Learning to “balance head and heart” brings Canadian musician back to conservatism (Guest： Kelly Day)
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A talented musician who is also not afraid to be a very public and open conservative, and one from Canada at that? Tonight I ll introduce you to one. I met someone over the weekend at our very successful Rebel Live event in Calgary that I think we probably all should get to know just a little bit better. She s a new political YouTuber, but she s also an incredibly talented musician, and she s from the prairies.
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A talented musician who is also not afraid to be a very public and open conservative,
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and one from Canada at that, I'm sure you're saying no such thing.
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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I met someone over the weekend at our very successful Rebel Live event in Calgary
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that I think we probably all should get to know just a little bit better.
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She's a new political YouTuber, but she's also an incredibly talented musician.
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You know what? Instead of listening to me talk about how great she is,
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Here's Kelly Day singing Owen Benjamin's ode to Tommy Robinson,
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How They Rule Ya, to our crowd of 600 in Calgary.
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But Tommy has been here before, he's seen this room and he's walked this floor.
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Last time they tried to kill him, but he endued, yeah.
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They need the voice for the growing state, they don't care who their voters rate.
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And it's not okay that this is how they rule you, how they rule you, how they rule you.
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There was a time the press let you know who was really coming to your shores, but now they don't tell the story ever true yet.
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The state tries to say to me it's racial hate, but really it's a fear of a caliphate.
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And the state says no, take it this is how we rule you, how we rule you, how we rule you.
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Now pedophiles are celebrated, while Tommy Robinson incarcerated.
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While Tommy Robinson incarcerated, but you never seem to care for children, do ya?
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The grooming gangs moved in on you, and the kids looked up to you for truth.
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Please don't just say, baby this is how we now rule you.
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How they rule you, how they rule you, how they rule you.
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She did a beautiful job on that song. Kelly's such a talent, but she's more than that. She's
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got a really great story to tell about her journey to the political right and her quest
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for continued dialogue with her political opposites in a time when politics have never really been
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more polarized. So joining me tonight from Prince Albert, Saskatchewan to talk about her
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new foray into political commentary is musician Kelly Day.
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So joining me now from Prince Albert is musician and I guess sort of newfound political commentator
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Kelly Day. Kelly, thanks for joining me. Thank you very much for having me, Sheila.
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Now, I wanted to have you on because I found you so fascinating. You spoke at our Rebel Live event. I
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think you have a really great story at these Rebel Live events. It was my job to keep everybody
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sort of moving along in the right time. So you didn't have, I think, all the time that I would
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love to have heard from you during, but you know, tight schedule and we got to keep it moving. But
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I thought what a great time to have you on as a guest. You are not, I guess, or are you originally
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from Prince Albert? No, no, I was born and raised in the very south of this province. So in Estevan,
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smaller oil city, about 11,000 people. And I've moved all over. I've lived in Ontario. I've lived in
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BC. I've lived in many cities and towns across Saskatchewan. I'm in Prince Albert now. My fiance's
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going to school here. So now you mentioned at the Rebel Live event that you've spent some time
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on the left coast. And while you were there, you sort of considered yourself a bit of a lefty.
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You know, I really did. And partly it's because I think I mentioned it's all relative on the West
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Coast. I was considered kind of uptight and just got to relax, you know, be a little more hakuna
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matata, if you will. And then when I was, you know, visiting family in Saskatchewan, they called me more
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the gypsy of the family or the hippie, the free spirit. So it's really interesting how it's very
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much all relative. But absolutely, I identified very much as a liberal. You know, I wouldn't say that
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politically. At the time, I was dealing with personal stuff, health stuff. So I wasn't involved
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in politics. But when it comes to how I viewed the world, absolutely very much liberal, what you might
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call progressive. At least that's what I thought the path was that I was on. So for sure.
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So I guess I hate to use the phrase because it's so overused. But what what was your like red pill
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moment where you realized, well, maybe I'm not a left liberal. Maybe I'm something else.
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Right, for sure. No. And it's funny that you say that because I don't love those labels either. But
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sometimes they fit so well, you just have to keep using them. And red pilling is definitely a perfect
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way to put this. So I often joke that I took the time release version of the red pill. I still get
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like little bursts of the medication once in a while. And I have some kind of aha moment, where I feel like
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I have to relearn a whole news story or a whole perspective from a new point of view, which is can be
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really actually quite disheartening sometimes, because sometimes you have to face things that
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you didn't want to face before. So I guess you could say red pilling for me was a bit of a process,
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but I can think of a couple of major things. So the first was when Donald Trump was elected.
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Some of my friends or Facebook type friends, very much more, I guess, left leaning. I see now
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called me on my privilege when I tried to ask for some calm and, you know, taking a deep breath when he
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was elected, because of course, everybody on the left thinks he's the worst person in the in the
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whole universe. So stereotypical, right? Like, it's so true. It's so true. It's like a Trump
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derangement syndrome. It does exist. I finally realized that now. So I just called for calm. And I was
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called on my privilege, of course, because I couldn't possibly understand being, you know, a white
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cisgender, whatever woman. So it started to get me thinking. And then just little events were happening
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after that. And in my personal life, I have a chronic illness. I've had many surgeries. I got
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really sick and it reached a pinnacle for me this past winter. I was very sick. I was very thin. I was
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miserable. I was in a lot of pain and I wasn't sure what the point was going on anymore. By the time I
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had my surgery, which was successful, but it was taking a long time to heal. I was very depressed
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and I wasn't sure I was going to make it through about February, March. And then I found Dr. Jordan
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Peterson. Dr. Jordan Peterson basically said, you know, you have to pick up your suffering
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and bear it and be this version of yourself that you believe you're meant to be. And you
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have to follow meaning. And it struck a chord because seeking happiness versus meaning is
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very much what the left seems is all about. It's about instant feeling good as opposed to
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maybe overall good policies or good thoughts for your life going forward. And it really started
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to shift me in a personal way. From there, I started to go back to my faith, reconnected
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with a pastor that coincidentally, maybe or not, lives in the same city I am now from my
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childhood to kind of bring me back to that. And then with it, of course, politically, I
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realized I think I've been a conservative all along. I just didn't realize what conservatives
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were capable of. I had this stereotypical view that conservatives were heartless or non-empathetic.
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And of course, that's what the media tells us. So I bought into that baloney and finally
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realized over time that it wasn't true. And also some CBC articles that showed me how much
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our media can lie to us, you know, those sorts of things. So slowly but surely, I realized,
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holy cow, I've been in the wrong. And I made this YouTube channel sort of to pay penance
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for my mistakes and try to teach other soft-hearted people like me how to not be fooled, fooled
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You know, it's funny that you should mention, you know, like your perceptions of what conservatives
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are versus what conservatives really are. They're often two vastly different things.
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You know, the media will portray conservatives as, you know, oppressive or anti-woman or anti-gay
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or, you know, anti-immigration when mostly we're just pro-being left alone. Like, just leave
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everybody alone. Leave the gays alone. Leave the Christians alone. You know, leave Canadian
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culture alone. Just leave everybody alone. And it's, it's, uh, once people really sort
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of, uh, and that's what, sorry, I just, I want to go off in another direction because one
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of the reasons, one of the reasons I really appreciate what you do on your YouTube channel
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and you, uh, is because you reach out to the other side. Because I think, um, part of the
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problem is that people do have perceptions about conservatives and we do have perceptions
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about liberals that often are not always true. And the only way we can sort of break down
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those walls is through dialogue. And you do quite a bit of that.
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Yes, I do. So the music stuff is, is thanks to a good friend of mine. His name is Rance Derek.
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If anyone wants to check out his channel, he, he heard me singing some of my regular stuff,
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non-political stuff, uh, when we were connected and he said, you know, you should consider just
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doing some political commentary. So it started with the song from Maxime Bernier, uh, and kind
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of continued from there. And I enjoy that side of it, but I also enjoy just the spoken word. So
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sometimes when I have a rant or a feeling, I just sit in front of the camera. It started with an
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anti-modern feminist rant back in July and has spread out from there and grown into something
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kind of exciting. And the dialogue, like you say, Sheila, is so important. What I notice is,
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because I spend the time to read the comments. I mean, it's getting harder as the channel grows,
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but I try to really have discussions, even with people that I disagree with pretty much as long
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as you don't start off the dialogue with, Hey, you stupid expletive word, you know, insert
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expletive word here. I'll pretty much usually, um, you know, come back and have some kind of a dialogue.
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And I've learned a lot. I've had to pull videos because of, you know, finding out a news story was
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fake or embellished. It teaches you a lot about intellectual honesty and these different things that come
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along with doing this type of work. And the dialogue has been the key for me. And I've
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actually had a few people that have, you know, discussed something with me, not agreed with
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everything and followed me over and subscribed to my channel. I have no idea how many people sit in
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the background that hear my views. It's mostly conservatives I speak to, but I do hope the odd
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liberal will poke their head in and hear something that maybe makes them stop and think even just for
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a second. Right. I think by now people should know that you appeared at our rebel live event. You gave a
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little bit of commentary and you did just a stirring rendition of how they ruled. Yeah. The song about
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Tommy Robinson. Um, uh, what has been some of the response from, I don't know, either the left or
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other conservatives, um, from appearing at our event?
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A very interesting question. So, um, I've been working with some other, you know, Patriot Canadian
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YouTubers and one of them has mentioned to walk into the fire. I think Thomas Saul mentioned that as
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well, so I feel like I kind of dove into the fire, just jumped right in this weekend. Uh, you mentioned
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Sheila that if you get the stink of the rebel on you, then you can have a problem. So I think I just
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like doused myself in rebel stink this weekend and honestly don't care. I'm happy to smell like the
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rebel. Uh, these people were some of the greatest people, both the audience members. And of course,
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all of you guys that I got to meet the speakers, just salt of the earth, good Canadians. And so the people
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there, fantastic. I had amazing, amazing interactions with people after a 175 year old man
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or so, I would guess in the age group of 75 ish came with his wife and told me he hadn't partook
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in the national anthem in over five years. I don't know why his wife said, yeah, he had to just won't
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sing it. And he said, but for some reason, when you sang it today on that stage, I just felt like
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I had to join in with everyone in the room. And he sang the national anthem and it almost brought me
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to tears. You know, I had these moments where I felt like people really listened and I, you know,
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I felt some, some energy or some solidarity there. So that was pretty amazing. Beyond there,
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um, of course you have Twitter, which is quite a thing. Uh, liberal wise. Yeah. I'm considered,
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um, spewing hate. I'm a hypocrite. I'm an idiot. You know, I'm all these things. So that's the general
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liberal go-to. Uh, that's been a fun red pilling moment as well. Realizing everyone that you thought
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was on your side is actually kind of, uh, I don't know how to put this. They're very, uh, harsh,
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a lot of vitriol. I think I could probably say it in worse ways, but I'll stick to a diplomatic
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way this, uh, this time around. Uh, so that's been, you know, on the side, but I'd say overwhelmingly
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good, good response. Uh, how they really was actually shared by both Owen Benjamin and on
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his live stream, as well as on Twitter, as well as Tommy Robinson saw it and put it on. So it's
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floating around. I think it's at about 50,000 views. I haven't checked. So yes, it's on a few
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different sources and the response has been incredible. Apparently I make lots of grown men
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cry. So that makes me kind of laugh because I'm a pretty nice gal, but apparently the music,
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does something to the soul. So yeah, I feel like it's been a really positive experience.
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I'm very glad I went. Yeah. No offense to Owen Benjamin, but I like your version better.
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Like, and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion. Now I guess what are some of the responses
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from people who knew you before as sort of apolitical liberal Kelly versus Kelly who's walked into
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the fire now? Another interesting question. So I grew up conservative and Christian. So when I was
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in high school, I was, you know, very type A personality, exceptional grades involved in all
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sorts of things. I played the oboe in band. I was in the debate club, a total overachiever.
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Just a nerd. You sound like, Oh, just an insufferable nerd.
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I wasn't such, I was such a nerd and I was nice. So I wasn't hated or anything or made fun of or put
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in lockers, even though I'm totally small enough to be stuffed in a blocker. I was not.
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But yes, like I was into a lot of music stuff. I was very involved with my church and my youth group.
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And so if you knew me before, if you knew me as the conservative Kelly, then none of this would seem
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so crazy. But it's that period of time when I would be, I guess, between 19 and, oh, I don't know,
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late 20s was when I started to shift out of it. Not too far from when I met my partner,
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who's a libertarian and kind of opened my eyes up to the don't tread on me concept that
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I think was in my soul all along. So it depends when you met me. If you met me in that period of
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time when I lived on the West Coast, yeah, I'm losing friends at the speed of sound, put it that
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way. And it hasn't been pretty. So Bernier has been interesting because he's seen as such a sexist
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misogynist, is, is, is, is, is of all the kinds. So that's been interesting.
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To deal with the backlash of that thinking that people really don't know my heart and
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are that convinced that when you go to the other side of conservatism, you turn into this,
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I guess, heartless demon. I'm not sure. But for the most part, for every person I've lost,
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I'm gaining someone that's just incredible, very strong people in my life. So it's good and bad.
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But yeah, it's been, there's people I haven't even told yet. I still haven't come around to
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coming out to everybody. This has been a slow process.
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So you just mentioned Maxime Bernier. You're a Maxime Bernier supporter, which seems like
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maybe you skipped a step. Like you went from being a liberal to being a libertarian now,
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instead of moving through the mushy middle of vegetable lasagna conservatism.
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Again, this was not a conscious political choice. It just sort of became this meshed in
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change in my life. So it came in with a spiritual change, with a physical change,
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you know, huge mental awakenings, you could say. Libertarianism, very different. One of these
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words that's defined very differently, say, even in the U.S., people on the very extreme end,
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pure libertarians who are, you know, anarcho-capitalists, right? And you have maybe
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they don't believe in borders, and they don't believe we should have any government at all.
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You have these people that do kind of support more of an anarchy model. Then you have libertarians
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that are more of classical liberal, which, of course, doesn't exist in the liberal parties
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anymore. Like the Democrats in the states are no longer liberal. The liberals in NDP are not
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liberal here. They are pretty much socialist. I think we can all agree with that, or as close
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as you can be in our society. So I think that libertarianism has to be defined sort of individually
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right now, which is unfortunate. So I would say that I guess you could say classical liberal would
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be a similar thing for me. I'm not anti-government. I understand we need a police force and a fireman.
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I understand that we need some government, but I'm very much pro-limited government. So funny story,
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when I first met my partner Steve, he had sent me, this was when we were first talking,
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he sent me like a joke test. What kind of, what's your true political nature? And I did the test and
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came up 100% libertarian. I'd never heard the word before. But when you look at the values,
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they're all everything I've ever really wanted to practice. It made me realize that that liberal
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phase of my life was a front, a mask, right? It wasn't who I am. And my dad always caught that.
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We would have these arguments because he was so, he's such a staunch old school conservative.
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And he'd say to me, you're not really a liberal. And I was like, yes, I am so mad. And he'd say,
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no, you're not with a smirk on his face. And I remember how much that angered me. But he was right.
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He could see that his daughter was being led by the blind, right? And so basically, libertarianism
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for me is more about the important ideological cultural views of it, less than say, the pure
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economics of it. We can always debate about that. I'm what Tim Mowen would call a milquetoast
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libertarian because they don't necessarily dive into inform of that. So basically, libertarianism
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for me is a lot more about small government. Being a Westerner, and I'm sure you can appreciate
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this, Sheila, there's way too, there's too many hands in the pot when it comes to Ottawa dealing
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with Western affairs. And people in Saskatchewan have been pretty disillusioned for years with
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the East. So when it comes to Maxime Bernier, libertarianism, he's a conservative, but he's got
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some libertarian undertones. For me, it's about focusing on smaller government and dealing
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with the demographics at hand. So Prince Albert's going to have different issues than Ottawa,
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obviously, and different than Nova Scotia and Vancouver Island. So to me, it's about having
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actual small government of communities as opposed to this BS of having this one huge government
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diving into our lives. It's also about personal freedom and understanding what the West really
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means. So that's where Jordan Peterson helped me to understand not to feel shamed of my Judeo-Christian
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heritage. But even if you're an atheist, you can still respect this freedom, this Western
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freedom mentality. So those, I think, those ideologies are what shifted me from liberalism
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to libertarianism. I was considering running for the Libertarian Party, and then Maxime Bernier
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went and started his own. And I had to decide who I felt the most ideologically compatible with.
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And it seems to have a lot more oomph in the political spectrum than the libertarians. They're
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just a bit too Puritan to ever gain power in this country. So yeah, I'm on bird full on. I'm a
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president of the EDA in Prince Albert, and taking on all the votes, split hate and all that. So yeah.
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Yeah, it's, I would describe myself as probably the smallest of all government conservatives.
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Libertarians, God love them. You know, I do. I think I crib a lot of ideas from the libertarians,
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especially on gun rights and small government. But a lot of the radical libertarians, and I'm not
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talking about your normal Western libertarian, but the radical kind, they are the people who could
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probably least stay alive without government. And I don't mean that to be, I'm not trying to be rude.
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But some of them really, they need government, they like they need to help.
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And I would completely agree with you that some of the most anarchy types are kind of some of them
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are a little unhinged at times, which not all but some. So yeah, I would agree with that. I think
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having some government isn't the worst thing in the world. It's just about having
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the government that actually people and I don't think that Canada right now is much of a democracy.
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I'm sure you'd agree with that. So yeah, I agree with you. There is that anything radical.
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That's for me staying not moderate, like lukewarm, standing by your laurels, for sure. But I'm just
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not a radical in pretty much any sense. So yeah, I try to be with anything radical, you have to be
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careful because people can be more focused on the group or the team than where it actually sits with
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their values, right? Right. And that takes me to something else that you've really talked about.
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You've sort of talked about, you know, radical tribalism. And you've really reached across the
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aisle to the other side. We talked about this before. But I mean, you did an entire video on
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C-16. That's Canada's pronoun law. And you did it with a trans person, because you're not afraid to
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have the discussion. You've talked about veganism as a radical idea. And you've talked about people who
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radically hate veganism as being, you know, two sides of the same coin. You've talked about white guilt.
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And then you've talked about uniting conservatives. So you are sort of, I guess, probably one of the
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more ecumenical conservative YouTubers I think I've ever seen.
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Well, I'll take that as a compliment, because a good word, by the way, I always like when people
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use good, good smart words. I appreciate, I appreciate the compliment. I want to be like I said,
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not lukewarm, mushy. I've had that's probably my biggest criticism on YouTube is from the
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conservative saying, hey, you're being too PC. You crank it up a notch. And I totally respect that.
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I respect those comments. I think when I first started, I was a bit scared of stepping on toes,
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very liberal in that respect. It's hard to get out of that skin. But it's, it's important for me to
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not turn people up by being like some kind of my personality. I'm a pretty gentle, soft spoken
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person. That's why Lindsay Shepard has been, you know, being able to see her speak and meet her was
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incredible for me, because she's like you said, such a nice soft spoken person. And when I saw her
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just get basically eaten alive by her own side by the left, it was just horrific to watch. And I want
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to make sure that, you know, there are people on the left that are they're too far gone. There's an
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irrational thinking wave that's going on that I don't think you can reach. And that's something I
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have to accept in trying to reach across the aisle. You just can't, you have to really be careful not to
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waste your time, because some people are just just out to insult. They are deeply disturbed in some
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cases, and they can't be helped. But there are those people that are like I was, they're just
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disillusioned. For me, it was illness, you're stuck in an environment that tells you that socialism is
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the answer. You're being fed garbage all the time telling you that we have the best system, and we
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shouldn't ever question it. And really, you know, deep down that it's not right. There's a cognitive
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dissonance. That's where I deal. I guess I want to help other people who are in that boat. It always
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happens to people who are considered highly sensitive or empathic. It's the empathetic
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bleeding heart folks that get wrapped into this. I want to reach if you're a sensitive person who
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has a hard time balancing head and heart. That's what I want my channel to be for. So it's basically
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balancing pragmatism and empathy. I see a lot of people strongly in their head and a lot of people
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strongly only thinking on knee jerk emotional reactions, and neither of those are going to get
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us anywhere. So that's kind of what I try to do with my channel.
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Now, I guess now's a good time to let people know where they can find your channel. How can they find
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your music? How can they support you in this? I guess it's sort of like a walkabout, like a truth
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quest to not only educate people, but to have these ongoing discussions with the other side.
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Well, I'm on YouTube right now. I'm this is all weird for me because I actually am not really much
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of a techie. And so doing anything with, you know, even having to buy a webcam and all that and do all
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of this was not really in the stars. I didn't think for me, but I guess here I am. So right now,
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I just have YouTube. I am on Twitter. You can follow me at Kelly our day 19. I'm on there a little
00:27:07.500
more than I used to be. My YouTube channel, you can just type in Kelly day, I believe there's only two
00:27:12.100
of us. There's myself and I think a Brazilian supermodel. So I'm the non-Brazilian supermodel.
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Please feel free to follow me there. I try to post a couple times a week. I try to do different
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interviews, like you said, Sheila, with people that I want to challenge me or, you know, keep me
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advised or informed on something. I also am going to be starting a Patreon because yes, this will start
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to take some money now and I'll be keeping my viewers posted that way. So that's probably the best way
00:27:37.240
to find me right now is just straight up YouTube and Twitter. Facebook isn't much of a thing and
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I'm not an Instagrammer. Well, you know, I hope people do seek you out. I hope they do find you.
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I hope they do watch your videos. I think your music is being shared and enjoyed more broadly
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than it ever was, especially after this weekend. But I think you're doing really important work and
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you have a really important journey into conservatism that I think people need to hear.
00:28:08.180
So Kelly, I want to thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show today. Thank you for
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letting us get the stink of the rebel all over you. And I want to thank you so much for taking the time
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to really articulate these ideas in a way that people understand. Thank you so much. I appreciate
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the opportunity. Like I said, this has been a really bizarre journey and the support I'm getting
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is incredible. So for anyone that's been me so far, thank you. It means the world and the
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opportunity to be at the rebel this weekend. Yes, it's been it's been incredible both for my music
00:28:39.540
and just for my soul. So thank you so much, Sheila, for having me on today. Thanks, Kelly.
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I think Kelly has a really great attitude about remembering that the person sitting across from
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you on the ideological aisle, they might not necessarily be evil or hateful, they might just
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be wrong. And they may have never ever met a real life conservative before. Some people's bubbles
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really are that small and we can't pop their bubble for them if we don't talk to them. It's important
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for us as conservatives to also remember that we are sometimes brand ambassadors, whether we want
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to be or not. I hope everybody checks out Kelly and her commentary and her incredible music right
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now. She's a hidden gem, but I don't think that she'll be staying hidden for too much longer.
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Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you, everybody, once again for taking the time
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to tune in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week. And remember,
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don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.