Marty Gold joins me to talk about what's happening in Winnipeg, and why it's so bad. Marty Gold is a writer and editor at The Jewish Chronicle of Winnipeg covering the intersection between journalism and politics. He's also a regular contributor to the Winnipeg Sun, and a frequent guest host on the show The Gunn Show.
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00:01:17.620Does the city of Winnipeg have its very own version of Progressive Mayor Naheed Nenshi?
00:01:32.180Sure looks that way. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
00:01:47.620I talk a lot about Edmonton and Calgary on the show, first of all because they're closer to home
00:01:57.880for me, but also because I hate to see these great entrepreneurial metropolises destroyed by
00:02:03.100progressive municipal policies. However, Alberta cities aren't the only cities suffering this swing
00:02:09.940to progressivism on the prairies. Turns out Winnipeg just might be as bad. Powerful Winnipeg city
00:02:15.640councillors are already advocating for increased spending on climate change policies. And a far
00:02:22.320left-wing city councillor is also looking to replicate Toronto by calling for a handgun ban.
00:02:27.820What the heck is happening to our prairie cities? To discuss these issues and his ongoing coverage of
00:02:34.740Western Canadian Jewish issues, that's a hard one to say, is independent Winnipeg journalist
00:02:40.820Marty Gold. Marty, thanks for joining us. This is Marty Gold from the J.C.A. in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon.
00:02:47.820Joining me now from Winnipeg, slightly less cold than it is here at home, is my friend, independent Winnipeg journalist Marty Gold. Marty, thanks for joining me. Let's talk about local stuff off the hop for you.
00:03:14.220Sure. At the Rebel, we don't get to talk about a lot of local Winnipeg stuff, so I like to rely on you. I talk a lot about Edmonton, a lot about Calgary. But Winnipeg is right in the mix with their own, I guess their own Nenshi, Mayor Bowman.
00:03:30.080Yeah, he's developed a, and it should have been more of an issue in the last election, but he's managed to pervert the City of Winnipeg act in that he's formed a political party, without calling it that, made up of his appointees to the committee chairs.
00:03:53.180The committee chairs then form a committee of the, it's not of the whole, a committee of the powerful, called the Executive Policy Committee. So you'll have the chair of Public Works, the chair of Parks and Development, which involves the cops, you get the idea.
00:04:08.000And these chairs, six chairs, along with Bowman, form a caucus of seven that will then steer matters as they come up through the committee and other processes towards the City Council agenda.
00:04:19.060He has appointed, what he's done towards the end of his last term and in this term, is he appoints a deputy mayor and an acting deputy mayor, and they get to sit in on these meetings with these other chairs, and it has created a caucus of nine, a majority of council, and the council has 16 members.
00:04:37.220And this is controlling things. And it's not just a question of controlling agendas, it's also a question of access to information.
00:04:44.040And so if your councillor is on the outs, your councillor is expected to ask a department head for information about, you know, about, you know, some breakdown in your neighbourhood, and you may or may not ever get an answer.
00:05:01.660And this is, of course, ridiculous, that you can't get answers through the committee heads, the committee chairs, but rather you're supposed to go back through the department, like you're a glorified plebe.
00:05:09.680And there are council members who've been on executive policy committee in the past, who are now on the outs, and who are very vocal about how, you know, about how discriminatory this is towards the voters of Winnipeg.
00:05:24.540And the best example I can give you is, and I haven't made a stink of this locally here yet, because I really haven't done much journalistically yet so far this year.
00:05:32.520The east side of the city, Transcona, East Kildonan, North Kildonan, are not on EPC, and there are repeatedly decisions that are being made that are contrary to the best interests of that entire district, and not just in terms of the EPC side, but at committee where these EPC members are steering and guiding development decisions in neighbourhoods.
00:05:55.300So the councillors may, in one instance, vote against an amendment to the development plan in a particular part of the district, and then at committee, Brian Bowman's acolytes decided to overturn it.
00:06:07.660But if you did that in their own wards, they would crap themselves.
00:06:12.200And one of them, as much said so, in a debate after the vote I'm referencing, where something else came up and the councillor said, well, this would take away my authority in my own ward, and I don't like this.
00:06:27.200Bowman, like Nancy, is very big on the fluff, very big on the hand-holding, not very good when it comes to managing a pocketbook.
00:06:35.000Bowman, you know, late in his first campaign began describing himself as a small businessman, and I've made the point repeatedly, I've never heard of a lawyer with a small practice in the specialty field of privacy law.
00:06:49.260There's no evidence that he ever made any kind of substantive dent.
00:06:53.460I know myself that I've done things in using freedom of information requests that have changed government policies, changed government practices, that's exposed serious issues within government, whether it was the use of whiteout to change rules for entry to the boxing and wrestling licensing realm, or whether it was exposing Eric Robinson, the deputy premier's latent racism about white do-gooders.
00:07:17.460I don't know if Brian Bowman ever did anything in the realm of privacy or privacy laws that affected any genuine social change, but he touts that as a way of saying, I'm a lawyer, or I was a lawyer.
00:07:28.660And on top of that, he claims that because he was a partner in a firm, that somehow that made him a small businessman.
00:07:35.660So he lives in a world of illusion, he does.
00:07:38.660And part of this is the illusion of transparency with a budget process where meetings are scheduled concurrent to other committee meetings that councillors have to attend.
00:07:48.660So while you can come to committee, you can ask the department heads and the sub-heads about the budget line items for, you know, snow clearing or this or that, but in fact, the councillors don't have equal and equitable access because they have other obligations they have to attend to.
00:08:04.660Yeah, and you know, you and I were talking yesterday, Winnipeg has some very real problems that need to be addressed instead of this, you know, petty squabbling and arguing at the city administration level.
00:08:19.460So, 44 murders in 2019 and two more already, and instead of dealing with the, I hate to say root causes because it sounds like such a Trudeau word, but instead of dealing with the reasons why there are 44 murders happening in 2019,
00:08:37.560you've got councillors in Winnipeg who are trying to replicate the lack of success dealing with the murder problem in Toronto by introducing a gun ban in Winnipeg.
00:08:53.520And you and I, again, we were talking off camera, this sort of stuff might fly in Toronto, where you can go your entire life without ever really leaving Toronto or the big city,
00:09:03.540but people in Winnipeg, you're maybe one generation away from the farm, you understand, you know people who don't live in the city,
00:09:11.740and so, you know, people understand that this kind of stuff really doesn't do anything to address the problem with gun violence and crime.
00:09:20.720Well, this is, again, an example of one of these woke councillors.
00:09:25.240Sherry Rollins was a Winnipeg school trustee who became chair of finance, and if I'm remembering correctly,
00:09:32.000under her term as chair of finance at the Winnipeg school division, we saw the highest tax rates increases ever.
00:09:41.640There isn't a seemingly a minority group that she won't find a way of identifying with tangentially one way or the other in her so-called lived experience.
00:09:52.980The murder that got Rollins deciding that she could, you know, plug a dime into her headline generator occurred at the Windsor Hotel.
00:10:03.940Now, the Windsor Hotel up until a couple of years ago, although it's an old hotel, and it's getting run down.
00:10:09.060It's in downtown Winnipeg, and it's Kitty Corner, literally Kitty Corner, the location of the new police station, the former downtown post office.
00:10:18.420And the last couple of years, the Windsor's gotten to be a much rougher, it's attracted a much rougher crowd.
00:10:22.880It always attracted a sort of a questionable crowd as a blue, it became a, had achieved some fame as a blues bar.
00:10:29.080And the hotel itself is a, like a, you know, probably the level one step above a fleabag.
00:10:36.500But the last couple of years, it's become a more dangerous place to be around.
00:10:40.060It's attracted more of a, of a disreputable clientele.
00:10:43.900That's also because gradually a lot of the previous hotels in Winnipeg that maybe had some of that kind of traffic go through it, that those places have disappeared.
00:10:52.860And so there's fewer and fewer places for the Shkutzim to show up.
00:11:18.840And right away, you know, people jumped to some conclusions based on the name of the deceased.
00:11:25.240But from my research into the deceased and from what I've seen, this was an example of actually a success story in terms of a family that came from the proverbial war-torn Somalia, was dumped in, I think, Khartoum, emigrated to Canada as refugees.
00:12:48.920Furthermore, the controversy wasn't so much her saying this, although she is the first Winnipeg politician to try to make hay.
00:12:59.820I mean, Mayor Bowman has said he favors a handgun ban, but that was not in relation to any kind of municipal order or anything like that.
00:13:08.060But yesterday at the police press conference, Constable Rob Carver, who's a hell of a smart cop and a good guy, Rob just shot this down immediately, that this will make no impact on their workload.
00:13:20.620They are not seeing murders committed with legally obtained firearms in the possession of illegal owners.
00:13:26.240There was, I think, six shooting deaths last year in Winnipeg, and I'm not sure they were all handguns.
00:13:34.360Some of these would have been shotguns or perhaps improvised devices.
00:13:38.660It is simply not a big problem in Winnipeg.
00:13:43.040And Winnipegers recognize that a handgun ban is not responsive to what's going on on the streets.
00:13:51.620Now, if Sherry Rollins wanted to demonstrate something other than political opportunism, which I realize might be kind of tough for her, given that she directly referenced John Tory, if she was smart, she'd be calling for a ban on machetes.
00:14:10.780Because when you've seen this raft of store robberies in Winnipeg, the liquor store invasions, there were machetes used in those.
00:14:22.520And Winnipeg does not have a machete culture, if you want to talk about gun culture in the West and whatever, which I, by the way, believe certainly exists and is justifiable.
00:14:33.820There's no machete culture in Winnipeg, not even among the Filipino community.
00:14:40.300Now, there's something that Sherry Rollins could propose, a ban on the sale of machetes in Winnipeg.
00:14:45.740I'm pretty certain that that would fall under the jurisdiction of city council.
00:14:49.800They restrict the sale of spray paint.
00:14:57.620The sale of rubbing alcohol is restricted in Winnipeg.
00:15:02.040I don't know if that's by a civic convention or just something the police recommended.
00:15:05.480But if you ban the sale of machetes, that would actually go a lot further to protecting public safety in Winnipeg.
00:15:11.380And more Winnipeggers would get behind it because they would understand that.
00:15:17.700But Rollins, you know, the money quote from the CBC interview was, I have a very different job than Constable Carver.
00:15:25.480He deals every day with downstream impacts of gun crime.
00:15:28.400My job is making sure I'm doing crime prevention through social development in the city.
00:15:31.860How social development is the main job of a city councillor is hard to identify.
00:15:47.860And Carver's quote response was, it might make some people feel good, but it will not change the threat level one iota.
00:15:54.120And so today there's, you know, some of the woke crowd continues to fall behind this great idea and they're getting picked off on Twitter by some of the common sense crowd.
00:16:06.120And if they are mentioning Chicago or Baltimore or some other place, they're pointing out that this is, you know, very much a stay in your lane kind of situation.
00:16:17.280Well, that's a good segue into the next thing I wanted to talk to you about because it is, you know, woke people wanting to ban things.
00:16:25.640And it comes ironically from the Winnipeg Free Press, which I guess their name is also ironic because they wrote an op-ed that was unsigned, which I thought was kind of interesting,
00:16:41.160that they want to censor so-called climate deniers, which I suppose would include me, because I just don't believe that taxes change the weather unless it's for the worse.
00:16:54.360Well, not technically. I've been waiting, but, you know, our taxes go up, but the weather here definitely hasn't changed to, you know, any great extent.
00:17:02.740This editorial irked a lot of people because even people that are environmentalists, and there are a number of environmentalists in Manitoba
00:17:10.940who do not agree with various climate change practices and policies, some of these ideas are backwards, even with regards to Lake Winnipeg.
00:17:18.380And Councillor Klein, Councillor Nason, wanted steps taken that could more immediately reduce the phosphorus level in the lake.
00:17:27.320And this met with opposition because immediate action isn't as sexy as the longer term, built the taxpayers for a lot more billions.
00:17:34.680So I'm surprised the free press didn't get even more blowback from that editorial than they did,
00:17:41.000but I think the fact that it became unsearchable very quickly might have helped quell the fires.
00:17:47.600But again, coming from a newspaper that in the last 10 or 15 years has become, you know, increasingly attached to federal liberal governments,
00:18:00.220federal liberal causes, it's just very disappointing if they, you can run an editorial,
00:18:08.700but if it isn't strong enough for you to let it stand, and it's also remarkable coming from a newspaper that, again,
00:18:15.00010 or 12, 10 years ago or so, came out strongly against the CRTC censoring a particular radio program in the East,
00:18:21.440or I think in Quebec, so they're all for free speech, unless it's, you know, in their pages.
00:18:29.840And then it's like, we don't want to hear so-called climate denial in our newspaper,
00:18:36.100and it shouldn't be heard anywhere else by our newspaper.
00:22:04.540So, yeah, every, every time the Jew haters can't help themselves.
00:22:09.260So, you know, the, the event on Saturday was remarkably unremarkable.
00:22:14.660I think it would have been a very different scene.
00:22:17.460Uh, I, there did not seem to be a, um, and people who were opposed to the Iranian regime.
00:22:24.360But you can be sure in the broader context that, uh, you know, our conclusion, and, and I say this, uh, uh, in part because we were educated, Ron and I, by the best.
00:22:36.620That would be his father, Yoram HaMizrahi, who knew a two or a thing or two or three about intelligence gathering and analysis as, uh, among other things, commander of Israeli forces in southern Lebanon.
00:22:47.680Uh, you know, it's pretty evident that this, uh, that, how do I put this?
00:22:52.220The evidence strongly points towards the notion there was somebody on that plane that needed to be eliminated from the regime's point of view, somebody caring, whether it was a chip, whether it was knowledge between their ears.
00:23:03.920This is in our estimation, we're not experts, don't have any information on what we've gathered from usual news sources.
00:23:14.660Now you look at the Canadians that died of whom there's, and this has had a lot of reverb in our country because the people that died.
00:23:22.220None of them have been identified as activists, rabble rousers, uh, protesters, um, political organizers, not one that I've seen so far from Edmonton, from the East or from Winnipeg.
00:23:39.400These were, um, peaceful, polite, highly educated human beings.
00:23:46.500Yeah, it's, it's, the reverb is such that, uh, we know somebody who's related to, there's a mother and, and, and son who died.
00:23:57.580We know somebody who's related to them through marriage.
00:24:07.960Uh, and, uh, this clearly is a chilling message because frankly, anybody who leaves Iran to come to North America or presumably the, uh, East, the European union, uh, and comes here to be a woman scientist in one case.
00:25:07.500And, and, and that, that anybody in this country, uh, I mean, the one good thing about, about the conflict, uh, that emerged in, uh, in terms of the, the, uh, U S, uh,
00:25:22.060flexing their muscles, so to speak, it, it has drawn a lot of the creeps out of the woodwork.
00:25:29.780I, I mean, you've seen it where you are obviously and the broader national context, but you can see who the imbeciles are.
00:25:36.300They don't understand the difference between supporting, you know, the, the sovereign rights of a national state, uh, and, uh, supporting terrorism, supporting, uh, uh, murderous, uh, ideologues.
00:25:51.640Uh, unlike Toronto and the Winnipeg police were certainly concerned.
00:25:55.960They didn't want to, didn't want to have a Toronto situation on their hands, but unlike Toronto, you did not have the same degree of Hezbollah supporting signs.
00:26:05.860You know, it was much more muted here than in Toronto.
00:26:09.660And, uh, it's especially shameful that the Jewish members of the Trudeau cabinet, uh, have, uh, uh, not raised their voices publicly.
00:26:19.200Jim Carr, uh, what's the guy from Toronto?
00:26:24.220But they got to speak up about this because, uh, this affects, uh, Jewish and Christian communities in Canada too.
00:26:30.720They need to show some leadership and instead they're showing followership and it's a disservice to Canadian voters and a disservice to, to Canadians who, who let there be no mistake.
00:26:42.340And, and, uh, uh, this was, is not news to people that have followed this for, for decades.
00:26:48.360This strain of Islamism in Canada is growing.
00:27:25.380Um, I want to talk to you about something else that you guys have been covering at the J.ca and that is this series of, well, you've done a series of stories, two stories, I think, about these anti-Semitic faxes.
00:27:38.480So it's like going back in anti-Semitic time, um, uh, that are popping up, I guess, in Winnipeg.
00:27:48.620The root of it is in an incident in 2014, uh, where, uh, a fellow who, uh, had some very legitimate concerns about the way things were being run at Winnipeg City Hall.
00:27:58.540Uh, and, uh, he expressed them, but he, he framed his, his concerns about, uh, sideways land dealings and favored, uh, you know, favored sales and such things.
00:28:09.300Legitimate concerns that are still being discussed, debated in Winnipeg to this day, uh, including in a civil suit the city has brought up now, uh, in relation to the police headquarters.
00:28:20.920But this guy framed everything through a, the lens of an anti-Semite.
00:28:25.360I actually have the original Schittler's list.
00:28:28.640I've never moved it from, like, within arm's length of my desk here, strangely enough.
00:28:34.680Uh, and, and it was, uh, a diatribe about, uh, at the time, uh, Mayor Cates, other people that he's, he was linked to, or, and still is, presumably, whole bunch of, any Jewish name that came across any, anything at City Hall during that time period.
00:28:50.460This guy put out something called Schittler's list.
00:28:52.840Well, lo and behold, a fax had gone around to a number of law offices in Winnipeg, uh, where this, a fax had been sent around called the, uh, 2020 Schittler's list.
00:29:06.160And this had many, uh, a couple of the same names as the prior list going by memory.
00:29:13.500But basically, if you were a Jewish lawyer and you'd run into trouble with the law society, which happens to lawyers of all religious background, your name's on the list.
00:29:24.340And some of it was in the realm of gossip.
00:30:04.860Um, now, uh, this was brought to our attention, not only from the newspaper side, but because at the end of the year of last year, because of incidents, including things like what's going on in Toronto, Ron announced the formation of something called Shomrim, which would be community patrols.
00:30:21.840Uh, uh, uh, and this would be a response unit.
00:30:25.980So for instance, uh, Sheila's garage gets hit with a, some sort of anti-Semitic graffiti.
00:30:34.280Uh, you, you tell me, uh, granted you're not in an urban area, but what would you do where you are in Alberta?
00:30:40.040So your instinct, you yourself, what would you do?
00:31:09.860Shomrim would come out with like a bucket brigade, would take steps to mitigate that, would examine the cameras if there are, would look around the neighborhood for evidence of other graffiti,
00:31:19.940and would try to, try to develop a profile.
00:31:22.240So Ron announced this at the end of last year, that this initiative, he was going to be undertaking this initiative for community patrols.
00:31:29.240So that, uh, uh, at least there's some eyes and ears out there, not just from a synagogue looking out their door, what's going on, but they would go around Winnipeg at different points, uh, not, it takes a half hour to get from one end of the city to the other in terms of where Jewish locations are.
00:31:50.660The next thing that happened was he gets contacted like 10 minutes later.
00:31:54.740This is like quarter after eight in the morning by a Jewish organization that said they had received a Schittler's list in December that was called 2019 and sent us a copy, which I provided to you.
00:32:07.680So you were able, without knowing who every lawyer was, you recognize, I'm sure some of the names and others you wouldn't have recognized.
00:32:22.760They moved up or down in the rankings a little bit.
00:32:25.740Uh, but what we determined was that either of these more recent Schittler's lists were a copycat.
00:32:31.900It has nothing to do with the guy that put it out in 2014, who was sued for defamation and sanctioned by the courts and who has been quiet as a church mouse since from our estimation.
00:32:43.740He was, you know, he's a very reactionary.
00:32:47.860Uh, uh, I think he would be called a far right kind of guy, but he's kept quiet.
00:32:52.200He doesn't want any more trouble with the cops or the courts.
00:33:09.260It's actually somebody from the Jewish community who was behind this, who's, uh, not had a good experience since immigrating here, has run afoul of various institutions and courts and whatever.
00:33:22.180And so following the Burmack's principle, and there's an awful lot of the Burmack's, uh, uh, Burmack's syndrome going around right now, where you have false flags being raised by people that are Jewish, normally Jewish, not necessarily involved in the Jewish community, involved in synagogues, involved with federation, involved with Jewish organizations necessarily.
00:33:46.980But either as a false flag to stir up stuff, to make it seem like anti-Semites are on the run, but really what they're trying to do is settle a few grudges and stir up stuff and, uh, and, you know, get their moment of glory, uh, without being named.
00:34:03.060So I can tell you, I'm, I guess that sort of wasn't apparent to you from the look on your face in our correspondence that in fact, the source is, uh, somebody who immigrated to Winnipeg, uh, uh, uh, uh, and who's been on the outs in the Jewish community.
00:34:17.280I, uh, there's, uh, the, one of the longest lists of court litigation I've ever seen on the court's page.
00:34:27.040And I've seen some long ones, uh, but, uh, all sorts of altercations with, uh, private alter, uh, not altercations, I mean, physically necessarily, but, you know, civil disputes over money practices, eligibility, uh, some of the, look, some litigation, this individual has been successful.
00:34:47.280They're convincing the court that they're agreed, uh, and they're clearly a clever individual, but they, they put this out and, and there's no real, you know, there's no positive purpose to it, but it upset a lot of, if I can use the term old Jews, the older members of our community were very upset by this Schittler's List point.
00:35:06.660And so the first two stories led to an explosion of interest in creating show marine programs.
00:35:12.000And there's more cities than that that have asked, um, uh, that have started asking, but in this case, it seems likely that it's going to be established Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal within the next 90 days.
00:35:25.800And so we got off in terms of the J.ca, uh, people go to the website, they'll, they'll be able to see those stories, uh, in terms of the front page, the, the, the news lineup of the, these faxes.
00:35:36.560And just to read it and, and realize not just how bizarre this is as an acting out exercise, but how bizarre it is, um, for somebody to, you know, the police didn't lay a hate crime charge because the Winnipeg police don't, their interpretation is that a Jew can't commit a hate crime against the Jewish community.
00:36:02.060And then as that was breaking out, the next story hit my desk, which was also a total head shaker.
00:36:22.700It was, it was, you know, in this day and age, I can't even believe that these pictures are being taken even as a joke.
00:36:34.320I just, it's so, it was shocking to see it.
00:36:37.800A Friday afternoon, while we're still working on this copycat backstory a little bit.
00:36:45.320And there's other things, man, there's stuff going on here that, that we have not yet gotten to, uh, in the middle of this run says, hang on your hat.
00:37:05.220And then, and we've cropped that picture.
00:37:07.320So it's in an apartment and there were some things on the wall, nothing bad, but it was a normal, like very normal, nice looking residential Christmas setting.
00:37:16.980But when you look at the picture, you see there's somebody else with their hand, you know, on the kid's shoulder and the other arm like this.
00:37:24.220You could see he's, somebody's writing, putting seemingly another swastika on the kid's back.
00:37:30.120So this child, uh, who is, we've learned, uh, barely teenaged.
00:39:22.140And then the parent, now the parents were stuck and they actually went to Shomrim to Ron and asked him to get involved in terms of like calling the authorities.
00:39:36.020And this was a long discussion among a lot of people, including us consulting with a child psychologist about, you know, what do you do as a reporter?
00:39:47.420Am I going to phone up the father and go, Hey, sorry to catch you, you know, before, you know, youth sports practice, but so I can't do that.
00:39:58.260I think now I think you're, and you're handling it more carefully than the CBC would the CBC would have doxed everybody in that entire family.
00:40:09.960I, we, we had this on the Friday and sat on it through the weekend.
00:40:15.400And when we, uh, got more information about how this was spreading in Regina, the concern that was being raised, people talking to professionals there, should they go to the, you know, like what's the order of operations?
00:40:29.040You go to the school first, you go to the cops first, you go to the, whatever children, child and family services is called Regina.
00:40:34.800This caused a lot of angst among parents in Regina.
00:40:40.160I mean, this is a playmate of their, uh, of their own children.
00:40:44.420Uh, but we learned that threats as this started to spread and the reverb happened, we learned that.
00:40:55.180It wasn't a direct threat, but, uh, there was a suggestion that children attending other schools might want to tune up some kids who told their parents.
00:41:07.560Uh, so, you know, at that stage, you can see that this, there's a little less childlike innocence behind this and maybe a little more malevolence.
00:41:20.720Regardless, uh, regardless, the matter was reported to police and to school authorities.
00:41:26.000Ron is in, in communication with some of these, uh, parents, uh, in Regina and, uh, I've not yet contacted, although by the time, as we tape this, I've not contacted, uh, Jewish community officials in Saskatchewan.
00:41:42.100Although you notice, no announcement as of yet from them, CBC did not pick up on the story, although a CBC reporter was interested in it.
00:41:50.680CBC as of today has not published anything as of, as of this taping.
00:41:55.060CTV, Leader Post, uh, Star Phoenix, I'm trying to remember what the media outlets are in Saskatchewan.
00:42:21.420Uh, and whether it's documentaries, home movie footage, you know, that kind of stuff.
00:42:25.920I mean, this, in some, it's very disturbing.
00:42:28.380And, you know, uh, for a, a, a kid, you know, around eight, nine, ten, and they, you don't have parental controls on, and they start seeing stuff.
00:42:39.300Um, I, I, I just am saying that even in, in our heyday, where World War II was always discussed, it was all over TV shows, uh, whether it was shows like, uh, you know, combat, or whether it was shows like Hogan's Heroes with the, you know, trying to put a comic spin on.
00:42:58.940And the war, nobody ever thought it would be a good idea to take a marker and start dab, painting swastikas all over yourself and give the salute and, and pose for a picture and send the picture around to people.
00:43:13.100It's so far removed from the realm of a joke, uh, that, that, uh, clearly there needs to be, and I, and I'm not a fan of the, you know, unnecessary intervention in family business with this by the state.
00:43:44.620Is this what's going on in, in, you know, in other communities in our country where kids have this mistaken belief that it's a good belly laugh.
00:44:50.600So that the anti-Semitism and, and anti-Zionism could be peddled here under the guise of human rights and justice and, and, uh, whatever.
00:44:58.500And then the, the knock, but they marched that, that, uh, was, was intercepted and where there was a detente attempted with the BDS leaders, the Palestinian leaders in Winnipeg.
00:45:34.580And so the silence of Jewish federations and CJ, et cetera, uh, that this isn't going to serve our purposes.
00:45:40.680And I went through, you know, some of my own family, my family history, uh, uh, uh, my grandparents and my, and my parents and Jewish institutions and Zionist federation.
00:45:51.660And basically it was a call to action.
00:45:54.020And also in all the branches of Joe laser and the Jewish federation that he thinks that the siege is the way to go.
00:45:59.860And, and we think that institutional, um, Jewish community organizational, you know, the way they approach these things too much diplomacy, not enough action.
00:46:10.280So at the end of my piece, I'm just finishing it up and my phone rings and it's a name comes up on the phone, all capital letters.
00:46:21.200So generally that's a spoof call when it's all capital letters.
00:46:23.920Most people don't type their own name in, in capital letters.
00:46:25.840So I ignored the call and I looked the name up and thought, well, you know, just in case it's a local and the name hit with a unique spelling of a first name.
00:46:35.360And it hit on Facebook of somebody who's a teacher in an inner city Winnipeg school.
00:46:40.460Well, well, okay, at the very least that poor person's being spoofed.
00:46:45.340And, um, I, I'm not very comfortable with this, with the nature of this call.
00:46:52.280And I phoned Ron and I played the call for him and he went, he went through the roof, his wife, Shirley, right through the roof.
00:46:59.140And I said, look, let me, you know, they want me to call the cops.
00:47:04.180And to me, the cops have, I know the cops have way better things to do on New Year's Eve than worry about a prank call.
00:47:11.180And so I left it and I didn't, I said, well, you know, let me think about it and I'll, I'll call you back.
00:47:17.320And I thought about it and I phoned the number back.
00:47:19.500And, uh, a person answered and I ascertained that the person had borrowed their phone.
00:47:25.300I'd lent their phone to somebody else to make a phone call.
00:47:28.180And, uh, everybody involved had been drinking heavily.
00:47:34.100The call said, was like a, a polite female voice.
00:47:39.920And it said, hi, I'm calling from the Society of Cheap Jews.
00:47:44.940We're just taking a survey to see if you're a cheap Jew too.
00:47:51.600Oh, and we just got one reference on you.
00:47:53.900So Marty, yes, you're a cheap Jew too.