Kids sue Canadian government over climate change (GUEST： Michelle Sterling)
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15 itty-bitty little human shields are suing the federal government in federal court over climate change. Joining me tonight is Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science to explain what the real story behind the lawsuit is, and why it's so vexing.
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What's the real story behind the kids who are suing the federal government because of
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climate change? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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15 itty-bitty little human shields are suing the federal government in federal court. Here's the
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headline from the CBC. Actually, it's from the abhorrent CBC Kids website. 15 young Canadians
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suing the government over climate change. Now let's dig down deeper in this mildly exploitative article.
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At the heart of the lawsuit is the idea that the government's role in the climate crisis
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violates their fundamental rights. The youth ages 10 to 19 will attempt to argue in court that they
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suffered specific individualized injuries as a result of climate change, said Chris Tollefson,
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one of the lawyers representing the group. The kids did this with the help of an organization
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based in the United States called Our Children's Trust, a foreign environmental charity that makes
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these sorts of lawsuits a habit of theirs all across the world. Now my guest tonight has examined
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the role of David Suzuki and other prominent Canadian environmentalists in this foreign-motivated
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vexatious lawsuit. Joining me tonight in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon
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is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.
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Joining me now from her home in Calgary is Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science and
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the election was all anybody could talk about but right in the middle of the last week of the election
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campaign was a visit from Greta Thunberg and we'll get to her in a minute but in the wake of the
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Greta Thunberg visit to Canada there's a lawsuit from a group of children because you know that's
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that's what children do they just run to the law courts all the time and they want to sue governments
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for the effects of climate change. Michelle please explain this madness to me. Well I can't explain
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every detail of it but it's very interesting to note that this is a co-plaintiff is David Suzuki
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Foundation and the constitutional aspect of the case is based on the fact that there's an inequity in
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the law and that they're children and they can't vote and also when you look at the list of
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signatories many of the people involved are their parents are very strong climate activists in Calgary of
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course Dr. Joe Vipond and his daughter are named on that suit as plaintiffs and he brought us coal phase
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out and that has resulted in billions of dollars of costs to Albertans and now we get to have the
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federal government go to court and pay maybe millions of dollars more in this suit. So these are expensive
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people and really you know when when you look at the claims made by some of the children in the case
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and I'm sure that they do feel these emotional aspects but I think back to my mother growing up in
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the prairies and as a pioneer you know my grandfather was breaking land out by Hannah and her childhood was
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stolen because her mother died when she was about eight years old from complications after the birth of
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my mother's brother and why because she had gone out to get the milk cow from going into the garden which
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for a prairie farmer was a very important source of food and that caused her to hemorrhage so my mother
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had to leave home at age 13 and was shipped off to England all by herself on a boat to take care of
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her grandmother for the rest of her youth so you know when I read the stories these children are
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reciting as something critical to their health I think well how did those earlier generations ever survive
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I don't think climate change is a big deal yeah you know you put it in such a beautiful context
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there this is truly a first world problem and these are rich people's very privileged children
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these aren't you know struggling inner city kids who are are dealing with real problems with inequity
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real problems caused by poverty by lack of jobs by you know fathers not being in the home like real
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real problems that affect and and and and hinder kids um their opportunity for prosperity and growth
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for generations this is not not what we're talking about these are some of the most influential people
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in the country they're very privileged kids who are just being human shields in the court of law
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for their parents agendas um and of course david suzuki's hands are right in the middle of it
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right and the suzuki foundation you know it was interesting to see david suzuki speaking to
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the crowd of children at the vancouver climate strike and saying you know and here's greta all by herself
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you know who only a year ago started this well um you know we uh now have a video out about the
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backers of the greta thunberg movement it's an organization out of sweden we got their ipo their
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prospectus and they're selling basically social engineering um social media and carbon offsets and
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they have a vast international network of people pushing this whole climate strike thing fridays
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for future and that's why it's spiraled so quickly it's not because greta's an inspirational young
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woman it's because there's a huge network behind her and um that network is pushing things like
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carbon offsets and so here's david suzuki saying well you know those greedy corporations are trying to
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take over the world and we want to stop them and greta's a symbol of that well he's funded by power
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corporation and has been his uh sorry his foundation is funded by power corporation and has been since
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2007. i don't know for how much but you know if you want to talk about big corporations power corporation
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was in 2017 the 358th largest corporation in the world according to forbes and so you know what
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what what game is being played here these children are being gaslit for commercial interests in carbon
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offsets carbon trading and renewables yeah i i've always gotten the sense that greta was just a
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marketing campaign and really that's what she is she's the marketing campaign the tv commercial for
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this big carbon offset trading company and yet the likes of david suzuki they're lecturing us about big oil
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well i'm more worried about big carbon offsets because um i need oil to survive but i certainly
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don't see the effects of paying for carbon offsets to satiate my first world guilt right well you know
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carbon uh trading markets are described by mark shapiro in the harper's magazine in february 2010
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as um the lack of delivery of an invisible substance to know that's what you're paying for you know so
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interestingly enough in calgary calgary supposedly 100 renewable now so that means that we're
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paying for offsets and yet calgary has very significant financial problems right now who are
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we enriching and why you know that that's a great point when these cities again pat themselves on the
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back and brag to the world that they have gone 100 renewable or all their buses are running on green energy
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that's not the case the buses are not hooked up to the electrical grid they are taking taxpayer
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dollars and giving it to a carbon trading company yes um just so that they can uh pretend that they
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have gone 100 renewable when really that's not the case right and anyone can go on the alford electric
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system operator market demand and supply site any time of the day and i did that earlier this morning and
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i saw that um we had about 5 000 megawatts being generated from natural gas two or three thousand
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from coal 300 maybe from wind we were importing a fairly significant significant amount i think 700
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megawatts from uh 200 from bc hydro and the rest from montana coal so you know now sending money out
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of the province to buy power that we used to make ourselves here and um
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you know we're certainly not running on wind or solar so yeah yeah i think a lot of people don't
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realize we have decided to abandon and we i don't mean you and i i mean the government collectively on
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our behalf um has abandoned to or has decided to abandon about 800 years of some of the cleanest burning coal
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on the face of the earth in the interest of pretending to be green so that that we can then
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import coal fired electricity from montana yeah or saskatchewan but today it wasn't saskatchewan today
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it was montana yeah it's uh it's pretty depressing and uh really just a boondoggle on taxpayers and
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consumers and citizens and certainly these poor kids i mean these kids going back to this climate
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strike and such like they're being scared to death and one of the things that we also found this
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week is there's a group called the three percent that has infiltrated almost every school in canada
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and it's unbelievable they go in there they scare the pants off the kids they tell them to become
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activists go go go that's probably part of the source of this child's lawsuit but um there's this uh
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group called our time and just yesterday they were thrown out of the house of commons in ottawa because
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they entered i believe as visitors and then began some kind of um protest there but they're being
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driven by this three percent organization which of course is connected to climate reality and who is
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climate reality it's al gore and what has al gore done for canada he's been cheerleading the block
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blockadia of kinder morgan transmountain pipeline and every other pipeline since uh since we began
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trying to get them through so like what's the big deal here why are we having our politicians welcoming
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greta to canada when she actually represents a group that's associated with mr gore and his blockadia
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efforts in canada you know i was just thinking as you were talking about al gore and i was thinking
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about the foreign money that flows into canada in the um lead up to any election anywhere really um
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does friends of science register as a third party advertiser before you put up a billboard
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do you guys have to do that well only during an election period yeah so you know greta can come
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to the country and she's a marketing campaign for these carbon trading companies and yet never uh
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there's no cries about her having to register as a third party advertiser or the people behind her
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having to register as a third party advertiser um when the money is coming from out of country and yet
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somebody like friends of science you folks have to register as a third party advertiser
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to put up a billboard in your own country expressing a political opinion and nobody sees a problem with
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any of this right well you know with uh with greta and again i'm not denouncing the child
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no of course not that she actually probably believes everything that she says and does
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um but the movement behind her uh you know as we just did a video about it where we also show that
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one of the people on the board of the foundation associated with the um we don't have time movement
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is a canadian kathy orlando she's with citizens climate lobby they've been one of the most effective
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lobbyists according to their website for uh carbon um fee and dividend you know the the carbon dividend
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the rebate so you know that actually directly ties everything to canada and in in fact you know there's
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a new method of advertising in the digital world called native advertising where um basically it's
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the form of sort of placing an advertorial you know an editorial light column that moves around through
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social media on different platforms so people are exposed to it in different ways
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and i would say that in a stroke of brilliance greta thunberg is actually a walking native
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advertisement and um just it's brilliant but it's also frightening because again all these children
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are scared to death and why because people want to get rich on carbon offsets yeah i mean these people
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are getting rich while kids are getting anxiety disorders um now speaking about law fair um and and just to tie
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everything back to david suzuki using children as a friend for his lawsuit you guys have actually two
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rebuttals and video about uh 28 law professors who are demanding climate accountability laws and you
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called them ungrateful and i thought it was excellent yeah they are ungrateful these five of these
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law professors are from the university of calgary canada's energy university and uh every university in
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canada i would say without exception has been funded in some way shape or form by big oil big gas big mining
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but certainly calgary's university has been funded a lot by big oil small oil supply chain to oil and um
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what a bunch of ingrates really uh they have no idea uh what energy delivers conventional energy delivers to
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our world and they're proposing that cities could uh go out and just uh sue big oil and you know get some
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money because uh climate change you know we had a flood so uh that's your fault big oil mind you we used
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all the oil but it's your fault for selling it to us so you know these are absurd notions and dangerous
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um these are legally authorized companies uh they're providing an essential service this is why they're
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so highly regulated because um you know you don't want big oil to one day say well you know what we're
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going to jack up the price of our product 3000 and see what happens to you guys so they're very regulated
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on many different levels supply delivery uh quality um emissions price uh so these guys are now proposing
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that these highly regulated and compliant organizations should be sued for giving us the things that give us
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everything of modern life we would not survive a week without a consistent supply of of oil gas coal
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um and related products to our homes we'd all be dead it'd be a zombie apocalypse so how how energy
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illiterate are these people why are they doing this is it just ambulance chasing i'm just uh trying to
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cash in on the climate change hysteria thing it's uh and and think of that that would be bad for
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taxpayers what would we get to do we'd get to pay the lawyers and we'd have to pay the other side because
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the companies would of course tack on their costs to the product they deliver to us it's insane
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yeah it seems as though there's no no foresight here and you you make a good point so the company
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sells you something that you want and then you use it and then you turn around and sue the company
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because you don't like the ill effects or the alleged ill effects of your own bad behavior it's crazy
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well they're trying to use the tobacco analogy and the tobacco analogy is completely false
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you know uh back in the 1600s king james the first wrote uh what did he call it the counter
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blast against tobacco and he's he noted how tobacco was bad for your health and he didn't want it anywhere
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near him so it didn't take uh lawsuits to figure out that tobacco was bad for your health
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uh but um fossil fuels have been good for our health you know just 100 150 years ago people died
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at age 40 if you live to age this is why the pension was set at age 65 because most people didn't
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live very long after that well now people live into their 90s into the hundreds and often in very good
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health why because we can do knee replacements we can do heart surgery we can remove tumors from lungs and
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brains and heaven knows where thanks to fossil fuels you don't have modern medicine without them
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so you know what are what are they talking about it's a crazy analogy uh speaking of environmentalist
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wingnuts i think this is a good segue into steven gilbo or gilbo honestly i i don't know how to say his
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last name and uh i think i'm probably not learning just for spite um he's a radical environmentalist um
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and he's a new uh liberal mp and i've heard musings that he could be the new environment minister if
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katherine mckenna is shuffled out and somehow somehow the liberals are musing uh about putting someone even
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more radical than katherine mckenna in the position of environment minister that's going to do nothing
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for canadian unity i'll tell you that much well you know the challenge with him is that um he and
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marlo reynolds formerly of pembina institute wrote um the press uh release or op-ed in um 2008 i believe it
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was that the tar sands are tarnishing canada's reputation and that was the first time that i know
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of that dirty oil appeared in print so he was uh with greenpeace for a long time then with equiter
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in montreal and although people like to think that the tar sands campaign was only perpetrated against
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alberta it's actually been perpetrated against all of canada and it began a long time ago in quebec
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and uh you know about 11 million dollars that i can account for was dumped into quebec to
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mostly to the global climate change action fund which i i read yesterday in an article by cory
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morgan star morning star that that the gcca was formed by greenpeace and world wild fund
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so um the gcca claims to have 470 organizations around the world non-profits in 70 countries that
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oppose the use of fossil fuels so if you want to know why we couldn't get energy east built you can
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start there then of course uh you know he was associated with equiter and they were very active in
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montreal um and uh more recently uh stephen gilbo has been the um climate action advisor of uh he and a
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lady from vancouver vancity formerly with vancity trust i believe um anyway they were the ones who
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implemented the new ev policy for which we don't have enough power generation in canada to meet their
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targets so that means we'd have to build billions of dollars of power generation plants and trillions
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of dollars of transmission lines just so people could drive evs that can't drive farther than from
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here to red deer without a charge so these are like i said earlier they're very expensive people
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they're costing us a lot of money and the benefits are not clear and yeah and there's not enough
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electrical vehicles in the country yeah for the for any of this to matter anyway um you and i were
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talking off air about how at least in alberta you can go on the government registries um website and
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they publish the data about the you know the types of cars types of trucks um types of registration and
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you know it's a couple of years ago it was under 500 fully electric vehicles in alberta and i guarantee
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you most of those were bought by the ndp government and so you know they they want to put in this big
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huge massive nationwide electric grid um to uh to uh really uh prop up this sort of uh hobby hobby of
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rich people that's what i think about when i think about electric cars i think it's just a hobby for rich
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people the same way i like to ride dirt bikes you know what i mean yeah well you know it by pushing
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the sense of climate catastrophe and that we have to get rid of these uh ice vehicles internal combustion
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engine vehicles then um they're trying to create a new market for all of the institutional investors
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because those institutional investors would be invested in those transmission lines and the power
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plants that they're not talking about right now and if they make it illegal to drive a conventional
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vehicle then you'll have to buy one of these and boy you know look what happened in france when they
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tried to do that they still have thousands of people in the street in their yellow vests people who said
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hey you told me a few years ago i should buy a diesel so that i would save money and do the right thing
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for the environment now you're telling me i have to dump my diesel and buy an electric vehicle i can't
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afford it i can't afford your carbon taxes you know the people just simply cannot keep paying this money
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and if you are a true environmentalist why would you throw away a perfectly good working vehicle
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when it probably has 20 or 30 more years on the road yeah i mean it's the same thing as
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environmentalists throwing out their old fridges and putting their old fridges and landfills um
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because they want something more efficient and then they you know smile and tell everybody how green
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they are in the meantime all all their old appliances are filling up the landfill um i wanted to
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ask you about um another organization similar to yours that's doing great work grassroots alberta
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and uh go ahead oh well i was just gonna say yeah they have a great campaign running right now on
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their website uh it's called um isn't it time we had a responsible conversation on climate
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and they have lots of information there as well and i think that's a good question you know because
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i think everyone has concerns about climate or the environment um but let's have a responsible
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conversation about that let's not be hysterical let's sit down and look at the facts and see
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if there really is a climate emergency you know that i mentioned a while ago and i did that video
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a while ago that there are 500 scientists who signed a petition that there is no climate emergency there's
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now another two or three hundred who have signed on to that petition and it just continues to grow
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so um you know these are very qualified scholars who are standing up and saying this is not appropriate
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we should not be scaring the public there's no emergency we have time to implement new solutions
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regarding emissions or whatever concerns we have but we should not be rushing into this and not scaring
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people so it's a growing petition and i think grassroots alberta you know which independently
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came up with their own campaign is asking the right questions and people should go on their website
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and read their material it's very good yeah and i know some of the people behind grassroots alberta are
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farmers and generational farmers who've worked the same land for generations so i think they're attuned
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to the climate and and the environmental changes around them and so when they are posing these
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questions as opposed to people who could go their whole day without ever putting their foot on some
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grass um you know i think that it's important to listen to people who are you know on the land and
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whose livelihoods depend on the weather every day um i last thing i wanted to ask you about
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is the freedom talk conference um you're going to be speaking at that um let us have it
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uh well freedom talk is coming up the weekend of the uh i think i'm booking in on the 15th the 16th
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17th and red deer at uh the cambridge uh conference center and it's a great lineup of speakers and my
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particular um talk will be on foreign fingers in the pie excuse me foreign fingers in the pie where
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we'll be looking at some of the um interlopers who have changed climate and energy policies in canada
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for the worse um uh danny hozak is behind it of course and john robson and uh one of the great
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things is that they're also looking for solutions because the focus of the conference is really
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kind of should we stay or should we go it's about confederation it's about the angst and anger that
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there is in western canada what can we do about it where did it come from what's driving it and
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what are possible ways of working some of these things out so you know you probably have some
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people who are let's get out of here some people who are let's stay and fix it and other people who
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are well how can we massage these kinds of arrangements that we have and improve them so i
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i think it'll be a great conference so um book it yeah i think it's at freedom talk dot ca i'm i'm
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pretty sure danny still has some tickets available but i do think it's interesting um and i think you
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might be the first person who is sort of pointing this out the role foreign funded radical environmentalists
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meddling in canadian political politics the role that's played in cracking this country right apart
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right now yes of course they these foreign interlopers looked at the map of canada and
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they saw a few very simple things first of all we only have two major ports to speak of uh vancouver
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and montreal for a while right i mean there's some also on the east coast but you know that's a step
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further than we would need to go for a pipeline so that end of the country is already taken up and
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already had this bizarre thing in place called the nop the national oil pipeline policy from the 50s
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where there was an agreement that alberta oil would not go beyond lakehead because there was a mr levy
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who came from the states and said we want to use the montreal port and everyone okay so that was an
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existing thing but these guys looked at the map and said hey all we have to do to get out on canada
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particularly alberta off the map is just block these ports block access to ports so they did
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that then they said wow look there's 600 um indigenous first nations in canada and many of
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them have been poorly treated and most of them have and uh so let's just go and exacerbate that so they
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did that and then they said um you know actually bc is so beautiful and green let's make sure that the
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people in bc protect that natural supernatural country meanwhile there's a port there is the
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world's largest ferry system there's a one of the biggest airports in canada cruise ships
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cruise ships coming and going like are you kidding me but but it worked and you know then they fomented
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this hatred toward canada and toward um oil i was just going through some forest ethics annual reports
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last night and it's unbelievable the uh demarketing campaign that they ran against canada for years
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and uh very uh you know just going to companies that might buy product from canada and saying if you
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buy product from canadian tar sands we're going to smear your name all over the world so they go okay
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we're not buying anything from them like i think that's extortion but i'm not a lawyer but anyway
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so you know they created hatred from bc hatred from quebec um hatred within alberta uh and the
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alberta narratives project i would say is one that uh is the most insidious and i did a video about that
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last year and we did a couple of items on the blog about it uh where they brought climate george marshall
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from the uk this is the ndp paid paid uh eco i think it was alberta ecotrust they funded them and
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then those guys paid for him to come here and try and tell alberta oil and gas workers that your future
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is glum because oil and gas will not be required anymore meanwhile you know it's booming out there in
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the rest of the world so uh this guy was a lifelong anti-oil activist used to be part of uh rising tide
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which is a direct action group so he comes here as some kind of missionary preacher to tell us what
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to do with our resources and i say get back on your plane actually walk walk yeah yeah with your carbon
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offset certificates in your back pocket it's uh it's so fascinating you know as suicides were skyrocketing
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in alberta we had this foreign funded activist coming to tell our men our embattled male workforce
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that there's no hope for you it's just disgusting oh it's really sick and this is the same kind of
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thing they're doing to these kids now yeah they're um i just read a paper i can send it to you i can't
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remember the author but they did um they did a research paper showing people scary things scary images of
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climate and saying you know if you see this image does it make you want to do something constructive
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or does it make you want to die and most people said they want to die so that's what they're doing to
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our kids this is a crime against humanity it's criminal what they're doing child abuse it is it's
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it's brainwashing like i i joke about that they're trying to brainwash our kids in school i'm sort of
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joking but really on some level it is absolutely actually true michelle you've been very generous
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with your time i think we're coming up on a half an hour um why don't you let us know how we can
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support the work that you're doing because i think you're doing important work educational work and
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really work that isn't being done anywhere else by anyone else you're injecting facts into this
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very hyper emotional conversation about climate change well thank you thank you um you can uh see
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our work on our website friendsofscience.org uh we have a blog we have a very active youtube channel
00:34:40.900
twitter feed friends oh science uh our facebook page um you can also look at our plain language
00:34:48.980
bilingual website which is called climate change 101.ca and um you know we're happy to accept new
00:34:57.380
members and donations and um we work on a very limited budget with lots of volunteers nominal uh
00:35:05.540
subcontractor services people like myself and we don't represent any industry uh we may you know no one
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directs us from outside and says you guys should do this we make our own decisions about what we do
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and we try to represent topics and interests that we feel are important to the general public
00:35:23.140
and uh certainly we are completely opposed to scaremongering of children this is criminal
00:35:31.060
michelle thanks so much um i'm going to try to make it to the freedom talk conference if just to
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hear your talk but it looks like there's a great lineup of speakers including my friend prem singh
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um so we'll see you then and i hope that the conference sells out thank you thanks very much
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sheila and keep up the good work i will thank you you too okay
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frightening little children into thinking that the end of the world is nigh just to push a pro-carbon
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tax anti-development agenda is frankly evil however it's the sort of thing the cbc has given a platform
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to david suzuki to do for the last several decades now if you want to find out more about david suzuki's
00:36:21.300
long history of hypocrisy political meddling and flat-out weirdness i'm recommending that you check out
00:36:27.540
my book i wrote it a couple of years ago it's called the case against david suzuki the unauthorized
00:36:34.100
biography and you can get your copy today at suzuki book dot com well everybody that's the show for
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tonight thank you so much for tuning in i'll see everybody as always back here in the same time
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in the same place next week and remember don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to