Muslim man CONFRONTS Avi Yemini on Israel-Hamas war
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Avi Yemini is back in Melbourne, Australia after covering the Hakka for Israel protest in Brisbane, where he was heckled by a Muslim man wearing a t-shirt that says "Justice" at the end of the protest.
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Do you believe Israel has the right to get rid of Hamas, who calls for the annihilation of the
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Jewish state and have shown that they're willing to commit any atrocity to get the job done?
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I believe Israel have the right to defend themselves, but not at all costs, not with collateral damage.
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Avi Yemini for Rebel News back in Melbourne, Australia, after a fantastic weekend in Brisbane,
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where I covered the Hakka for Israel protest. You've probably seen the video by now. It's gone
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absolutely viral. But something that didn't make the cut in that video was an interaction that
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happened at the end, where a Muslim man walked up to me to begin a conversation. A conversation
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that I think the entire world needs to watch. You're obviously wearing a t-shirt that says
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justice and you've got Al-Aqsa Mosque there. So what does justice mean to you? Justice means to me
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what's right. So let's say, for instance, if I came to your house, you still live in Melbourne,
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right? If I came to your house in Melbourne, bash your child, because I said, you know, I'm Aboriginal.
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So back in the day, this used to be, you know, my land or whatever it is. So if I just bash your
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child, kick your family out, is that justice to you? Simple question. Absolutely not. Absolutely
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not. So I'm for justice. What's right and what's wrong. You know what I mean? So based on that,
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do you condemn what Hamas did on October 7th? I condemn pineapples on pizza. You know, it's a
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ridiculous thing. If it is true what Hamas did, if they came in and they killed innocent people,
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100%. Any Muslim in the world would condemn that. So I don't know why that's the first question every
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time. Because if you look at the Quran, it says killing one person unjustly is like killing all
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of humanity, right? So that's the first question. So I'll ask you a follow-up question. Do you condemn
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the retaliation from Israel? Hold on a second. No, I don't because I think it's, there's a very
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big difference. So firstly, hold on. Let's step back a second and then we'll talk about that.
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I'll go there with you. But when you, so what I noticed, because it's not getting condemned by
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the Islamic community, it's not being condemned. What community are you looking at? You're seeing
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what's on Twitter, what's on Facebook. You're seeing what's there. If you went to the mosque.
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But even you, even you right now, when I asked you the question, you said, if it's true. So why are so
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many in your community questioning the truth when Hamas themselves put the videos up?
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Do you believe America knocked down the towers? Or did you believe like Osama Bin Laden and
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his six mates did it? Because it's a conspiracy. If you look at where they actually entered,
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that's the most, one of the most patrol borders in the world, correct?
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I know the border. I served there. That's my, that was my deployment.
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That was your deployment. You were there. I'm, I'm looking at non-Muslims. I'm looking at
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Muslims. I'm looking at a lot of Orthodox Jews as well that are saying there's a possibility.
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I'm not looking into the conspiracy of it. There's a possibility that it was allowed
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Even if, let's say, even if, even if, even if it was allowed to happen, that's, let's
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If they did what they did, I'll condemn it. A hundred percent.
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So what if I tell you that I was there, I've been there, I've seen it, I've also served
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on it and I have many of the same questions you have about how it happened, but I'm saying
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A hundred percent. If, if a hundred percent was true.
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Okay. So why is the first question ever, do you condemn what Israel had been doing since
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1945 with the preoccupation of lands and the innocent killings of people in West Bank?
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Because if we're talking Hamas, there's no Hamas in West Bank. True?
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There is. That's the biggest lie. There is actually, there is, there is Hamas in the West Bank.
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In Hebron, Hebron is actually, Hebron, do you know Hebron? Hebron. In West Bank. Yeah,
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that's in West Bank. So Hebron is actually run, that's the, that's a part of the West
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Bank that is, that is run by Hamas. You see, you don't know that because you know, so what
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In your time there, you saw Hamas in the West Bank.
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There's no argument about that. So what I would say to you is, I would invite you to come
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with me there and see it for yourself because a lot of the knowledge that you get, like a lot
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of the talking points that you're giving here, like Hamas doesn't exist in the West
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Bank, is fabrication. It's, it's, it's not true.
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According to Orthodox Jews and according to Muslims that live in the area, that's completely
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Which Orthodox Jews that live there? I know which Orthodox Jews you're referring to and
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I'd love to know the complete, what's the clinical definition of a Zionist?
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Zionist is somebody that believes in the Jewish state for the Jewish people, like a, like
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a, what you would call a patriot in Australia. So somebody that believes in Israel. That's
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No, not true. Most Zionists believe in two states.
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Not true. Most, most Zionists actually believe in two states.
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Right. So you're not talking about like the specific...
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All I'm saying is like worldwide, you see Orthodox Jews, because you don't have the curly
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things. You don't wear the hat. Like if I saw you on the street, you look like you're a
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lebo from Sydney. Honestly, that's, that's, that's how I would say. But they're on
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marching saying what Israel are doing are wrong. According to the Torah, it's wrong. So what
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I can tell you. See, they're from a group called the Natura Kauta. It's a specific, tiny,
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tiny sect in Judaism. Now, the reason why they stand against Israel is not for the reason
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that they're obvious, often used and, and elevated. Their message has been amplified by
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everybody, especially in the Islamic community. According to the scripture, they believe that
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Israel should not be controlled by Jews until after the Messiah comes. So it's, it's, it's
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actually just a religious argument. And there are many in the Orthodox community that believe
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that there's a tiny sect. So in the ultra Orthodox community that believe that there's
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a tiny sect that go as far as rallying with those that will kill the Jews. They are, they
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will rally with pro Hamas. They will side with Hamas. They'll go to Iran.
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The difference of opinion, what's in the scripture then? Would you say that's true?
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Sunnis, Shia, there's, there's splits, there's difference of opinion.
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Probably a good example, but even less than Sunni and Shia, because Sunni and Shia, you have,
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you know, 85% are Sunni, 15% are Shia. The difference here you're talking about in,
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in the Jewish context, that group probably is 0.001 of the Jewish community. They are, there
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are only a handful around the world and they like to make themselves present and, and they're,
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their message is often amplified. Let me put it to you this way. There are many Muslims
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that stand with Israel. So does that justify, does that make it true? Just because some
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Muslims around the world as well, but there are many Muslims that stand with Israel.
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Very few. In comparison, 1.8 million people live in Israel. Okay. But it's like, it's like
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Australia, right? Um, like if, if they were to commit atrocities, right? If any country was
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to commit atrocities, it doesn't matter who it was, America, New Zealand, if anyone commits
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atrocities, right? I believe at the end of the day, it should be condemned if the collateral
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damage outweighs what they're actually going to do. Similar to Israel, right? Israel are
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trying to get rid of Hamas. Statistics are in from the IDF that 60, or they say dozens,
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60 to a hundred Hamas leaders have died. And there's proof now that there's over 10,000
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children died. That's one to 100. So to kill Hamas, 30,000 Hamas members, 300 innocent million,
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oh no, 3 million innocent Palestinians need to die. According, according to statistics,
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that's released by the IDF. So let's just say, it's not released by the IDF. Hold on. It's,
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it's released by Mohammed Hijab who quoted the IDF. And then when he asked the source,
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there's no source. Show me the source. There is no source of that. No, they, yeah,
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they said 62 weeks ago, three weeks ago. Okay. So it's probably grown, right? In three weeks.
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Would you say it's grown? 200, 300. Is there anything on that? How many have killed? I'm
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just saying, I'm just saying really, if Hamas continued to go into Israel, sorry, and they
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were just dropping bombs because they said the IDF are terrorists. We've got to get rid of
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them. And the whole world was like, let's get rid of the IDF. That'd be bullshit. I'd stand
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against them because you know why? Because I'd hate to see little Israeli babies before
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they've even lived their life, whether they're Jews, because you do have Christians there
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too, right? You do have Muslims there. I'd hate to see it because they never even got
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to live their life. But my, my biggest thing that I will say is people in your position,
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whether you're Jew, Christian or not, you won't condemn, will you? The innocent killing
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of children in Palestine. Can you say that verbally? Would you be able to verbally say that?
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I feel, I feel, I feel. No, not feel. Would you condemn it? Because I condemn Hamas
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if they killed innocent people, but you can't condemn Israel for killing innocent people
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also on a larger scale, on a hundred times larger scale. So wait a second. So listen,
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so firstly, you question Hamas even killing them. Because I don't know. Okay, but then
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you believe Hamas's talking points about how many died and how many of them. It's not
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Hamas. It was Israel. Whether it was a shooting. They're not. They're not. Like the Daily Telegraph
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or whatever of Israel. It's not true. They were asked how many Hamas members in three
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weeks ago. So I'm telling you that that's not true, right? So it's a much higher number.
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And so it's a much higher number of, of, of terrorists that have been eliminated. And
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it's a much lower number than the tens of thousands that they're reporting.
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I think there's over 10,000 kids. No, I don't. I don't. Hold on. But let me ask you something.
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No, no. Hold on. How could you downplay that over 10,000 people killed? How can you downplay
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what Hamas published on October 7? How can you question what Hamas did? It's not that. It's
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not that. I'm just saying, you asked me before what's justice, right? Killing any innocent
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person to me is not justice. Okay. Fair enough. Is there a difference? Hold on. Is there a difference
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between going in and purposely targeting civilian, going home to home, butchering, raping, beheading,
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cutting the breasts off women, putting babies in ovens? Is there a difference? And kidnapping.
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They put babies in ovens. They did put babies in. And your evidence is? Hamas admitted it?
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They provided the evidence for all they see. I'm saying, I haven't read that. I haven't
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read that. So they put babies in ovens? Obviously they did that. Did you, did you, you,
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so again, again, one second, wait a second. My point is now you see, and then they took 240
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something hostages over to Gaza. Now compare that to an army trying to target the terrorists. Okay.
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Who committed those atrocities and in the process have killed innocent civilians, which is horrible.
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How can you compare one to the other? One where they purposely go.
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One was a ground war and the other was dropping bombs. 120%.
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How can you call that a ground war? How can you call that a ground war?
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Everything now say that what they did, like, like I said, I don't know their evident facts,
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right? Because I've never saw it. Let's pretend it's true. Cause you see, you see how you just
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accept Hamas's narrative, but everything else. I've seen bombs drop on innocent kids. So I've seen
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them die. What Hamas did and what they did, I don't know what they did. They published it for
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themselves. They published it for themselves. They ran live feeds. Do you know, you know, you know a lot
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about Islam because you've debated people a lot of times in Islam, you can't sever a body. Okay.
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You can't hurt women. You can't hurt children. You can't even hurt a tree. Okay. So you should
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condemn them outright and everybody should. Before October 7, most of the world, most of us didn't
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even know who Hamas was. All I'm saying is, have you read their charter? I haven't read their
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charter. Okay. Cause it calls for the annihilation of the Jewish people. A charter as well. Not, not,
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not like that, but it has similar ways on the charter. So tell me something in the IDF
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charter that's similar to it. I'm not educated on the IDF charter. All I'm saying is, and this
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is really basic. Okay. Hamas goes in, say they, they go in and everything's true. A hundred
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percent true. They mutilated people. They killed people. And we're talking innocent people.
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It wasn't IDF soldiers. Okay. That happened a hundred percent. That should be condemned because
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you're killing innocent people. Okay. At the end of the day, anyone would condemn that like
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Mohammed Hijab, he condemns that. Okay. No, he doesn't. Well, no, no, he doesn't condemn
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Hamas as a whole. He condemns that act. You condemn Hamas as a whole? I don't know. Enough
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about it. Let me, let, let, let me tell you. I don't condemn IDF as a whole, but I, I, you
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have to look at the individual situation. So what I believe a, a justifiable response for
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that to me, because if someone come to Australia, I'm Australian born and did that, I would want
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retaliation because someone killed my mom, someone killed my daughter. So my retaliation
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was let's just not drop bombs where we think they are. Let's infiltrate the area. Okay.
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So IDF have a huge army. Why aren't they going there on foot targeting actual Hamas? And you'll
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say, oh, well, they're putting kids on themselves as shields, right? Why aren't they going in
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there and fighting like real men? Why are they just dropping bombs?
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There's not as much though. There's not as much. There's, there's, there's bombs landing
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everywhere. So if you look at, at the end of the day,
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How do you know how to actually engage an enemy like that, that hides behind civilians?
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Well, for instance, the orphanage that had one Hamas leader there, hundreds of kids got
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killed. Will you condemn that? Will you condemn that? So you're talking one person died.
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I do know, but you're laughing when they say human shields. Why would a leader of Hamas
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Why, why I ask you that question. The more question is, I can condemn Hamas if they commit atrocities,
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but you can't condemn the IDF for killing hundreds of kids to kill one person. Do you
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Why are you putting the blame solely on Israel when the Hamas leader you're saying went into
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an orphanage at a time where they're being hunted for the atrocities they committed?
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Because you know why? There's videos of it happening. There's photos of all the little
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Yeah, but why are you laying that? Why are you laying? No, but I'm saying, I'm saying if it's
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true, why don't you condemn Hamas for using those children?
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Well, you couldn't send a sniper there to just headshot him?
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You condemn hundreds of people dying because of one person and you're saying, well, it's
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Imagine, I could only imagine if, like, people want, like, say, I don't even know how to
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say his name, the President of Israel, all these other big top shot Israeli people, if he
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was in one spot and the opportunity arose to kill him, but the collateral damage was
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hundreds of kids in Israel, no one would stand for that. That's disgusting. How could you
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Are you kidding me? You think the Arab world wouldn't take that shot?
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You're talking about Arab leaders. No, I'm talking about Muslims. There's a difference
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You think the Muslim world would not support killing Bibi Netanyahu if he was amongst kids?
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No, 100%. If that meant killing hundreds of people, I can get, I'll ask you.
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Honestly, I genuinely believe you're a good person.
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No, no, please do this because there's hundreds of Muslims here on the park. Just ask them a
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simple question. If Benjamin, what's he, how do you say his last name?
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Yeah, who, it's not even his real name. He'd change it. Anyway.
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That's Bibi. You're talking about, Bibi's not his real name. Benjamin Netanyahu is his
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He'd change it. It was like a weird, like not even, no. Or the other guy changes his name.
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You're talking about Avi Amini. He changed his name.
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Yeah. Anyway, all I'm saying, go out now. Make a request. Say, if Benjamin, whatever his
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name was, was in an orphanage, would you support dropping a bomb and killing hundreds of
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You know why I don't need to ask him? Because they all support October 7, where
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Hundreds of things. No, I'm saying, I haven't seen evidence, but I'm saying, if the stories
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I don't know what rock you're living under if you haven't seen the footage published by
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If I'm a Muslim and I search that, I can get locked up.
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If it's true that the Hamas leader was at the orphanage, it's wrong.
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If it's true that their, if it's true that their charter states that they want to rid the
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Like, the charter literally states they want the annihilation of the Jewish state.
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No, there isn't a double standard because you won't condemn the acts of terror from Israel.
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So if one person surrounds himself by kids, if the worst mass murderer surrounds himself
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by kids, that gives him a free pass for his crimes?
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At the end of the day, you're saying everything about what Hamas did.
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Do you believe that Israel should be annihilated?
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So why is it so hard to say that anyone that does should be condemned?
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He was the one who posted years ago, nice headshot.
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I regret some of the ways I spoke a few years ago.
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If you had your way, you wouldn't have said it again.
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Like it's taken out of context all of what I was saying.
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And I also condemn any acts from any individual soldier.
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Those are bad people in what is a good force trying to protect its civilians.
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Do you know how many Muslims say stupid things?
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I actually talked to you and you're actually really reasonable.
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So why do so many Muslims hate me for being a Jew?
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And they're talking about the annihilation of me, my people, my mum, my cousins, my brothers,
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my sisters, that you refuse to say is not okay.
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If they commit those acts, I said it's not okay.
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The charter that says they want to annihilate me and my family and my people.
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So in one section, it clearly states, Israel will exist and continue to exist until Islam
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will obliterate it just as it obliterated others before it.
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The martyr, Imam Hussein al-Bana of blessed memory.
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Like there has to be a clear separation, right?
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So if I bash this guy right now for no reason, are you going to blame me as a whole, me as
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a human, me as a group, or would you say that Muslim guy?
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If you wrote a Facebook post that said you want to get rid of all Asian people and you
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I'll blame you personally plus what you believe in and I would say we need to get rid of people
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So first what you have to make a clear distinction is, right?
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If that's in their charter, obviously that's not right because that's against the Qur'an.
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Do you support the IDF getting rid of Hamas who have a charter like that?
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Because there's no way to peace when there's a charter that says the other side doesn't
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Because at the end of the day, I'm not going to support one group or the other when I
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And justice doesn't mean dropping a bomb and killing hundreds of kids to kill one person.
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Ken, do you believe Israel has the right to get rid of Hamas who calls for the annihilation
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of the Jewish state and have shown that they're willing to commit any atrocity to get the job
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I believe Israel have the right to defend themselves.
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The innocent people of Palestine go to one spot.
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Those who want to fight, fight in a designated area.
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What do you think they're doing right now when they're telling civilians to go down...
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Meanwhile, in the North, you have Hamas leaders who are surrounding themselves by children because
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they want people like you to fight their cause.
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At the end of the day, you're saying that Hamas is in the West Bank?
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I don't have the years in front of me when they were established.
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Because Jews have the rightful act to come back, and no other person does.
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Oh, I'm just saying they don't have the right to return.
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You're minimising the pain that people went through in apartheid.
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Because at the end of the day, why I only have your respect is you said you'll condemn an act
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If they kill an innocent person, you'll commit it.
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If that is true, that they killed hundreds of people for one guy, would you agree with that?
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And my argument was, if a perpetrator of atrocities hides amongst his own kids...
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Remember, Hamas should be doing everything they can to protect their own children.
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Instead, they're using them so that they can get people like you to fight their battle here
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Yeah, because what you see are the images of kids.
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Now, why do you think it works in Israel's best interest to kill kids?
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If you're going on a rant, I ask you, the collateral damage is...
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Collateral damage, he's the worst person in the world.
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Just say, is it okay to kill someone who's the worst person in the world in a condensed
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area where there's hundreds of people as collateral damage?
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You can infiltrate the area, you can set up snipers, do whatever you have to do.
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You say that if there were other ways to do it.
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What would be a better strategic way for less numbers to be killed?
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I'm telling you, have you ever fought in a war?
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I tell you now, Gaza is one of the most highly populated places on the planet and it is a
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So, my argument to you is that instead of placing all your anger at the Israelis who are
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being backed into a corner, you should hold those Hamasniks accountable for using your
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Muslim children as human shields because that's what they're doing.
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All I'll say to you now, because I've never seen it, I need to see you for proof.
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If you think it's important for the world to see that it is possible for two Aussies with
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opposing views to have a civil conversation about such a polarising issue, make sure to
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