Racism activists outraged by new study showing Canada isn't a racist country
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A new study shows that Canada is not a racist country, and racism activists are outraged. Ezra takes you through it, and explains why you should not be either. Plus, Ezra's on-the-road update from the road.
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Oh, hey, Rebels. I saw this story on CTV with Desmond Cole. He's a black extremist activist huckster hustler.
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I saw him on CTV saying we're a white supremacist society, and he was referring to a survey on racism,
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and I actually did what CTV didn't. I read the survey, and I'll take you through it.
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Hi, everybody. Ezra Levant here. I recorded today's monologue before the news of Andrew Scheer stepping down
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because I'm on the road and wanted to get that show squared away, and then what do you know?
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Now, reports say that the fundraising arm of the Conservative Party discovered
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that he was getting unapproved payments to cover the costs of his kids' private school in Ottawa,
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I mean, he makes a quarter million dollars a year as a leader of the opposition,
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and he's done so for 10 years because he was making a huge salary as Speaker of the House,
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and both as leader of the opposition and Speaker of the House, he had a free home,
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And, of course, you get a ton of perks as an MP,
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so I just don't understand why he couldn't pay for his own school.
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I just find the whole thing very odd, and it undermines any claim he has
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It just doesn't make sense, and it certainly doesn't square with his image of a just folks regular Joe.
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I find it odd, and he says that's not why he resigned.
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Maybe that's true, but the fact is he's gone, and to which I say, good.
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He's an unremarkable man who did not leave a mark,
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and I think the problem was he was not a fighter.
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He was just sort of a candidate that gamed the system,
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that made sense maybe on paper, but not in spirit.
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and now the party doesn't have to dig him out and blast him out,
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and I look forward to seeing the names of the people who will throw their hat into the ring.
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If I had to pull some names out of the air, I'd suggest, oh, for example,
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or Candace Bergen, the outstanding Manitoba MP.
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Either way, Rebel News will be part of the debate,
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because I tell you one thing, the CBC ain't gonna play it straight.
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All right, that's it for my on-the-road update.
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Tonight, a new study shows that Canada is not a racist country,
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It's December 12th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government, the why I'm publishing,
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I know it because I've lived here my whole life.
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I've lived in Vancouver, in Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa.
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I've traveled to nine provinces and two territories.
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Now, all of us are sinners, and all of us have our quirks and prejudices and even bigotries,
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but as countries go, I truly think we've got the best score on that issue.
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I mean, America is amazing, but they did have slavery.
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and they literally declared war against slavery 200 years ago.
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The British Navy literally hunted down slave ships the same way they hunted down pirates.
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There are some ethnically homogeneous countries, like Japan, for example,
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but that's simply because there's no one else there, ethnically speaking.
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I acknowledge we have treated aboriginal people poorly to this day in the Indian Act,
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but I think in the main, most racism is actually conducted in the name of do-goodery.
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The Indian Act itself was designed to help Indians by treating them like children, to protect them.
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You see that in the Act to this day, special government protections for Indians,
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giving the governments the power, for example, to revise a last will and testament
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if some government bureaucrat thinks someone on the reserve didn't do it right.
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So yeah, there's still racism, but I truly believe it's done by the do-gooders more than by normal people.
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You see what happened in the Black Lives Matter movement, which is a U.S. street gang, really.
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They were involved in various politically motivated riots.
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They operated with the approval of the Obama White House.
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They were like the exclamation point on Obama's policies.
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In my view, they were a way to ensure that the black community kept voting Democrat,
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no matter how bad things got in Democrat-run cities like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore.
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There are some old black communities in Canada, including in Nova Scotia,
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But there's no massive, deep, ingrained, deep-seated racism against blacks in Canada.
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And neither would Harriet Tubman, who helped free black slaves
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and lead them through the Underground Railroad to Canada.
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They're beaming with pride in Canada's role in that just last month
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because there's this new movie out about Tubman,
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The CBC was pretty upset that the movie spelled a Canadian city's name wrong.
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Tubman's journey following the North Star ultimately led her to St. Catharines, Ontario.
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While the city is briefly featured in the film and unfortunately misspelled,
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On the one hand, they're proud of Harriet Tubman's role and Canada's role.
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And like so many second-rateders, the CBC's really excited
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So they were thrilled to talk about the movie and Canada's role in freeing the slaves.
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But on the other hand, they really believe in the grievance culture too,
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in being unhappy and seeing the worst of people.
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So they don't want to get carried away by how excellent Canada was on the slavery issue.
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I mean, sure, Canada may be where all the slaves dreamed of escaping to,
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but the CBC knows that deep down, in our hearts, we were evil races too.
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So they have done their best to demonize Johnny MacDonald,
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and they cheer whenever his statue is taken down.
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They cheered when he was removed from our $10 bill
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and replaced by a black woman that really no one had heard of before, Viola Desmond.
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Someone whose grand experience with fighting racism was that she was asked to leave
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a theater in Nova Scotia because she sat in a place where the white theater owner said
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And she faced an obscure tax prosecution over being short one cent in her tax for her theater ticket.
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So she fought this one foolish theater thing and then got on with her life.
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I'm not sure if she's a great champion of freedom on par with our founding prime minister.
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But she's necessary for the narrative that paints Canada's past as deeply racist.
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If that movie theater incident was your worst case of racist atrocities,
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There just really isn't any high office in Canada that is closed in any way to minorities.
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We've had judges, leaders of industry, obviously sports heroes, entertainment heroes.
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Think of rapper Drake and Toronto's basketball team, the Raptors.
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My main thoughts about them are they're sort of American.
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They were completely embraced as Canadian heroes, though.
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To say that we have some sort of inherent racism in Canada just isn't true.
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Now, Black Lives Matter set up a branch plant in Canada, sort of a colony.
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They were importing U.S. themes and stories and grievances to here.
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another fake grassroots protest that was sent up from America.
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In America, their banks failed a dozen years ago
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and were bailed out by the government a dozen years ago.
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We just didn't have the things they were mad about.
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But, of course, there's a market for grievances,
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the same way Trudeau put Viola Desmond on the $10 bill,
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the same way we have an official affirmative action law in Canada
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the same way Trudeau has racial quotas in his cabinet.
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and a lot of the establishment buys into the Marxism of racial grievance politics.
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He takes the so-called solutions to problems we never had
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or at least didn't have in any intolerable way.
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There were black cowboys in Alberta a century ago.
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It wasn't the way it was in the Confederate States.
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But like I say, there's a whole industry built up around racial hucksters
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If America has this whole grievance industry, why shouldn't Canada?
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A new survey shows that racism isn't really a big deal in Canada,
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Activist says survey shows Canadians in denial.
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A new national survey shows that Canadians are in denial about racism,
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released the Race Relations in Canada 2019 survey on Tuesday
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outlining Canadian views on racial discrimination.
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Before they even tell you what the survey says,
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because a Toronto activist said we're all in denial.
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Canadians were optimistic reporting on other aspects,
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Eight in ten Canadians said race relations in their own communities
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are generally good with the largest majority of positive views
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and the smallest majority among indigenous respondents, 69%.
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Even Aboriginal Canadians, 69%, think race relations are good.
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not a systemic issue embedded in Canadian institutions.
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Two-thirds of respondents said people from all races
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have the same opportunities to succeed in life.
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Unsurprisingly, a lot of Canadians are in denial
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We can ask Canadians how they feel about this all they want to.
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The only people whose opinions on this subject matter
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because this study shows that we're experiencing
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So millions of Canadians who think things are pretty good.
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And then maybe there's a few bad apples out there,
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his own neighbors racist and white supremacist.
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Let me show you the survey they're talking about.
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Not only do most Canadians think race relations are good,
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But again, those are numbers that show a success.
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On page 10, almost everyone says our race relations
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if we're all fine without them to pour salt in our wounds?
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They're probably looking for a grievance monger like him.
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No wonder they didn't mention this on the CTV story.
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Now, racialized is a weird way of saying visible minorities.
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And you can see that they've broken down the answers by race.
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Now, being treated with respect is such a subjective question.
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It's not, will you be treated equally before the law?
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So the question is, will you be treated with respect?
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They think Canada is less racist than guilty white liberals.
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And even look, 63% of Aboriginal people say so.
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no, they are treated disrespectfully by the Indian Act.
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And even the black community that Desmond Cole claims to speak for,
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I think white people are the most guilty about this country.
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Will your kids face more or less racism than you?
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Except this grouchy ingrate on CTV calling us all white supremacists.
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and more recently his successful effort to remove the Toronto police presidents
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Hang on, that's what you're doing in life to make the world a better place?
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Because I would think getting kids friendly and comfortable with police is a good thing.
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Here are some of his tweets from his own Twitter feed.
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I'm going to show you what he's like when he's not watching his P's and Q's on CTV.
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I'm not going to edit them, but I'm not going to speak them all out loud.
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Also, F mainstream Canadian media outlets for constantly forcing independent journalists
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You are literally killing us with your complicity in silence.
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The man who burned those flags is a hero and must be protected at all costs.
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You want to watch Africans die then adjudicate your humanity from your couch after the fact?
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Well, first of all, if they're here, we don't call them Africans anymore.
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I mean, I guess you could call them African-Canadian, but they're Canadians, mate.
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And body cams, they make everyone on their best behavior.
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And yeah, if a cop did kill someone, I want proof of it.
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I also want proof that any complaint isn't just from some grievance huckster like you.
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I think body cams are good for both police and suspects.
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So he's writing a beautiful parody of our anthem with F the police in it.
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Unless you're contradicting me, in which case shut the F up.
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I support sleeping with conservatives because someone has to F some sense into him.
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Actually, earlier I said that Canada just isn't a hateful, racist place.
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You know, reading all these tweets from Desmond Cole, maybe I'm wrong.
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It's so weirdly the guy who's calling all the rest of us bigots.
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But he sounds like he's the biggest hater around.
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Well, I can't remember which U.S. congressman it was,
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but he tweeted a link to the most surprising and interesting essay I've read all year.
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It was basically, why would anyone want an AR-15?
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The way it was phrased was, what the hell do you need an AR-15 for anyways?
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It's a question put to firearms rights enthusiasts or preppers,
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people who say they're preparing for some event.
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And it seems like a normal liberal question to say, come on, what do you really need that for?
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But as I started to read this essay, I felt like the scales were falling from my eyes
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because it was written not by someone who I think is particularly known for his politics
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or his journalism or even his firearms rights, but rather for statistics.
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And in particular, stormwater hydrology and the mathematics of unlikely events.
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Let me give you one second of what I mean before I introduce our guest today.
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How likely is it that on any given year, if you're living near a floodplain,
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that you will be the victim of a hundred-year flood?
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Well, obviously, that means one in a hundred years.
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But what if you live there for five years, for 10 years, for 30 years,
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All of a sudden, the likelihood that your house might be destroyed by a once-a-century flood
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becomes very large to the point where you need insurance to get a mortgage, flood insurance.
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And imagine using that same sort of thinking, not about a natural flood,
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And even America, the most stable, strong democracy in the world,
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well, it had a revolution in 1776, and it had a near revolution in the Civil War.
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Well, that's two in just a couple hundred years.
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Joining us now to talk more about where this argument goes, this thought experiment,
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is B.J. Campbell, the author of this fascinating piece that I suddenly found myself reading.
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You can read his work itself on freakoutery.com,
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and we'll have his contact information on the screen.
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Well, B.J., thank you so much for taking the time to join us via Skype.
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You say you're not a professional writer, but I couldn't stop once I started.
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I know you wrote it a while back, but it only came to my attention after a congressman tweeted it.
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Yeah, it was Thomas Massey tweeted it, actually.
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And I got a neat little traffic spike out of it.
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But the article really went big, I think, probably right after it was written.
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It was featured on the front page of Medium, and they blasted it out on Twitter and stuff like that,
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Tell me how you started thinking about these cataclysmic or catastrophic events.
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And so what stormwater hydrologists do, it's, I'm a civil engineer, and what we use stormwater
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hydrology for is to try and determine, you know, how big the size of pipe, how wide a
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bridge has to be, how to make sure our buildings are outside of floodplains, and all that sort
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of thing as it relates to civil engineering infrastructure.
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And so this kind of thinking is, you know, it's baked into our field, and the terminology
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And what I did in the article was I went through what we call a historical frequency analysis,
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which is a really straightforward mathematical way to try and predict, you know, the likelihood
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And, you know, which is a simpler version of what risk analysis professionals do.
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And we can talk about that a little bit later because, I mean, when they do the kind of thing,
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they end up with more alarming answers than what I get.
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But I can step you through the mathematical analysis at the beginning, if you like.
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It's all you really need to follow it, you know.
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Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not a math expert, but the way you laid it out, even I could follow
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I mean, if I may, you started saying, well, why would these tech billionaires be buying
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And you started to, I thought that was an interesting place to start.
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Why would a billionaire spend 50 million on some, like, zombie apocalypse place for real?
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You have to determine a flood, right, that you're concerned about.
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And in the United States, for the National Flood Insurance Program, we're concerned with
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And there's a push in the field now to stop calling it that, because it makes people think
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that it's only ever going to happen every 100 years.
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So if you had one last year, you're not going to have one this year, which is the gambler's
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So they start talking about it now as the flood that's likely to happen, you know, at
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So the chance of this is, you know, 1% per year, 0.01.
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But what you do to try and figure out, say, the chance of a flood over a 30-year mortgage,
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you don't just add that up 30 times, because it wouldn't be honest.
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What you have to do is you have to backfigure it.
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What you do is you say, all right, well, there's a 99% chance of no flood.
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And what you're looking for is that 99% chance of no flood to happen 30 times in a row, right?
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So the way you would calculate that is to say 0.99 times 0.99 times 0.99, et cetera, 30 times.
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And then that would give you a chance of maybe 74% of no flood, which means you have a 26%
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Over the course of your 30-year mortgage, that's a big deal.
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So, or they require you to pay cash or you have to get insurance or such.
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Well, we can do the same thing with violent revolutions.
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So let me pull up the figures here just to be clear.
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So if we say the average establishment of colonies on the United States is 1678, and I wrote the
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And we've had two, as you mentioned earlier, we've had two qualifying events of attempts
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at nationwide violent revolution, the Revolutionary War and the Civil War.
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That's two data points inside, you know, 340 years, which is a 0.00588%, or not percent.
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That's the chance, you know, like a little over half a percent chance per year of this
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So, and then if you say, well, what's our, we're not worried about whether there's going
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to be a Civil War during our mortgage, we're worried about it happening in our lifetime,
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where we all live to be about 78 years old and do the same kind of math.
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And the result that you get is a 37% chance that there's a violent revolution across any
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That's bigger than, you know, it's, it's bigger than the chance that, you know, your
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So when we talk about nobody wants to buy a house in a floodplain, but nobody's thinking
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about the fact that the chance of violent revolution during your lifetime is larger than
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I mean, I never thought of it that way, but it is true.
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I mean, people think, well, those are all settled.
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But you, you have another data point in your essay.
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You said in 2010, 8.5 million tourists visited Syria.
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I wouldn't have thought it, but I, but I suppose it was stable and people went there for historical
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And then, you know, Anthony Bourdain did a, you know, he did a, one of his shows there
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And then it's become this disastrous revolutionary place.
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And, and I mean, it's sort of obvious when you do it mathematically, but you look around
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the world and you say as a modest calculation, maybe 3% of the world's countries are in some
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Like Africa alone, what's the odds of a particular country having a violent revolution in your
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I'd say it's getting close to a hundred percent.
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I mean, I don't, uh, I didn't do the numbers for Africa.
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It's hard to even start to know where to begin, where to do the numbers for Africa.
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Cause it's, it's, you know, it's a tough place.
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Um, but like, and I did this, you know, I wrote this article before, um, Chile and Hong Kong.
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Those might've been data points that would have been thrown into the articles.
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Well, you know, this kind of thing, it happens.
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And the level to which it happens in the amount of, you know, I guess overall violence is,
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And so you have to come up with a, you know, whatever your cutoff is, but you know, there's
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certainly a lot of places going on right now where this is happening and it's happened
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before and it's going to happen again and you can't, it, no honest person would say
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that the United States is going to last forever and until the end of time.
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So then the question becomes, well, how long and how do you estimate that?
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And now I mentioned earlier, this is a historical frequency analysis and, uh, part of going
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into a historical frequency analysis, you assume kind of the independence of events.
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And the weather you presume isn't changing that much.
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Now we could have the global warming argument, but let's set that aside and just say the
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And, um, what a risk analysis professional would do when you're doing this kind of analysis
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They wouldn't look at, you know, historical, and they might use it as a baseline.
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But, um, but, and that's something that I haven't done, but there was a great article
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in the New Yorker middle of last year around the same time when some of the discussion about,
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you know, second civil war was heating up in the media.
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And that, uh, author went and interviewed a bunch of risk analysis professionals, like
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folks that were ex-military and, um, or just in the general risk analysis field.
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And they, the consensus among them was that you had a 35% chance of it coming up in the
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You know, I, when I was, when ISIS, I mean, we just talked about Syria going from a stable,
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It wasn't, uh, a place that many of us would have chosen to, to make our home.
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But if you look around those places, I mean, one of the ancient cities conquered by ISIS was
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That used to be this amazing, uh, beautiful architectural, cultural city that's now in
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That used to be called Constantinople, the largest, richest, most Christian city in the
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The Hagia Sophia is turned into a, was turned into a mosque.
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I guess my point is everything seems absolutely permanent until the moment it's not.
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And, and I think that, I, I think that there's a whole bunch of psychological reasons why we
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want to dismiss early warnings about trouble for our own sanity, for, because of our own
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Uh, I mean, I don't want to seem paranoid, but, um, I don't think anyone saw it coming in
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I mean, I suppose you could say you could see the roots of it, but I think, I think there's
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a human desire to say, oh, it's not going to happen to me.
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Well, I mean, let's just look at Syria for a second.
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If the Syrians had known that, you know, 10 years later, there was going to be 10 million
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Syrians displaced into Europe and another half million Syrians dead in the ground out
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of what was going on, they would have left sooner, right?
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They would have left before the immigration crisis started.
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They would have left before all that kind of stuff.
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They have found someplace else to live if they'd known that that was coming.
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I mean, you talk about the psychology of this and I think that, you know, there are
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certain, you know, personality traits tend to vary, you know, across all people.
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And if you have a natural inclination to trust authority, then you're going to dismiss this
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And if you have a natural, uh, inclination to, or sorry, to trust authority, you're going
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If you have a natural inclination to distrust authority, you're going to be looking at this
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and going, God, I need to buy another box of ammo.
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So, you know, and, and, and so that's, and that's kind of the, to tie this back into the
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I mean, you know, when these sorts of things happen, you know, what are you going to do?
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You're going to, either you're screwed and you're in a refugee caravan or you're going
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to try and hunker down and hopefully you have enough food.
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And if you have, you know, and if you do have enough food and your neighbor doesn't have
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enough food, but he has a gun and you don't, then guess what?
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And so that's, that's the thinking, that's the mindset.
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And, um, and I, in, from a game theory perspective, the thinking makes sense.
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You know, and it doesn't even have to be a total permanent meltdown.
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I remember I was, we were both much younger, but when the Rodney King riots, uh, raged in
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Los Angeles, there was a breakdown in order, not on the scale of a total civilizational collapse
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or civil war, but certainly for a number of blocks, it was like a civil war.
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And you saw a phenomenon of Korean shopkeepers who could no longer rely on the police.
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So they stood guard on their own shops, on rooftops with their own firearms to, to shoot
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And if they didn't have their AR-15, they would have been certainly looted and maybe
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So, I mean, these sound like impossible things until the moment they're out.
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I mean, how, especially these days when we're all plugged in, if the power were to go out
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for two days and our computers were down and our cell phone batteries were to die, I don't
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even know how many of us could, could do basic tasks without, without our internet or cell
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I think that would, that would cause looting and anarchy in some parts of the streets, uh,
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Those guys are basically a meme in the gun community.
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Everybody thinks they're heroes, which is, is cool.
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And, you know, if you look at all the buildings that got burned down, their buildings didn't burn
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You know, um, on the terms of, you know, two days without power.
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I mean, I know you're in Canada, so, you know, you don't experience this at all, but in the
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South, when we get a big snowstorm, we lose power for two or three days because we don't
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have the infrastructure and we have a bunch of pine trees that fall and things like that.
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So it kind of depends on what your cultural expectation is, um, and whether or not you're
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So what happens when we're going to have a snowstorm down here, you know, we all run to the grocery
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store and we buy everything we need for the next three or four days and we get ready
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You know, but, you know, we've got a little bit of a warning cause you can see it on the
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weather map and folks in Chile didn't have that warning.
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You know, I've been talking to a, you know, woman I knew a couple of decades ago on WhatsApp
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recently and she's absolutely stuck in the middle of Chile.
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She had a, um, you know, a baby in Santiago that was in the hospital that had complications
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and she couldn't get to the hospital to be able to, and there's, you know, she and,
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you know, uh, her man are trying to run flaming barricades to get to the hospital.
00:35:48.080
That thing happened in the span of a week and it happened because of a, a fair hike
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You know, um, you end your essay and I really recommend it once again, you can find it, um,
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uh, the, the essay itself is on the website meet medium.
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Um, um, or you could go to the website, uh, freak out hurry.com again, we'll put that on
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the screen, but you end with a fun, uh, conversation that maybe it's easier for us to, uh, brainstorm
00:36:18.580
these things if we use a science fiction analogy, because that way we were not so nervous.
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We're not engaging our personal prejudices because we're saying, okay, let's just be escapist
00:36:32.860
So you, you use the, uh, the fun example of the zombie apocalypse.
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And I think if I'm guessing right, you chose that so that people would engage in the thought
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experiment, which they might be reluctant to do.
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If you said, well, could there be another American civil war?
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I mean, the reason why you pick zombies to have this conversation is because, you know,
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if there were a zombie apocalypse, we'd all be part of the same tribe.
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And so you can strip the people's inherent tribalism out of the discussion before they
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So you don't have to think about sort of, you know, red team, blue team garbage, you
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know, think about zombies and prepare for that is my thought.
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And no one's going to say, no, I won't because I, I really trust zombies or I like, like,
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so you're removing the real life psychological barriers and, and it's a fun, it's fun.
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And you say, well, if, if there were a zombie apocalypse, what would you want?
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And again, this is just for fun, but I think it's, it really helps a thought experiment.
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You'd want access to clean or cleanable water, shelter that exists away from the threat.
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You use zombies or it could be other citizens in a real life example, subsistence agriculture,
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medicinal supplies, a way to defend items one through five in modern terms.
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That means firearms, rifles in particular, and then maybe even a, a, an escape method.
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And then you have another point that's for the ethical prepper.
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Someone could simply be an unethical prepper, have a gun and maraud about others.
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So all these, this, this experiment with zombies, I hate to say it, but it could apply to places
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Like if you were in Northern Iraq these last five years, like if you were in Santiago.
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Again, I don't want to say that they're to that level because I've been speaking to
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And, um, it seems like it, it seems to me like it might be resolving itself politically
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Um, but a lot of folks that had, you know, they're in their gated communities that were
00:38:45.860
lubing up their guns, you know, cause they don't have like a universal gun control.
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They have fewer guns than we do, but they, it's not like their guns don't exist down there.
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And, um, and they're thankfully seeing the backside of it, you know, but if that were to
00:38:59.660
rage on for four months or six months or something like that, you could barely get into the grocery
00:39:09.180
You know, where are you going to get the money?
00:39:13.160
Well, I mean, I've been fascinated by Hong Kong.
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And there, there were a group of democracy protesters hold up in university called Polly
00:39:29.980
They were literally fashioning bows and arrows, um, which were dramatic.
00:39:36.000
And, and I, I suppose, uh, good for the narrative or the political aesthetics of it, but that
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would be no help, uh, or very little help against a fully armed people's liberation army
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rolling in with tanks like they did in Tiananmen square.
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I mean, I think it's very beautiful watching those Hong Kong, uh, people express their love
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for freedom, but, um, without some way to back it up, I, you know, the, the hundred year
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flood, they've had, I don't know, a couple of hundred years of stability in Hong Kong.
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I don't know if I would say they've got a hundred years of stability left.
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I'd, I'd say it's probably measured in terms of one to five years.
00:40:18.660
I mean, I, and who knows how it's going to resolve, but I, I think that's a very unstable
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I read a, uh, one quote from one of the bow and arrow guys in Hong Kong.
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And he said something, this is, I'm paraphrasing and I'm sure I'm not going to get it exactly
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He said, if I'm going to die anyway, I might as well die with a bow and arrow in my hand.
00:40:42.800
Um, in terms of like how, how long Hong Kong is going to be stable.
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Um, I mean, if I, if it were me and I were living in Hong Kong, I would leave, I'd leave
00:40:52.780
And if I could, they can't get out of the country right now, but hopefully the thing resolves
00:40:59.540
And, uh, cause I don't see it resolving itself in a way that is going to be sustainable long
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term, no matter what, because of the narrative that the Chinese government is spinning within
00:41:08.860
their controlled media inside their own country.
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But I'm not an expert and that's just what I'm reading.
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Well, listen, I really appreciate, uh, the map and I take your point.
00:41:18.980
Listen, I'm not an expert, uh, these things either, but I, I'm an interested amateur.
00:41:23.520
And what I really appreciated about your piece is it, and, and this is what the congressman
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He said, if you agree that America or Canada or any other man-made, you know, country will
00:41:40.240
And again, ask Constantinople if it lasted forever, ask Rome or Palmyra or Jerusalem, if
00:41:48.780
I mean, the, the kingdom of Israel, if something won't last forever, then when will it end?
00:41:54.760
And what are the, what's the likelihood it'll end in your life?
00:41:57.660
If you start thinking that way, um, it's a hard way to think it's a disillusioning and
00:42:05.680
maybe even a depressing way to think, but maybe it's, maybe it's the, the rational way to think.
00:42:13.140
Um, well, I think that first off, let's go ahead and give Thomas Massey the credit
00:42:22.700
Um, but I think that the, the thing that goes back really mostly to AR-15s and this is,
00:42:28.320
and similar rifles that I go with is that, you know, if you buy one of these things, you
00:42:37.160
You can keep it in your attic locked up with a couple of cans of ammo and never take it out
00:42:43.080
And given that dynamic and people say, why would you want to own one?
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I just can't think of a reason why you wouldn't want to own one.
00:42:50.220
Um, you know, outside of perhaps if you're suicidal or you should probably, you know,
00:42:56.080
reconsider having firearms in your house, the mathematics backs that up.
00:42:59.380
But, um, outside of that, I can't see a reason not to buy one personally speaking.
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You know, I, I don't understand the argument against them.
00:43:07.580
Well, it's like in case of emergency break glass, you're not breaking the glass every
00:43:13.400
It's, it's really, as we started our conversation, um, why wouldn't you get flood insurance if
00:43:19.100
you're on a flood plain, you're not going to use that.
00:43:22.180
You'll, you'll, you know, you're not going to use that insurance every time, but the day
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You'd rather have it and not need it than need it than not, and not have it.
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Uh, even if you don't have a firearm or aren't in the prepper mentality, it's a good
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way of thinking about the sweep of history and a reminder that things change.
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BJ Campbell, thanks so much for your time today.
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And I, uh, found it the most fascinating read I've had in months.
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By the way, the survey is by a, a very lefty grievancy group, the Race Relations Foundation.
00:44:21.780
And the questions were really fuzzy, like, will you feel respected?
00:44:27.940
There's not really a lot of hard, objective things to ask because we know the answers.
00:44:39.840
In fact, across North America, the ethnic groups that do the best economically are, for
00:44:46.380
example, East Indian, Indian Canadians, Indian Americans.
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They actually do better economically than old stock Canadians.
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And minorities overwhelmingly say, yes, that is good news.
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And yet we have a huge industry that depends on grievance and anger.
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Until next time, on behalf of all of us here, good night and keep fighting for freedom.