Liberals scramble for new icebreakers — but warn the Arctic is melting (GUEST： Michelle Stirling)
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Environment Minister Catherine McKenna thinks we re all going to die in 12 years from climate change. So if that s the case, what s her government doing ordering new icebreakers to cruise around the Arctic? Guest: Michelle Stirling from Friends of Science.
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version of my show. You're listening to a rebel media podcast. Environment Minister Catherine McKenna
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thinks we're all going to die in 12 years from climate change. So if that's the case, what the heck is
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her government doing? Ordering new icebreakers to cruise around the Arctic? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed
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Al Gore promised us all the Arctic would be ice-free already. Back in 2008, former Vice President
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Al Gore predicted that the Arctic would be ice-free in five years from then, so 2013.
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Nearly two decades later, Canada is now buying more icebreakers to deal with increased Arctic
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ice conditions. Actually, the federal government is going on quite the little icebreaker buying
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spree. Late last year, it was announced that Canada would be acquiring three new, or rather
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new to us, used icebreakers from Norway and then spending $600 million to retrofit those ships
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for Canadian conditions. Then, very recently, earlier in August, Trudeau announced that his government
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was opening up the search for a shipyard to build completely new icebreakers for the Canadian
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government. So, to recap, last year we added three more icebreakers, and now we're looking
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to build a series of more icebreakers, and yet, Canada's Environment Minister keeps telling
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us that if we don't pay her carbon tax, the Arctic will be no more. Looks like even the Liberals
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don't believe that garbage. My guest tonight is someone who adds facts and figures to counter
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the constant fear-mongering from the left on the issue of climate change. When the climate change
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minister is fishing off a rock in high heels with no line on the end of a rod, my guest tonight is
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helping crunch the numbers to tell you exactly what would happen to you and your family and your
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lifestyle if McKenna really got her way and phased out all those fossil fuels. Joining me in an
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interview we recorded earlier is my friend Michelle Stirling from Friends of Science.
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So, joining me now from Calgary is my friend Michelle Stirling from Friends of Science. I'm so
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grateful to talk to you, Michelle, and we really should do this more often since we only have 18
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months to live, or apparently that's what the climate change fear-mongers would have us all believe.
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I wanted to talk to you about a video that Friends of Science has just made. You're turning into quite
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the little spokesmodel for Friends of Science. I'm really enjoying your videos, actually. As someone
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who's on camera all the time, I'm appreciating the evolution of the work that you're doing.
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You did a really great video on Elizabeth May, Green Party leader Elizabeth May's crazy comments
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about how we can just all of a sudden transition to this new green economy and nobody is going to be
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left behind. But you added some facts to her contentions that that is even possible.
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Oh, well, yeah. I mean, first of all, when she says no one will be left behind, if you look at the volume of
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energy consumption in the world, well into the 80% of it is fossil fuels. And wind and solar are
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perhaps like somewhere between two and six percent. It depends what country you're in. But it's a very,
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very low percentage. And even things like geothermal, which we keep hearing people banding that about
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as a way to replace all the oil workers who are out of work, just have them work on deep wells and
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we can have geothermal like magic. Well, even in the United States, which has the most geothermal power
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generation in the world, it's only 0.4% of the power mix there. So it's a very small, very specific type
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of power generation. It can be useful. And there are some places where it could be done here. But it's
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not a be all and end all as being presented. And there are many complexities. So, you know, the whole
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thing of Elizabeth May saying, no one will be left behind. Well, as I sent you that report on Ontario,
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people were left behind in Ontario. So do you want to talk about that part now?
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Yeah, you know, what a great segue. Again, see, you're getting really good at this video thing.
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Yeah, that's, I had that on my list of things I wanted to talk about. A report that I think is
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highly relevant right now as we approach the federal elections campaign. And it's highly relevant
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because of the number of people who were responsible for the green energy catastrophe that
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unfolded in Ontario. A lot of those people, namely Gerald Butts, are now working for the federal
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Liberal Party, the government or the campaign. And they really do want to replicate what they did in
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Ontario in the rest of the country. The report is called the Ontario Government
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Climate Legacy. Yes. And this is another report by Robert Lyman. And he's looking at the
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the energy transition that took place there. And if you look back at Elizabeth May's history,
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she was the executive director of the Sierra Club from its foundation in Canada in 1989 to about 2006.
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And the Sierra Club was funded by the Oak Foundation, which is a tar sands campaign funder,
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out of the foreign funder, to, I think it was for about $217,000 US dollars, to coordinate the
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NGOs at the time and to get them to make sure that greenhouse gases were legally, were legislated as a
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pollutant. So that these groups were working with foreign funding to make problems for Canada down the road.
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Now, that was not our policy at the time. And even if you look right now at the air pollutant list in Canada,
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you won't find CO2 on that list. But anyway, so she was part of that campaign. She was the executive
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director of the Sierra Club in 2005, when they gave Alberta an F. And they gave Ontario a B plus for
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the Rio report, which is based on the Rio declaration of, you know, the big Rio confab in 1992, where the whole global warming
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movement began, shall we say. So she gave Alberta an F, despite the fact that Alberta was in fact
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a leader in everything related to climate and environment at the time. So in the process of the
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Ontario Green Energy Act being implemented, you find all the same parties that are implicated in the
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tar sands campaign, implicated in the Green Energy Act. And what was the outcome of that? Well, I just want
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to read some of the figures from Robert Lyman's report, just to give people a sense of what happened.
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$9 billion for poor contracting practices. $133 billion in global adjustment fees from 2015 to 2032.
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And at least 20% of that is related to the renewable sector. $3.6 billion to build a smart grid and smart
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meters, and up to $55 billion in deferred costs that will hit future rate payers. And here's the kicker.
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Elizabeth May says that no one will be left behind in her plan to go green. Well, 75,000 lost industrial
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jobs in Ontario. And as Robert says, that's quite the tally for zero global environmental benefit.
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So when people are saying, oh, our plan won't leave anyone behind. Well, we've already left behind 75,000
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workers in Ontario and complete economic devastation. So don't believe her. Ask her questions. You know,
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I think the thing that really bothers me is that I see the media letting her loop of her bloviating about
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how she won't leave anyone behind going on and on. Who's asking her these hard questions? No one,
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not that I could see. Yeah, you know, isn't that the truth? J.J. McCullough, journalist J.J. McCullough,
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he often points out that Elizabeth May is held up like she's some sort of saint, that she's some sort of
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parliamentary procedure expert, and that she is this benign and benevolent figure in Canadian
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politics. And as you rightly point out, she really isn't. She's got her hands in all of this
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devastation in Ontario, and she wants to replicate it nationwide. Yes, yes. And not to condemn the
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woman as a person, but these are the policies that we're addressing here. And they're not founded on
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anything but unicorn farts and fairy dust, really. No, no one is asking these hard questions. You cannot go from
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2% renewables driving the world energy to 100% renewable overnight. You can't do it. You can't
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do it in 10 years. And actually, Robert Lyman has another report out that was published by the Global
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Warming Policy Foundation. It's called Transition to Reality. And he points out that all the energy
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transitions over time have been at least 50 to 70 years. And renewables have been sponsored, like
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subsidized now for 40 years for trillions of dollars. And they still haven't made any significant market
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penetration because they can't do the job. They can't support basic society. And yet we have public
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figures, candidates for office advocating for these policies. And journalists are not asking these hard
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questions. That's their job. Ask. Yeah, I mean, it is their job. But when you're getting $600 million
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in bailout money from the federal government to not ask the questions, expect silence.
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Now, I wanted to transition into, again, another really great video that you did. I just watched it
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before we popped on air here. And it is about the Wines and Nicola report. And that's about,
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I suppose it's about climate change and climate change education within the curriculum. And I found
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out an interesting fact. Friends of Science is somehow part of the Manitoba curriculum. And that heartens
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me a lot that there's still like that little bit of common sense in the public school curriculum
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when it comes to science and telling both sides of the story. But that wasn't Wines and Nicola's
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position on Friends of Science, now was it? No, no, they were quite upset to find that
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a so-called denier organization was even mentioned. And I haven't seen the specific curriculum document,
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but according to how they described it, it was brought up by the school curriculum developers that
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there is a diversity of views and it's quite contentious between scientists and quite
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different between many groups of scientists. And we were offered as an example for students to read
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some material and, you know, consider it and then consider the other side as well. Which the thing that
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I found very odd in the Wines and Nicola's paper is that they were upset that the curriculum had not
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done enough to convince students that climate change is a real emergency. Well, you know, as far
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as I know, education is not about convincing people. It's about teaching them how to think critically.
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And, you know, this is a pair of researchers who turned out a paper in 2017
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that was very well publicized. You probably remember it where you should drive less, you should be
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vegan, and you should have one less child. Now, Canada only has a birth rate of 1.6 percent,
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or 1.6 children, sorry, 1.6 children. So, if you're telling people to have one less child, you're
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basically telling them to wipe out Canadian society and you're giving teachers a pink slip.
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So, you know, what kind of advice is that? And interestingly enough, in their most recent
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paper, they conveniently leave out that part. So, I wonder why, you know, they must have known
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that teachers wouldn't take kindly to it. But the other thing is, if you're talking about critical
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thinking, they fail to mention that container ships put out the pollution of 50 million cars,
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and your child is never going to do that. So, having one less child is not going to save the planet.
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Going vegan is not going to save the planet. Driving less, you know, might save you some gas money,
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but it's not going to save the planet. So, these people are getting a lot of profile in the press.
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And again, the press is not asking any critical questions. When you look at some of our other
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reports that I hope we'll discuss soon, you find that these big countries like China, highly industrialized,
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developing nation, I think it's all of Canada's output is equivalent to what's put out in China in
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three and a half months. So, you know, having one less Canadian child is not going to save the planet.
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And think that that these people are critiquing school policy. I think the curriculum developers
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are doing great so far. Yeah, especially in Manitoba. I'm shocked. And I really enjoyed the title of
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that video. It was called Climate Diversity is Our Strength. And it's so funny because when the other
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side of the argument, liberals say things like, you know, diversity is our strength, we hear it
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all the time. But they literally only mean diversity of gender and diversity of color. But they never mean
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the real things that really should matter. Because really, I think we, most people don't care what
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color you are. And they really don't care what goes on in your bedroom. But we should be able to
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tolerate people who have differing ideas about us, who examine the evidence and come to a different
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conclusion. We should be able to exist in society with those people. And they should be entitled to
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hold those views. And I'm refreshed to find out that the Manitoba curriculum actually teaches that
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some people can look at evidence and collect other evidence on their own and come to an entirely
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different conclusion. And that's okay. And it's still part of the scientific process.
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Well, yes, science is about inquiry. It's not about compliance. So, you know, it's really shameful to
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think that anyone is trying to impose on teachers or curriculum developers that you should only teach one
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one way, one way, you know, my way is the highway. And, you know, there are also some advocates in the
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school system, we ran into this a few years ago, in Alberta, where one person was advocating that not
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only should children not be given diverse views on climate change, because it might confuse them, but also
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the media should not publish anything that is contrary to the alleged consensus, because it might confuse
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the public. So, you know, how stupid do they think people are? That's just absurd, and absurd that there's
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that view in schools. You know, it really, there really is that sort of elitist sentiment, isn't there?
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These are the same people who want meat taxes, sugar taxes, fat taxes, salt taxes,
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because you and I are too stupid to listen to our doctors, listen to science, listen to medicine,
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and come to our own decision about what we should eat and what we should put into our bodies. But at
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the same time, they're the people who are legalizing drug injection sites all over the place, but they
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want to tax my burger. They want to put vending machines in Vancouver now. You know, nobody wants
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to help these people restore their life to wholeness. Let's just keep them on the street and drugged.
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You know, and it's a terrible crisis. I'm not mocking the opioid crisis at all. It's terrible.
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so many families. I mean, and across demographics.
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But there's a lot. I think that's sort of the pervasive theme of
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climate change. And that is this idea that they need to control your life.
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And, you know, and it comes in many forms. It comes in, well, you should eat less meat
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to save the planet. You should have one less child to save the planet. Meanwhile,
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the Canadian replacement rate for our population collapses and the health care system implodes on
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itself. But no taxpayers, no taxpayers left. And you see it in all sorts of things. Like I brought up
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the not eating meat. But there's also this desire to force people to get off cars for some reason.
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And Canada is this huge country, sparsely populated. You know, between Alberta's two largest cities,
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there's a three-hour drive. You know, it just doesn't make sense. And you guys have a really
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great report out. It's called The 85 Million Ton Obsession. And it focuses a little bit on this desire
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to rid society of cars instead of just, you know, like making cars better, making the technology
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more efficient, making the technology more affordable. No, we're just supposed to revert
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back 150 years and hoof it everywhere. Yeah. And a lot of these policies stem from
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looking at Europe, you know, where they say, oh, look at that. In Europe, you can go everywhere by train
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and everybody's got a high-speed train. Well, look at the population density there and look at the
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distances there. It's absurd. I mean, when you look at a city like London, it's 2000 years old.
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So, of course, it's a highly densely populated area. They've built up public transportation systems
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and they lead a very different life than here. And it's also quite temperate compared to Canada.
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I mean, there's that book that I referred to before called Cold Welcome about how people who came
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from Europe to the New World were expecting to find the new Andalusia here, hoping and thinking
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that it would be the same as in nice, warm Southern Spain, only to find out that it was damn cold.
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And, you know, that's a very big difference. People don't make those comparisons and understand the
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difference. So, yes, the 85 ton obsession, it's another Robert Lyman report. And he notes that 15.6
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million Canadians commute back and forth to work. And after five decades of the government trying to
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get people out of their cars, the commuting by car has fallen from 80.7 to 79.5%. So, so far,
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we're not making big progress. But now, you know, the Trudeau government in April 2019 announced new
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targets for 100% new vehicle sales 100% EVs, right zero emissions, and they're granting all kinds of
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money 2500 to 5000 per vehicle. But you know what this does, it brings up the carbon price equivalent to
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350 to 433 dollars per ton of emissions avoided, which is many, many times, of course, the present
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$20 carbon tax. And people don't understand this hidden carbon tax that's happening through these
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various subsidies and legislation. And as we've seen in the past, you know, so after five decades of
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trying desperately to get people out of their cars, it's not working, because we're not built for it in
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Canada. It's a vast place. We don't have the population density to support the idea of high
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speed train everywhere or buses everywhere. We just don't have it. How many people would be on your bus
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from where you live out in the country? Just me.
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You know, once a week, maybe, you know, but if you got to go to town to get some equipment or, you know,
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got to cart some hay around or pick up some egg supplies, you're not going to go by bus, you need a truck.
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So it's ridiculous. Anyway, it's a great report. And it puts things in perspective on the fact that
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this kind of nominal, very expensive effort will only result in an 85 million ton reduction in
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greenhouse gas emissions, which is nothing in the context of the things that we've been discussing so
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far. It seems like a lot of pain for absolutely no gain. And, and, and they keep doing it over and
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over this. Okay. Well, we tried it this way. We didn't see any success. Let's try it this way.
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We're not, we don't see any success. They keep trying it, um, without, like you say, addressing
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the realities of what life is like in Canada. It's cold, it's far apart, and we're a car culture.
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That's okay. And if you look at much of Alberta, it's all boom towns, either it's coal boom towns,
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oil boom towns, gas boom towns. These places pop up overnight. Leduc popped up overnight.
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Devon popped up overnight. Edmonton, for the most part, popped up overnight after years of just being
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this loose conglomeration of little towns. It popped up overnight. And so you're dealing with
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housing people, and then you deal with getting them around. And then, so how do you do that with
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existing communities? How do you create high-speed rail when you've got existing communities and
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highways already built to get them around? And people are happy to do that. It just doesn't
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make any sense. They want us to be European bike riders and we're Alberta pickup truck drivers.
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Well, you know, you can ride a bike in Europe pretty much year round. Most of Europe you can,
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but you can't do it here. I mean, there are some hardcore people who do, but the average person
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cannot. It's not very safe. And it's just way too cold. And the other thing to think about there,
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oh, I just lost my train of thought you were just talking about. Oh, yes. When you have EVs,
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one thing that people have not thought about is that, let's say we have enough EVs in Alberta that
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now we need to set up more charging stations. Well, now we're going to have to run high power
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transmission lines here and there. And the thing that people hate worse than pipelines
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is high voltage transmission lines. So, you know, when you start putting in all these
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transmission lines to bring power for EVs, first of all, it's a huge cost. You're talking billions of
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dollars. Like just the line from Calgary down to the Pincher Creek wind farms, 2.2 billion dollars.
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That's only about 200 kilometers. So imagine wiring Canada for EVs. And not to mention one of the things
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that I find really bad about the whole legislation of these 100 percent EVs or no emission vehicles by
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2040 is that we have to build more power dams. We have to build more power generation to meet that
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demand. And that's trillions and trillions of dollars. Those projects take decades to build.
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Like look at Site C Dam. That started 1988. That was when the first proposal went forward.
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It's still not finished. So we will not have enough power to support this grand plan of everybody
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driving these net zero cars. And we will likely be bankrupt and in the dark. So, you know, people
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really have to think about this. It's a serious problem and we are going to run into it.
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Well, Michelle, I want to transition now as we close up our interview into one of the things that's on the
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top of everybody's mind. It's the election. It's looming. It's coming. Whether we're ready for it or
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not. I think a lot of people are pretty ready to cast a ballot against Justin Trudeau. And I wanted to
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talk to you a little bit about how Justin Trudeau has been publicly, I guess, pro pipeline. But at the same
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time, he's choosing anti-pipeline candidates, whether he's nominating them or selecting them or whatever
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the liberals are doing these days. Namely, Steve and Jill Boat. The liberals actually went out and
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actively courted him to be a Liberal Party candidate. And he's been involved in the anti-oil, anti-fossil fuel
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movement for, I guess, the better part of two decades. Yeah, I would say easily. You know,
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he was formerly with Greenpeace, then he was with Equiterre in in Quebec. They call him Jesus of
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Montreal, I guess, because of his beard. Maybe because he's gonna save the planet. But you know,
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he and Marlo Reynolds were the first two to write an op-ed that called Alberta oil,
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dirty oil. That was in 2008, I believe. Still posted on the Pembina site. You know, and he was also
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part of the Liberal government. I don't know if he still is, but he was one of the advisors on
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climate action. So he and a woman from Vancity originally. And so they were the ones who said we
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should have electric vehicles and go all EV by 2040. So, you know, when you look at the background
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of both the tar sands campaign and the push for electric vehicles, again, you find the climate
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works billionaires, who are on the one hand, denigrating existing markets, and on the other
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hand, promoting new markets, as a way, I guess, to drive investment and drive funding for themselves.
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But, you know, we're not told that in the front. And he's one of the proponents of all this, because
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these groups that he was with have been funded for millions of dollars by the tar sands campaign
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and by the climate works billionaires for these pro purposes. So there's the tar sands campaign
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con and against purposes. And then there's the pro purposes like EVs. And again, as we spoke before,
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it sounds good, but they don't really work in Canada. And there are many problems attached to
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Yeah, I mean, and Justin Trudeau, for all his preening about, whoa, I bought you Albertans
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a pipeline, don't you love me now? Well, that pipeline isn't built. They don't have
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the approval permits to even start construction on the Sherwood Park side of the pipeline,
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which exists within one of Canada's largest petrochemical facilities. And it's a secure facility.
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So God, help me, tell me what conditions need to be met for the NEB to approve that pipeline.
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Justin Trudeau is saying a lot of great things, but his actions really speak louder than words.
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Well, and then you see on the other side, the environmental groups now are banding together
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to hammer the insurance companies. I believe it's Zurich Insurance. There's 32
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groups that I got, you know, there's a message from BankTrack that they're all going after these
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insurance companies. So if you can't insure your big infrastructure project, then you can't build it.
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And I don't know how this is legal. You know, to me, this is a tremendous market manipulation.
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I don't know what authority any of these people have in terms of doing this. To me, it would be some
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kind of harassment, you know, because it's not somebody sending a single letter saying,
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please consider these points we make. These are point and click harassment emails by the thousands
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that these companies are getting. So you can't have a government legally authorize a company to be
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an insurance company, or a pipeline builder, or an oil sands developer, or an infrastructure
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builder, or a coal plant operator, or natural gas plant operator, and then also allow all of these
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tax subsidized ENGOs to hammer and harass these companies endlessly so that they can't do their job,
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or they just give up on the territory and say, you know what, let's go work in the middle of nowhere,
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It's the mob tactics of the internet. But in real life, it's very peculiar. It's very bizarre.
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And I don't think we're really going to see any sort of change in these tactics, or at least a
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renouncement of these tactics until we see a change in government. Michelle, I want to thank you so much for
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being generous with your time today. One more report? Of course you can.
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There's one report that Robert Lyman just did. Sure. And I think it's very important at this time
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that people know that, you know, all these countries apparently promised to meet certain targets in 2015
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at the Paris conference. So every five years, they're supposed to update their targets. Well,
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it's almost four years now since that agreement was made. And none of the large emitting countries,
00:31:50.100
the 10 large emitting countries, of which Canada is one, except the EU, which is counted as one
00:31:56.340
country, will meet their emissions standard. And why will the EU meet it? Because they're suffering
00:32:02.420
an industrial massacre. So that means that, like, if all the other countries of the world completely
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eliminated their emissions and indeed ceased to exist within 12 years, the 2 degree C target would not
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be met. So have a look at this promises versus performance report. It's his latest report. And I
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think it helps put things in context when these ENGOs are saying, oh, we have to meet our climate targets.
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Nobody else in the world is meeting their climate targets. And the only one that's close to meeting it,
00:32:36.020
the EU is suffering an industrial massacre. And so that's not going to be good for them. In fact,
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I just saw that one of the banks in Germany is about to have a route. So things are not good over
00:32:50.180
there. And it's partly because of their ridiculous climate policies. So we should not follow their path.
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Anyway, isn't that funny how the only road to success in meeting climate targets is completely
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destroying your own economy? Like that, that's the measure of success. I mean, it's just so crazy.
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And our competitors are laughing all the way to market. You know, they're just gathering up other
00:33:17.620
countries to be their market share. We're supposed to be in the top six providers of oil and gas worldwide.
00:33:23.860
But you know, all those other competitors of ours have none of these restrictions. They've accepted
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none of these restrictions. Wait, just look at the United States. They've become an exporter
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of oil and gas, and they remain our one and only customer. What do we think that's going to mean for
00:33:41.860
us in five years? We're there. We're not going to be needed at all. And yet we can't build pipelines
00:33:46.820
to get to foreign markets. It's really, it's insane. It is insane. No grown up country should
00:33:54.020
be doing this to themselves. Right. And I mean, look at Europe, where are they getting all their
00:33:58.180
oil and gas and coal from? Not from us. And that's odd, because we are, you know, a former colony of
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theirs. We have always had trade relations. We've got La Francophonie. We've got the Commonwealth.
00:34:10.180
Why wouldn't they say, welcome, come and talk with us? But they're, no, they're happy to work with Iran,
00:34:16.580
with Qatar, with Russia. Something strange going on there, don't you think?
00:34:21.940
It's very strange. Michelle, I want to give you a chance to let people know where they can find
00:34:27.060
some of Friends of Science's incredible, just information-packed reports and how they can support
00:34:34.100
the work that you do. Oh, thank you. Well, these recent reports are posted on our blog, and you can
00:34:39.700
find our blog through our main website, www.friendsofscience.org. So you'll find a little
00:34:46.580
spot there for the blog. And you just have to search through it to find the names, although maybe
00:34:53.620
you guys can post a link or the cover of the reports. And to become a member or to donate, there's
00:34:59.380
also a little button on our homepage. You can donate there. And we'd love to have more members,
00:35:04.340
love to have donations. We run on a very small amount of money, $150,000 a year from our members.
00:35:11.140
And we don't take government contracts. We don't have corporate donations of any denomination. And so
00:35:21.460
we do need your help, and we try to provide insights on climate science and energy policies. And we
00:35:28.580
are not dogmatic. We don't want you to agree with us. We want you to think so. And that's a dangerous
00:35:33.940
thing, I guess. Well, you know, isn't that great that for me, when I'm reading these reports, there's
00:35:42.260
not a lot of emotion in them. They're just jam-packed full of information, which is so much the opposite
00:35:48.740
of the gloom and doom, the fear and scare of the other side of the debate. It's real numbers,
00:35:54.660
hard facts, and real analysis of the data, which we don't get from the other side of the debate.
00:36:01.220
Michelle, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show. I want to thank you for being generous
00:36:05.780
with your time. And hopefully, I can check back with you in the recent future, if we're all still
00:36:11.140
alive. I think we will be. I think the 12-year thing is a scam. So we're going to be fine. Thank you.
00:36:18.180
Yeah. You're welcome, Michelle. We'll talk again. Okay. Thanks, Sheila. Bye-bye.
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Well, everybody, there you have it. If the Liberals continue to have their way with energy
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policy in this beautiful country, expect your life to get more expensive, less fun, less free,
00:36:45.460
and less delicious. Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in.
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I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the very same place next week. And remember,
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don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.
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don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.