Joe Biden's ‘United Nations First’ vision for America
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Tom Harris of the International Climate Science Coalition joins me to talk about what a Biden-Harris win would mean for American energy independence and the American worker. We also talk about Trudeau's plastic ban, and what it means for the fight against climate change.
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Joe Biden wants to bring the United States back into the Paris Agreement. What does that mean
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for the American economy? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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As opposed to President Donald Trump's very successful America First agenda, it looks like
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Democrat candidate for President Joe Biden is running on a United Nations first, America last
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vision of the United States. Look at this. It's right from old geriatric Joe's own website.
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Joe Biden knows how to stand with America's allies, stand up to adversaries and level with any world
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leader about what must be done. He will not only recommit the United States to the Paris Agreement on
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climate change, he will go much further than that. He will lead an effort to get every major country to
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ramp up the ambition of their domestic climate targets. He will make sure those commitments
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are transparent and enforceable and stop countries from cheating by using America's economic leverage and
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power of example. He will fully integrate climate change into our foreign policy and national security
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strategies as well as our approach to trade. Now friends, do you really think Joe Biden is going to
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convince China's imperialist communists to hobble their own economy while Joe Biden cripples his own
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to please the United Nations? China very nearly uses more coal than the rest of the world combined.
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That's not going to stop. Under Trump, the United States is experiencing an energy renaissance
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and Biden is openly campaigning on killing it along with his anti-fracking running mate Kamala Harris.
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So joining me tonight to talk about what a Biden-Harris win would mean for America energy
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independence and the American worker is Tom Harris of the International Climate Science Coalition.
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So joining me now from his home in Ottawa is good friend of the network, good friend of the show,
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Tom Harris of the International Climate Science Coalition. Tom, thanks for coming on the show.
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I think we're about three, maybe almost four weeks, but I think it's closer to three weeks away from
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the American election. And you and I are both Canadian, but I think like me, you probably watch
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American politics pretty closely. For me, I think, look at all the money they're making, just drilling
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and exporting gas and oil. And we can't even get a pipeline built here in 10 years. Tell me,
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you have some thoughts on Joe Biden and his, what's the right word, his enthusiasm to rejoin the Paris
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Accord? Oh yeah, it's ridiculous. Biden has put out this multi-thousand word webpage. It's entitled
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The Biden Plan for a Clean Energy Revolution and Environmental Justice. Well, apparently it's not
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going to be environmental justice for the U.S. It's going to be environmental justice for China.
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In fact, I hope tomorrow I'll have an article in America Out Loud on americaoutloud.com,
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which talks about this. But here's what he says in his Biden plan, that he will not allow other
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nations, including China, to game the system by becoming a destination economies for polluters,
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et cetera. Ah, now how did China gain the system? They gained the system largely through
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the Paris Agreement, because not only did they not have to make any reductions in emissions until
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2030, whereas of course the U.S. and us are expected to do it right away. But there's actually
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an out clause for China. And believe it or not, China is still considered a developing nation,
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according to the Paris Agreement. The fact that they put out twice as much emissions as the U.S.
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doesn't seem to bother Biden. But regardless, here's what Biden also said. And this is completely
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contradictory of the idea that he's going to try and prevent China from gaming the system. He says,
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a Biden administration will re-enter the Paris Agreement on day one of the Biden administration.
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The Paris Agreement was an historic breakthrough for the world, reflecting the power of patience,
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strategic diplomacy in the service of America's long-term national interests. Well, what a joke.
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I mean, Paris was historic, all right. It was a demonstration of how well China uses useful
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idiots in the West to game the system while making it seem like it's an equal and balanced agreement.
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But of course it isn't. I mean, not only are the targets entirely different, China, as I say,
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has no limits till 2030, but the whole agreement. And in fact, it says right here in the Paris Agreement,
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I'll just read you a couple of quotes. Very few people actually read this. It says,
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the parties to this agreement, being parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate
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Change. Okay, there's one reference. A little later, it says, in pursuit of the UNFCCC convention
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and being guided by its principles. Oh, okay. So Paris is based on the UNFCCC. And what are its
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principles? This is worth really reading because it also shows how Canada is being taken for a ride.
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It says Article 4 in the UNFCCC. And remember, the Paris Agreement is based on the UNFCCC and makes
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direct reference to it. The extent to which developing country parties will effectively
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implement their commitments under the convention will depend on the effective implementation by
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developed country parties of their commitments under the convention related to the financial
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resources and transfer of technology. Okay, so we got to give them a whole lot in that category.
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But here's the killer. We'll take fully into account that economic and social development
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and poverty eradication are the first and overriding priorities of the developing country parties.
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And that's the key phrase. Because if that takes priority over everything else,
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then you can be 100% sure that China will not close down their coal-fired stations
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to meet emission target reductions. Because their first and overriding priority
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is poverty alleviation and development. And you don't get that by closing your least expensive source
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of power. And of course, more than half of China's power comes from coal. So what it really means
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is not only do we have to give them all that money and technology, but even then they don't have to
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meet the targets, because they don't have to close their coal stations. So Biden is saying on the one
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hand, he's not going to let them game the system. But then he's using the primary tool with which
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China is gaming the system. And he's saying we're going to get right back into it. So obviously,
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he's trying to plead both sides of the debate at the same time. You can't say you're not going to
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let China game the system, but then join the Paris Agreement, which lets them gain the system.
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Well, and it's typical Biden craziness to say something like, we're going to hand over,
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really, control of our economy to a bunch of unelected, unaccountable people at the United
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Nations, because really, that's what the Paris Accord does. It controls your economy. And that's
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the number one thing that Biden says that he's going to do. Not tackle the economic challenges
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of the entire world that the entire world is facing. America is not unique in this caused by the
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coronavirus lockdown. He said it's in the national interest to give away control of his country to
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the United Nations. Just to even think about that for a second. Just think about what would have
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happened to the American manufacturing if, and they were able to turn their manufacturing centers
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on a dime to ramp up PPE production during the pandemic. Imagine trying to do that on solar and
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wind. Yeah, I know. And Biden's talking about, you know, it's over a trillion dollars going into
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so-called clean energy. Of course, if anybody who watched Michael Moore's film, Planet of the Humans,
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knows that wind and solar are actually very dirty energy. They're anything but clean. But Biden,
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of course, along with the liberals, are pushing this whole mantra that this is clean wind and
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solar power as if it somehow magically falls out of the sky. But yeah, I mean, if Trump is not
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reelected, the U.S. is going to massively cripple itself by essentially allowing China to continue on
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hoodwinking us all. Well, they're going to take Alberta with it if America cripples itself. And I
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say this because one part of Keystone XL pipeline construction has doubled the population in one small
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Alberta town called Oyen. I think normally about 900 souls call Oyen town. Now they have an additional
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1000 workers in town. It's probably the only boom town in the country right now. Definitely Alberta.
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And that's because after Keystone XL languished on President Obama's desk until near death, it was
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revived by President Trump. And it's been the lifeline that Alberta has needed. And it's very interesting
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to see some of the official conservative types in this country express some Trump hate, Trump doubt at
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least. And you think, aren't you guys conservatives? Aren't you the oil and gas conservatives in this
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country? If you don't like Trump, just zip your lip at least for the interest of everybody else. They
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just can't do it, though. Yeah, exactly. And not only that, we're sadly seeing the current conservative
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leadership in Canada going after the Paris Agreement, as if similar to Trump, sorry, similar
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to Biden. It's the greatest thing since sliced bread. They don't realize that we're being taken
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for a ride by a number of developing countries, especially China. And of course, accepting the
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climate scare in the first place doesn't make sense for a conservative party leader. And he's doing it,
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unfortunately. I don't really understand the logic behind it. Because even if Canada were to cease to
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exist completely, it would have no impact on world emissions, even if world emissions did control
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climate, because we're only 1.6 percent of world emissions. So there's no sense whatsoever for us
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to stay in Paris. What we need to do, though, is help people adapt to climate change, because climate
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change always happens. And that's the whole point where this argument, even for the left, has become
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grossly immoral. I mean, right now across the world, we're spending more than a billion US dollars a day
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on climate change. And 95 percent of it goes to try to stop climate change at some point in the future
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that might occur due to computer model forecasts. I mean, that don't work. Only 5 percent of it is
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dedicated entirely to adaptation. Now, that's a real problem, because if you think about it, there are
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places in the world, in the Sahel and Africa and in northern Canada, where natural climate variability
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requires that we adapt. OK, and societies that have not adapted are not with us anymore.
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So what the Conservatives really should be saying is focus on adaptation, because Canada certainly
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can't even reduce world emissions significantly, let alone control climate change. But the whole idea
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that even humanity can control climate change is really nuts. But we should focus on adaptation.
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And that's a sensible approach. You know, I'll give you an example. In India, for example,
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all along the coast of the Bay of Bengal, which is where they get most of their cyclones, which are
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what they call hurricanes, they have storm shelters, multi-story concrete storm shelters built on huge
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stilts so that every kilometer, they're situated all along the coast. So an Indian doesn't have to walk
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more than a half a kilometer to get to safety. And then they engage in vertical evacuation. They just
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go above the waves and they stay there for a few days until it's safe to come down. And the United
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States doesn't have this all along the coast of Texas and Florida and Louisiana. They have to engage
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in what's called horizontal evacuation, jump in their car, drive like crazy and stick in a traffic jam.
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So, I mean, yes, the U.S. should spend money on adapting to climate change, burying cables underground,
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all kinds of things, because climate will change. And of course, extreme weather will happen.
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But the idea that we control it, of course, is ridiculous. So both the Democrats in the U.S.
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and the liberals in Canada are completely off base. I mean, the focus should be on adaptation,
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not Paris and trying to control the world's climate. That's a huge waste of money.
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You know, it's funny that you speak of adaptation, because it seems to me
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the people who push the climate scare are also the people who are against some of the best forms of
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adaptation. And that's crop science. They're vehemently opposed to crop science, creating
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better, hardier crops that either work better and grow faster with a greater yield in drought conditions,
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or in the case of Canada, that grow in, you know, colder climates like canola. Canola is a marvel of
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modern science. And people don't realize that sitting in your fridge is margarine. And the people who are,
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you know, who are very scared of the impending climate change catastrophe are also the ones who are so
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opposed to GMOs. It's very strange. They're also very opposed to nuclear power. If we were trying to
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reduce carbon dioxide emissions, then obviously nuclear is a sensible solution. But while there's
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lots of good reasons for nuclear, it's not going to stop climate change. You know, it's interesting,
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Sheila, one of the biggest climate alarmist organizations in the world is the World Nuclear
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Association out of the UK. I mean, they're essentially getting on the climate change bandwagon
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because, of course, why are nuclear reactors? Stop climate change. I mean, good grief. It's sad
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because I know a number of people in the nuclear industry who've said, look, there's good reasons
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for nuclear power if it's done properly and safely, etc. But stopping climate change, I mean, that is not
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one of them. So, I mean, anybody who's got on this bandwagon eventually will be disgraced. But I guess
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going back to the U.S. for a second, I mean, I think Biden's trying to please both sides. He's
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saying, we're going to protect American workers. But then he's saying, we're going to get back in
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the climate, Paris Climate Accord. But the two are contradictory. I mean, if you're protecting
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American workers, you do exactly what Trump did and you get out of these stupid agreements. In fact,
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if Trump becomes president again after this, if he's reelected, and I hope he is, quite frankly,
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then the next step should be to get out of this silly framework convention on climate change
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completely. Okay. And that would allow them to be automatically out of anything that's based on
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the framework convention, which would be Paris. And, you know, I have a quote here from Joe Bast,
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who is a director and senior fellow at the Heartland Institute in the United States. He said,
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this is really a case where cutting the tail off the dog all at once, rather than an inch at a time
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is the right move. It would be that is getting out of the whole framework convention. He says,
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it would be the shot heard round the world and bring the whole man-made global warming house of
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cards tumbling down. So Mr. Bast is totally right. And I hope Trump has a chance to enable that.
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Yeah. It's funny that Joe Biden would talk about protecting the American worker
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when his policies stand to make American electricity, some of the most expensive in the world.
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And that would absolutely obliterate manufacturing as we saw play out in real time in Ontario when
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these things were already tried once. Oh yeah, exactly. I mean, back in 2002,
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2002, we got about a quarter of our electricity from coal in Ontario and we had the lowest rates
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in the country. Ontario was booming. But then Dalton McGinty actually said, no, we're going to get rid
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of coal. We're going to save, stop climate change. And he swore that they'd get rid of it. And sure
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enough, they have. And the last I checked, Ontario prices right now, you know, averaged over the day
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at the peak time of day actually is what I'm thinking. We're about, it's about 200% higher
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than it was in 2002. So here you have liberals saying, oh, we want to champion the rights of
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the poor and the oppressed, social justice. But then they take steps which make it harder on the
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poor than anybody. A 200% rise in electricity rates doesn't hurt the rich. So Ontario is a perfect
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example. And I tell this to my American friends, if you follow Biden's approach, you're going to get
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what we have in Ontario. Huge debt. I think, yes, Ontario has the greatest sub-sovereign debt
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of any jurisdiction in the world. And that's largely because our electricity prices have gone through
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the roof and we're wasting billions and billions of dollars on bird and bat killing machines called
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industrial wind turbines, which as Shelley Correa and others have probably told you are horrible to
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live beside as well. I mean, with the infrasound they produce. So yeah, Ontario, great example of
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what not to do. Well, and in the end, particulates in the atmosphere didn't reduce the way they were
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promised. I think the Fraser Institute did an analysis of this a few years ago and they measured
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like pre-coal phase-out and post-coal phase-out particulates in the atmosphere. And it was like
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absolutely negligible. There's a fly in my studio. And as long as it doesn't land on my head,
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like, like I'm the vice president, things are going to be just fine. I wanted to talk to you
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about the plastics ban because like, I know that wasn't on the list of things to talk about,
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but as you were talking about Canada's CO2 emissions, what a perfect layover with the plastics ban,
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because I think the plastics, like the plastic in the oceans, I think Canada counts for, I think,
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four-tenths of one percent as a source country of single-use plastics that are floating around
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the world's shorelines. And yet, for some reason, it's my plastic straw here in the middle of
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Nowheresville, Alberta, that's ending up in the nostril of a sea turtle somewhere in the ocean. It doesn't
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make any sense. And it's just like the Paris Accord, like the carbon tax, it's pointless virtue
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signaling, because as Canadians, we are just a statistical rounding error.
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Well, that's right. I believe it was Scientific American had an interesting article in the past
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couple of years about where all the plastic's coming from. And something like 65% of it is coming
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from Southeast Asia, from China, from other countries, because a lot of, you know, the recycling
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that we do is apparently not being reproduced in places like China. They just dump it all in the
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river, and it all flows into the ocean. So until you can get China on board with these kinds of
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things, the amount of, you know, impact that Canada has is essentially zero. And that's the big
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problem. I mean, China, you know, Biden says he's going to hold China accountable. Oh, yeah, like,
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how are you going to do that, Mr. Biden, especially if you're signing a treaty that gives them all the
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privileges of developing nations. So yeah, the plastics thing is the same thing. I mean,
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whether we're working on a real problem, and to a considerable extent, the plastics problem is a
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real problem, or we're working on a make believe problem, which is the global warming one, giving
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all these benefits and overlooking the problems that China is causing is nuts. And that's why in the
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article that will be published tomorrow, the headline I'm suggesting is Biden for China.
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Yeah, that should be his bumper sticker. And the same thing with Trudeau. I mean, so often these
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policies are favoring the dictatorship that he said a while ago that he admires because they're
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efficient. Oh, yeah, sure. I guess Hitler was pretty efficient, too. But the fact is, we're being
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taken for a ride. I mean, Joe, Joe Biden, and it's quite funny, because I'll just read you a little
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quote here that he said in one of his particularly outrageous speeches during the campaign. He said,
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China is going to eat our lunch? Come on, man. They're not bad folks. Yeah. Well, of course,
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Trump has pointed out that not only are they going to eat our lunch, they've been eating it for years.
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Yeah. Okay. And Trump, and I'm so glad he gave that speech at the UN. You know, it was a videotaped
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speech in which he says China has to be held accountable for the COVID disaster. So I mean,
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that's the kind of leadership we need in Canada, too. We don't need weak-kneed conservatives sort of
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bending over backwards to appear politically correct. We want people like O'Toole to actually
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stand up and say what's real. Namely, look, if you really want to solve the plastic problem,
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go after China. If you want to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, go after China. Not that greenhouse
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gas emissions matter. Yeah. But regardless, this business of Canada first, you know, we're going
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to solve these problems, like Kraychan said when he first signed on to the Kyoto Protocol. No, come on.
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It's stupid. Well, and they don't want to think outside the box, outside of anything other than
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banning it. Yeah. You know, like there are solutions. Plastic, I think, is a magical
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wonderful thing. It's mostly, it's mostly inert. It's sanitary. It really saved the day during the
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COVID crisis. Oh, totally. If we decimate the plastics industry now, which is what they stand
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to do, where are they to step up to save us from the next pandemic? They won't be around and nobody
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sees it that way. Nobody sees a solution to the plastics problem that isn't banning it or expensive
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recycling. Because sometimes recycling is a pretty big scam too, where the energy inputs to recycle
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are much higher than just going and getting the new thing out of the mine or wherever. I don't see
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why we are so opposed to incineration. If we look at plastic as though it's an inert, locked fossil fuel,
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and that's energy that we can burn to use for electricity, what a great solution for the
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developing world to deal with their garbage problem. Oh yeah, totally. And in fact, you know,
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it's interesting that applies to a few fields like used oil, for example. A few years ago,
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I worked on a project with a group called Clean Burn. And what they did is they developed a very nice
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industrial furnace, which they put into garages so that when cars are serviced, they can burn the oil
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for heat. And, you know, they maintained, and I haven't seen the life cycle analysis, but this was
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a more effective, environmentally friendly way to deal with used oil than to gather it all up and
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to reprocess and recycle it. You know, it's interesting, Sheila, because there's one other
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material that's not worth recycling, and that is a glass. If you think about it, glass is simply made
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from sand. And there was a study done years ago in Sweden, which showed that the cost and
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environmental impact to gather up all the glass across the world and to crush it up and reuse it
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was actually worse than if you just simply threw it in a landfill and let it decay over the centuries.
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So, you know, you really have to do a proper emotionless life cycle analysis. Looking at
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compact fluorescent light bulbs, for example, that was supposed to be the be-all and the end-all
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to get rid of incandescent lights. But people hadn't done a life cycle analysis because, of course,
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they contain mercury, and you've got to somehow dispose of the mercury. Now, LEDs are actually a
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great solution. They're going to be, I think, the next compact, they're going to be the next
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incandescent light. Eventually, they'll replace them all. But, you know, none of these environmental
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groups are doing proper life cycle analysis, saying, how much does it cost to recycle plastic?
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What's the environmental impact of just throwing it in the ground or burning it, as you suggest?
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If you burn it cleanly through proper furnaces, then, indeed, you're saving oil, you're saving natural
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resources. So all of these things have to be assessed in a scientific and engineering economic sort of way.
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Not just, oh, we're going to stop climate change. We're going to save the world from plastic.
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I mean, these are just simply, as you say, virtue signaling. That's all it is.
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Yeah, I can't even believe that we live in a time and place in human history where we need the advice
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of a Swedish teenager before we go ahead with any sort of modern, marvelous innovation in humankind.
00:27:51.060
It's a very strange time to be alive. Tom, I wanted to give you a chance to let everybody know
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where they can find your work, find some of the advocacy that they do, and even better yet,
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support to the work that you do. Because unlike the green movement, we don't get a lot of foreign
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funding and deep pockets on our side of the aisle, do we?
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No. Well, yeah, I work with the International Climate Science Coalition, and you can see us
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on the web at climatescienceinternational.org. And, you know, I always promote one particular website
00:28:26.540
in particular, and that is climatechangereconsidered.org. Because that includes reports from the
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non-governmental international panel on climate change, which show that there are thousands of
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scientists around the world who either doubt or definitely disagree with the climate scare.
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People can get in there. It's very well written. It has summaries of each chapter. If you want to dig
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into details, they're all there right on climatechangereconsidered.org.
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Oh, my podcast. Yeah, the best way to find it, you can go to our homepage. The first,
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second item on our homepage is an interview with Ian Clark. We've done a lot since then.
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It's called Exploratory Journeys with Tom Harris. And we get into all kinds of things. I mean,
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one of the most recent ones was an interview with Jarl Katowski, who's a bird and bat expert.
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And he was vehemently opposed to wind turbines and explains why. So that's kind of fun. You can go
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to our web, our homepage and see that interview with Clark, Ian Clark, second one down at
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climatescienceinternational.org. Or if you forget, just search Tom Harris and Exploratory Journeys
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You climate change skeptics are the absolute worst at self-promotion. You know, Michelle Sterling
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from Friends of Science where she forgets the titles of the books she's written.
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Well, Sheila, I got to tell you something. I was putting together a bit of a proposal for a
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potential donor and I was looking around the web and, you know, the best place to see what I've done
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It's hilarious. They must have 50,000 words on my nefarious background.
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So I actually sent it to them and I said, you know, this actually, I take this as a great
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compliment that they've spent, you know, 50 pages of stuff on my background. My God, I'm an awful evil
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I like it though, that they are burning up some of that foreign funding just watching us and
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they're not in some protest line blocking job somewhere. So I mean, the glass is half full.
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For a while, when you search for my name and climate, the smog blog came up first. And at first
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I thought, Oh, this is terrible. Then I thought, no, actually it's really good.
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Yep. Yep. No, it's a glass half full kind of thing. If we keep them busy, they're leaving
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everybody else alone. Tom, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show. We'll have
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Friends, I'm ready to adapt to any changes in the climate if they are indeed happening.
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The way humanity has adapted to every challenge our species has ever faced. Unlike climate change
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fear mongers, I believe in human resiliency, human innovation and hard science. And I don't believe
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that taxes will change the weather and save us all. That's disproven anti-science quackery.
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Well, everyone, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody
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back here in the same time, in the same place next week. And remember, don't let the government