New polls show the only Canadians who love Justin Trudeau are the media
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Two new polls show that the only Canadians who love Justin Trudeau are in the media. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? And if it s bad news, what s the difference between bad news and good news?
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Tonight, two new polls show that the only Canadians who love Justin Trudeau are in the media.
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It's December 17th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
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I've got a little flicker of good news today in the form of two new public opinion polls.
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I'll get to them in a moment, but first I want to talk about the nature of bad news.
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It's not because we like bad news, it's because we don't like it.
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And we report bad news because other media ignore the bad news or are actually in collusion with bad news.
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And look, someone simply has to tell the other side of the story.
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You're going to see a lot more of that fake news, good news.
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Now that Justin Trudeau announced he's going to spend $595 million to bail out the few remaining private sector journalists in Canada.
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Get used to CBC-style propaganda from everywhere.
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Can I show you just two examples from the past week?
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Ryan Gosling is lovely and calm, but Ryan Reynolds just makes me proud to be a Canadian.
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PM Justin Trudeau's first live interview at the end of the year.
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So you've got the prime minister for a year-end interview.
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So if you put something difficult to him, he can't get out and say this interview's canceled without humiliating himself.
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And instead, your question is, what's your favorite, Ryan?
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Is the excuse because they're a daytime TV variety show, not a heavy political show?
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But there's no excuse for CBC's star political correspondent, Rosemary Barton.
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If you could do any other job and you have to answer, what would it be?
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She asked him what podcasts he's into, what books he's reading.
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You know, we took that interview there and we put a love song over it.
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And then we focused on, and this is all their footage, but we just edited it to focus on the body language.
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Why do birds suddenly appear every time you want me here?
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Why do stars fall down from the sky every time you walk by?
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You know, there's more than seven people, seven billion people in this world.
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And there's a lot of lonely hearts out there thinking, am I ever going to find the one for me?
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It's tough, but I tell you, if you find someone, I don't care what station in life they're from, where you find them.
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If you find someone who looks at you the way Rosemary Barton looks at Justin Trudeau,
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you grab hold of that someone and you never let them go.
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If that Tinder ad, dating ad, reality show, you know, if that soft porn is the alternative to telling you bad news,
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I'm not a PR man or a stenographer or a weird cheerleader or like a first speed date gal.
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This is that same Rosemary Barton taking a fangirl style selfie.
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I wonder if she just sits at home with all her cats, just drinking wine,
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just staring at that picture there and just doodling hearts with the letters JT plus RB in them.
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You know, we fell out of the Garden of Eden, didn't we?
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But would we really want to go back to blissful ignorance and pretending there's no bad news
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and pretending that we could maybe possibly love Justin Trudeau?
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That really reminded me of how Monica Lewinsky looked at Bill Clinton.
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We report the bad news because that is the way the world is.
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And we'll stop reporting the bad news when there is no more bad news.
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But you cannot un-know things once you know them.
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You cannot un-see things once you've seen them.
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I mean, just for example, 1,500 people in the city of Grand Prairie, population 65,000, had a protest yesterday.
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They just wanted to be able to work, actually, to build a pipeline.
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And here's what the environment minister said from a UN global warming conference half a world away.
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Countries need to see beyond their national interest that requires solutions and compromises in the broader interest.
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I met some really cool people at the UN conference.
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And to impress them, I've decided that we need to phase out your oil and gas jobs.
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So don't be surprised that they're taking this point of view because Justin Trudeau himself said so.
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I've said time and time again, and you're all tired of hearing me say it,
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you can't make a choice between what's good for the environment and what's good for the economy.
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Could you imagine him saying that about any other industry, by the way?
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I don't think Trudeau has actually ever done a real day's work in his life.
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He was born a millionaire trust fund kid, son of Pierre Trudeau, millionaire trust fund kid.
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You know, the last Trudeau, I've told you this before,
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last Trudeau to actually have to work for a living was Justin Trudeau's grandfather, Charles,
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He actually ran a chain of gas stations in Quebec, if you can believe it.
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Charlie Trudeau worked hard, sold his chain of gas stations to Imperial Oil,
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and the Trudeaus have never had to work a day since.
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Charlie Trudeau died before Justin Trudeau was even born.
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Justin Trudeau has never even met a family member who's had to work for a living.
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So here's what Justin Trudeau has to say about the people who work hard,
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whose jobs he wants to phase out, people who work hard like his grandfather used to do.
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You might not say, oh, what does a gender lens have to do with building this new highway
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When you bring construction workers into a rural area,
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there are social impacts because they're mostly male construction workers.
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That's what the gender lens in GBA Plus budgeting is all about.
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You don't want a bunch of gross, blue-collar men building a factory or a mine or a highway or pipeline
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because, and this is his clear meaning, there's no other meaning that makes sense
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because those men will go in and rape women in the local community.
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Gender impact, how does that fit into a pipeline approval process?
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So I'm really glad you asked that because I think people are like, well, what is this gender thing?
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Well, imagine that you have a huge number of people going to a remote community, many men.
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And actually, once again, smart proponents understand this.
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It's just taking a smart approach to thinking about, okay, what's going to be the impact of a major development in a particular area?
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Even Don Martin of the mainstream media knows that's kooky.
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So undo industry to please ideology, to please foreigners at the UN conference.
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They put everyone's interests ahead of Canada's interests.
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We have sent our underpaid, under-equipped military to Mali.
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But as Catherine McKenna tells us, we have to get beyond doing things that are in Canada's interest.
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So we're helping Mali, but we can't afford to continue our own 40-year NATO tradition of hosting a two-week Air Force training exercise in Cold Lake, Alberta.
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But we've got Mali covered, whatever it is that we're doing there.
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And of course, we put foreign migrants ahead of Canadian citizens, too.
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We signed that UN Global Compact for Migration that creates the counterfeit human right to immigrate to Canada, to get free health care in Canada, to bring other relatives with you to Canada.
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And anyone who disagrees is obviously a racist.
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Even though polls show that only 6% of Canadians want more immigration, 6%.
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Do you join the bailout media and just sing for your supper?
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Should we just get with the program and, I don't know, do a story about Justin Trudeau's socks?
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Because if we put Canada first in our hearts, in real life, that means putting Canadians first.
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Front page of the Hilltimes newspaper in Ottawa.
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It's a real insider's newspaper, really just made for MP, senator, their staff, lobbyists.
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It tilts left, obsessed with gossip and inside baseball.
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But I bet the story is being passed around Parliament Hill a lot today.
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Liberals should be exceptionally concerned about potential recession in 2019.
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Voters' anxiety on unrestricted immigration, says Nanos.
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Nanos, of course, refers to Nick Nanos, a fairly reputable Canadian pollster, as establishment as they come.
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He says, Prime Minister, this is the Hilltimes, Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, liberals, should be exceptionally concerned about the very negative economic mood right now in Canada, with potential for a recession in 2019.
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And the Conservatives' attempts to paint liberals as supporters of unrestricted immigration, as the combined effect could become a serious problem for the party in the next election.
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There's a very negative economic mood in the country, said Nick Nanos, president and CEO of Nanos Research, in an interview with the Hilltimes.
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A sitting government presiding over a recession usually is not good news for the sitting government.
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Trudeau's war on industry, which is couched in environmentalist ideology, and Trudeau's obsession with mass immigration, especially illegal immigration.
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And you can be a fake news, good news type and ignore it and go on first dates with Trudeau and ask him, who's your favorite?
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According to the Nanos Research, a weekly rolling poll numbers released last week, the Liberals and the Conservatives were tied in the statistical dead heat.
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The numbers were released on December 7th indicate that the Conservatives had 34.8% support nationally, followed closely by the Liberals with 34.1%.
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The NDP had the support of 15.8%, and the Green Party support was at 8.2%.
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Now, I had seen a poll from another pollster last week that showed the Conservatives doing well also, but I thought it was an anomaly, but two different pollsters in a row suggest that it's probably not an anomaly, might be a trend.
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Mr. Nanos attributed the notable drop in Liberal support to the psychological effect of the General Motors auto plant closing in Oshawa, Ontario last month, the low oil prices affecting the Alberta economy, and the slow pace of progress on the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion on Canadians' declining confidence in the state of the country's economy.
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I think that's right, although I'm not sure how many people follow pipeline politics outside of the West, but maybe.
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Now, unemployment in Canada is low right now in most parts of the country, so that looks good, right?
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I mean, when you turn away $50 billion worth of private investments in your country's pipelines and liquid natural gas projects, you're not just hurting Grand Prairie.
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You're hurting, I don't know, engineering companies in Quebec and investment companies in Toronto and a thousand other companies from airlines to auto dealers to hotels to restaurants.
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You can't take $50 billion out of an economy our size and not have it hurt.
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But more to the point, you are signaling to the next $50 billion or $500 billion just to put the money in the states, where Donald Trump couldn't be clearer.
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He wants to create jobs, not talk about gender.
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Mr. Nano said the federal liberals so far have focused mainly on progressive elements of their agenda, on issues such as the marijuana legalization, gender equality, First Nations issues, or the environment.
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And if a recession did hit Canada next year, people will question why the liberal government, led by Prime Minister Trudeau, did not focus more on jobs in the economy.
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Yeah, well, the media party loves all those things.
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So I know I'm quoting a lot, but it's interesting.
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The message from the conservatives, Mr. Nano said, is that by supporting unrestricted immigration, the liberals are not only risking Canadian security, but also the Canadian economy.
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See, open borders, mass migration, European style, Angela Merkel style, it's obviously not in our economic interest.
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I mean, 90% of Trudeau's Syrian migrants still don't work three years later.
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And frankly, they're not that interested in working when they can get huge payments from the government not to work.
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As you know, 50,000 bucks just for arriving here, as access to information documents show.
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But we also know in our bones, just in terms of the sheer number, if you bring in 340,000, that's their latest number, 400,000, 450,000 people a year in the country, that's what their own think tank says they should do, 450,000 people a year.
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That drives down wages, because these are unskilled immigrants.
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If you live in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, imagine adding 450,000 people a year.
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And the thing is, Canada, until recently, was so warm-hearted towards immigrants, so welcoming, but something has changed.
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And it's not that we're Nazis now, despite what the liberals say.
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It's that Trudeau has allowed lawbreakers, illegals, scammers, whatever, to jump to the front of the line.
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And this new survey from Pew measures the same thing that the Angus Reid poll earlier measured, how many people want immigration to be reduced or stay the same, and how many want it increased.
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But it does it country by country instead of just focusing on Canada, obviously.
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So under Justin Trudeau, Canada has become more hostile to immigration than America under Donald Trump.
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29% plus 44% of Americans, 29% plus 44%, want less immigration or the same amount.
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But 27% plus 53%, 80% of Canadians want less immigration or the same amount.
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So that's exactly what Angus Reid found, too, by the way, to the percent.
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So Trudeau has burned up so much Canadian goodwill.
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But he's the one that has turned Canadians against immigration even more than Americans are.
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Nick Nanos thinks people are wising up to this.
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This is the flicker of good news, along with that first one by Nanos.
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It checks what Canadians think about individual cabinet ministers.
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Now, I have some questions with the methodology here.
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I mean, how valid is a public opinion poll that asks Canadians what they think of Mary Ng?
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When I don't think 99% of Canadians have ever heard of Mary Ng or know that she's in cabinet.
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She's the minister of small business, which is just classic.
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She has spent her life working in the government sector.
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She works for a government sector union for 20 years.
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She knows about as much as running a small business as I know about, you know, running a marathon.
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What value would a poll have that asked about her?
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Now, it's not impossible for a first-term minister to make a name for themselves.
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It's just that given how many cabinet ministers were appointed by Trudeau for reasons of gender and racial quotas, and he says that,
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it's not surprising that they really haven't made a mark in the world.
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They just read talking points written to them by the prime minister's office.
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It's impossible to think of the federal liberal party without Justin Trudeau.
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And he himself, of course, is a hollow man, full of sound and fury, but signifying nothing.
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Speaking of signifying nothing, did you see this clip the other day?
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If you're running $19 billion deficits now, your fiscal capacity to deal with a rainy day has got to be worse.
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Actually, that's not true, and for two reasons.
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First of all, the ratings agencies have given us that AAA because they are confident in our ability to withstand shocks in the future if they come.
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Secondly, when Canadians have better jobs, when they have more education, when we have solid infrastructure,
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either climate change, resilient infrastructure to protect us from floods, or more public transit, or more housing,
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Canadians do better even if there are difficult times in the economy.
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That's the choice we made, to invest in our communities, to invest in our future, and that's what's giving Canadians confidence.
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Bowling ball, staple gun, guacamole, feminism, gender equity lens.
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I think maybe you heard the word rainy day there.
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And you thought, oh, rainy, go ahead there, global warming.
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Let me just play the global warming message track.
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They actually did control a little bit for the fact that Trudeau leads a cabinet of 34 dwarves.
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They asked Canadians first if they could recognize a politician before asking them to rate the politician.
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So they broke it down into high-profile ministers, medium-profile ministers, and nobodies.
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So here's the top five and the bottom five cabinet ministers from their list, according to the poll.
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And what this means is the percent saying they're doing a good job more or less than those saying a bad job.
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So Chrystia Freeland, 20% more people think she's doing a good job than a bad job.
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I mean, is there a country around the world we're not quarreling with right now?
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Canada is regarded as a foolish country in India.
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Chrystia Freeland is actually legally banned from Russia.
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Cuba is using microwave weapons to endanger our diplomats and their families in Havana.
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But hey, the fake news, good news media love her.
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I guess if you pump out 24-7 propaganda, I guess it works because people think, I mean, we have never been more alone in the world as we are now.
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That poll suggests she has a net 20% favorable rating.
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Can you name anything Mark Garneau has done in the past three years?
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Trudeau really hasn't let him do much since Trudeau crushed him in the leadership race.
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I think that positive view is just people who remember that he used to be an astronaut once, and he was served in the Canadian military, and he looks and sounds like a grown-up, and he's got a little bit of dignity.
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But can you name one thing he's done as a cabinet minister?
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I mean, I guess he's the one who banned the tankers off the coast of B.C., but that's really been the work of Trudeau and McKenna, hasn't it?
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Bill Morneau has a net negative 20% favorability, no doubt.
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He comes across as sneaky and tricky and dishonest.
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Remember he lied to the ethics commissioner about his villa in France.
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He said, whoopsie, who teehee, I forgot, I just forgot.
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Who wouldn't forget about their villa in France?
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You remember when he had a massive stake in his old company called Morneau-Chapelle while passing all these tax changes that favored Morneau-Chapelle?
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Patty Hajdu, she's not well-known either, is she?
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Other than for being the face of the discriminatory campaign to force anyone who wanted a summer job grant for students,
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they had to sign an attestation that they support Justin Trudeau's personal views on social issues like abortion.
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It was weird, completely inappropriate, and obviously intolerant.
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Ahmed Hassan, the immigration minister, minus 26.
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And Amarjit Sohi, just absolutely despised a negative score of 36%, just in a league of his own.
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Now, Sohi is in a league of his own, but you could also say he's out of his league in terms of the substance of the father.
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When it comes to pipelines, there's so many leftists who have to pretend that they actually like oil and gas.
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But what's so amazing is this clip he actually published to social media himself.
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He thought this made him look super smart and super good.
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The oil is to Alberta, what is auto to Ontario, and what is aerospace to Quebec.
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It is so disappointing to see that when we made the decision to invest $4.5 billion to move this project forward so we can support the oil sector in Alberta the proper way,
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every single Conservative member of the Federal Conservative Party did not support that decision.
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Your promise with construction would start this past summer.
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That they are willing to invest $12 billion and write off $3 billion to support an industry.
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But when it comes to Alberta oil and gas sector, they back off.
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You're one of 200,000 unemployed Albertans in here that's scolding, arrogant, know-nothing lecturing you.
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You think that guy's going to build any pipelines?
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Look, there's only so much stock you should put in a poll like this.
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I mean, at the end of the day, you only get to vote for the candidate in your own riding.
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People don't think of Amarjeet Sohi when they're marking a ballot in their riding other than his.
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Like I say, most of Trudeau's MPs and most of his cabinet are still new to Canadians.
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Many are first-term NTPs and many are just window-dressing affirmative action hires who don't really do the work that's done in the PMO.
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The more important a file, the better known the file, the less Canadians like their liberals.
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Morneau saying that high taxes and big spending and big deficits are fine.
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Hassan saying that open borders, mass illegal immigration is fine.
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And so he's saying that, no, he's doing a great job for oil and gas.
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These are the key issues upon which Trudeau, well, those are the ones he's in trouble for.
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But there are enough data points now, I think, to show a trend.
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Canadians don't buy the spin from the liberals.
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And they're not persuaded from the fake news, good news, first-date media.
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With the possible exception of Chrystia Freeland, who surely, by any measure, must be regarded
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as the least successful foreign minister in Canadian memory.
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But these polls together are reason to hope and not to give up and to realize that although
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we feel like we're telling people bad news all the time, the fact is, it's just the news.
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And doing that, telling people the ugly truth, warning them, ringing the alarm, rather than
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telling them pretty lies and going on dates and asking, but who's your favorite
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Telling bad news is possibly the most important job, almost a public service, that the media
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Well, they say water is the universal solvent, as in everything dissolves in it.
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I think that global warming is the universal excuse, the universal justification for everything
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And odds are there's a policy arguing for it from a research paper that was funded, because
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if you say you're studying global warming, you're going to get dough for it.
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I remember that our friend David Menzies reported that one of the official excuses for that migrant
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care man coming up from Mexico to the United States was they were climate refugees.
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It is the universal excuse for globalism and big government.
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Well, one of the arguments in this bundle of global warming arguments is that because
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of global warming, we have to depopulate the planets.
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He's against immigration to Canada because he thinks we need fewer people.
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I should point out he himself has five children.
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I tell you all this because I have in studio with me the author of a new book debunking
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The book is called Population Bomb, Exploding the Link Between Overpopulation and Climate
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And joining me now is our friend Pierre de Rocher, who wrote the book with Joanna Cermak.
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I am so glad you are because you are a skeptic on issues like this.
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And I think you're a contrarian in the academic world.
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Do you have tenure yet or should I have tenure?
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I was going to say, if you write a book that challenges the official global warming narrative
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like this, you better have tenure or you'll be an ex-professor pretty soon.
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Yes, but yeah, lucky for me, the OFT has been good so far.
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They still respect tenure, unlike some other Canadian institutions.
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Well, let's get to this book because I'm trying to understand it.
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I just leafed through it and I appreciate you bringing it.
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And by the way, if folks want to learn more about the book, read some op-eds, they can go
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to populationbombed.com and they can get all that info.
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But the problem, the conundrum is the following.
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So when Thomas Maltus wrote the, well, let's call it the original population bomb two centuries
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ago, there were about a billion people on planet Earth.
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And at the same time, if you look at the environment and advanced economies, well, our water is
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cleaner, our air is cleaner, our forests are making a huge comeback.
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So how can you explain a much larger population and a cleaner environment?
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And so what the book attempts to do is to explain that none of the good things that we have today,
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and I'm not talking only about our wealth and our health, but also our cleaner environment,
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would have been possible without that increase in population and more carbon fuels.
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Remind our viewers, the Reverend Thomas Maltus, his argument, it was about 100 and...
00:33:26.900
And he said population increases exponentially.
00:33:40.100
Well, it was an essay on the principle of population.
00:33:42.820
But the problem is that Maltus only focused on food.
00:33:45.440
And then other people came after him and they said, well, there's food, but there's also coal.
00:33:52.320
The Club of Rome, like as late as the 1970s, people said, we're going to run out of steel,
00:33:56.420
we're going to run out of iron, we're going to run out of coal, we're going to run out
00:34:06.320
So Paul Ehrlich was the most well-known, let's call him population bomber, that was often
00:34:11.680
his name at the time, who argued like most biologists.
00:34:14.800
And you see, the problem with people like David Suzuki and Paul Ehrlich is that they're biologists
00:34:18.880
by training, and they refuse to acknowledge that humans act differently than other animal
00:34:24.380
So what they think is that, well, if you have a test tube full of food and you put in a
00:34:28.400
few bacterias in there, eventually the bacterias will multiply and they will run out of food.
00:34:32.960
And they think that human societies behave the same way.
00:34:37.260
I want to stop it there because I know the exact video.
00:34:49.180
He's a fruit fly geneticist, or at least he used to be.
00:34:51.860
He always compares people to maggots and things like that.
00:34:55.040
Here's a quick clip of David Suzuki with this bacteria argument, and then I'm going to ask
00:35:01.340
I'm going to give you a system analogous to the planet, and that's a test tube full of
00:35:07.640
So the test tube and food is a planet, and the bacteria are us.
00:35:12.980
Now, I'm going to introduce one bacterial cell in, and it's going to divide every minute.
00:35:19.940
So at time zero, at the beginning, there's one cell.
00:35:29.720
And at 60 minutes, the test tube is completely packed with bacteria, and there's no food
00:35:43.000
Even though it's been chugging along for 59 minutes, it's only half full, but one minute
00:35:55.740
At 55 minutes of a 60-minute cycle, it's 3% full.
00:36:01.640
At 55 minutes, one of the bacteria says, hey, guys, I've been thinking, we've got a problem.
00:36:07.540
The other bacteria would say, Jack, what the hell have you been smoking, man?
00:36:11.280
97% of the test tube's empty, and we've been around for 55 minutes.
00:36:18.460
Give me a quick rebuttal to that Suzuki propaganda.
00:36:23.020
Yes, well, what you have to ask yourself is, how did human beings end up at the top
00:36:29.060
Well, we have two evolutionary traits that you don't find in other animal species.
00:36:35.440
So, you know, you have other animal species that will trade services, let's say, grooming
00:36:40.340
But human beings, well, for a long time, we've been able to move large quantities of physical
00:36:44.520
goods over long distances, over long geographical distances.
00:36:48.480
The other ability that we have that you don't see in the rest of the animal kingdom is our
00:36:57.220
Well, essentially, by combining existing things in new ways.
00:37:00.840
So when you have a problem, let's say at one point, well, people had ink, people had
00:37:05.160
wood, and then other substances came along, and they say, well, why don't we develop something
00:37:11.020
And then you combine a typewriter with electronics.
00:37:16.360
So the more things we have, the more we can invent.
00:37:19.500
And so these two traits are really unique to human beings.
00:37:22.400
And what we've been able to do is, for example, concentrate food production in the best locations
00:37:27.800
So we produce a lot more food on a lot less land than in the past.
00:37:31.440
And we keep coming up with substitutes for things that exist.
00:37:35.040
So unlike, let's say, animal species, if you have tigers, well, their number is absolutely
00:37:42.560
So we developed agriculture, we expand our food supply, and we were able to catch fishes
00:37:48.440
Then when that became problematic, we developed aquaculture.
00:37:51.480
So and one of the great things that humanity was able to do, and I think the key that environmentalists
00:37:57.060
don't understand is that over time, we increasingly replaced things that were produced on the surface
00:38:01.680
of the planet, so let's say animal for food or for wool, growing plants for dyes, by things
00:38:09.220
So products derived from coal, from petroleum, from natural gas.
00:38:13.500
And the answer that people like Suzuki and Ehrlich are unable to see is that we have more stuff,
00:38:19.440
not only because of the energy that we extract from under the ground rather than burning wood,
00:38:23.380
for example, but also because things like plastic have replaced things like wood, ivory,
00:38:31.040
So because of our ability to trade things over long distances, to create new things, to
00:38:35.860
develop substitute, and to replace things that came from the surface of the planet by resources
00:38:40.480
that came from underground, we were able to increase our number, improve our health, and
00:38:46.640
I tell you, Pierre, I wish I had you as a professor when I was in school because you say things so
00:38:56.780
One is Bjorn Lomborg, who's an environmentalist.
00:39:01.340
He calls himself the skeptical environmentalist.
00:39:03.380
And his main point is, what's the smartest, best way to fix things, not just panic?
00:39:10.820
He's a pro-energy, pro-oil activist who makes the moral case for fossil fuels.
00:39:15.880
And you remind me of, this is so important, you remind me of a clip.
00:39:28.360
David Suzuki was in Australia, and he was asked about drilling and fracking and things
00:39:33.780
And you make a great point that when we started to innovate and think and mining, mining was
00:39:46.400
That's when people stopped starving because with coal, we were able to develop things like
00:39:54.800
And out of that, out of the steam engine and steel came the railroad.
00:39:58.240
And the railroad and the steel steamship powered by coal were the two things that really put
00:40:04.480
Up until the early 19th century, what would happen?
00:40:09.000
Well, from time to time, you would have a drought, you would have a flood, you might
00:40:17.360
Well, what happened in the 19th century because of coal, because of steel?
00:40:20.920
Well, for the first time in human history, people are able to move large quantities of
00:40:27.560
So regions that have bumper crops can send their surplus to regions that are starving and
00:40:32.840
And it would have been impossible to put an end to famine without those innovations.
00:40:36.100
You know, I'm thinking about switching life from sort of 2D to 3D.
00:40:41.100
Like if you, for millennia, mankind lived just on the surface of the earth and digging a
00:40:50.220
But when we could think 3D, but I just want to show you this clip, you just made me think
00:40:56.460
When Suzuki was presented with this, he said, we drilling hole deep underground, we don't know
00:41:02.900
I don't know, they could be like, you know, some goblins from Lord of the Rings.
00:41:08.400
This is Dave Suzuki on Australian Broadcasting ABC video clip.
00:41:14.620
Fracking is one of the dumbest technologies there is.
00:41:22.760
You know, because we're an air-breathing landlubber living on the top skin of the planet, we think
00:41:32.280
We have no idea what we're doing when we pump vast amounts of water down there.
00:41:36.980
We have no idea whether it'll end up contaminating our drinking water.
00:41:41.260
But we're just going to go down there and try to frack as much gas as we can get out of
00:41:49.900
That clip makes me laugh every time because he's a supposed scientist who's basically
00:41:57.780
We've been digging into the ground for millennia, but it's only since the Industrial Revolution
00:42:01.800
that we've actually unlocked a fraction of a fraction of what's underground.
00:42:12.380
I mean, there were creative people all throughout human history, but it was only with the emergence
00:42:16.280
of capitalism, the freedom that people were given to innovate and to earn a return on
00:42:20.840
their investment that you saw this explosion of creativity.
00:42:23.180
Well, you know, it's, I think of the medieval scheme or scam, whatever you want to call
00:42:29.660
of alchemy, to turn lead into gold because they're on the periodical table, they're next
00:42:34.620
And it was always, you know, that's just alchemy, that doesn't exist.
00:42:38.220
But if you could ever solve that, you would be rich beyond Midas.
00:42:42.700
We've turned carbon fuels into energy, into substitute products.
00:42:46.560
That was the real success of the United States.
00:42:48.600
And my point is, like, think of the oil sands and fracking.
00:42:52.080
Just give me one minute and then I'd love for you to respond.
00:42:54.240
I shouldn't even be talking at all in this interview because I'm hanging on your every
00:43:01.140
You know, Aboriginal people knew the oil sands because some of them, they're exposed.
00:43:09.180
But for decades, we looked, you know, European settlers looked at the oil sands and said,
00:43:17.820
But it was technology and freedom that turned worthless oily sand into a hundred billion
00:43:25.600
Shale is one of the most common sort of clay-like rocks in the world.
00:43:29.180
And there's teeny tiny little drops of natural gas or oil in it.
00:43:35.820
And it really is a modern scientific alchemy to take something utterly useless, shale, and
00:43:46.420
And the gas that we actually created something from nothing far better than turning lead into
00:43:51.320
But that's only because we think of those as current challenges.
00:43:54.960
Even when the petroleum industry began in the late 1850s in the United States, all people
00:44:01.840
And they could not really go much deeper than 20 meters.
00:44:05.040
And we were very lucky in North America that you had some deposits in western Pennsylvania
00:44:15.360
And I've been to that site in western Pennsylvania.
00:44:17.940
We got extremely lucky that people drilled there.
00:44:20.240
Apparently, Colonel Drake and his crew, it's the exact perfect spot for this.
00:44:27.720
Well, if it's, I don't know, a few hundred meters underground and it's easy to reach.
00:44:32.940
I mean, reaching oil that was 100 meters below ground a century and a half ago was even more
00:44:38.600
challenging than creating value out of the oil sands today.
00:44:41.160
So the easy oil of each generation was always the challenge of the previous one.
00:44:45.740
And we've been building on our knowledge for a century and a half.
00:44:49.260
And it might be that 50 years from now, people will remember the good old days of the oil
00:44:55.340
Although we have enough for, what, 200 years at least or something.
00:44:59.260
You know, you remind me of Sir Isaac Newton who said, if I saw further, it's because I stood
00:45:06.880
That's another, I mean, there's so many obvious differences between us.
00:45:12.900
It's grotesque that David Suzuki compares people to animals.
00:45:17.000
And just because I'm on the Suzuki theme, let me show you one more Suzuki clip.
00:45:21.820
This is where he actually compares people to maggots.
00:45:28.020
I can't believe this man has had 40 years on a public broadcaster.
00:45:32.140
One thing that I've gotten off on lately is that basically, you know, I study fruit flies.
00:45:38.360
And I suddenly realized that basically we're all fruit flies.
00:45:43.020
Like, you know, you're born as an egg and you live in that egg environment and your parents
00:45:48.800
kind of cut out all the external crap that comes in and protect you and nourish you and
00:45:53.400
It's a very nice little egg and it's comfortable.
00:45:55.960
But at some point you hatch out and start crawling around and eating stuff on your own.
00:46:00.620
You start reading, you start looking at the tube, you start doing all sorts of things.
00:46:10.140
It's got two dimensions and it can ingest food at its will and it defecates all over the
00:46:17.200
And some other smaller maggots can even eat your defecation and get some nourishment out
00:46:22.760
And, you know, you grow as you eat more nourishment and you molt, you become a second level maggot,
00:46:30.020
you know, a bigger maggot, even looks different.
00:46:32.640
And the bigger you get, the more people you can, or more maggots you can crush with your
00:46:39.720
Yeah, I mean, most people in the world are content to stay as first or second level maggots.
00:46:44.600
And they establish their own little area and they crawl around there and that's fine.
00:46:49.640
And the guys that become 10th level maggots are really big wheels.
00:46:56.280
But, um, and he's still saying things like that, which is amazing.
00:46:59.460
And you see one chapter in the book is, uh, that was written by my co-author Joanna Shermak
00:47:03.720
is simply, well, why is it that someone like David Suzuki can't see what's it right in
00:47:08.880
Well, because there's a lot of financial incentives for him to start to that.
00:47:13.100
The Suzuki Foundation is a multi, multi-million dollar lobby group.
00:47:15.900
But, um, you know, the, the innovation, the, the accumulation of, we build on knowledge
00:47:30.540
I mean, it's, it's footnote, meticulously footnoted, hundreds and hundreds of footnotes.
00:47:37.920
I was going to say, I was, I mean, I haven't read through it in depth, but I thumbed through
00:47:50.180
It's, uh, a few years ago was the 25th anniversary of the bet between optimistic, or in my opinion,
00:47:56.180
realistic economist Julian Simon and eco-catastrophist biologist Paul Ehrlich.
00:48:01.000
And for your viewers who don't know about it, Ehrlich came on the scene in 1968 with the original
00:48:10.040
And, uh, went on the, well, I don't know, we would tell the kids about Johnny Carson
00:48:14.800
Well, let's say Jimmy Fallon and all those shows.
00:48:16.780
He was on the main late night show over 20 times in the early 1970s and always spewing
00:48:22.380
that catastrophe was around the, uh, around the corner.
00:48:28.480
And Julian Simon, who had looked at the data, who began as a population catastrophe, said,
00:48:34.800
I'm not, still not sure why, but the more of us there is, the more resources we have, the
00:48:40.580
And so at one point, uh, Simon, who originally came from marketing, thought of a way to, uh,
00:48:47.700
And he says, well, if you believe in your ideas so much, I'll, uh, here's a, here's a wager
00:48:53.260
Select five materials of your own choosing of the time period that you want over a year.
00:48:58.700
If the price goes up, it will be a sign that the resource becomes more scarce.
00:49:04.440
If the price goes down, uh, well, it will be a proof that resources are becoming more
00:49:09.020
abundant, despite the fact that there's more of us and that we're wealthier.
00:49:14.420
Ehrlich chose the materials and chose the time period.
00:49:17.420
So, uh, five materials, the ones that he was sure, and he talked to a lot of people, you
00:49:21.300
know, what are the metals or minerals that are the most likely to become scarce?
00:49:29.560
And, uh, again, people don't remember that often enough when they say Simon got lucky.
00:49:33.360
He gave all the cards to Ehrlich, said whatever material, whatever time period.
00:49:37.440
And after 10 years, well, you know, the world population had gone up by over 800 million
00:49:42.360
The world had become wealthier and the price of every resource had gone down and sometimes
00:49:51.780
And ever since then, well, people have looked and said, well, if we had, if Ehrlich had selected
00:49:56.360
a different time period or different materials, he might have won.
00:49:59.860
But the point I wanted to make on the 25th anniversary of the bet a few years ago was to
00:50:04.520
say, well, remember the original conditions and look at all the resources, look at any significant
00:50:14.740
So sometimes, you know, prices go up, they go down.
00:50:19.680
And in fact, by choosing the most precious ones, if he had done so, he would, he misunderstood
00:50:25.880
that human nature, the left would call it greed.
00:50:30.480
Well, if something's very valuable, people are going to invest to find more of it.
00:50:33.700
And that's the thing that they never understood.
00:50:36.660
If a resource becomes more scarce, more valuable, if its price goes up, well, we become more
00:50:43.520
We look for more of it and we develop substitutes.
00:50:46.660
And all three of those things would reduce the price.
00:50:50.380
It'd make resources more abundant at the same time.
00:50:52.320
You know, one of the things when I wrote my book, Ethical Oil, almost a decade ago,
00:50:56.820
I mean, I sort of knew it, but I didn't know it till I...
00:50:59.100
How is it possible when the world burns 100 million barrels of oil every single day?
00:51:11.400
So you're burning 100 million barrels every day.
00:51:15.400
So how is it that global reserves aren't shrinking?
00:51:20.940
And the answer is because a reserve is something that we discover and find and it's economic.
00:51:30.660
Or whatever you want to say, whatever your word, whatever it is, it's in human nature.
00:51:34.420
And so we either find it or we develop the technology to unlock it in the oil sands.
00:51:39.000
And if you look at it again, remember 150 years ago when the oil industry began in the United States,
00:51:43.780
the first deposit was reached at about 21 meters underground.
00:51:47.780
And, you know, there was a given price for a barrel at the time.
00:51:50.720
Well, today you do something like, you know, you go five kilometers offshore, let's say,
00:51:54.660
two kilometers underwater, then another two kilometers down, then another four kilometers sideways.
00:51:59.740
And the price of extracting that oil, if you factor in inflation, is the same as it was 150 years ago to extract it for 20 meters.
00:52:14.940
Well, it's a rebuttal because we also address the issue of climate change because CO2 emissions are the one things that have not gone down.
00:52:21.800
And the argument that we make in the book is that, okay, well, people like Suzuki cannot argue that we're becoming sicker or, you know, less healthy than in the past.
00:52:31.400
If nothing else, well, poor people are fat in advanced economies.
00:52:36.020
I would rather have that over famine, trust me.
00:52:38.240
And then they cannot say that our air is getting dirtier.
00:52:44.040
They cannot say that in advanced economies, forests are not coming back.
00:52:49.860
These are the one things when you burn carbon fuels, well, you release more CO2 in the atmosphere.
00:52:55.280
Now, you could see, and a lot of plant scientists were actually saying that in the late 1980s, when the original, well, when global warming was put at the top of the agenda.
00:53:04.560
I mean, some people had been talking about that since the 50s, but it was really pushed forward at the turn of the 1980s and then became more popular in the late 1990s.
00:53:13.520
A lot of plant scientists at the time were saying, well, that's great.
00:53:16.100
You know, more plant food, the world will be even greener.
00:53:18.880
But the point that we make in the book is that, well, as every other environmental threat or scare sort of disappeared, we were left with CO2 emissions.
00:53:27.680
And I think this is why people are obsessed about it today, because we've basically solved all our other pressing problems in advanced economies.
00:53:34.560
But then all that you have are essentially the results of scenarios, computer scenarios.
00:53:40.300
And the point that we make in the book, and you referred to Lombard before, and I'm glad that you saw it, because he's been able to communicate that information very effectively.
00:53:47.620
You cannot do any cost-benefit analysis that factors in all the benefits that you get from carbon fuels with the potential alleged risk of global warming and not come up on the side of saying, well, we cannot take the benefits from carbon fuels for granted.
00:54:03.720
I mean, you're from Alberta, so you can live well in Edmonton.
00:54:06.240
I know a lot of your international viewers might not understand that.
00:54:10.360
Or as long as people are wealthy and they have affordable and reliable energy, we can add up to anything.
00:54:21.080
I hope less time will pass before we have you back on the show.
00:54:29.000
And I say again, I sort of wish I had someone when I was in college who was speaking so plainly.
00:54:36.200
And I would remark to our viewers how jargon-free your communication is here compared to your average academic.
00:54:46.760
This is a celebration of human creativity, really.
00:54:52.720
We've been talking with Pierre Durochet, who is the co-author of the book, along with Joanna Cermak.
00:55:00.220
You can go to the website populationbombed.com to learn more about it.
00:55:04.780
And we'll put an Amazon link underneath the video, too.
00:55:24.320
Hey, welcome back to my monologue Friday about a CBC journalist comparing Omar Khadr to just a rebellious teen Jato, right?
00:55:44.900
But it's, I mean, the public apology, I think, is far worse.
00:55:48.160
And it's the fact that he's at liberty and marauding about.
00:55:55.920
He's this victim as opposed to a murderer and a terrorist and al-Qaeda.
00:56:00.880
That's far more concerning to me than just the money.
00:56:05.680
Nickname Libertarian45 writes, for years, CBC refused to show a more modern picture of Khadr.
00:56:12.060
They always showed this cutesy young teen picture, even though he was in court with a bushy beard.
00:56:17.920
The CBC deliberately wanted us to think of him as a kid.
00:56:22.480
And by the way, that very young picture of him wasn't even his picture when he was captured in Afghanistan.
00:56:29.700
That was the picture his mom circulated to the media.
00:56:32.520
It was like an elementary school picture of him.
00:56:35.560
And any journalist who reproduced that was just trafficking in propaganda, which is really what the government journalists at the CBC do.
00:56:49.920
There's a few columnists, especially the Sun Chain, who can't stomach over Khadr.
00:56:54.040
But can you name one reporter, one reporter who isn't a full-time propagandist for him?
00:57:01.700
On my interview with Alan Bokhari, Luke writes,
00:57:05.660
The next step from this, of course, is to implant you with a chip that is attached to your rating.
00:57:11.820
And if you are bad, even the toilets won't flush for you.
00:57:19.480
I see news from time to time about implantable chips.
00:57:38.880
It knows more about you than your wife or husband does.
00:57:48.060
But Facebook knows more about you than you know about yourself.
00:57:52.520
And you would say, well, how can that possibly be?
00:57:54.860
How can anyone know more about me than I know about myself?
00:58:03.780
And whereas you forget what you looked at a year ago, you forget what you searched for a year ago.
00:58:10.940
You forget what you mentioned in a brief message to someone five years ago.
00:58:17.440
And you combine everything you've ever written, everything you've ever looked at, and maybe now add in your medical deets from the Apple Watch.
00:58:25.960
And your GPS tracker on your phone, where you go all the time.
00:58:30.500
And then as soon as it can cross-reference with any other source of data on you, your banking, what Statistics Canada is out for, your family members, your friends, all of a sudden there is nowhere to hide.
00:58:48.820
I think we are effectively there with the implantable chip.
00:58:53.280
The funny thing is, you don't need to implant it in people.
00:59:02.960
The cell phone is us implanting the chip into ourselves.
00:59:10.840
Let me say that my Apple phone, once a week it gives me a report on the number of hours a week I spend on my phone.
00:59:23.080
It is terrifying for me to see how many hours I'm looking at that thing.
00:59:27.660
And, yeah, almost as many as if it were a chip implanted in it.
00:59:38.540
Thanks for watching today on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters.