Judges tried to destroy one of their own — because of one CBC article. Imagine what they could do to you.
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A judge is suing a bunch of other judges, and then another judge has to judge the judges. Oh boy, it s nasty. But there s a lot of interesting insights and little sneak peeks into the people who rule over us.
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Hello, my rebels. Today, I go deep into a lawsuit, the likes of which I've never seen.
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One judge is suing a bunch of other judges, and then another judge had to judge the judges.
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Oh boy, it's nasty. It's nasty. But there's a lot of interesting insights and little sneak peeks
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into the people who rule over us. I hope I can keep your attention as I go through this
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interesting legal ruling today. I think you'll find it interesting. I hope so.
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That's the show today. I guess it helps a bit to have the visual of the court ruling. I read
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through it. And some people find that easier to follow along when they're looking at the words,
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viewers and listeners. All right. Enough for the plea. Here is my podcast.
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Tonight, I've got a good news story from the Federal Court of Canada. I can't even believe
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I'm saying those words. It's May 22nd, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody
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Look at this court ruling from the Federal Court of Canada. And perhaps it's more than a coincidence.
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It's written by Justice Russell Zinn, the same federal court judge who ruled in our favor last
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October in the Debates Commission case. Here's the ruling. I want to go through it a bit.
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Now, look who's suing whom. The Honorable Justice Patrick Smith and the Attorney General of Canada
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and the Canadian Judicial Council, the Canadian Superior Court Judges Association,
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and the Ontario Superior Court Judges Association interveners. It's just so many lawyers and judges.
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A judge is suing the Judicial Council and the judges' associations and the government.
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That's what judges suing on the judges. And then Judge Zinn is ruling on the judge versus judge battle.
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Holy moly. I'm going to read some of this for you. Justice Zinn starts by quoting the late journalist
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Christy Blatchford, who wrote a column about this whole case.
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The fact that Judge Patrick Smith is in danger of a removal is a sobering illustration of the
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no good deed goes unpunished saying. Christy Blatchford. Well, that gives you a hint which
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The Honorable Justice Patrick Smith, Justice Smith, is a judge of the Superior Court of
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Justice of Toronto. He challenges two decisions of the Canadian Judicial Council.
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The first is the August 28th decision of the Quebec Superior Court Associate Chief Justice Robert
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Pidgeon in his capacity as Vice Chairperson of the Judicial Conduct Committee to constitute a
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judicial conduct review panel. Second, Justice Smith challenges the November 5th, 2008 decision of
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the review panel. Okay. Now, please don't click away. I promise it doesn't get more boring than that.
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That's the boringest part. Those are just the names of the fancy oversight committees that scrutinize
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judges. So Judge Smith is suing, or actually he's appealing to be more precise, rulings against him
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by Judge Pidgeon and a bunch of other judges who had condemned him. So it's a Judge Civil War,
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and our favorite judge, Judge Zinn, is the referee. Now, here's the part that's in plain English,
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but I predict you will find it as hard to understand as any lawyer would. Ready? The review panel concluded
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that Justice Smith, in accepting the appointment of interim dean academic at Boralaskan Faculty of Law
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at Lakehead University, contravened Section 55 of the Judges Act. It further found that Judge Smith
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failed in his ethical obligations as a judge to avoid involvement in public debate that may unnecessarily
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expose him to political attack or be inconsistent with the dignity of judicial office. So hang on,
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this judge, the judge that's suing the other judges, Judge Smith. So he took a temporary position,
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that's what interim means, as the academic dean of a law school at Lakehead University. And the other
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judges said that's unethical. I'm not even kidding. That's what they said about him. Yeah, I'd sue them
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too. The decision of the review panel is not reasonable. And the Canadian Judicial Council
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procedure was applied unfairly to Justice Smith and was an abusive process. Justice Smith is entitled
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to a meaningful remedy. So Judge Zinn, that's our favorite guy, he sided with Judge Smith against this
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big shot panel of judges who had condemned him for helping a law school. Here are the facts,
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as outlined by Justice Zinn. On April 16, 2018, the interim president and vice chancellor,
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Lakehead University, wrote to Justice Smith asking him to accept an appointment to the position of
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interim dean of the law school. The law school had existed since, only since 2013. Its mandate is
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aboriginal and indigenous law, natural resources and environmental law, and small firm and sole practice.
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The second permanent dean of the law school, Angelique Eaglewoman, resigned earlier in 2018,
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alleging institutional racism. In her letter to Justice Smith, the interim president notes
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the importance that it maintained the confidence and support of the Law Society of Ontario,
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the Federation of Law Societies of Canada, and of our local bar and extended communities.
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The interim president explains why he's being asked to take on this interim position.
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We make this urgent request based on your knowledge, skills, and experience as a judge of the Superior
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Court of Ontario. In addition, your long-standing connections and the respect you garner in the
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local, provincial, and national legal communities, combined with your significant work with indigenous
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communities and your important publications focused on aboriginal law in Canada, are critical
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to the ongoing evolution and success of the faculty of law. So just to be clear, this is an aboriginal-focused
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law school. They're having some trouble. The whole place is wobbly and rickety. It's only five years old at this
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point. The university's president is desperate for someone to save the day just to hold the fort while they
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find someone permanent. It's a bit unconventional, but a sitting judge might actually be just the right person.
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They literally ask him to do them a favor to save the school. Not just any school, but a school that has the
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purpose of helping aboriginal people in the law. That sounds pretty noble to me. Pretty woke. Something
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that you'd think would receive support from everyone. And as Justice Zinn points out,
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Justice Smith sits in the northwest region, and before becoming a judge in 2001,
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practiced law in Thunder Bay for 25 years. He has significant expertise in aboriginal and indigenous
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law. So he knows the file. He knows aboriginal law, certainly more than most lawyers in downtown
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Toronto or Montreal would, just for example. In fact, I got to say, the more I learned about Judge
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Smith, he sounds like a perfect law school dean if the purpose of the school is to focus on aboriginal
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law. Let me read. In October 2009, he was appointed to the Specific Claims Tribunal. Justice Smith worked
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with former judge and current senator Murray Sinclair, chair of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission,
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on various judicial education initiatives, including developing and co-chairing a three-day
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intensive course sponsored by the National Judicial Institute on Aboriginal law for judges from across
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Canada and creating an updated judicial bench book on aboriginal law. He's often invited by legal
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organizations to speak on aboriginal and indigenous law and is called upon regularly by judges across
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Canada to assist with the mediation of land claims and other litigation between First Nations and various
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levels of government. Okay, I've got to ask you a question. Does he sound racist? Does he sound stupid or
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ill-informed? Does Judge Smith sound unethical to you? I mean, I'm sorry, those questions are too absurd to
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even ask, aren't they? Well, to you maybe. But in a moment, I'll tell you who is actually malicious
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enough to ask them. I'll tell you who complained about this in a way. In the meantime, try to guess
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what is the most malicious negative low force in Canada today? Think lower. Okay, lower. Lower,
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Cal. I'll tell you in a moment. Okay, just to let you know, Judge Smith didn't just walk away from his
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job as a judge. That would be a bit nuts. He literally asked all his bosses for permission
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and for their advice. So he wrote to the chief judge of the province. That's the judge who's in
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charge of the other judges. He wrote, and they checked with the justice minister of the day,
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Judy Wilson-Raybould, who, as you know, is herself an aboriginal woman. So everything was like,
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just do everything by the book, check all the boxes, which you would sort of expect and hope for
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from a judge, right? So here's how that went according to Justice Zinn. Justice Smith informed,
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Justice Smith informed the Honorable Heather J. Forster Smith, Chief Justice of the Superior
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Court of Justice, of the request from the law school. In his letter, Justice Smith says,
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the affairs at the school are in crisis. This characterization of the situation at the law
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school is not questioned. He asked for the approval of his chief justice and the minister of
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justice to accept this short-term appointment. The chief justice wrote to the minister of justice
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Jody Wilson-Raybould, expressing her support for Justice Smith to accept this role. She notes
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that this request, quote, would take him outside of his judicial duties in a role that is unprecedented
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for a judge of our court. She also notes that Justice Smith is a supernumerary judge, so the impact may
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be less than it would in other circumstances, particularly until the fall. Now, by the way, as a
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supernumerary judge, Justice Smith performs judicial duties for only six months each year. She indicates
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that this is an exceptional situation and an opportunity for our court to respond positively
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to a number of Truth and Reconciliation Commission recommendations. The chief justice proposes to
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grant Justice Smith a leave of up to six months from June 1, 2018, to November 2018, under the authority
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given to her in paragraph 54.1a of the Judges Act. She notes that anything beyond that would require
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an order in counsel. Okay, okay, so that's a long quote. So both the chief judge and the justice
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minister say, all right, for a six-month term, it's fine. He's only a halftime judge anyways,
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and Jody Wilson-Raybould thinks it would not only be a good thing in terms of helping the school,
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but it would show harmony, reconciliation, you know? Let me quote some more. The chief justice writes
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that Justice Smith appreciates that he can only accept the role within certain clear parameters,
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including that his role be confined to academic leadership. He would delegate administrative
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authority over recruitment, financial decisions, and academic appeals to others within the school.
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Lastly, she observes, given the restrictions of Section 55 of the Judges Act, which prohibits
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extrajudicial employment, occupation, or business, he could not accept any remuneration from the
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university. So he's not going to take a dime for this, just to be very plain. He's not taking any
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money for this. So everyone's being very, very careful. If he's a dean, he's not going to hire
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and fire anyone. He's not going to spend or raise any money. Those could possibly be seen as showing
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some bias or something. I don't know. I'm not quite sure how that would show bias, but they didn't want
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to take any chances. He's just going as an academic guide. So the justice minister specifically writes
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back to the chief judge. I have no concerns about your granting Justice Smith a special leave
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from June 2018 to November 2018 as outlined in your letter. Okay, so get this. He takes the gig
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and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster, writes a story about the judge
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and includes rancor from some nobody critics. Of course, it's the CBC. They bitch and moan for a living.
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They're victimologists. They only have one narrative for aboriginal people, victims.
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And an out-of-control legal busybody reads that CBC story about some people bitching,
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and he starts an investigation into Judge Smith's ethics. The week he accepted the job,
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he hadn't even started yet. Let me read. On May 9th, 2018, the executive director of the CJC,
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that's the Canadian Judicial Council, Norman Sabarin wrote to Justice Smith with a copy to his chief
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justice. He observed that pursuant to section 4.2 of the Canadian Judicial Council procedures
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for the review of complaints or allegations about federally appointed judges, in addition to receiving
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and reviewing complaints, he may review any other matter involving the conduct of a superior court judge
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that comes to the attention of the executive director and appears to warrant consideration.
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He further noted that under section 4.3 of the review procedures, if he determines that the matter
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warrants consideration, he must refer it to the Judicial Conduct Committee. With that background,
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Mr. Sabarin writes in his letter to Justice Smith that media reports indicate that he has accepted
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to serve as dean of Lakehead University on an interim basis, and he attaches a CBC web report
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posted May 3rd, 2018, entitled Justice Patrick Smith named interim dean of Lakehead Law School.
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It reports on the departure of former Dean Angelique Eaglewoman, who on stepping down said systemic
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issues within the university and challenges to implementing the Bora Law School and Faculty of Law's
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Aboriginal and Indigenous Law Mandate have made my continued involvement in the law school untenable.
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The news report concludes with the reaction of some Indigenous leaders to the situation at the law
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school. Since then, Indigenous leaders representing dozens of First Nations communities across
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Northwestern Ontario called for immediate change at Lakehead University. They made several
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recommendations, including that Lakehead commit to appointing an Indigenous person as Eagle Woman's
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successor, that an independent review examine all issues and allegations raised by her,
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and that appropriate measures are subsequently taken. Mr. Sabarin says, in light of sections 54 and 55 of
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the Judges Act, and given the general duties and ethical obligation of judges, acceptance of the
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interim dean role brings me to the view that the situation may warrant consideration by counsel.
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Prior to reaching any decision, Mr. Sabarin invites Justice Smith's views.
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Huh. This is Norman Sabarin, a sour-looking man. He looks like a nosy bureaucrat, doesn't he? He's the executive
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director of the Canadian Judicial Council. So let me be clear. There actually hadn't been any complaint. He
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hadn't actually started yet. Both the chief judge of the province and the justice minister, who's Aboriginal,
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like the idea. Judge Smith was saving the day. It was a six-month mission of mercy for a school
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that was falling apart. There were lots of checks and balances on what he could or could not do. Not
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only did no one complain, but every I had been dotted and every T had been crossed. But this meddling
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little bureaucrat took it upon himself to launch an investigation. No complaints. I'm serious. Now,
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you can imagine, in a case of judges fighting with judges about being judges and the whole thing
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being reviewed by judges, this ruling goes on for quite a while. I can just tell you one thing I've
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learned from this is that it's not unprecedented for sitting judges to also be law school deans.
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In fact, in the past, judges even on our Supreme Court of Canada have served as law school deans.
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Judge Smith put in lots of safeguards. He said, for example, when he was done as interim dean,
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he went back to a judge. He wouldn't sit on any cases that involved that university.
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So he's being extremely well-behaved. He would recuse himself from those cases. It was all so
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reasonable. He went back and forth with the Canadian Judicial Council's Norman Sabarin.
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So he said, oh, no, no, everything's fine. I checked. I got permission.
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But that sneering sourpuss bureaucrat proceeded to investigate and prosecute him nonetheless. I
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swear to God. He was doing this for free. Let me remind you. Judge Smith wasn't taking a dime.
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Now, here's where it gets weird. And here's where it gets gross. So remember, this was just a six-month
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interim thing. Helping an Aboriginal law school that was falling apart. Helping Aboriginal people,
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students, the community. But this Norman Sabarin and the Judicial Council, they just won't let this go.
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Does Judge Smith need any of this? Does he need the hassle? The stress? The weird attempt to shame him?
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Shame him? Shame him? No, he does not. Does he need the investigation and the prosecution of him?
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Seriously, that's what they do. They were prosecuting him for an ethical breach. Does he need this in his
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life? No, he does not. So he resigned. That's what they wanted him to do. So he resigned. Not sure how
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that helps the law school or the reputation of the law itself or Aboriginal students. Not sure. But that
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weirdo, Norman Sabarin, who acted in the absence of a complaint. Let me say that again. No one complained to
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the Judicial Council. Just some whiny, grievance-mongering report in the CBC State Broadcaster.
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And that was enough. Sabarin got his way. Judge Smith quit. But Sabarin and the Canadian Judicial
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Council, they weren't done yet. They wanted their pound of flesh. They proceeded against Judge Smith
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anyways. Even after he bent the knee, even after he quit and said, all right, I'm out of here. They still
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went after him. I'm serious. And incredibly, they leaked their denunciation of him, their ruling against
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him to the media before they even told him. Let me read. On November 6, 2018, the CJC, that's the
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Canadian Judicial Council, told two reporters that the review panel had reached its decision
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and that it would be released that day without having so informed Justice Smith or his counsel.
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The CJC published a press release on its website the same day with a link to the panel decision.
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Is that normal? Or is that crooked? Why are you leaking things to the media? You're supposed to
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be the court. What the hell is wrong with the Canadian Judicial Council? Why do they hate Judge
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Smith so much? Why are they prosecuting a man without even a complaint against him? Why are they continuing
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their prosecution even after he complied with their bizarre demands? And then why are they leaking the
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results like some cheap political intrigue rather than being the alleged counsel of the most senior
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judges in the land? You want to know who brought the administration of justice into disrepute here?
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Who makes judges look unethical and unreliable and politically motivated and untrustworthy and
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punitive and biased? Yeah, it ain't Judge Smith, I'll tell you that. So I'm pleased to say that Judge
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Smith sued the bastards. Technically speaking, he appealed the ruling of this council of judges.
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Let me read. These applications focus on three issues. Whether the decision of the review panel
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decision is reasonable, whether the CJC proceedings were procedurally unfair or an abusive process, and
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if the applications succeed, what is the appropriate remedy? Oh, it is a pleasure to read the dozens of
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pages to follow, but it wouldn't fit in this video monologue. Suffice it to say, Justice Zinn,
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more or less accuses the Canadian Judicial Council of, quote, reverse engineering the verdict. As in,
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they came up with their decision first, and then they tried to find some way to justify it. He says
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they misinterpreted the law. They didn't use common sense, and they were just wrong about their ethical
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accusations. But most damning to me is Justice Zinn's ruling that this Canadian Judicial Council engaged in
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an abuse of process. As in, they had all this power in their hands, and they abused it. They were
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corrupted. Here, read this. I find that the CJC disciplinary procedure was misused from the beginning,
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when the executive director determined that Justice Smith accepting the appointment to the law school
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was a matter that warrants consideration. Of course it didn't warrant consideration. Judge Smith got
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permission from the chief judge and the justice minister. Then he took the interim job, no payment,
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all sorts of checks and balances on them. If taking that job was unethical, then by definition,
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so was the chief judge of the whole province and the justice minister, because they approved it,
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really. Remember, not a single complaint to the judicial committee. And when they persecuted,
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I'm not even going to say prosecuted. When they persecuted Judge Smith, they claimed it was because
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the law doesn't allow them to take outside work, and then it puts them in an ethical bind.
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They threw those baseless accusations at him, which were absurd. Like I said, Judge Zinn,
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in his ruling here, accused the Canadian Judicial Council of just making up excuses to backfill
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their hate for this guy. So why did they hate him? What was really motivating their persecution? Why
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were they shaming him like this? Remember, Justice Zinn didn't say they just got it wrong.
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They misused it. It was an abusive process. Why? This Judge Smith, I never met him, seems like a nice
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enough guy. Seems like he loves Aboriginal people, lives in the North, loves the law, seems to be
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politically sympathetic to vulnerable people. I dare say he sounds like a stand-up guy, someone who's sort of
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a credit to the court. I think he's one of the good guys. I don't know him. I don't know him.
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So why did they prosecute him, drive him out, sue him, condemn him, and then leak against him?
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That's the lamest part. What's going on here? Well, Justice Zinn has a theory.
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It's that article from Trudeau's CBC State Broadcaster. Take a look. Just for clarification
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here, a reminder, Pidgin ACG is Associate Chief Justice Pidgin, the judge on the Judicial Council
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who condemned Judge Smith. Let me quote. As noted above, the only information Justice Smith
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had as to the substance of the matter was the initial letter of the executive director,
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attaching one web page reporting that he had accepted the appointment, and it's a reference
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to sections 54 and 55 of the Judges Act and the general duties and obligations of judges.
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However, Pidgin, in his reasons for referring the matter to the review panel, indicates that
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other material was before the executive director, which guided his actions and decisions. He writes,
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Following Justice Smith's appointment as interim dean, First Nations leaders were upset and criticized
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the lack of prior consultation and failure to follow the recommendations of the National Advisory
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Committee on Aboriginal issues. They called on the university to rescind the appointment.
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On the 9th of May 2018, given the public comments made in response to the statements made by First
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Nations chiefs, the executive director of the Canadian Judicial Council wrote to Justice Patrick
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Smith and his chief justice to obtain more information. None of this information was provided to Justice
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Smith. Specifically, he was not informed of the executive director's concerns about the call for him to resign,
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nor was he provided with any of the public comments made in response to statements made by First Nations chiefs, nor those statements.
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Procedural fairness dictates that one is entitled to know the case to be met. This is a fundamental
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procedural right the executive director failed to give to Justice Smith.
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So let me explain if it's not clear. Some malcontents bitch about the fact that they weren't consulted
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about Judge Smith for his temporary interim leadership. And so the CBC loves that because,
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remember, the only narrative they accept about Aboriginal people is about grievance and victimology.
00:25:25.940
So here's some good guy coming to do them a favor for free, just a six-month patch while they get their act
00:25:31.780
together. Seems like a lovely man. But someone bitched to the CBC and the CBC makes an industry out of bitching.
00:25:37.940
And this scares or motivates Norman Sabarin and the rest of the cowards of the Canadian Judicial Council.
00:25:44.580
But they don't have the courage to actually tell Judge Smith why they're mad at him, why they hate him.
00:25:50.100
They probably don't even hate him. They're just so afraid of some CBC whipped up mob,
00:25:54.580
so afraid of political correctness that actually never materializes here, that they set up Judge Smith.
00:25:59.300
You get that? They set him up. They claim he was being disciplined for ethical corruption,
00:26:04.180
for illegally taking a side job, none of which is true. It's patently absurd. But because they lack
00:26:09.940
the moral courage or the plain old honesty to say what really motivated them, some CBC quoting some
00:26:16.820
unknown anonymous people bitching that no one asked them who should be the interim dean to run the law
00:26:22.020
school that's falling apart. And so based on that, the unethical Canadian Judicial Council
00:26:28.020
set out to destroy a good man, a better man than any of them, a man who had done more for
00:26:32.900
Aboriginal people than any of them, I'll tell you that. Let me quote Justice Zim.
00:26:38.340
I find that the CJC process involving Justice Smith was unfair to the point that it is contrary to
00:26:44.900
the interests of justice. It was an abuse of justice. Boom. You judges are unfair. It's in your bones.
00:26:57.460
The thing is about judges, all they have is their fairness. If a judge isn't fair, it's like salt
00:27:05.300
that's lost its saltiness. There's nothing left, is there? Except a bunch of overpaid political hacks.
00:27:13.940
Now look at this. Look at all the lawyers involved in this massive fight. The judge has a lawyer. The
00:27:20.580
judges he's suing each have lawyers. There are lawyers for lawyers. And then there's a judge judging
00:27:25.540
the judges who judged the judge. What, did this whole thing cost a million dollars? Probably.
00:27:31.780
Was it all unfair to Judge Smith? Absolutely. Because the cowards at the Canadian Judicial Council
00:27:38.580
were worried about some CBC political pout? Yes. And my point to you is this, my friends.
00:27:44.900
If these politically correct, abusive, secretive, biased, corrupt, unreasonable liars can do this to
00:27:57.220
one of their own, what do you think they would do to you? Stay with us for more.
00:28:14.900
Welcome back. Well, of course, even in times of crisis, a constitution matters, civil rights matter,
00:28:23.300
and one basic civil right is the freedom of the press. And even though you want a sense of national
00:28:28.980
purpose behind a national leader and his advisors, you also want critics, constructive critics, as we
00:28:36.420
call them in Canada, a loyal opposition, loyal to the country, critical of the man in power. Alas,
00:28:43.140
in Canada, we seem to have put the opposition on the back seat. Of course, parliament sits rarely,
00:28:50.500
and in many cases, online. The parliament itself was a grudging concession by Justin Trudeau, who
00:28:58.180
sought to rule by fiat for another year, spending's out of control. And of course, law enforcement has
00:29:03.940
gone nuts. In the United States, though, you see some of those phenomena, but you see another one.
00:29:10.100
The media, rather than being fawning like they are in Canada, have gone into overdrive with their
00:29:17.140
partisan attacks on Donald Trump. It's almost as if they're taking the side of the virus,
00:29:24.340
because whatever Trump is against, they are for. And if it's too much for them to take the side of
00:29:29.300
the virus, well, then they'll take the side of the closest thing, namely the People's Republic of
00:29:35.140
China. Which brings us to our next guest. His name is Ben Weingarten. He writes for The Federalist,
00:29:39.460
and the article we're talking about today is called, U.S. Media Helps China Spread Propaganda
00:29:46.100
About Wuhan Virus and Foreign Policy. And Ben joins us now by Skype. Good to see you again.
00:29:52.980
Well, let me just remind our viewers, we've talked to you several times before,
00:29:55.780
including about your great book about Ilhan Omar called American Ingrate. And we'll make sure that
00:30:03.380
we have the Amazon link underneath this video. I highly, highly recommend it. It's the authoritative
00:30:08.260
book. But Ben, you've done great work on the U.S. propaganda war. I got a question for you. Is this
00:30:14.980
just general left of center journalism that's always been soft on communism? Or is this, you know,
00:30:21.220
an enemy of my enemy is my friend? Anything that's against Trump, I like just to get Trump out.
00:30:28.340
I think it's a little bit of a combination of both. In addition to the fact that much of U.S. media has
00:30:36.660
a pecuniary interest in continuing the, what I would describe as establishment status quo,
00:30:44.180
the engagement or integrationist or accommodationist agenda, really an appeasement agenda with respect
00:30:51.140
to the communist Chinese party that has persisted for decades. Your viewers will note that, for
00:30:57.380
example, the Washington Post and the New York Times and many other publications as well,
00:31:01.620
have historically, and in some cases to this day, continued to run inserts from English language,
00:31:08.020
Chinese publications that are obviously derivatives of the Chinese Communist Party. And of course,
00:31:14.100
this extends into really every sector of America, whether it's the financial services sector,
00:31:19.620
and it's underwriting and capitalizing on fees for doing business with Chinese entities,
00:31:25.620
whether it's Hollywood, many of the films of which in the film studios are funded by Chinese money,
00:31:30.980
whether it's our academic institutions. So what we see in the media is sort of a microcosm of what we
00:31:35.860
see everywhere else, but the media is so zealous in its partisanship and hatred of Trump that it is
00:31:42.260
de facto taking the side of the Chinese Communist Party against the Trump administration in this.
00:31:47.380
But to your broader point about, well, is this just a reflection of the fact that our media,
00:31:51.780
which is leftist, always sides with the leftist adversaries of the United States? Yes,
00:31:56.580
that's certainly as well a part of it. You know, even in Canada, I know what you're talking about,
00:32:02.420
those inserts. I think they're called China Watch, which makes them feel like, oh, this is going to
00:32:07.540
be skeptical. I'm interested in a China Watch too, but it's actually published by the Chinese embassy
00:32:13.300
or the foreign ministry. In Canadian universities, we have Confucius Institutes, which are little
00:32:18.820
propaganda arms. And of course, it's just plain old cash. I saw a calculation that the University of
00:32:24.660
British Columbia, which has thousands of Chinese nationals, I think 6,000 Chinese nationals attend
00:32:32.900
that one Canadian university. They represent a quarter billion dollar a year revenue stream.
00:32:39.620
University president's job is pretty much one thing, raise money. And they're going to take
00:32:43.460
the side of Communist China every time. That doesn't even touch on money for research from Huawei and
00:32:48.340
whatnot. I think it's bad up here. I've seen it said that Canada is the worst in the world.
00:32:55.700
How is it in the States? I guess it's tough for you to compare because you probably don't follow
00:32:59.700
the Canadian side of things. Are all these establishments, have they all been corrupted
00:33:05.860
in America? Or are there still great institutions in America that are skeptical of Communist China?
00:33:11.780
Well, I hate to say that I think directionally, America is pointing the same way as China,
00:33:19.380
with the exception of the fact that this presidential administration, and indeed,
00:33:23.620
even much of the bureaucracy that has largely been hostile to the Trump administration,
00:33:28.500
has really taken a much firmer line on Communist China than ever before. It still goes in fits and
00:33:34.420
starts. There are still differentials between different parts of the bureaucracy in terms of just how
00:33:39.380
hawkish they are with respect to the Chinese Communist Party. But if you look at our civil society,
00:33:44.820
many of our lawmakers, and historically our political institutions, yes, the corruption of
00:33:50.180
China has been self-evident, quite frankly. And I think it points to something, really another failure
00:33:56.100
of the globalist elites. And this extends from the US to Canada, to Western Europe, and even Eastern
00:34:02.340
Europe in some cases and beyond. The notion post-Cold War that economic liberalization,
00:34:09.060
that is commercial relations between free nations and Communist China would lead Communist China towards
00:34:17.060
political and cultural liberalization, was and is a total farce. And the Trump administration's
00:34:22.260
national security strategy stated this flatly. Even more so than that, it actually went the other way.
00:34:28.740
Commercial relations with China ended up corrupting us. It compromised the West. And it has led us in
00:34:34.420
many cases to engage in all sorts of self-righteously suicidal policies that have built up Communist China
00:34:40.660
to the point where today it threatens the US as the most powerful nation in the world. And you see it acting,
00:34:47.780
lashing out in all sorts of ways that are sort of unprecedented, really, as the regime has
00:34:52.900
bite at its time and hit its capabilities as Dung suggested that it should do during the late 1980s.
00:34:59.540
Yeah. Yeah, I want to play a clip that comes to my mind based on what you said. I mean, obviously,
00:35:05.380
we know the NBA is very interested in China. Hollywood is very interested in China. And okay,
00:35:12.340
sports. I mean, it's a cultural icon. And sports heroes are public heroes. But okay, it's just basketball.
00:35:19.620
And with movies, it's a little bit irritating to have movies burglarized a little bit. But I want
00:35:24.980
to show you an interview that I found truly shocking. And I've watched this about five times.
00:35:30.020
I find it gripping. It's Michael Bloomberg, who, until a couple months ago, was a serious,
00:35:38.180
if long shot candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination. He's one of the richest men in the world.
00:35:44.340
I think he's worth more than $50 billion. He's not just in financial communications,
00:35:49.700
but he's as a general newswire, Bloomberg. He's a big deal. And because he personally and his company
00:35:56.820
has such ambitions in China, he said things that if they were said by an NBA player or a Hollywood actor,
00:36:04.660
we'd laugh and say, oh, you're such an idiot. Stick to acting. This is a man, former mayor,
00:36:09.460
Democratic president, like a serious, serious man of public policy. I think you probably know
00:36:15.380
the interview I'm talking to, where he says that China, no, no, no, it's actually a democracy. Here,
00:36:20.980
Xi Jinping is not a dictator. He has to satisfy his constituents, or he's not going to survive.
00:36:27.060
No, he has to. He has a constituency to answer to.
00:36:34.740
He doesn't have a vote. He doesn't have a democracy. He's not held accountable by voters.
00:36:39.860
That doesn't mean he can survive if his advisers gave him-
00:36:44.340
He's not going to have a revolution. No government survives without the will of the majority of its
00:36:49.620
people. Ben, I find that such a head-scratcher. I mean, he, I can understand someone saying that,
00:36:57.060
to a Chinese dictator, that's total fawning. But to say that with a straight face, I don't
00:37:01.940
know if he actually believes it, or if he's just so programmed to say it. But that, I think that's
00:37:07.220
exactly what you're talking about. We didn't make them more like us. They made us more like them.
00:37:14.420
Our so-called elites tow the Chinese Communist Party line, and there are myriad explanations for it.
00:37:21.060
But one of the biggest ones is certainly greed. And the basis of the opening to China,
00:37:26.740
if you go back, and I've been doing a lot of work on the history of this in connection with
00:37:29.620
the book that I'm working on. If you go back to the 70s, the start of relations, even before
00:37:35.060
Nixon's opening to China, there was already the easing of bilateral trade restrictions that had
00:37:41.860
existed. Trade and commerce has always been sort of the basis of it. So baked into the cake
00:37:47.380
was the notion of greed. This is an untapped mess of market that we need to exploit. But I think
00:37:52.900
going back to that Bloomberg clip, what it almost evidences is the fact that it views as if it's
00:37:59.860
someone giving a confession on Chinese state-run television. That is almost the level at which our
00:38:06.500
elites are willing to tow Chinese Communist propaganda effectively, basically to maintain the status quo and
00:38:13.620
continue this failed notion of engagement that has resulted in empowering a mortal adversary, a mortal
00:38:20.260
enemy that threatens all of our liberties in the West. And it's shameful. And the question that needs
00:38:26.180
to be posed to all of these people, many of whom among our elites claim to be proponents of progressive
00:38:31.620
policies and social justice warriors, in spite of the fact that China flouts all of the principles and
00:38:37.700
values that they act as if they speak for, the question that has to be asked is, is it and was it
00:38:45.220
was it worth it to sell out our short-term, to trade our short-term economic interest for long-term
00:38:52.980
national interest? Are we okay with that trade of effectively selling our soul for profits and
00:39:00.020
cheaper goods associated with China while China is winning the competition to be the top world power
00:39:06.340
and to control our lives ultimately? And I don't think they have a good answer for that, quite frankly,
00:39:11.220
but the question is very rarely posed. Yeah. You know, we had Gordon Chang on the show the other day and he told
00:39:16.420
me about the new Pew research study. I didn't know that they had updated that. And so last month, Pew surveyed
00:39:23.460
Americans again on China, asked a lot of very interesting questions. And I was very heartened to see
00:39:30.820
that grassroots Americans of both parties are pretty wise to China. In fact, I think the favorable, unfavorable
00:39:38.100
towards China, even for Democrats, going from memory, I think 62% of Democrats have an unfavorable
00:39:44.180
view of China. Under the Obama administration, it was sort of reversed. And under Obama, Americans
00:39:51.700
thought China was the world leader. So I see a lot of hope in, as Orwell would say, the hope lies with
00:39:58.420
the proles. Ordinary, severely normal people. And by the way, and I'm just going from memory,
00:40:05.140
the number one beef Americans have with China is pollution, which is interesting because you
00:40:11.620
never hear them criticize for global warming. Number two, cyber attacks. Number three and four,
00:40:17.620
jobs in the economy. So I mean, these are issues that the mainstream media, I think, doesn't emphasize.
00:40:24.980
So I find it incredibly encouraging that grassroots Americans, and I imagine Canada is similar,
00:40:31.140
if not the same, see through the Bloombergs and the NBAs and the Hollywood shills.
00:40:36.980
They see China for what it is. I think Trump is a big factor of that. I think ordinary Americans are
00:40:44.820
A hundred percent agree. And those polls, one of the data points that comes out is that nine
00:40:50.740
in 10 Americans, approximately nine in 10 Americans, view China as a threat. It just illustrates so
00:40:58.500
perfectly the chasm between the elites who think that they are in the mainstream and that their view
00:41:04.420
is the predominant view, are so out of touch with the people that they're supposedly representing.
00:41:10.980
The fact that Trump was elected, I think China was a big part of it. It wasn't a direct
00:41:15.940
point in that Americans didn't vote for Donald Trump on the basis of the China-specific policy. But in terms of
00:41:22.180
the idea of this is an adversarial nation that's taken advantage of us, that's hurt our nation's
00:41:28.820
interests in any number of ways, and all of these elites have been making deal after deal with them,
00:41:33.140
that's terrible for us. That was a core narrative that underpinned what he ran on and it resonated
00:41:39.220
with millions of Americans. I think Americans reflexively sort of understand or understood
00:41:45.460
the China threat, but it's been underscored perfectly in context of the coronavirus crisis.
00:41:50.980
And I just pray that our leadership, and this really has to be a global thing ultimately,
00:41:55.620
but America as the leading world power in the sort of anti-Chinese Communist Party bloc,
00:42:01.460
I pray that they look to these polls and that that hardens our policymakers in devising policies that are
00:42:08.180
going to be difficult to implement and require coordination and doing things that might hurt us in the short
00:42:13.380
term to take on and confront this CCP that is a menace to the world. And as we see presently,
00:42:20.340
really threatens to effectively subsume Hong Kong ahead of schedule, threatens Taiwan, does all sorts of
00:42:26.340
menacing things. Australia, for example, they've threatened to use economic coercion against Australia.
00:42:31.140
To me, Australia is actually the canary in the coal mine for the Anglosphere in terms of what happens
00:42:35.940
if you get too close to the Chinese Communist Party. And so I hope that our leadership in the West
00:42:41.380
looks to these polls and uses them to get behind a slew of policies that deal with this massive
00:42:48.020
generational problem. I think it's at least a generational problem. It's probably multi-generational,
00:42:53.300
quite frankly. It took a generation to get into the problem. It'll probably take a generation to get
00:42:57.140
out. You're very correct to point to Australia. They're further down the road than us. You know,
00:43:01.940
I was thinking we're talking about cultural elites. And I remember about 15 years ago, I mean,
00:43:07.140
I'm in Toronto now, but I had passes to the Toronto International Film Festival, which is sort of a big
00:43:12.660
deal in this town amongst the fancy pants set. And I sort of liked it because you could go see a movie
00:43:17.940
before it was out and you could have a meet and greet with the stars. It was very exciting for me
00:43:22.260
as Simple Boy from the Prairies. And I happened to go when all the anti-war, anti-American Iraq-themed
00:43:30.820
movies were coming out. And they were all terrible. And by the way, they all did terrible at the box
00:43:37.300
office. I'm not saying that the war itself ought to be praised, but they were, they all felt so
00:43:42.900
anti-American. And there was, there was a dozen of them. I remember seeing the Valley of Elah,
00:43:49.940
which did, was a huge box office flop. And in the midst of this, a movie called 300,
00:43:56.180
if you recall about Sparta, became a shocking surprise hit. Obviously it was a historical movie,
00:44:02.820
but I think it was the first thing that sort of praised being patriotic and defensive. And then
00:44:07.840
a few years later, Clint Eastwood's American Sniper, again, a huge hit. And it makes me think
00:44:15.820
Hollywood, they don't dare lay a finger on China because they're worried they'll lose box,
00:44:22.100
they won't be allowed to show the movie in China. And so, but if someone came along and did an
00:44:29.820
American sniper, did a movie that wasn't a caricature, but that was patriotic and that was
00:44:35.300
touched the heartstrings on some of these issues, I think Americans would rally to it. And I don't
00:44:42.000
know, forgive me for this tangent, but I remember a time when all of American opinion elites seemed to
00:44:48.780
be anti-American to get out George Bush. I feel like it's a repeat now, but it's with China. I
00:44:54.860
don't know what you make of that analogy, but it just sort of struck me listening to what you were
00:44:58.180
saying. I think it's certainly an apt analogy. I'm not sure as much hatred as there was of George W.
00:45:05.520
Bush. The difference with Trump is that he really threatens the gravy train. He really threatens the
00:45:12.240
establishment in a way that no Republican president, save for Reagan really, in any of the immediate
00:45:18.420
decades before him, can even come close to. And so, and the fact that he fights back the way that
00:45:23.980
he does makes them hate him to an even greater extent. George W. Bush would never punch back the
00:45:28.720
way that Donald Trump has punched back. He would never upset the apple cart in terms of taking on
00:45:33.940
the bureaucracy, the national security and foreign policy establishment in the way Trump has. So the
00:45:38.720
hatred is something that is even beyond the way it's ever been. What is maybe new to some extent is
00:45:44.180
just how much our media really colludes with the bureaucracy, the permanent administrative state
00:45:50.380
that exists here. But going back to your tangent about the media and cultural part of this,
00:45:55.280
it is worth noting there's one series, I believe, on television, on Amazon Prime.
00:46:00.520
It's called Bosch. And I believe Michael Auslin wrote a great article about this several months back
00:46:06.200
in National Review, where he talked about the fact that Bosch sort of portrays Chinese Communist
00:46:11.160
Party-associated figures negatively. And it's an Amazon Prime series. And you wonder, huh,
00:46:15.860
why is it that Amazon would run this series? Well, the answer is China doesn't give Amazon access to
00:46:20.540
its marketplace. Same thing, there's a documentary, One Child Nation, that I saw actually at the Tribeca
00:46:26.440
Film Festival, which I imagine is sort of analogous to the Toronto Film Festival that you mentioned that
00:46:31.520
showed the horrors of the One Child policy. That got great reviews and a pretty big viewing in the
00:46:36.960
United States as well. The more things that accurately portray the nature of the Chinese
00:46:41.860
Communist Party, the better. I think that truth is the biggest weapon that can be wielded against the
00:46:48.000
Chinese Communist Party, just like the Soviet Union would not brook any dissent either. And by the way,
00:46:54.140
to overcome the Soviet Union, a massive part of the Western effort in general and the U.S. effort in
00:46:59.360
particular, was flooding the zone with truth, with counterpropaganda in the best sense of the term,
00:47:06.840
not in the pejorative sense of the term. We're starting to do that in the U.S. with respect to
00:47:11.180
the Chinese Communist Party, including our deputy national security advisor, delivering two recent
00:47:16.200
speeches in Mandarin, one directed at the Chinese people in a pro-democracy speech and another directed
00:47:22.380
at Taiwan that was very complimentary of their recent elections and inauguration as well. I think you're
00:47:28.240
going to see more of that and I think it's imperative because that information war that China has started
00:47:33.860
to wage against us, we need to be engaged in that battle because, again, ideas ultimately really are
00:47:39.620
quite powerful in this competition that we're in. Well, that is very interesting and thank you for
00:47:44.920
telling me that I'm going to look up those Mandarin speeches. I'm sure I could find them quickly and
00:47:49.780
maybe we'll do a show built around them. I got one last question. Be very generous with your time,
00:47:53.600
Ben. Thank you. And I know we didn't dig into your article a lot, but I've had this question about
00:47:58.580
the media because in Canada, the media has lost all its pride as it's lost its economics. And so in
00:48:05.340
our country, besides the CBC, our state broadcaster, which is larger than all other news media combined,
00:48:12.640
by the way, so it takes $1.5 billion a year from Trudeau, which proportionally would be like $15
00:48:20.720
billion in America because you're 10 times our size. But now all the newspapers are on a $600 million
00:48:27.460
newspaper bailout. Again, that would be like $6 billion just for the printing press papers in America.
00:48:33.920
So they're sold out. They've sold out ideologically. They're now all beholden to Trudeau, but they're
00:48:42.720
still failing. Which brings me to this question. Who owns newspapers? Well, Carlos Slim owns the New York
00:48:50.860
Times and Jeff Bezos that you mentioned on the Washington Post. They're collectibles now for
00:48:55.800
billionaires who maybe they'll make money off it, but more likely they just want to seat at the table
00:49:01.280
in a national or international discussion. And newspapers are trading at historic lows in the stock
00:49:07.800
market. If it were to be bought that way or private deals or through shell corporations,
00:49:13.040
I can't believe that a major newspaper is not yet bought, even if it's through various
00:49:20.800
cutouts by China. They have all the money. They've got the foreign currency. Are you worried that it will
00:49:28.960
happen or do you think it has happened that Chinese money is saying, well, let's buy up these all too
00:49:35.960
willing journalists because they're for sale of bargain prices. Is that too paranoid on my part?
00:49:43.540
No, if anything, it's probably not paranoid enough in my view. Look, I think, first of all,
00:49:49.700
we've seen the Department of Justice and members of Congress as well have been pushing on this
00:49:54.760
in the U.S. start focusing on the Foreign Agent Registration Act, FARA, to start designate Chinese
00:50:03.200
media companies that exist in the U.S. and force them to register as foreign agents because they
00:50:09.560
are propaganda agents. Of course, FARA has also been abused in other contexts, so I'm not wholly
00:50:14.520
sanguine on that sort of tactic. All that said, China probably views itself as already holding the
00:50:22.780
cards to some extent when it comes to U.S. media, given that they have basically premised,
00:50:29.020
conditioned access to mainland China on not running to a foul of what the Chinese Communist Party wants
00:50:37.260
you to print. They've gotten papers to bend over backwards to meet the kind of strictures
00:50:43.280
that China has implemented. And of course, now it does appear that they're starting to
00:50:47.240
kick U.S. journalists out and we're starting to kick their propagandists out of the U.S. as well.
00:50:53.240
But I think absolutely, they'll look to take any advantage they possibly can to engage in the
00:50:57.640
information side. The more it can look like they are not the ones in control of it, the better.
00:51:03.300
So I think to your point, whether it's shell corporations or other cutouts, they're going
00:51:06.740
to look to do everything they can to compromise us. But even better from their perspective is
00:51:10.880
Americans who on the surface don't look like they could be bought and paid for de facto, if not
00:51:16.200
de jure agents of the Chinese Communist Party, spouting their propaganda. That is the best thing money can
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buy if they don't even need to spend any money on it. Because, for example, there's such great hatred
00:51:26.640
of our president. And there's a mutual feeling between our media and the CCP that he poses a
00:51:32.920
threat to the CCP's minds. Then that's even better. So I think today the media is sort of doing the job
00:51:38.140
for them. At a future time, I absolutely believe they will try to do everything they can to engage
00:51:44.440
in those sorts of transactions. And there are laws on the books that allows the U.S., for example,
00:51:49.180
to defend itself against them. That's not the case in every country around the world. But it really
00:51:53.780
ought to be because, again, information and ideas are such a critical part of what the CCP is engaged
00:51:59.420
in that we need to look at blocking every avenue they take to trying to corrupt our institutions
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and propagandizing and influencing public sentiments so that ultimately they do triumph in this war of
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ideas that one side has been engaged in to this point. Finally, it seems like we're stepping up to
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You know, just listening to you, I'm convinced that there's no need to buy a newspaper.
00:52:19.480
Why would you bother buying a newspaper when you own the Internet forums? Literally today I was
00:52:24.920
reading a story from 2015 when Mark Zuckerberg, the boss of Facebook, met Xi Jinping. And I know you
00:52:34.260
won't believe this without seeing it, so we'll put the headline up on the screen here. Mark Zuckerberg
00:52:39.500
went to Xi Jinping and said, we're expecting a baby. We would like you to do us the honor of naming
00:52:46.540
our baby. That is so stunning. He, of course, boasted about speaking, learning Mandarin just to speak to
00:52:54.700
him. You don't need to buy some printing press, some oily ink-stained printing press, when you've got
00:53:01.680
Mark Zuckerberg begging a tyrant to name his child. Why would you waste any money when you have, as
00:53:10.060
Lenin would say, a useful idiot? Last word to you.
00:53:13.980
Yeah, just to add on to that, look, our social media companies censor patriotic Americans,
00:53:21.020
patriotic Canadians, patriotic anyone in the Western world who's pro-Western. Anyone who dares
00:53:26.880
challenge the WHO, for example, gets censored. And meanwhile, these Chinese propagandists and many
00:53:33.420
other propagandists on behalf of other regimes as well get to act with total impunity in social media.
00:53:38.880
And I think that really says it all. It's more than disturbing. It really poses an existential
00:53:44.180
threat to our way of life. And that's why it's so critical to keep exposing it.
00:53:48.820
Ben Weingarten of the Federalist, what a pleasure to catch up with you. Thanks for giving us so much
00:53:52.840
of your time. Always an education. Keep it up. Great to see you.
00:53:56.980
Appreciate it. It's always a pleasure on my end, Ezra.
00:53:58.800
All right. Thanks very much. Well, there you have it. Stay with us. More ahead on The Rebel.
00:54:08.880
Hey, welcome back. On my monologue yesterday about two new opinion polls on China, Doug writes,
00:54:17.640
China is out to conquer the world. This is their ultimate goal. They will do it any way they can.
00:54:23.420
I think you're right. And the way that terrifies me the most is economically, because that undermines
00:54:30.240
our core as Western free market capitalists. I mean, when you have the Michael Bloomberg's of the
00:54:37.600
world making the case for China, it's much more persuasive than having some Chinese ambassador do
00:54:43.220
it. And the reason Michael Bloomberg's saying that is not because deep in his heart of hearts,
00:54:48.060
he's a fascist authoritarian, although maybe actually he is. It's because he's got his entire
00:54:54.060
wealth tied up in China. So he's making mental acrobatics to make it work. Same thing with the NBA.
00:54:58.780
The NBA is not naturally a pro-China organization. It's just following the money. That's what scares
00:55:05.560
me. And that's why Trump is so right when he says, bring the factories back, put on the tariffs,
00:55:11.040
take away the economic incentives. Anyways, I thought the whole thing was interesting.
00:55:16.500
Anna writes, it's not the ethnicity that people are upset about. It's their politics. It's communism.
00:55:21.200
Same as when Russia was the USSR. Exactly. And I don't know if you remember my show a few weeks ago
00:55:26.880
when the CBC went after the Falun Gong-based Epoch Times newspaper. They're ethnic Chinese who were
00:55:35.080
democracy activists tortured by China. Like China, actually, I won't get into it. It's too gross.
00:55:40.940
I'll just say this. They, well, I won't say it. You know, organ harvesting. It's a thing. Google it.
00:55:47.580
So to call the Epoch Times anti-Chinese or racist or inflammatory, as the CBC did, is such a lie.
00:55:55.520
They are ethnic Chinese. But the CBC is using Communist Party language to smear opponents.
00:56:01.280
On my interview with Jim Carajalio, Sandy writes, you besmirched Jim again. He would be an excellent
00:56:08.720
PM. He has integrity. You, you should apologize to Jim. We are very disappointed in your response
00:56:13.880
to the letter writer. Oh my goodness. I'm in trouble again. Well, listen, I like Jim. How many times do I
00:56:21.260
have to say it? Listen, you know I like him. I've had him on, what, four times now in the past? In fact,
00:56:26.560
today at 12 noon, Jim was on my live call-in show. It's called a super chat. People can type comments
00:56:35.420
live and I read them and I put the questions to Jim. So I think Jim's got a thicker skin for himself
00:56:40.520
than you have for him because he came back on my show today. He was on the show for half an hour
00:56:44.660
and we put questions to him. I like Jim. That doesn't mean I'm going to say I believe he can win
00:56:52.000
if I don't think he can win. And I'm not saying that's a good thing that he can't win. I'm just saying
00:56:55.660
politics is a very tough and serious business at that level. And if you want to be the leader of
00:57:00.220
a party, you need to have certain assets and networks and resources and allies. And if you
00:57:06.780
want to be the prime minister, you've got to be the best of the best. If you're going to try and
00:57:11.000
unseat Justin Trudeau with the media party in his corner. I like Jim Carahalius. It doesn't mean
00:57:16.800
I'm going to say I think he can totally knock off Justin Trudeau. I wouldn't say that to you if I
00:57:22.720
don't believe it. That's not me being mean to Jim. Anyways, he doesn't agree with you because
00:57:27.900
he came on my show again today and he didn't seem like his feelings were hurt. Anyways, that's a
00:57:32.800
strange note to end on, but we will end it there. I hope you enjoyed our works this week. And until
00:57:37.920
next week, keep watching our YouTube videos and, you know, keep fighting for freedom. We got to.
00:57:44.400
The battle's here in Canada now too with this whole pandemic overreaction. All right. Good night,