Rebel News Podcast - February 13, 2019


One day after Trudeau brags about having Jody Wilson-Raybould in his cabinet, she quits


Episode Stats

Length

48 minutes

Words per Minute

159.37753

Word Count

7,688

Sentence Count

566

Misogynist Sentences

27

Hate Speech Sentences

15


Summary

Jody Wilson-Raybould resigns as Canada s Justice Minister, and she hires a former Supreme Court judge as her lawyer. What does that mean for the rest of the investigation into corruption at SNC-Lavalin?


Transcript

00:00:00.120 Hello, my little rebels and my big rebels and my medium-sized rebels.
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00:00:08.320 Today we just go really deep on Jody Wilson-Raybould.
00:00:11.120 Wow.
00:00:12.300 Just yesterday, Justin Trudeau was bragging about how, well, obviously she still supports him.
00:00:17.720 She's in his cabinet.
00:00:18.540 Well, today she resigned.
00:00:20.540 Great letter.
00:00:21.440 And she's hiring a former Supreme Court judge as her lawyer.
00:00:25.600 I won't give it any more away.
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00:01:17.840 Tonight, a day after Trudeau bragged about Jody Wilson-Raybould being in his cabinet, well, she quits.
00:01:25.220 It's February 12th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:29.800 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:33.540 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:37.600 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:43.460 Let me show you some body language.
00:01:52.160 Let's start with when The Globe and Mail first released their bombshell investigation into corruption at the engineering firm called SNC-Lavalin
00:02:00.380 and the pressure that was put on former Canadian Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould to drop criminal charges against SNC-Lavalin.
00:02:10.520 It was a meticulous report by The Globe.
00:02:12.620 It was comprehensive.
00:02:13.800 It appeared to have many sources.
00:02:15.920 It was shocking.
00:02:17.080 Look at that front page.
00:02:19.620 So here's Justin Trudeau answering a question about it.
00:02:24.460 He looked nervous and wobbly and irritated and stressed.
00:02:28.260 And frankly, he looked like he was lying.
00:02:32.100 Listen to the question and his over-lawyered answer.
00:02:36.360 And listen to the reporter asking a supplementary question, pointing out he didn't answer.
00:02:41.040 And listen to this exact same over-lawyered answer.
00:02:44.880 And you tell me, does Justin Trudeau look confident, happy, innocent here?
00:02:52.320 The allegations in The Globe's story this morning are false.
00:02:57.760 Neither the current nor the previous Attorney General was ever directed by me or by anyone in my office to take a decision in this matter.
00:03:08.760 The allegations reported in the story are false.
00:03:13.140 At no time did I or my office direct the current or previous Attorney General to make any particular decision in this matter.
00:03:24.040 But not necessarily direct, Prime Minister.
00:03:26.040 Was there any sort of influence whatsoever?
00:03:28.540 As I've said, at no time did we direct the Attorney General, current or previous, to take any decision whatsoever in this matter.
00:03:40.320 No, he looks like a liar there.
00:03:43.780 But then yesterday, a whole different Justin Trudeau.
00:03:48.260 He was in British Columbia to campaign in a by-election in Burnaby.
00:03:51.360 And he was asked about Jody Wilson-Raybould.
00:03:54.080 Naturally, she's from B.C.
00:03:55.920 She's news anywhere, but especially there.
00:03:57.940 So listen to him now and watch him.
00:04:01.180 Actually, you get the same message with the sound off.
00:04:03.460 In fact, let's do that.
00:04:04.380 Let's watch this clip first with the sound off.
00:04:11.500 Just watch it for a sec.
00:04:12.740 Just let it go.
00:04:16.160 Look at that.
00:04:16.840 He's got a bit of a grin.
00:04:18.940 Look at those eyes.
00:04:20.800 He's got that sparkle in his eyes.
00:04:23.120 It's a little bit frisky.
00:04:24.260 He doesn't look sullen anymore.
00:04:28.220 He's got those, he's got the eyebrows going on.
00:04:31.820 Just let it roll a bit.
00:04:33.640 He's not sad anymore.
00:04:35.140 Look at that.
00:04:35.540 Here comes the smile.
00:04:36.540 Here comes the smile.
00:04:39.100 Yeah.
00:04:39.880 Yeah.
00:04:41.340 Just watch.
00:04:45.900 He looks like a winner.
00:04:48.300 Look at that.
00:04:48.920 Here it comes.
00:04:49.500 Here it comes.
00:04:50.100 He looks like a winner who has won.
00:04:56.420 Okay, now let's listen to him.
00:04:58.500 Let's listen to him.
00:04:59.540 But you already know what he said.
00:05:00.680 Take a listen.
00:05:01.820 Now, I have met with Minister Wilson-Raybould a couple of times already since arriving in BC yesterday.
00:05:09.520 We spoke about our shared goals for our country and for this government.
00:05:13.520 She confirmed for me a conversation we had this fall where I told her directly that any decisions on matters involving the Director of Public Prosecutions were hers alone.
00:05:26.260 I respect her view that due to privilege, she cannot comment or add on matters recently before the media.
00:05:35.920 And I also highlight that we're bound by cabinet confidentiality.
00:05:40.060 In our system of government, of course, her presence in cabinet should actually speak for itself.
00:05:46.560 But you knew what he was saying just by looking at that smug smirk.
00:05:53.460 Let me translate.
00:05:54.500 Ha ha!
00:05:55.320 I'm the only one in this argument who can talk about it because I'm not freeing Jody Wilson-Raybould from any confidentiality requirements.
00:06:02.740 So you can pass her all you like, but you're only going to get my side of the story.
00:06:06.380 And by the way, she obviously likes me.
00:06:09.260 She obviously trusts me and respects me.
00:06:11.340 And you know that because she's still in my cabinet.
00:06:14.720 So obviously she's pleased with everything.
00:06:16.840 I mean, if she wasn't, she'd quit or I'd fire her, right?
00:06:21.980 There was an implication there.
00:06:23.680 Not only was Wilson-Raybould happy to be part of Team Trudeau, but he still has some power over her.
00:06:28.960 Because, of course, every cabinet minister serves only the pleasure of the prime minister.
00:06:33.640 She still had something to lose.
00:06:36.400 He still had power over her.
00:06:38.380 That grin, though.
00:06:40.800 That grin.
00:06:42.480 I don't think she liked that grin.
00:06:47.560 That grin works on teenage girls.
00:06:50.560 Teenage girls love that grin.
00:06:53.840 But not a 47-year-old cabinet minister who was just sacked as justice minister for not going along with Quebec corruption.
00:07:03.340 So she quit.
00:07:05.920 Trudeau's never had that happen to him before.
00:07:08.380 Oh, Scott Bryson quit in the midst of a scandal, too.
00:07:11.380 But that's because he's in deep political trouble.
00:07:13.640 I mean, no one has quit Trudeau's cabinet on principle.
00:07:16.740 That's quite rare these days, isn't it?
00:07:20.800 Look at her letter, resigning.
00:07:23.160 She quit as Veterans Affairs Minister.
00:07:24.920 But look, about two-thirds of the way down, could I quote?
00:07:26.940 She says,
00:07:27.240 Oh, just that.
00:07:46.700 Oh, she's lawyered up.
00:07:49.420 Oh, with just a former Supreme Court judge as her lawyer.
00:07:52.960 No biggie.
00:07:53.880 You know, kind of guy you get to do a real estate deal for you.
00:07:57.840 Oh, my God.
00:07:59.380 A former Supreme Court judge as her lawyer.
00:08:01.660 And I don't know if you noticed, she signed that letter, Pugless.
00:08:05.280 You look at that.
00:08:05.820 You see it there respectfully?
00:08:07.500 Pugless, the Honorable.
00:08:08.340 So that's an Aboriginal name, which actually means Honorable, Honorable Host.
00:08:14.640 As in, you can't buy her off with a few shiny baubles, Justin.
00:08:20.800 Jody Wilson, Ray Bull's dad, Bill Wilson, has been raging against Trudeau on behalf of his daughter.
00:08:27.780 Here's a Facebook post.
00:08:28.820 You know, he's an Aboriginal politician, too.
00:08:30.760 He fought against Pierre Trudeau back in the day.
00:08:33.320 He says he hasn't spoken about confidential matters with his daughter,
00:08:36.060 but she knows how to fight and won't dishonor herself or her family.
00:08:39.840 I believe that.
00:08:40.840 Can I read to you a bit from a recent interview he did with McLean's magazine?
00:08:45.860 Let me just read a bit.
00:08:46.840 He says, they said to him,
00:08:48.180 Do you believe she'll come away from this clean?
00:08:50.120 And he said, I believe so.
00:08:51.620 I believe she could lose her career as a white politician.
00:08:54.900 You don't cross SNC-Lavalin and get away with it.
00:08:57.560 I think her career could be in jeopardy, but why not?
00:08:59.920 If your career is based on dishonesty, lose it.
00:09:02.320 If your career hinges on integrity, then keep your integrity.
00:09:06.060 And they ask him again, even if she's cleared in all of this,
00:09:08.740 you still think her career's in jeopardy.
00:09:10.860 And her dad answered, I don't think there's any question about that.
00:09:14.620 Look at what young Trudeau did to her.
00:09:16.580 Kicked her in the teeth and put her in veterans affairs.
00:09:19.080 There's no cabinet position lower than that.
00:09:21.600 He kicked her as far down in the cabinet hierarchy as you could possibly go.
00:09:25.820 The next lowest is Indian affairs.
00:09:29.240 Ouch, ouch, ouch.
00:09:31.740 But that's probably true.
00:09:32.840 But, you know, there's no depth to which politicians will not sink,
00:09:37.780 will not debase themselves to.
00:09:39.720 If it buys them some perks and power.
00:09:41.640 I mean, David Lamedi, the newest justice minister,
00:09:44.080 he's not only said that he doesn't think any investigation in this whole thing is necessary,
00:09:48.420 he actually told reporters that he might just let SNC-Lavalin off the hook anyways.
00:09:56.040 He's still considering dropping the charges against them in the middle of all this.
00:10:01.020 So, yeah, I wonder what else he's agreed to do to keep his job.
00:10:06.460 Lamedi, at least, is a qualified justice minister.
00:10:09.080 And I don't mean that he's just that he's an obedient liberal.
00:10:12.520 I mean, he's a law professor, regarded as smart.
00:10:14.860 You can't say the same for most of Trudeau's affirmative action hires, though.
00:10:18.040 I mean, Miriam Monsef, just a walking, talking joke.
00:10:22.620 Catherine McKenna, a.k.a. Climate Barbie.
00:10:25.640 Bardish Chagger, the least accomplished of them all, perhaps?
00:10:29.360 Christy Duncan.
00:10:30.680 None of these cabinet ministers are of any note.
00:10:33.920 Monsef herself, a fraudulent refugee.
00:10:36.960 Remember?
00:10:37.440 She's the one who lied and continued to lie as an adult
00:10:42.240 about the circumstances in which she came to Canada as a refugee.
00:10:46.240 Remember this?
00:10:46.780 Sir, you were born in Afghanistan, correct?
00:10:49.260 I believe I was.
00:10:51.340 Oh, my God, what a liar she wasn't.
00:10:54.560 In fact, she lied on her refugee application to get in.
00:10:58.680 Seriously, come to think of it, Christy Duncan also lied.
00:11:02.900 She said she was a Nobel Prize winner in her campaign materials.
00:11:06.960 In fact, the Nobel Committee has never even heard of her.
00:11:10.460 These are grifters and graspers,
00:11:12.340 and they were only too happy to do a deal with Trudeau.
00:11:14.520 He'd hire them for his cabinet as race and gender tokens.
00:11:19.040 And in return for this salary top-up and perks and prestige,
00:11:24.920 they would give him political cover to do whatever he wants,
00:11:28.780 including, for example, getting away with groping Rose Knight,
00:11:32.700 a reporter in Creston, B.C.
00:11:34.840 All these women knew that was part of the deal.
00:11:37.220 Cover for Trudeau and keep your job.
00:11:39.520 They're thrilled.
00:11:41.020 It's the best job any of them will ever have.
00:11:44.620 They have no real skills.
00:11:46.500 What can Mariam Monsef do in the real world?
00:11:49.500 In Trudeau's world, recruiting Jody Wilson-Raybould was the best of all, though,
00:11:57.140 an aboriginal woman, a woman of color from the West Coast,
00:12:01.900 as Justice Minister, no less, daughter of a hereditary Indian chief.
00:12:06.500 In the poker game of political correctness, that's the royal flush.
00:12:09.840 Look at that.
00:12:10.320 Look at that picture.
00:12:11.300 Look at that.
00:12:13.140 Trudeau giving her the googly eyes.
00:12:15.460 Her beaming with real pride.
00:12:17.120 And look in the background there.
00:12:19.140 You've got to make sure you see them.
00:12:20.980 Gerald Butts, Principal Secretary, Katie Telford, Chief of Staff,
00:12:24.980 watching approvingly.
00:12:27.800 They're the SNC-Lavalin crew.
00:12:30.500 I don't think Jody Wilson-Raybould knew it then.
00:12:33.560 Oh, she sure knows it now.
00:12:35.780 She thought she was going to be a real justice minister.
00:12:38.440 Look at that look on her face.
00:12:39.700 That wasn't the look of someone getting a bone thrown to her.
00:12:42.820 That was someone who said, this is a great opportunity.
00:12:45.000 Didn't she know?
00:12:46.000 Didn't she know that like Mariam Montseff and Bartish Chagher
00:12:50.440 and Catherine McKenna and Christy Duncan and the rest,
00:12:52.340 didn't she know her only purpose was window dressing?
00:12:55.320 To do what she was told?
00:12:57.340 To defend the Montreal Mafia there of Trudeau and Butts?
00:13:02.480 What delicious irony that she is the only one in Trudeau's cabinet
00:13:07.880 who actually took her job seriously and acted with integrity
00:13:11.680 and loyalty to the whole country, to the law,
00:13:13.860 to Queen Elizabeth, you could say.
00:13:16.000 How do you think this is going to go over with everyone and anyone
00:13:20.100 who believed the googly eyes, Trudeau?
00:13:22.680 The friend to all, lovable, huggable Trudeau of every gay pride parade,
00:13:27.380 of every aboriginal photo op, of every ethnic gathering,
00:13:30.740 Jody Wilson-Raybould proofs.
00:13:32.280 It's all a lie.
00:13:33.500 It's all just for show.
00:13:34.600 When push comes to shove, Trudeau is not about every ethnic group
00:13:39.600 and grievance group and race and gender group.
00:13:41.960 No, no.
00:13:42.840 That's all fake.
00:13:44.460 When push comes to shove, he answers to Neil Bruce,
00:13:49.340 the CEO of SNC-Lavalin,
00:13:51.700 whose company lobbied the PMO directly a dozen times
00:13:56.360 to push Jody Wilson-Raybould around.
00:13:58.860 Trudeau chose SNC-Lavalin over her.
00:14:03.400 It was a lie.
00:14:04.480 So much of Trudeau is a lie.
00:14:05.880 It's fake.
00:14:06.460 It's shallow.
00:14:07.120 He has this generic aboriginal tattoo on his shoulder.
00:14:11.640 Look at him.
00:14:12.520 How cringe is that?
00:14:14.440 It was cool and woke before.
00:14:17.720 Just ask him.
00:14:18.560 No, no, that's not cultural appropriation.
00:14:20.520 No, no, no, never.
00:14:21.360 It was proof of how cool Trudeau is.
00:14:23.660 Cool enough to appoint Jody Wilson-Raybould,
00:14:25.780 the justice minister,
00:14:26.660 he just never expected her to do any thinking on her own.
00:14:30.080 She had too much to think.
00:14:33.400 Come to think of it,
00:14:34.140 Trudeau has said and done strange things about Indians before.
00:14:38.020 Hey, do you remember this?
00:14:39.700 We're both known for our long hair on the hill.
00:14:42.620 Let's say the loser gets a haircut.
00:14:44.920 He resisted back a little bit,
00:14:46.880 you know, pointing out that hair has a cultural significance
00:14:49.800 for First Nations peoples.
00:14:51.020 And I said, I know.
00:14:52.640 That's why I proposed it.
00:14:53.860 When a warrior cuts his hair, it's a sign of shame.
00:14:56.020 So it's very apropos.
00:15:00.460 Guys, yeah, I absolutely know I was shaming
00:15:03.920 an aboriginal senator, Patrick Bresla.
00:15:07.600 Yeah, I know.
00:15:10.020 I know you're going to shave your head
00:15:12.380 because I know that's how to humiliate you guys.
00:15:19.740 I think that's the real Justin Trudeau.
00:15:23.380 He uses aboriginal imagery,
00:15:25.300 a tattoo or haircut or justice minister,
00:15:28.820 just to pursue his own interests
00:15:30.960 and those of his buddies.
00:15:32.100 Well, now he's met someone who won't go along with it.
00:15:36.040 I wonder how this is going to end.
00:15:38.380 I wonder how this is going to end.
00:15:40.700 Stay with us for an extended discussion about this.
00:15:42.880 Now, I have met with Minister Wilson-Raybould
00:16:00.580 a couple of times already since arriving in B.C. yesterday.
00:16:05.320 We spoke about our shared goals for our country
00:16:07.860 and for this government.
00:16:09.000 She confirmed for me a conversation we had this fall
00:16:12.440 where I told her directly
00:16:14.920 that any decisions on matters
00:16:17.260 involving the director of public prosecutions
00:16:20.040 were hers alone.
00:16:22.400 I respect her view that due to privilege,
00:16:25.280 she cannot comment or add
00:16:27.580 on matters recently before the media.
00:16:30.500 And I also highlight that we're bound
00:16:33.280 by cabinet confidentiality.
00:16:35.740 In our system of government, of course,
00:16:38.280 her presence in cabinet
00:16:40.120 should actually speak for itself.
00:16:43.020 Well, that was Justin Trudeau yesterday saying,
00:16:45.880 well, look, the fact that Jody Wilson-Raybould,
00:16:49.320 who I allegedly fired, according to the Globe and Mail,
00:16:52.600 the fact that she's still a loyal cabinet minister,
00:16:55.260 that tells you everything you need to know.
00:16:57.260 No, she's totally behind me.
00:16:59.320 Well, today, Jody Wilson-Raybould quit cabinet,
00:17:02.920 sending shockwaves through the entire political system,
00:17:07.640 I would say.
00:17:08.160 Let me quote two lines from it.
00:17:10.140 Dear Prime Minister, with a heavy heart,
00:17:11.560 I am writing to tender my resignation
00:17:13.040 as the Minister of Veterans Affairs
00:17:14.820 and Associate Minister of National Defense.
00:17:16.860 And let me skip down,
00:17:18.620 about two-thirds of the way down,
00:17:19.780 she says,
00:17:20.140 I am aware that many Canadians wish for me
00:17:23.500 to speak on matters that have been in the media
00:17:25.200 over the last week.
00:17:26.080 I am in the process of obtaining advice
00:17:28.720 on the topics that I am legally permitted
00:17:31.360 to discuss in this matter,
00:17:32.740 and as such, have retained
00:17:34.560 the Honorable Thomas Albert Cromwell, C.C.,
00:17:38.420 as counsel.
00:17:39.700 And just one last point,
00:17:40.960 she signs it,
00:17:42.320 Puglis, that is her aboriginal name,
00:17:45.260 above her English name,
00:17:47.000 Jody Wilson-Raybould.
00:17:48.680 That is a fighting document.
00:17:50.780 The fact that she's retained
00:17:51.720 a former Supreme Court judge
00:17:53.220 to give her advice
00:17:54.860 to tell her what to do
00:17:56.220 and how to talk about this
00:17:57.820 is very interesting to me.
00:18:00.440 There are real questions
00:18:01.400 about whether or not
00:18:02.180 she actually has
00:18:03.920 solicitor-client privilege
00:18:05.940 on this matter
00:18:07.120 that she has to submit to.
00:18:08.840 Justin Trudeau, of course,
00:18:09.860 could waive any such privilege
00:18:10.960 and say,
00:18:11.700 oh, you're free to talk,
00:18:12.860 I release you from that,
00:18:13.720 but he won't.
00:18:14.840 The government's in a panic.
00:18:16.400 As we record this,
00:18:17.700 Trudeau has already delayed
00:18:18.900 his press conference today
00:18:20.100 several times,
00:18:21.860 getting his ducks in a row,
00:18:23.380 I imagine.
00:18:24.740 The crisis is spreading,
00:18:26.240 and joining us now
00:18:27.080 is someone who I think
00:18:28.320 is uniquely positioned
00:18:29.480 to talk about this.
00:18:30.960 Let me just tell you
00:18:31.540 his biography.
00:18:32.140 You'll guess
00:18:32.740 who I'm talking about.
00:18:35.140 Former lawyer
00:18:36.340 to a prime minister.
00:18:38.460 Former boss
00:18:39.580 of a national law firm.
00:18:42.440 Someone who knows law
00:18:43.840 and politics
00:18:44.600 and where they overlap.
00:18:46.300 I'm talking about
00:18:46.980 our friend
00:18:47.340 Mandine Montenegrino,
00:18:49.140 the boss of Think Sharp,
00:18:50.740 who joined us now
00:18:51.380 via Skype from Ottawa.
00:18:52.740 Holy cow, Manny!
00:18:54.100 What a challenge!
00:18:55.460 Trudeau has gotten himself in.
00:18:56.780 Just for one second
00:18:57.900 before we get into it,
00:18:59.400 if you were his lawyer,
00:19:00.760 and I know you never would be,
00:19:02.440 but you were the lawyer
00:19:03.080 to the other prime minister,
00:19:04.600 if you were Trudeau's lawyer,
00:19:05.720 what would your
00:19:06.120 simplest advice to him be?
00:19:09.240 I'd say to Justin Trudeau,
00:19:12.120 what do you think
00:19:13.180 you should do?
00:19:14.440 And whatever he said,
00:19:16.100 I'd say do the opposite.
00:19:19.880 Manny, come on!
00:19:21.780 All right.
00:19:24.580 Let's get serious.
00:19:26.580 Here's what's...
00:19:27.500 There is so much,
00:19:28.960 so much in this discussion
00:19:32.420 that we're going to have.
00:19:33.880 What the prime minister did yesterday
00:19:36.000 was egregious.
00:19:37.720 Here he is,
00:19:39.000 he's protected by solicitor-client privilege,
00:19:42.360 yet goes out and speaks
00:19:43.780 not only for himself,
00:19:45.700 but tries to speak
00:19:47.040 for the once attorney general.
00:19:52.480 I mean, that is egregious.
00:19:54.220 If you have solicitor-client privilege,
00:19:56.180 don't speak.
00:19:57.680 Do not.
00:19:58.140 So he sat there
00:19:59.620 and purported to speak for her.
00:20:02.200 That must have outraged.
00:20:03.880 And then he gave
00:20:04.660 two veil warnings to her.
00:20:07.560 You're caught
00:20:08.280 by cabinet confidentiality,
00:20:10.540 and you're caught
00:20:11.540 by solicitor-client.
00:20:13.080 So you do not speak.
00:20:16.440 What does she do the next day?
00:20:18.280 She resigns from cabinet,
00:20:20.060 so she has no cabinet
00:20:21.300 responsibility
00:20:22.500 or confidentiality,
00:20:24.300 and she retains a top judge,
00:20:27.080 a judge of the Supreme Court
00:20:28.500 who's retired,
00:20:29.200 to give her advice to speak.
00:20:31.660 That's what she's done.
00:20:33.220 And it is incredible
00:20:34.300 that the prime minister
00:20:35.300 would have so much arrogance
00:20:36.720 to treat
00:20:37.780 to treat the independent
00:20:40.460 attorney general
00:20:41.400 who's there to protect
00:20:42.680 the justice
00:20:43.400 of all Canadians.
00:20:45.000 I mean, Ezra,
00:20:46.380 we've had
00:20:47.220 the Canadian Bar Association.
00:20:49.560 We've had
00:20:50.080 the Civil Liberties Union.
00:20:51.940 We've had
00:20:52.520 every lawyer
00:20:53.840 say what he has done
00:20:55.420 is wrong,
00:20:56.520 and he's taking on
00:20:58.140 Canada's justice system.
00:20:59.900 And thank God
00:21:01.760 we have
00:21:02.720 our
00:21:04.320 ex-attorney general
00:21:06.540 that sees fit
00:21:07.560 to put
00:21:08.060 the justice system.
00:21:09.380 And I find it ironic
00:21:10.440 that an Indigenous woman
00:21:11.880 is protecting
00:21:13.360 our
00:21:14.020 justice system,
00:21:15.820 which
00:21:15.960 stems back
00:21:17.460 to common law
00:21:18.480 England.
00:21:20.600 And there she is
00:21:21.560 protecting
00:21:22.080 for all Canadians
00:21:23.160 our justice system
00:21:24.720 against
00:21:25.640 a privileged
00:21:26.880 prime minister
00:21:29.020 who hides
00:21:30.080 behind his
00:21:30.860 privilege.
00:21:31.880 Now, Ezra,
00:21:33.160 there are more
00:21:34.500 and more
00:21:35.040 terrible things
00:21:36.420 about this file.
00:21:38.660 We have
00:21:39.260 the new
00:21:39.800 attorney general
00:21:40.540 that won't even
00:21:41.720 interview
00:21:43.380 the past
00:21:44.460 attorney general
00:21:45.160 who's been so courageous.
00:21:47.000 He won't even
00:21:47.480 interview her.
00:21:49.620 We have
00:21:51.080 the ethics
00:21:52.400 commissioner
00:21:52.920 just
00:21:53.560 seeing enough
00:21:54.860 information
00:21:55.480 to set up
00:21:56.420 an investigation,
00:21:58.300 yet
00:21:58.500 yet the new
00:21:59.980 attorney general
00:22:01.240 David Lamedi
00:22:02.960 won't even
00:22:03.900 interview anybody
00:22:04.960 in this crisis.
00:22:06.040 He's not
00:22:06.540 upholding
00:22:07.380 his duties
00:22:08.680 as attorney general.
00:22:10.560 We have
00:22:11.180 the prime minister
00:22:12.060 who's been found
00:22:13.180 guilty
00:22:13.860 five times
00:22:15.140 by an ethics
00:22:16.420 commissioner,
00:22:16.840 which is a judge,
00:22:17.960 virtually a judge.
00:22:19.040 It's a judicial,
00:22:20.080 a quasi-judicial body.
00:22:22.140 Five times
00:22:23.020 as being
00:22:23.800 and very,
00:22:25.340 very important
00:22:26.420 breaches.
00:22:27.180 One of them
00:22:28.000 is he failed
00:22:28.820 to recuse
00:22:29.500 himself.
00:22:30.580 The prime minister
00:22:31.260 was found guilty
00:22:32.120 for failing
00:22:32.700 to recuse
00:22:33.380 himself,
00:22:34.020 i.e.
00:22:34.320 not having
00:22:35.020 the judgment
00:22:36.020 to walk away
00:22:37.260 from a
00:22:38.280 conflict
00:22:39.320 situation.
00:22:40.920 And that's
00:22:41.380 similar to what
00:22:42.040 he's doing
00:22:42.700 at the PMO
00:22:44.220 or the accusations
00:22:45.160 that he's doing.
00:22:46.280 He was found
00:22:47.880 by the ethics
00:22:49.260 commissioner
00:22:49.760 to not
00:22:50.720 to be credible.
00:22:51.880 Now that is
00:22:52.520 the first time
00:22:53.660 in history
00:22:54.340 a prime minister
00:22:55.400 was found
00:22:56.200 not to be
00:22:56.760 credible
00:22:57.160 by a
00:22:58.620 judicial
00:23:00.680 officer.
00:23:01.740 Now we know
00:23:02.340 what not
00:23:02.900 credible means.
00:23:04.120 The judge
00:23:04.500 thinks they lied.
00:23:05.620 That was on the
00:23:06.280 issue of
00:23:07.100 he's a friend.
00:23:08.620 The Aga Khan
00:23:09.580 was a friend.
00:23:10.660 Well,
00:23:11.120 that was his
00:23:11.740 excuse.
00:23:12.560 A judge said,
00:23:13.520 no,
00:23:13.900 I don't take
00:23:14.780 your word.
00:23:16.020 And when you
00:23:16.500 have a judge
00:23:18.380 saying that
00:23:19.100 or a judicial
00:23:19.640 officer saying that
00:23:20.660 and then you have
00:23:21.260 the attorney
00:23:21.780 general believing
00:23:22.580 every word
00:23:23.700 that the prime
00:23:24.580 minister is saying
00:23:25.260 and will not
00:23:25.780 investigate when
00:23:26.900 there's evidence
00:23:27.620 that he was
00:23:28.480 found not to
00:23:29.500 be truthful
00:23:30.160 in by another
00:23:31.740 jurist,
00:23:32.760 it's frightening.
00:23:35.580 Manny,
00:23:36.140 you've said so
00:23:36.580 many things.
00:23:37.040 I've been taking
00:23:37.540 some notes.
00:23:38.580 Can I unpack
00:23:40.140 a few of these
00:23:40.820 different things?
00:23:41.580 Because each
00:23:42.160 one of them
00:23:42.660 is a devastating
00:23:45.040 point.
00:23:45.700 And we haven't
00:23:46.600 even talked
00:23:47.100 about what
00:23:48.020 was said in
00:23:49.100 Atlantic Canada
00:23:50.060 yesterday in
00:23:51.400 the trial of
00:23:52.420 the suspended
00:23:53.000 vice-admiral
00:23:53.780 Mark Norman.
00:23:55.180 And I guess
00:23:56.320 that's another
00:23:57.080 point.
00:23:57.600 But let me ask
00:23:58.260 you about
00:23:58.660 solicitor-client
00:23:59.780 privilege.
00:24:00.300 As I described
00:24:01.020 it yesterday,
00:24:01.500 it's sort of
00:24:01.900 like when you
00:24:02.300 go confess
00:24:03.480 something to
00:24:04.120 a priest or
00:24:05.180 tell something
00:24:05.860 to your doctor.
00:24:06.680 There's sort
00:24:07.020 of a privilege
00:24:08.180 about that that's
00:24:09.000 a deep secret
00:24:10.000 that the priest
00:24:10.580 can say,
00:24:10.980 oh, I'm not
00:24:11.360 going to tell
00:24:11.760 anyone.
00:24:13.060 And that's
00:24:13.640 what solicitor-client
00:24:14.320 privilege is.
00:24:15.000 It's on an
00:24:15.320 occasion of,
00:24:16.560 because public
00:24:17.740 policy is you
00:24:18.460 want people to
00:24:19.160 be able to
00:24:19.480 have very
00:24:20.320 candid conversations.
00:24:21.480 Even if it's
00:24:22.140 embarrassing,
00:24:23.000 you want them
00:24:23.540 to know it's
00:24:24.020 secret.
00:24:24.360 But isn't
00:24:25.140 one of the
00:24:25.600 rules, I mean,
00:24:26.360 I'm a former
00:24:26.760 lawyer myself,
00:24:27.900 Manny, obviously
00:24:29.400 didn't have as
00:24:30.260 much practice
00:24:30.760 as you, but
00:24:31.740 isn't one of
00:24:32.240 the things about
00:24:32.800 solicitor-client
00:24:33.460 privilege is if
00:24:34.920 the client,
00:24:36.320 which in this
00:24:36.880 case presumably
00:24:37.580 is Trudeau,
00:24:38.540 if he starts
00:24:39.380 to blab about
00:24:40.380 what was
00:24:41.080 discussed, that
00:24:42.880 waives or
00:24:44.080 voids the
00:24:45.600 privilege.
00:24:46.160 So if he
00:24:47.780 said, well,
00:24:48.240 I can't tell
00:24:48.760 you what we
00:24:49.060 discussed,
00:24:49.480 it was super
00:24:49.900 secret, and
00:24:50.440 if he would
00:24:50.780 stop there,
00:24:51.880 that's one
00:24:52.260 thing, but
00:24:52.920 then if he
00:24:53.260 says, oh,
00:24:53.580 and it was
00:24:53.820 great, and
00:24:54.300 we said
00:24:54.620 this, and
00:24:54.980 we said
00:24:55.240 that, that's
00:24:56.820 waived, and
00:24:57.580 now there's
00:24:58.020 no more
00:24:58.440 privilege.
00:24:58.980 Am I right
00:24:59.900 legally in
00:25:00.580 that, Manny?
00:25:01.300 Well, I think
00:25:02.580 yes, you are
00:25:03.460 right.
00:25:04.080 I mean,
00:25:04.340 privilege, first
00:25:05.280 of all, there's
00:25:05.720 a whole question
00:25:06.660 whether there
00:25:07.600 is a solicitor-client
00:25:08.880 privilege between
00:25:09.940 the Attorney
00:25:10.700 General exercising
00:25:12.080 her duty and
00:25:13.340 whoever.
00:25:15.140 You know, the
00:25:15.720 Prime Minister is
00:25:16.540 not her client.
00:25:17.300 I will
00:25:18.300 certainly say
00:25:18.980 this, where
00:25:19.820 these discussions
00:25:20.640 were happening
00:25:21.200 were the
00:25:21.560 Prime Minister's
00:25:22.340 office.
00:25:23.300 There were at
00:25:23.960 least 10
00:25:24.460 people in
00:25:24.900 that room.
00:25:26.260 They don't
00:25:27.200 enjoy privilege.
00:25:28.260 I do not
00:25:28.820 know why the
00:25:30.160 new Attorney
00:25:31.220 General or
00:25:32.120 anyone else or
00:25:33.380 the media is not
00:25:34.200 interviewing these
00:25:34.840 10 people.
00:25:35.580 They don't enjoy
00:25:36.420 privilege.
00:25:36.980 They never
00:25:37.360 retained the
00:25:38.080 Attorney General.
00:25:38.700 They are PMO
00:25:42.060 staffers, each
00:25:43.160 one of them.
00:25:43.920 The RCMP should
00:25:45.200 be walking in
00:25:45.940 and asking
00:25:46.480 questions because
00:25:47.360 this is about the
00:25:48.040 most serious
00:25:48.600 allegation you
00:25:49.340 can have, which
00:25:50.200 is obstruction of
00:25:51.160 justice.
00:25:51.740 They don't enjoy
00:25:52.560 privilege.
00:25:53.260 Whether the
00:25:53.720 Prime Minister
00:25:54.200 enjoys privilege,
00:25:55.140 that's questionable.
00:25:55.980 There are other
00:25:56.400 Attorney Generals
00:25:57.140 that have said no.
00:25:58.560 There's no
00:25:58.920 privilege.
00:25:59.820 The Attorney
00:26:00.440 General's
00:26:00.940 responsibility is to
00:26:01.880 the Crown.
00:26:02.580 It isn't to a
00:26:03.800 particular person.
00:26:04.820 And that is why
00:26:08.220 she has, I
00:26:09.280 believe that she
00:26:10.960 has received a
00:26:11.940 note, a
00:26:12.480 letter, a
00:26:12.980 threatening note,
00:26:13.600 a letter saying
00:26:14.140 don't speak.
00:26:16.140 I claim
00:26:17.480 privilege and
00:26:18.680 if you speak, I
00:26:19.900 will come after
00:26:20.640 you.
00:26:21.140 So she's retained
00:26:23.240 counsel and
00:26:24.420 she's retained
00:26:25.020 great counsel.
00:26:26.040 There is no
00:26:26.560 privilege.
00:26:26.980 You'll find out
00:26:27.640 that there will
00:26:28.020 be a legal
00:26:28.540 decision by the
00:26:30.200 eminent Supreme
00:26:31.360 Court Justice
00:26:32.040 Cromwell.
00:26:32.680 They'll say
00:26:32.860 privilege does not
00:26:34.740 lie here.
00:26:36.060 You know,
00:26:36.400 Manny, you're so
00:26:37.000 right.
00:26:37.320 Of course she's
00:26:38.160 received a letter
00:26:38.880 saying you don't
00:26:39.640 say a word.
00:26:40.580 I bet that
00:26:41.360 letter was
00:26:41.900 written, if not
00:26:43.120 by Gerald Butts,
00:26:43.920 by some, maybe
00:26:45.460 a Justice
00:26:45.840 Department lawyer
00:26:46.540 saying you
00:26:47.100 hush up.
00:26:47.980 Because it is,
00:26:48.900 I've heard people
00:26:49.680 say Trudeau was
00:26:51.720 not the client.
00:26:52.500 I mean, it's not
00:26:53.080 a personal
00:26:53.520 relationship.
00:26:54.740 Absolutely not.
00:26:55.540 And I think he
00:26:56.360 was blabbed.
00:26:56.860 I think he
00:26:57.360 provoked her
00:26:57.900 yesterday when he
00:26:58.980 said, huh, the
00:26:59.720 fact she's still
00:27:00.200 in cabinet tells
00:27:00.920 you all the
00:27:01.240 need to know.
00:27:02.120 I met with
00:27:02.700 her twice.
00:27:03.060 That's the
00:27:03.440 problem.
00:27:03.880 I mean, I
00:27:04.420 think that was
00:27:04.940 too much for
00:27:05.520 her.
00:27:06.040 Let me, you
00:27:06.940 talk about the
00:27:07.980 new Attorney
00:27:08.640 General, David
00:27:10.600 Lamedi, who's a
00:27:12.260 law professor from
00:27:13.860 McGill, actually
00:27:16.180 from the exact
00:27:16.800 same constituency
00:27:18.200 where SNC
00:27:19.420 Lavalin is
00:27:20.100 headquartered.
00:27:20.880 I want to play a
00:27:21.980 short clip from
00:27:22.760 over the weekend
00:27:23.400 where Evan
00:27:25.000 Solomon of CTV
00:27:25.920 did a really good
00:27:26.640 job of just
00:27:27.140 sort of shining a
00:27:29.020 light on the
00:27:29.640 fact that Lamedi
00:27:30.340 has shown a
00:27:31.220 tremendous lack
00:27:32.600 of curiosity,
00:27:33.880 Manny.
00:27:34.540 That his only
00:27:35.580 source of info,
00:27:36.440 if I'm listening
00:27:37.100 to this clip
00:27:37.720 correctly, he
00:27:39.020 didn't ask the
00:27:39.620 prime minister
00:27:40.060 tough questions.
00:27:41.360 He didn't ask
00:27:41.900 Gerald Butts
00:27:42.400 tough questions.
00:27:43.020 He didn't even
00:27:43.560 talk to his
00:27:45.000 predecessor, Jody
00:27:45.860 Wilson-Raybould.
00:27:46.560 He just watched
00:27:47.340 the news and
00:27:47.840 said, oh, Trudeau
00:27:48.860 said he didn't do
00:27:49.460 anything wrong.
00:27:49.980 That's good enough
00:27:50.500 for me.
00:27:50.780 Here, take a quick
00:27:51.580 look at this clip.
00:27:52.600 How can you say
00:27:53.640 with any degree of
00:27:54.820 certainty that there
00:27:55.980 was no pressure put
00:27:56.880 on her if you don't
00:27:57.760 know?
00:27:58.000 Who told you there
00:27:58.700 was no pressure?
00:27:59.180 The prime minister
00:28:00.060 has said publicly,
00:28:01.060 and I'm basing,
00:28:02.240 I'm basing, the prime
00:28:03.560 minister said that
00:28:04.260 the allegations contained
00:28:06.600 in the Globe and Mail
00:28:07.220 article were false.
00:28:08.740 The prime minister has
00:28:09.840 said that he did not
00:28:10.840 direct my predecessors,
00:28:12.740 so I'm basing it on what
00:28:14.300 he has said publicly.
00:28:14.980 You're a justice minister.
00:28:17.980 Is that, what he said
00:28:19.100 he didn't direct, is he
00:28:20.420 skating using legal
00:28:21.880 language around the
00:28:23.280 idea that there's
00:28:23.980 pressure, that there's
00:28:24.760 room, he may have
00:28:25.660 pressured her in other
00:28:26.800 ways, the prime
00:28:27.900 minister's office.
00:28:28.720 Are you 100% confident
00:28:30.660 that there was no
00:28:32.320 pressure in any way,
00:28:33.260 shape, or form?
00:28:33.880 I can't, look, I
00:28:34.700 can't speak to a
00:28:35.440 relationship that I
00:28:37.360 wasn't privy to.
00:28:38.520 That's clear.
00:28:39.320 But what I can, what
00:28:40.300 I can repeat to you
00:28:41.500 and to Canadians is what
00:28:42.440 the prime minister has
00:28:43.260 said.
00:28:43.440 Manny, just out of
00:28:44.780 curiosity, I mean, just
00:28:46.340 out of due diligence,
00:28:48.400 just out of meticulousness,
00:28:50.520 wouldn't you ask a
00:28:51.440 question?
00:28:51.840 I don't know anyone
00:28:52.740 who would say, oh,
00:28:53.540 yeah, I saw some guy
00:28:54.420 on TV, he said he
00:28:55.300 didn't do it, so that's
00:28:56.140 like, that's the top
00:28:58.900 legal officer in Canada
00:29:00.220 saying just some
00:29:01.380 political soundbites
00:29:02.400 good enough for him,
00:29:03.140 there's nothing to see
00:29:03.740 here.
00:29:04.080 That was, that was
00:29:05.040 cringeworthy.
00:29:06.440 Well, that is actually
00:29:08.040 more egregious to what
00:29:10.360 he's doing to the
00:29:11.820 administration of
00:29:12.620 justice than the
00:29:14.260 alleged obstruction
00:29:16.520 of justice that may
00:29:17.420 have happened at the
00:29:18.320 PMO.
00:29:19.220 The fact that we
00:29:20.500 have the Attorney
00:29:21.420 General, when you
00:29:22.520 have a serious issue
00:29:24.120 raised, you have a
00:29:25.940 minister that was
00:29:26.920 fired from her job, a
00:29:28.460 minister that's not
00:29:29.180 retired, and not
00:29:30.520 investigate, I mean, I
00:29:32.300 simply put it to this,
00:29:33.380 I think I did a tweet
00:29:34.340 towards, there will be
00:29:37.160 no crime in Canada if
00:29:39.360 that's the standard of
00:29:40.780 the Attorney General, if
00:29:42.060 all the accused has to
00:29:43.420 say is it never
00:29:44.400 happened, and no
00:29:45.300 further investigation
00:29:46.460 about the victims or
00:29:48.780 anyone else, there are
00:29:49.940 no crimes in Canada, we
00:29:51.220 have solved all crimes in
00:29:52.720 Canada, because all you
00:29:54.260 need is the accused to
00:29:55.100 say nothing happened.
00:29:56.500 It is egregious.
00:29:57.880 I am dumbfounded that
00:29:59.620 this, that, that, you
00:30:01.460 know, I'm also, I'm also
00:30:02.480 embarrassed that he's an
00:30:03.380 Italian, I'm an Italian,
00:30:04.980 I'm an Italian lawyer, and I
00:30:06.740 tell you, every lawyer, I
00:30:08.540 have, there is unanimity
00:30:10.460 on this, with liberals,
00:30:12.520 conservatives, anybody
00:30:14.460 that practice law or has
00:30:16.180 been in law is offended by
00:30:18.720 this, how this one lawyer
00:30:20.600 that's now the Attorney
00:30:21.560 General, and who was a
00:30:23.180 professor, I might add, it
00:30:25.200 is, it is, it is appalling
00:30:27.300 what he's doing.
00:30:28.540 This David Lamedi, I am, I
00:30:31.320 don't know how he could be
00:30:33.160 sleeping at night, watching
00:30:35.720 what's going on, especially
00:30:37.100 when you have the ethics
00:30:38.920 commissioner.
00:30:39.820 The ethics commissioner
00:30:40.900 has no teeth, that
00:30:43.580 legislation, he can't do
00:30:44.960 anything but investigate
00:30:46.280 and say, I fell wrong.
00:30:48.100 The Attorney General has
00:30:49.560 available to him the
00:30:51.320 Crown's Department, the
00:30:52.640 RCMP, the resources, and
00:30:54.620 the criminal code.
00:30:55.820 He chooses not to use that
00:30:57.580 and let this poor, and let
00:30:58.980 the ethics commissioner do
00:31:00.700 the work.
00:31:01.400 It is embarrassing and
00:31:03.640 appalling that the justice
00:31:05.360 in Canada is not being
00:31:07.520 done, and our Attorney
00:31:08.860 General is simply not
00:31:10.540 doing what a first-year
00:31:12.340 law student would know
00:31:13.520 what to do.
00:31:14.380 Hey, can I ask you a
00:31:15.280 question about David
00:31:16.340 Lamedi?
00:31:16.700 Because I was going
00:31:17.280 through the federal
00:31:20.240 lobbyist registry.
00:31:22.060 So when SNC-Lavalin was
00:31:23.620 making its rounds on
00:31:25.080 Parliament Hill, they met
00:31:25.920 with a lot of people.
00:31:27.120 And I should say, I think
00:31:28.780 lobbying is okay.
00:31:31.080 I think it's a fancy way
00:31:32.500 of saying, bringing
00:31:33.540 something to the
00:31:34.260 attention of a politician.
00:31:35.640 I think there's some
00:31:36.580 people that, just out of
00:31:37.860 good judgment, maybe a
00:31:38.820 politician should never
00:31:39.640 meet with.
00:31:40.340 But if you're the
00:31:41.060 president of a major
00:31:42.040 company, I think it's
00:31:43.880 probably okay for someone
00:31:45.860 to meet you.
00:31:47.040 But they lobbied David
00:31:49.480 Lamedi personally about
00:31:51.600 18 months ago.
00:31:53.160 And here's the copy of
00:31:54.560 that communication report.
00:31:57.080 He was parliamentary
00:31:57.920 secretary to the
00:31:59.600 minister of industry at
00:32:01.620 the time.
00:32:02.320 But they had a private
00:32:03.260 meeting with him about a
00:32:04.740 year and a half ago.
00:32:06.020 And, you know, maybe
00:32:07.020 that's fine.
00:32:07.860 In fact, I don't think
00:32:09.020 that's a problem itself.
00:32:10.200 But here's the question.
00:32:11.460 If they convinced him of
00:32:13.320 something, if they
00:32:14.100 persuaded him of
00:32:15.240 something, if he agreed
00:32:17.140 to go to bat for them, if
00:32:18.560 he agreed to pass on a
00:32:19.660 message for them, if he
00:32:21.220 took any notes on that, I
00:32:23.200 think that's all relevant
00:32:24.220 to whether or not it's
00:32:26.140 good enough for him to say,
00:32:27.140 oh, I see nothing, I hear
00:32:28.260 nothing.
00:32:28.520 Because if he would
00:32:29.840 have said to them in
00:32:30.640 any way, you guys make a
00:32:32.640 good case, or I didn't
00:32:35.220 know what to think, but
00:32:36.020 you've changed my mind on
00:32:37.520 this, or I promise I'll
00:32:39.900 pass on a message to Jody
00:32:41.220 Wilson-Raybould, if he
00:32:42.900 would have indicated at all
00:32:44.060 that his heart was moved
00:32:46.040 by them, wouldn't that be
00:32:48.020 a reason that the world
00:32:50.660 could say, well, you're
00:32:51.360 biased, Mr.
00:32:52.260 Lamedi.
00:32:52.640 You indicated that you
00:32:54.880 were on their side, and
00:32:56.180 now you've moved from
00:32:57.960 just someone who was
00:32:59.940 lobbied to sort of a
00:33:00.860 decision maker, and
00:33:02.460 that's inappropriate, you
00:33:03.880 should recuse yourself.
00:33:04.880 What do you think of
00:33:05.240 that, Manny?
00:33:06.080 Yeah, absolutely.
00:33:07.160 You don't have to, Ezra,
00:33:08.520 you don't have to get into
00:33:09.980 whether there was bias or
00:33:11.620 not.
00:33:12.400 That is, there's a simple
00:33:14.340 apprehension of bias.
00:33:16.300 Once you meet with
00:33:17.400 someone, and now you're the
00:33:18.920 Attorney General, I mean,
00:33:20.240 I guess he got this job as
00:33:21.860 Attorney General, he
00:33:23.320 never knew that when he
00:33:24.500 was lobbied by SNC, and
00:33:26.380 that lobbying was proper
00:33:27.760 and it was right, and I
00:33:29.180 agree with you, and of
00:33:30.440 course, every MP should be
00:33:32.000 able to meet with
00:33:32.880 anybody, but once you are
00:33:34.400 now put in the position of
00:33:36.760 Attorney General, and
00:33:38.280 you're dealing with the
00:33:39.080 issue of obstruction of
00:33:40.860 justice, and you had been
00:33:43.160 lobbied, you have only one
00:33:44.840 duty, and that is to
00:33:45.720 recuse yourself from this
00:33:47.380 file, or step down as
00:33:49.360 Attorney General, you can't
00:33:50.480 deal with it.
00:33:51.080 Now, the great oddness is
00:33:53.480 the Prime Minister had that
00:33:55.680 very same problem, and he
00:33:58.020 was found to be guilty of
00:34:00.880 the Ethics Act for not
00:34:02.460 recusing himself when he
00:34:03.880 stood and gave a chunk of
00:34:06.500 money to a person that he
00:34:07.920 took a $200,000 gift from.
00:34:09.980 It's very simple, he
00:34:11.120 shouldn't be in the room.
00:34:12.500 If you're going to take a
00:34:13.600 $200,000 gift, don't be in
00:34:15.540 the room when you're giving
00:34:16.420 someone $20 million, that's
00:34:18.960 very simply understood, and
00:34:21.100 Lamedy knows, must know, that
00:34:24.000 the moment he became Attorney
00:34:25.720 General, and this file hit his
00:34:27.660 door, and he was made Attorney
00:34:30.100 General on this file, he should
00:34:31.720 have said to the Prime Minister,
00:34:33.140 no, I can't become Attorney
00:34:34.640 General, because I met, and I
00:34:37.300 have to recuse myself, and I'm
00:34:39.280 sure they had that discussion,
00:34:40.800 and I'm sure they said, forget
00:34:42.420 about it, you don't have to
00:34:44.120 worry about recusing, go ahead
00:34:45.860 and save me.
00:34:46.920 You know, I saw that the PMO
00:34:50.300 and their message repeaters
00:34:52.420 were saying, oh, the Ethics
00:34:53.640 Commissioner is looking into
00:34:54.580 this, I sense that that is
00:34:56.960 their way of saying, well, we
00:34:58.000 know that the Ethics
00:34:59.400 Commissioner doesn't have all
00:35:00.760 the teeth of other possible
00:35:03.000 inquiries, doesn't have the
00:35:04.520 power or the resources of the
00:35:06.960 RCMP, doesn't have, like,
00:35:09.100 you're not going to have a
00:35:10.060 wiretap by the Ethics
00:35:11.440 Commissioner, you might have
00:35:12.420 that if you're the RCMP, you're
00:35:14.580 not, so, so it's their way of
00:35:16.440 saying, okay, who's the weakest,
00:35:18.240 tamest judge there is, and even
00:35:21.720 if they convict, it'll be a
00:35:23.380 $200 fine and a little
00:35:25.000 embarrassment.
00:35:25.920 So I think they looked and
00:35:26.940 said, uh-oh, we're in deep
00:35:28.140 trouble here.
00:35:29.400 I mean, these, SNC-Lavalin is
00:35:32.160 being prosecuted for paying
00:35:33.900 $48 million in bribes, so we're
00:35:35.620 already in heavy, heavy criminal
00:35:37.260 territory here, and they said,
00:35:38.940 oh, just give it to the
00:35:39.840 kindergarten cop, give it to the
00:35:41.480 gentlest of all, and it, to me,
00:35:44.760 it looks like they're saying,
00:35:45.640 well, let's preempt an RCMP
00:35:47.440 investigation.
00:35:48.800 Remember, it was the cops who
00:35:50.320 went after Mike Duffy.
00:35:51.800 Right.
00:35:52.440 And that was, whatever you think
00:35:53.980 of Mike Duffy, they brought in
00:35:55.060 the full police squad.
00:35:57.320 Here, Trudeau just wants some
00:35:59.240 baby cop to take it on.
00:36:00.700 I think he's, I think that shows
00:36:02.520 that he's trying to damage
00:36:03.620 control.
00:36:04.860 Absolutely.
00:36:05.440 I mean, there's no question
00:36:06.340 about it.
00:36:07.200 This does not belong in the
00:36:09.020 ethics commissioner's hands.
00:36:10.660 This is not about ethics.
00:36:12.080 This is about saving Canada's
00:36:14.200 judicial system, saving
00:36:16.760 Canada's rule of law.
00:36:18.860 The ethics commissioner is the
00:36:21.420 least person equipped to do that.
00:36:23.820 This is probably one of the most
00:36:25.480 serious charges you can have,
00:36:27.320 obstruction of justice.
00:36:28.080 It is so serious, Ezra, that we
00:36:31.680 have two Canadians in jail in
00:36:34.300 China because we have said to
00:36:36.720 China, we removed a, a, a, a
00:36:40.300 ambassador to China, McCallum.
00:36:43.400 We have said to the world that the
00:36:45.980 rule of law of Canada is so
00:36:47.720 important that Canadians can perish
00:36:49.900 in jail in China because rule of
00:36:53.660 law is everything.
00:36:54.620 We understand that.
00:36:55.760 And while he said that in two
00:36:58.540 instances, at least right now,
00:37:00.440 one was, of course, what we have
00:37:02.360 before us right now, which is the
00:37:04.480 SNC-Lavalin, whether there was a
00:37:06.420 obstruction of justice.
00:37:07.540 And the second one is by Judge
00:37:09.440 Perkin McVeigh, who said in open
00:37:12.520 court that, well, there goes the
00:37:14.860 independence of the Crown
00:37:16.480 Prosecution Office because it was
00:37:20.100 influenced by the PMO.
00:37:23.140 And this is in the Norman trial case.
00:37:25.700 We have two trials or two situations
00:37:28.320 where the prime minister's, the
00:37:30.340 allegedly the prime minister's office
00:37:32.040 is, is obstructing justice.
00:37:34.500 And we have Canadians and Ezra.
00:37:37.740 And I said this to my wife, my heart
00:37:39.920 goes out to the Canadians that are
00:37:41.340 caught in jail because of this prime
00:37:43.760 minister who has now made it very
00:37:46.260 clear that he has obstructed and he will.
00:37:49.200 And he and China is looking at this
00:37:51.580 and saying, this is an absolute joke,
00:37:54.020 this government.
00:37:54.800 Yeah.
00:37:55.320 You know, Manny, you refer to the case
00:37:56.820 of that's going on in Atlantic Canada
00:38:00.100 right now.
00:38:00.560 We haven't gone deep on it on this show.
00:38:02.660 So just to remind our our viewers,
00:38:04.860 here's a story in the CBC called
00:38:06.560 Norman's Defense accuses Trudeau PMO
00:38:09.540 of attempting to direct prosecution.
00:38:11.840 And that quote you mentioned by Judge
00:38:13.660 Heather Perkins McVeigh, she said so
00:38:15.840 much for the independence of the PPSC.
00:38:17.640 That's for it stands for the Public
00:38:18.980 Prosecution Service of Canada.
00:38:20.640 So a judge is saying that just a quick
00:38:22.720 reminder, it's a vice admiral of the
00:38:26.580 Navy, Mark Norman, who has been blamed,
00:38:31.640 who has been charged with the leaking
00:38:35.340 confidential material.
00:38:37.280 And as his legal defense goes deeper
00:38:39.860 and deeper, it is clear that there were
00:38:42.160 political machinations to blame him.
00:38:44.260 Scott Bryson resigned from cabinet.
00:38:46.380 A lot of people think it's, so I think
00:38:49.060 it's fair to say that Trudeau has now
00:38:50.600 lost two cabinet ministers over this
00:38:53.940 interference in judicial matters.
00:38:56.480 That's, that's crazy.
00:38:59.280 There's a third aspect to Ezra that I want
00:39:02.960 to bring to your attention.
00:39:04.280 And that is obstruction of the defense
00:39:07.660 of a vice admiral.
00:39:09.040 The defense counsel is trying to obtain
00:39:12.460 documents and, and, and it's been
00:39:15.460 obstructed by the PMO and they're not
00:39:17.840 delivering documents and they're subpoenaing
00:39:19.920 it through a judge.
00:39:20.880 Now I can't, I do not understand for the
00:39:24.020 life of me, how the government of Canada
00:39:26.020 is holding documents that may assist the
00:39:29.640 defense of a vice admiral.
00:39:30.980 And, and, and the defense counsel has to
00:39:33.920 fight, uh, uh, you may recall during the
00:39:37.360 Duffy case, and the Duffy case was $90,000
00:39:40.620 worth of expenses that were paid back.
00:39:42.980 Not only did everyone cooperate in the PMO's
00:39:47.420 office, cooperate with the crown's office, but
00:39:50.520 the prime minister waived his privilege in
00:39:52.840 order to get all the information before the
00:39:54.920 courts to assist the courts.
00:39:56.560 We have obstruction after obstruction after
00:39:59.880 obstruction with this, with this, uh, PMO
00:40:03.240 government.
00:40:04.880 It's incredible.
00:40:05.800 Manny, I'd say I could talk with you all
00:40:07.320 day about this, but I know you've got to
00:40:08.600 go.
00:40:08.780 I want to raise one last thing.
00:40:10.440 Sure.
00:40:10.900 It's about, uh, Jody Wilson-Raybould
00:40:12.660 herself.
00:40:13.300 I disagreed with her on certain, uh, policy
00:40:16.260 matters as, as one would expect.
00:40:18.500 She's a liberal.
00:40:19.140 I'm not, but I have to say, I think you
00:40:22.880 accurately said it.
00:40:23.800 It's quite something to watch her stand
00:40:25.260 up for the rule of law.
00:40:26.560 From an Anglo-Saxon legal tradition, uh, she's
00:40:30.020 an Aboriginal activist, as was her dad, but
00:40:33.260 she believes enough in the law that she
00:40:35.600 wasn't willing to bend to Trudeau's political
00:40:38.160 demands if, if what we think has happened
00:40:41.120 here is what's happened here.
00:40:42.300 I want to ask you or point out one last
00:40:44.320 thing and get your comment on it.
00:40:46.080 I mentioned that in her resignation letter,
00:40:48.860 she signed it pugless, P-U-G-L-A-L-S, which
00:40:53.440 is, um, an Aboriginal name.
00:40:55.900 I think that her grandma gave her.
00:40:57.540 So it's very, now her English name is underneath
00:41:00.840 that, but it, it's sort of resonating that she's
00:41:04.280 doing this for the generations.
00:41:05.560 She's doing this out of some deep, like, I thought
00:41:08.060 that was a very interesting touch.
00:41:09.320 And her dad, who was a political activist in his
00:41:13.220 day, too, who went head-to-head with Justin Trudeau's
00:41:16.720 dad, Pierre Trudeau, her dad isn't bound by any
00:41:21.460 confidentiality.
00:41:22.980 He's Facebooking up a storm on this, and he says,
00:41:26.580 finally, Jody, you'll be able to speak honestly, and
00:41:28.660 we're fighting, we're fighting.
00:41:29.320 I think that Justin Trudeau loves appointing quotas and
00:41:35.620 tokens to cabinet.
00:41:36.840 He says to himself, he boasts about how many of this race
00:41:39.720 and that gender, and in many cases, they are just
00:41:42.580 tokens.
00:41:43.240 They'll do whatever he says just to cling on to power.
00:41:46.560 But I think the beautiful, delicious, poetic, karmic
00:41:50.600 irony here, Manny, is that the ultimate box checker,
00:41:55.480 women, check, Aboriginal, check, West Coast, check,
00:41:58.760 progressive, check, actually turned out to be the one
00:42:02.280 who believed in things so deeply that she refused to
00:42:07.560 be just window dressing.
00:42:09.740 And Trudeau doesn't know how to fight that because he's
00:42:13.900 used to emoting and affirmative action and progress.
00:42:17.560 She is actually a woman of principle, it seems to me, and
00:42:21.640 he doesn't even know how to fight her.
00:42:23.560 What do you think of that?
00:42:24.080 No, absolutely.
00:42:25.740 And there is another woman of principle, Leona, that
00:42:27.920 crossed the floor.
00:42:30.080 There are great women on both sides of the aisle, and the
00:42:34.760 great ones stand up and they speak to truth and speak to
00:42:38.520 power.
00:42:39.400 And we've seen two from the liberal side.
00:42:41.840 It's very hard.
00:42:43.000 I suspect there's more that's going to happen.
00:42:45.900 I will say one thing that I'm very proud of Puglis' father.
00:42:51.000 I am a dad, a very strong, strong, bright, brilliant woman.
00:42:58.220 And she is combative.
00:43:00.220 She is strong.
00:43:01.840 And I could see that if it was my daughter and she was in that
00:43:06.660 situation, she would stand up strong and I would be by her side.
00:43:10.300 So I give great kudos to dad stepping up and, you know, there's no greater bond than a dad
00:43:17.840 and a daughter.
00:43:19.140 And it could never be outdone by the faux feminism of the prime minister.
00:43:27.600 He didn't understand that great relationship.
00:43:31.500 And I'm glad to see it played out.
00:43:33.320 I saw his Facebook statements.
00:43:35.880 He's a tough man, a tough dad, and tough men and tough dads with tough daughters don't get
00:43:41.100 pushed around by fake feminists.
00:43:43.300 Wow.
00:43:43.620 That's a really nice way to end our conversation, Manny.
00:43:46.340 You're so right on that.
00:43:47.440 I should note that Trudeau was scheduled to have press conferences.
00:43:50.940 The time has been moving.
00:43:52.060 So we're recording this before Trudeau's final press conference.
00:43:55.380 Who knows, it might not even happen today, but we'll be sure to follow the story in the
00:43:59.840 days ahead.
00:44:00.540 Manny, as always, thank you so much for providing a political and legal point of view.
00:44:05.180 It's just great.
00:44:05.900 And we look forward to talking to you again.
00:44:07.900 Great.
00:44:08.200 Thanks a lot, Ezra.
00:44:08.860 All right.
00:44:09.080 That's our friend Manny Montenegrino, former chairman of a national law firm, former
00:44:13.420 lawyer to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and the CEO of ThinkSharp.
00:44:18.180 He joined us today via Skype from Ottawa.
00:44:20.900 Stay with us.
00:44:21.500 More ahead on The Rebel.
00:44:25.380 Hey, welcome back to my monologue yesterday about the SNC-Lavalin scandal.
00:44:37.500 We talked about it again today.
00:44:38.540 Jay writes, too big to jail.
00:44:42.380 Well, don't laugh.
00:44:43.340 Cabinet was asked to blacklist SNC-Lavalin from any government contracts.
00:44:48.220 As you know, the World Bank will not allow any country to use SNC-Lavalin on a job if
00:44:54.840 there's World Bank money.
00:44:55.840 Too corrupt.
00:44:56.700 So obviously, Canada's cabinet was asked to do the same thing, but they literally said,
00:45:00.440 we don't care how corrupt they are.
00:45:01.780 They're too big to fail.
00:45:03.480 Too big to jail is a good riff on that.
00:45:05.660 Paul writes, nobody does corruption quite like the liberals.
00:45:09.280 It helps that they can generally count on the media party to cover for them.
00:45:12.360 You're exactly right.
00:45:14.440 And a $595 million bailout accelerates that.
00:45:18.360 That's why I'm amazed that Bob Fyfe got this published.
00:45:20.960 I mean, I pointed out that in December 2016, the Globe and Mail report on Business Magazine,
00:45:26.580 that's their flagship mag, had Neil Bruce, the SNC-Lavalin boss on the cover, and they
00:45:33.460 said he was the hero who redeemed the company.
00:45:35.920 So literally two months ago, the Globe and Mail was part of SNC-Lavalin's lobbying effort.
00:45:41.300 It's amazing this story ever saw the light of day.
00:45:45.040 Ron writes, Trudeau and his cabinet already should have been charged.
00:45:48.220 The opposition had numerous opportunities to bring him down and didn't.
00:45:51.780 Trudeau will just skate away the SNC-Lavalin fiasco.
00:45:55.060 Clearly shows that corruption in Ottawa is deep, rampant, and full of rot.
00:45:59.400 Ron, I don't know how the opposition can bring him down because we don't have the kind of
00:46:03.260 checks and balances in our system as they do in the United States.
00:46:05.600 For example, there's just simply no way that you could get the kind of independent special
00:46:12.220 counsel like Mueller, who's been on a two-year, $20 million wild goose chase, frankly, trying
00:46:19.200 to find proof that Donald Trump is a Russian spy.
00:46:22.540 He's got, what, a dozen staff, hunter killers, investigating, subpoenaing, inditing.
00:46:28.200 He hasn't found anything on Trump, but he's just knocking over everything in the China
00:46:32.660 shop.
00:46:33.740 That doesn't happen in Canada.
00:46:35.600 It just doesn't happen in Canada.
00:46:37.400 There was something like that, some inquiry, I don't even remember what it was, but 30 years
00:46:41.480 ago, and I think it was, I think Craig Chan just pulled the plug on.
00:46:43.860 I'm trying to remember the details.
00:46:46.160 Yeah, we don't have that.
00:46:47.920 Trudeau wanted the ethics counselor to look into things because it's like a $200 fine if
00:46:54.160 you're convicted.
00:46:54.780 Now it looks like the liberals might be agreeing to having the Justice Committee of Parliament
00:46:59.780 look into it.
00:47:00.400 They don't have police power to do raids, to do search warrants, to do wiretaps.
00:47:08.260 This is a criminal matter.
00:47:09.820 SNC-Lavalin did admit to paying $48 million in bribes, did admit to getting over $100 million
00:47:15.580 worth of payoffs in Libya.
00:47:17.460 This is crime at the highest levels.
00:47:20.380 I think it's going to take a tiny bit more than a few MPs having half an hour to ask
00:47:25.800 scripted questions in a play fight.
00:47:29.040 So yeah, I'm going to disagree with you on this one, Ron.
00:47:31.320 I don't believe that the opposition, I don't believe anything in our Canadian system has
00:47:34.640 the power to take on corruption like this other than the police.
00:47:37.740 And they've been pretty silent.
00:47:41.260 That's our show for today.
00:47:43.040 We've got some big news coming for you tomorrow.
00:47:45.140 I don't mean to tease you.
00:47:46.300 I just want to make sure you tune in.
00:47:48.120 Until then, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, you at home, good
00:47:51.340 night and keep fighting for freedom.
00:48:07.740 Thank you.
00:48:12.160 Amen.