00:41:24.540 for being part of the Rebel.
00:41:26.040 We will have YouTube vids
00:41:27.360 throughout the weekend
00:41:27.920 and I'll be back on Monday.
00:41:29.220 Until then,
00:41:29.760 on behalf of all of us here
00:41:30.820 at Rebel World Headquarters
00:41:32.140 to you at home,
00:41:32.700 good night.
00:41:33.860 Keep fighting for freedom.
00:41:34.820 Keep fighting for freedom.