Manitoba takes baby steps to rein in its out-of-control Human Rights Commission
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Manitoba takes some baby steps to rein in its out-of-control Human Rights Commission. It's a small step towards good news, but that's the problem with it. You have to pull a weed out by the roots.
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Hello, my Rebels. Today I take you through a very modest proposed law in Manitoba that reforms the
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Human Rights Commission out there. It's baby steps, but these days we'll take what we can get. I'll
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show you the good, the bad, and the ugly of it. But before I do, let me invite you to become a
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and you get the video version of this podcast. Okay, here's the show.
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Tonight, Manitoba takes some baby steps to rein in its out-of-control Human Rights Commission.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my
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Manitoba has introduced some amendments to its human rights law. I'll show them to you in a
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moment. It's a small step towards good news, but that's the problem with it. You have to
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pull a weed out by the roots. You don't want to just trim its leaves. Look, Canada's Human Rights
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Commissions are not real courts. We already have real courts, lots of them. Criminal courts,
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civil courts, provincial courts, federal courts, tax courts, divorce courts, and of course,
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all of those courts I've just mentioned deal with rights, human rights, the Charter of Rights
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and Freedoms that limits all the laws in Canada. So why would we need a special non-court to also
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deal with human rights, especially non-courts that are staffed by non-judges? What a mess.
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Now, I know the answer, at least the answer that was used at the time back in the day.
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These human rights commissions were deliberately loosey-goosey to catch anyone who fell through
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the cracks. These things really got started in the 1960s and 70s, these human rights commissions. So
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they'd be, it was said, I don't know, for an Aboriginal person who was denied a ride on a Greyhound
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bus or a black person or a gay person who was kicked out of an apartment because they were black or
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gay. They said it would be used as a shield, not a sword, to protect the underdog. But you're
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probably thinking, is that necessary in 2020? I mean, if you fire someone for being black, let's say,
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that's covered by employment law. That's wrongful dismissal. If you fire someone for being black,
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get ready to be sued for a lot of money as ordered by a real court. Employment law is a real thing
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already. Or if you're in a labor union, labor law. There are labor boards, labor tribunals that are
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a kind of specialized court for that. You don't need a human rights commission also.
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Same thing with apartments. An example I used before, most places have a specialized landlord
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and tenant board, like a mini court with a specialty in that field. And I should say,
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both the labor board and the landlord and tenant board, in every place I've studied it, and I've
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actually, years ago, been a lawyer in some of these commissions. They're very underdog friendly.
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I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy the lopsided law of being a landlord in a landlord and tenant
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dispute. Same with being an employer in a unionized shop. So why do we need human rights commissions
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again? Why exactly? You can't fire people for being the wrong color or the wrong religion or wrong
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sex or sexual orientation. You can't. You can't kick someone out of an apartment for that reason
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either. You'll be sued in both cases, in real courts. And demographically speaking anyways,
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Canada's biggest cities these days are already majority minority. Toronto, Vancouver. Imagine
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being a landlord and not renting to someone who's a visible minority in Toronto or Montreal.
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It's really not a real life problem. Actually, the opposite is now true. As we showed you a while
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back on Rebel News, there is now Muslim-only tax-subsidized housing in Toronto. Defended
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by the city is perfectly proper discrimination. So much so they kicked a white guy in a wheelchair
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off the waiting list. So yeah, where's the Human Rights Commission? Anyways, my point is,
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there's no real purpose for these Human Rights Commissions that can't be better handled by the
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real courts or by expert tribunals or commissions on a particular subject matter. There's just no reason
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anymore. But keeping with the weed analogy, they're not simply going to go away now that we've discovered
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the uselessness. So they engage in what's called mission creep. There really isn't a lot of racism or
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sexism or even homophobia in public life in Canada anymore. There just isn't. I mean, a stat I like to point
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to is how women now overwhelmingly dominate university campuses. There are far more women enrolled in
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universities now than men, including in professional fields like medicine and law.
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So what does the Human Rights Commission have to do? Well, they've got to look for trouble now. They've
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got to look for problems, maybe stir up problems, because otherwise they won't be able to justify
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their work. They'll have to get a new job, which is exactly why Jonathan Yaniv has been able to hijack the
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B.C. Human Rights Tribunal for years to terrorize and shake down minority immigrant women, as you know,
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by demanding that they wax his private parts, saying he's got those transgender rights. Tell a human
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rights advocate 50 years ago that their human rights tribunal would be used by some fat white guy
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to force immigrant women to wax his private parts, and they'd call you crazy. They'd say,
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no, we are trying to protect immigrant women. But it happened. Like I say, mission creep. And in this
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case, Yaniv is the creep. Shut him down. Just shut him down. Hurt feelings is not a thing. There is no
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human right not to be offended. That's a fake way of saying the power to censor. That's not a real human
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right. I've long advocated the absolute shutdown of these legal menaces. Fake courts run by fake judges
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enforcing fake rights for fake victims going after real money, though. The process is the punishment.
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See, complainers don't have to pay for lawyers. They don't have to pay the costs of the matter if
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they lose, unlike in the real court. They just make a complaint, and then they'll walk away with 10 grand,
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no matter what. But I'm happy to say that some news comes from Manitoba that they're at least pruning
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their weed. Not weeding it out by the root, but pruning it. Here's the story. Manitoba Human Rights
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Commission awards for damage to be capped. Bill. Let me read it. The Manitoba government has
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introduced legislation that would cap the amount of money the Promises Human Rights Commission can
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award. Justice Minister Cliff Cullen said the proposed change would speed up the process to
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get decisions. Right now, we have a three-and-a-half to four-year wait for hearings, he said Tuesday.
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So when someone submits a claim, it takes up to four years to get it done. This legislation allows
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to expedite the process. Like I say, the process is the punishment. Imagine three-and-a-half years
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in a kangaroo court to have your hurt feelings adjudicated. I suppose that's good for the
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complainer, and it's good for the lawyers and the bureaucrats at the Human Rights Commission, but it's not
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good for anyone else. Let me read some more. The bill calls for a $25,000 limit on damages for
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injury to dignity. Feelings are self-respect, stemming from a human rights complaint. Currently,
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there is no limit. It would also allow the Commission's Executive Director to dismiss complaints
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that are being addressed in another forum, introduce time limits, and give authority to
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adjudicators to mediate complaints. Imagine that. That's shocking to me. The people right now can
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sue in a real court, but then sue for the exact thing and go for a top-up at this kangaroo court,
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just for kicks. That's called double jeopardy in most normal places. I should state the obvious.
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Both the Liberals and NDP in Manitoba oppose these minor changes. In fact, it's a bit of a miracle
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that the conservative government there even dared to introduce this bill. I won't be surprised if
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they lose their nerve after a few squawking editorials by the hard left-wing Winnipeg Free
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Press, which is now getting huge bailout money from Justin Trudeau, who just loves these human rights
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commissions. The bill isn't too long. It's 15 pages, most of which is just technical changes.
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There's only a few real changes. Let me read some of them to you. Here's one.
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The law now requires the chief bureaucrat of the Human Rights Commission to investigate a complaint
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and to do so reasonably quickly. Can you believe it? That's new. And look at this. The complaint can
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be thrown out now if it's crazy. That's new. It had to be preceded with before. Let me read.
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Dismissal of complaint without investigation. The executive director may dismiss a complaint
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or part of a complaint without causing it to be investigated if the executive director is of the
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opinion that it is frivolous or vexatious. The acts or omissions described in it do not contravene
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this code. It is not within the jurisdiction provided by this code. Its subject matter is being
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or has been dealt with appropriately according to a procedure provided for under another act
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or additional proceedings in respect of it would not benefit the person against whom this code is
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alleged to have been contravened. So I call this the Yaniv Amendment. That last point is interesting.
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It means you can't go in to these human rights commissions as some sort of busybody claiming you're
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a white knight championing some other person who is discriminated against. You have to, you know,
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have a claim yourself or get out. So the commission can throw out junk complaints even before investigating
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them if they're ridiculous on the face of it. But here's another innovation. After they investigate
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them, and if they are found to be junk, they must throw them out. That word must is in there.
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Dismissal of complaint after investigation. 29.1. Following the completion of the investigation into a
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complaint. The executive director must dismiss the complaint or a part of the complaint if the
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executive director is satisfied that A, it is frivolous or fixations. B, the acts or omissions
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described in it do not contravene this code. And the rest of the list is the same before.
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Can you believe this wasn't in there before? So the Human Rights Commission may throw out junk
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complaints without even investigating them if it's so obvious. And if they investigate them and confirm
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that they are junk, they must throw them out. I can't even believe that's new. I told you how
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these things dragged on for years. So there's some new timing rules. Here's one. Time period for
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commencing hearing. The hearing must be commenced within 120 days after the day the adjudicator is
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appointed, unless the adjudicator extends the time period at the request of a party. So it's still
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fairly loosey-goosey, but some hint at a limit. Here's another one. Time limit for making decision,
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41.1. Subject to section 2, the adjudicator must make a final decision respecting the complaint
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within 60 days after the day the hearing is completed. Yeah, get off your duffs, you lazy
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bureaucrats. They're not real judges. They're often not even real lawyers. They're pretend judges in a
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pretend court, and they like to take their time because they need to justify their budgets.
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But here's the most important part. Maximum damages for injury, 43.2.1. The amount of damages
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for injury to dignity, feelings, or self-respect ordered by an adjudicator under Clause 2c must not
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exceed $25,000 and must be proportionate to the seriousness of the contravention and its effects on
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the party. $25,000 for hurt feelings? That is still an extreme amount of money for hurt feelings.
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Our reporters here at Rebel often get physically punched, and so we sue them in a real court,
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like we sued Dion Buse, the thug who hit Sheila Gunn-Reed in the face. We went all the way to
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trial using our own money. We spent over $30,000, and Sheila in the end was awarded, I think it was
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$3,500, $3,500 for being punched in the face. So Manitoba will still allow hurt feelings to be paid
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$25,000. That's a shockingly high amount of money for a fake feelings crime. But right now,
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before these changes are implemented, it's literally unlimited. Just the other day,
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someone in Manitoba was awarded $75,000 for hurt feelings. What a bonanza. No wonder these human
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rights commissions are popular with malingerers and liars and losers and fakers. No real court would
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ever give you that. No real human rights advocate would regard hurt feelings as a human right. You
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don't have the right to feel good, and you don't have the right to make others feel a certain way
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either. The law in Manitoba still permits a shakedown. Even after this bill is passed,
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it's just a slightly smaller shakedown. This is a baby step forward. Like I say, I'll believe it's
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the law when it's actually passed. The Manitoba PCs have a habit of caving in. I hope they actually go
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through with this modest bill, but even if they do pass it, why are you just pruning a weed
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instead of pulling it out by the roots? Stay with us for more.
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Well, the last time I saw our next guest, we were together in Halifax, Nova Scotia,
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where a convicted confessed terrorist named Omar Cotter was being celebrated by Dalhousie
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University as a guest of honor, an honored speaker. It was grotesque. So many people at that event were
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cheering him, literally a standing ovation. It was good to see one fellow conservative reporter,
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I wouldn't even call objecting to Omar Cotter a conservative point of view, just a citizen,
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patriotic point of view. And I'm talking, of course, about my friend Andrew Lawton from
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truenorth.news, or tnc.news, who joins us now via Skype. Andrew, I'm sorry, I got, it's tnc.news,
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truenorth. And before we get into the news of the day, remind our viewers how they can watch
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your show. And then we've got a lot to talk about.
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Thank you. Well, if you go to andrewlawtonshow.com, it'll bring you to the page where all of the
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episodes of my show are posted. We're twice a week, and you can watch it on YouTube, or you can
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listen in whatever podcast form you like, whether it's Apple Podcasts, Google Play, or anything else
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Good. Absolutely. And folks, if you're watching this, that means you're a supporter of Rebel News,
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and I thank you for that. But we've got to support like-minded folks like Andrew and his team,
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Candace Malcolm, Anthony Fury, good folks over there. There are too few independent groups. And
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by the way, as you know, True North is fighting the Debates Commission alongside Rebel News. So
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they're- Yeah, and like you, we're still waiting for our checks, so we need the support.
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Yeah. You know what? Of course, you're referring to the check that Justin Trudeau was ordered
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to pay us for losing in court. That was in October, what's that, five months ago. But
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he doesn't pay us as quickly as he pays Omar Khadr. Anyhow, there's so much to talk about. I want to
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talk about a story on TNC.news. You're breaking down the expenditure of Trudeau's billion dollars
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for the Wuhan flu. And I call it the Wuhan flu because we say Spanish flu, or German measles,
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or Legionnaire's disease, or Ebola. All of these are named after the place where the disease was from.
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And this flu, this virus, was from Wuhan, China. I know, though, that Chinese communist propaganda
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says anyone who blames China, or names China, or calls it the Chinese flu, the Wuhan flu,
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is a racist. And the Chinese government itself is propagating this. What do you make of that?
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Should we stop saying- But it's not even just Chinese propagandists. Even American liberals
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are saying it's racist to call it the Wuhan flu. And by the way, the technical name in the early
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days was Wuhan novel coronavirus, because this is how you categorize things. The taxonomy is very
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important in epidemiology and virology. But of course, the GOP House majority leader had made a
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comment, or House minority leader, rather, had made a comment about the Chinese coronavirus. And then
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Ilhan Omar jumps down his throat saying unequivocally that it's racist. So now identifying the factual
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point of origin for a disease that's claiming thousands of lives is seen as offensive. And
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it's interesting. I mean, the World Health Organization, if you look at their updates,
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they have a whole page devoted to the Chinese numbers, because everyone knows this is a disease
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that originated in China, the disease caused by coronavirus. So I find it interesting that the
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propaganda from a state dictatorship has actually been embraced by the Western left.
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Yeah, well, the World Health Organization is dominated by China. In fact, they sort of shut
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out Taiwan, which they regard as a rival, which is a terrible idea, because you need Taiwan to fight
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this. They're so close physically. Well, just on that note, they actually list Taipei as a province in
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China when they list all of the other actual areas of China in this report. So they don't even recognize
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Taiwan as a country, even when it comes to saving lives. And Taiwan has a very different way of
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dealing with this. Taiwan has actually had a level of success in dealing with coronavirus that the
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Chinese government hasn't. But to the globalist World Health Organization, it's just a little line
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under the Chinese jurisdictions. Yeah, it's crazy. There's another reason I say Wuhan.
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It's because China's central biological warfare lab is in Wuhan. And maybe that's a coincidence. And maybe
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it's a coincidence that Justin Trudeau approved sending Ebola samples to this Wuhan lab. And maybe it's a
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coincidence that there have been Chinese spies frog marched out of Canadian virology labs for spying for
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China. Maybe that's all a coincidence. And it just happened that this thing started in Wuhan. Maybe.
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Well, I don't know if we'll ever know. It's like the Chernobyl explosion under the Soviet Union. We had to
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wait till the communist dictatorship fell before we got the full truth about it. But I say Wuhan flew on
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purpose. I also say coronavirus because I don't want to let China off the hook. They have a biological
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warfare program. And by God, it happens to be headquartered in Wuhan. I don't know if that caused
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the flu. I don't think any of us can say for sure because we don't know what's true or not coming out of
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China. Well, what we can say is that China and in particular Iran, which is the one I've been
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following a fair bit the last week, have done the world no favors by focusing more on containing
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information than they are on containing the virus. And you always can tell when one of these
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dictatorship or regimes is more focused on censorship and blocking access to information than it is on
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dealing with the problem. And in the case of China and Iran, I think that we can all say safely that
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their numbers cannot be trusted. And in China's case, I think very markedly we could see that in
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the early days they were trying to pretend there was no problem. And we've all seen the same reports,
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people that have been arrested for sharing information, people that have said, you know
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what, these crematoriums are running around the clock and the death rate that is being reported from
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the ground that is not in alignment with the official numbers that are being reported. So asking these
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questions is not only not racist, but I think it's irresponsible to not ask these questions.
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Yeah. You know, it's funny. I'm reading the story on your website.
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Trudeau announced about a billion dollars and some of it's going to
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bring home Canadians stranded around the world. I think that's a good idea.
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Some of it is going for personal protective equipment. I think that's a good idea.
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But I noticed in your in your report that two point six million dollars of taxpayers money is going to
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quote research on how to combat discrimination, racism and social media misinformation.
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I would expect that from the Chinese dictatorship. But Trudeau is literally spending two point six
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million dollars not fighting the virus, but fighting people like you and me who might say Wuhan,
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because apparently that's racist. But calling the German measles German measles ain't.
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I just think it shows that even in the midst of this crisis, Trudeau will put political correctness
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first. Well, yeah, that's actually I think the only thing they're interested in screening people
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for is whether or not they've tweeted anything unpleasant that uses the word Wuhan. So famously,
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the health minister, Patty Hajdu, had said a virus knows no borders. So the government was not going
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to do any border screening. But certainly if you try to enter Canada with a t-shirt,
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that says Wuhan flu, you'll be detained, not for having the Wuhan flu if you do,
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but for wearing a t-shirt that uses that term. Yeah, it's always the things that the government
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chooses to focus on the most minuscule and arguably ridiculous issues in comparison to the bigger
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picture. And look, like you mentioned, Ezra, a lot of those things that are being spent on
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are not unreasonable things. However, if you want to take a serious approach to containment,
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you have to stop for Canada being geographically removed from the point of origin of the virus.
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The one thing we could have done right from the get go was travel restriction,
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was travel screening, in some cases, shutting down points of entry altogether. I wouldn't have gone to
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shutting down land border between Canada and the US, but flights from China. I mean,
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why was everyone not subjected to quarantine coming from a hot zone? So the reality is the
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liberals didn't want to do what was ultimately settled on by a number of countries, even liberal
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countries, because they said it was racist. And even now, they're not acknowledging that the
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importation problem is going to be the number one way that this virus is spread within Canada.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's very interesting. And I think it's wrong. Viruses can be stopped at the border
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because it's not inevitable that we allow people to come in here. I suppose it's like when you have
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a border wall around your country, maybe you don't need to have high fences around individual homes.
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I don't know. I'll explore that analogy another time. I want to talk about one more thing in
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Canadian politics. I want to talk about the opposition party, the conservatives. Of course,
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there is a leadership race to succeed Andrew Scheer. It's a very high entry. I'm just covering a few
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bases that I know you've been following over at tnc.news. It's a very high barrier to become a
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conservative party leadership candidate. Maybe it's a reaction to having a, what was it, 14 candidates.
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The last time around, you need to raise $300,000. You need 3000 signatures in a variety of
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electoral districts. So far, only two candidates have met all those qualifications. Aaron O'Toole
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and Peter McKay. Give me an update on how are the other candidates doing and will they actually
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raise the 300 grand or is this going to be a two man race? Well, it's worth noting, Ezra,
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that 300,000 is just the part that goes to the party. You've still got to raise money on top of
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that to actually run a campaign. And if you want to so much as hop on a flight to go to a meet and
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greet or go to one of these debates, you've got to get there. So there's a cost that goes beyond
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that. That's just the part that the party takes. And some of that is refundable, assuming you don't
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break the rules. So look, they put these into place because they didn't want it to be an absolute
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clown show. You've got eight candidates that are at this point in the running, two that have met all
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of those criteria. Just yesterday, Derek Sloan, who's a social conservative and a first-term
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member of parliament, he submitted the second of three batches. So he's put in 2000 signatures
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and I think $150,000. So he still needs to raise the other half of the 300 and get 1000 more signatures.
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Of the other five candidates, none of them have so far advanced past that initial $25,000 buy-in
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and 1000 signatures. So we don't know how many of them are going to be on the ballot when all is said
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and done. They have until March 25th to do it. Listen, I think the one point that I raised,
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and this is especially true with the disqualification of Richard de Carie, is that it's one thing if you
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have a coronation, which in many respects people have said we're headed towards with Peter McKay.
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And I don't think it is as locked down as a lot of people might like to say. But the worst thing
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for the party were there debates and a campaign that did not reflect what is ultimately a party
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that has diversity among its members. So if there was a debate stage that had the Aaron O'Toole camp,
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the Peter McKay camp, and no social conservative voices, no libertarian voices, no one that's taking
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a bold fiscal stance, no one that's talking about immigration, the party and the country would be
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very underserved. And the reasons for that are twofold. Number one, I think these are issues that
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I personally care about in many respects. But the other part is that they prove if they have a race that
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doesn't have anyone talking about these things, that those things are no longer relevant to the
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conservatives and to the country. And that's very dangerous moving forward. If the only
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ideas that are talked about are ones that represent a small sliver of the conservative movement.
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Yeah, you're so right. I mean, there's not a lot of ideological diversity between
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Peter McKay and Aaron O'Toole. I know Aaron O'Toole would claim
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he's on the right. Peter McKay is not even claiming that. That doesn't reflect all the interests
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of the party. I don't think it's a good idea. And you're so right. If there was a fella whose
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social conservative views were odious to the party, let party members make that decision by not voting
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for him. I have no idea who made the decision to keep up Mr. Dukeri. I don't know. I find it a little
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bit depressing. And especially when we've watched in the United States, the rambunctious
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presidential primaries that the Democrats had where there were a lot of candidates.
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And I have to say, I was riveted by it because there were so many colorful characters.
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And it's sorting itself out. It's winnowing it down. I just feel frustrated that the conservative
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party of Canada is pre-whittling it down. And I really don't see a lot of excitement from
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either Aaron O'Toole or Peter McKay. I do want to disagree with you on one thing. I agree with you
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that Peter McKay looks like the front runner. He's got a lot of endorsements. He's
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probably the more famous name. But I see that Aaron O'Toole got the endorsement from Jason
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Kenny, who I think is the leading Canadian conservative right now.
00:27:29.980
Yeah, next to Stephen Harper. I mean, that is probably the most relevant endorsement to conservatives.
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Yeah, I think you're right. And also, Aaron O'Toole's campaign chairman is Waleed Solomon,
00:27:43.180
who's a Muslim activist. He's a lawyer for Norton Rose, very large law firm, represents Saudi Arabia.
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I know, because they threatened to sue me years ago, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
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Waleed Solomon is a great organizer in Ontario PCs. He was Patrick Brown's right-hand man. And don't
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forget, Patrick Brown had a sort of upset victory when he was running for party leader. I guess what I'm
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saying is if Waleed Solomon brings his organizational prowess to Aaron O'Toole, and if Jason
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Kenny gives his ideological blessing to Aaron O'Toole, those two things together might beat
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Peter McKay, the red Tory downtown lawyer. I don't think McKay has run away with it.
00:28:32.860
Well, and Jason Kenny, remember, is also in his own right a very good organizer. And I'm not sure
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there's going to be a lot of Alberta love for Peter McKay. So those two factors, as well as some
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others. And listen, the one thing that Aaron O'Toole has going for him that Peter McKay doesn't
00:28:47.420
is that Aaron O'Toole is free of baggage. No one dislikes Aaron O'Toole. In fact, he was in 2017,
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the caucus favorite. He had more endorsements than Andrew Scheer, more than Maxime Bernier.
00:28:58.300
Whereas Peter McKay right now has more caucus endorsements. But there are a lot of people from
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the old Alliance PC days that I don't think look favorably upon Peter McKay, or in general,
00:29:09.020
someone who is an old school PCer. And obviously, those people are getting older in their years,
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the people that were around then and would have a strong enough emotional reaction to someone. But
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no, I would agree that it's not locked down. And there are a lot of other moving pieces to this.
00:29:25.100
The one point that I would stress here is that, you know, Aaron O'Toole is at this point saying that
00:29:30.940
he is a lot more open to having those different factions of the so-called big blue tent represented
00:29:37.180
in his party. And I think that's going to go a long way, because we saw this with Maxime Bernier
00:29:41.420
in 2017. A lot of social conservatives did get behind Bernier, even knowing that he wasn't one,
00:29:47.980
because they trusted that he was going to allow social conservatives to be social conservatives.
00:29:53.820
And I think that's a very important distinction, where there was criticism that Andrew Scheer,
00:29:57.820
who is personally a social conservative, wasn't as amenable to those voices speaking up. And I
00:30:03.260
think we saw that during the election. So I do think there's a big opening for Aaron O'Toole
00:30:08.220
along that vein. Yeah. Well, I'm going to make a prediction right now that Aaron O'Toole
00:30:13.420
will be the surprise victor. I have no hard data on that. I don't think such a prediction can be
00:30:19.580
backed up by anything other than gut feel. I just don't think the raw information is available
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to pundits like us. Let me ask you the question that depresses me. Would either Peter McKay or
00:30:33.020
Aaron O'Toole be able to defeat Justin Trudeau if an election were held, let's say, next year,
00:30:38.460
as could be under this minority government? I don't like... So much can happen in politics. I mean,
00:30:45.740
we saw Justin Trudeau win re-election after having been found to have spent much of his adult life in
00:30:51.340
blackface. I mean, that's not something that I would have predicted if he would put that scenario
00:30:55.420
to me even three months earlier. I'd say, oh my god, no. For a guy like him, the king of the woke,
00:30:59.660
that's done. So I do think there's a path to victory for both. However, the one thing that I
00:31:05.340
would caution people on is that you get a lot of this from the left. Oh, if all conservatives were
00:31:11.420
like X, I would vote for them. And we hear this with Peter McKay now. Oh, well, if I mean,
00:31:16.780
Peter McKay was the leader, I would vote for him. But the second a conservative is the leader,
00:31:21.900
they become the new Hitler. And this is the problem, is that the middle of the media,
00:31:27.740
the independents, the people who are soft left, they only love the conservative who's not actually
00:31:33.100
in a position to do anything about it. I mean, we saw how many people in Ontario were saying,
00:31:38.220
oh, if Christine Elliott were the leader and not Doug Ford, I would vote PC. But if she were there,
00:31:42.860
she would have been the evil. Peter McKay is the same. If he somehow becomes the conservative
00:31:49.660
leader, it's going to be, oh, well, he's this, he was a Harper minister, and the name calling begins,
00:31:53.420
and they'll find someone else. Well, if only they were the leader, then I would vote conservative.
00:31:57.260
So I'm a firm believer, and don't capitulate to that, because when you cede that ground,
00:32:02.540
you move to this circumstance where the acceptable parameters of debate get smaller
00:32:09.580
and smaller on the right and larger and larger on the left. And it gets to the point where there's
00:32:13.980
no room for a true blue candidate, because the furthest right that we've allowed is someone who
00:32:19.900
10 years ago would have been considered a centrist. Yeah. Well, let me ask you one last question.
00:32:24.060
I guess it's sort of a personal question. We've interviewed three of the candidates.
00:32:28.700
We've extended an invitation to Aaron O'Toole and Peter McKay. I don't know if they're going to accept it.
00:32:33.500
Part of me thinks they don't want to accept an interview with Rebel because we'll ask some
00:32:37.500
prickly questions about truly conservative things. We'll ask about open borders migration. We'll ask
00:32:41.980
about political correctness. And, you know, they think we're probably a little bit wild and populist.
00:32:47.820
My thoughts on that is if you can't handle Rebel News, how are you going to handle the CBC that's out
00:32:53.980
to get you? How are you going to handle the tough liberal campaign? You personally have interviewed
00:33:01.420
a great range of political leaders in your time, especially on radio. You interviewed Justin
00:33:07.740
Trudeau himself. Do you expect to be able to interview these candidates or are they afraid
00:33:14.460
of you? Do they think you're too conservative? Give me your plans. I mean, don't give away any
00:33:20.540
secrets or anything, but do you think they're being too scaredy cat, these leaders?
00:33:25.820
What I will say is it's early days. I mean, the race is going till June. My plan is,
00:33:31.260
and I've extended invitations to all of the candidates. I haven't done any of the interviews
00:33:35.180
yet. I have a number scheduled, a number that I'm working on scheduling, and I have a couple
00:33:39.820
that I haven't really heard anything back from. So I won't get into the names of who's in which
00:33:44.860
category. What I will say is that if a conservative leadership candidate doesn't want to speak to
00:33:51.340
conservative media, there's a big problem because all the leadership candidates are doing interviews
00:33:56.220
on CTV, CBC, Global, etc., which is fine. But it's the conservative base that's going to get them
00:34:02.380
elected. The average CBC viewer is not going to buy a Conservative Party of Canada membership.
00:34:07.340
So if you're not prepared to speak to people who have audiences with conservatives, I think there's
00:34:12.860
a problem with the campaign strategy. Yeah, I think you're right. I think we do have that
00:34:17.260
problem. I think Andrew Scheer was partly infected by that problem. And I dare say it may have been
00:34:23.500
one of the reasons he didn't have the most enthusiastic support he had. We'll have to see.
00:34:27.660
Well, and Andrew Scheer, I will say, during the leadership, I think I had done three interviews
00:34:31.980
with him on my show. Shortly after he became the Conservative leader, I spoke to him at least two or
00:34:37.180
three times. During the election, I could not get an interview with him. And I think that's where we get
00:34:42.220
into the big problem here, is that if you want to be the voice for all Canadians, speak to Conservative
00:34:47.100
media, speak to Liberal media, speak to everyone. Just don't be afraid to articulate what your position
00:34:52.540
is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, I enjoy the banter with people who disagree with me. In fact,
00:34:59.500
that could be a very powerful moment for a Conservative to come on The Rebel and say,
00:35:04.380
well, here's where I disagree with you, Ezra. That could be a powerful moment. I'd be interested in
00:35:08.940
that. I mean, listen, we'll do our job no matter what. We, too, interviewed Andrew Scheer when he
00:35:12.860
was in his leadership race. But, boy, he didn't like our company afterwards. And I think it's
00:35:21.260
because we were pressing him to be Conservative. And he was more afraid of what the CBC would say
00:35:27.260
and do to him. He thought he could appease them. I don't think he could. Well, listen, if you land,
00:35:34.380
Peter McKay or Aaron O'Toole will be watching. And if you put it on YouTube, we'll embed that on our
00:35:40.700
website, too. I think it's sort of pitiful for these guys to avoid you or us or other Conservative
00:35:47.340
leaning sites. Because I think we do talk to the Conservative Party grass tops and the grassroots,
00:35:55.260
too. I want to be more optimistic. I want to be more positive. Right now, I don't quite
00:36:01.660
have the reason for that. But we'll we'll keep an eye on things. It's great to catch up with you.
00:36:05.420
Give us one more time a website where people can sign up for for your show. It's the it's
00:36:10.540
Andrew Lawton show dot com. Yep. Andrew Lawton show dot com or just head to TNC dot news and you can find
00:36:16.460
it that way. Great. Well, keep it up, my friend. Keep up the great work. And thanks for fighting
00:36:22.140
side by side with us in court against Trudeau censorship, too. We'll be back there soon. All right.
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There you have it. Our friend Andrew Lawton from TNC dot news. Lots of websites
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to follow. Thank goodness we're not alone at Rebel News anymore.