Rebel Roundup： City Hall showdown, anti-Catholic hate crime & more
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Rebel Roundup is a weekly podcast hosted by host David Menzies. This week, we're joined by Ezra Leven and Sheila Gunn-Reed, two of our favourite Rebel Team members, to discuss what it means to be a journalist in the public square of Toronto.
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Hello, Rebels. This is a free audio podcast of my weekly show, Rebel Roundup.
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Tonight, my guests are Ezra Levent and Sheila Gunn-Reed.
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Welcome to Rebel Roundup, ladies and gentlemen, and the rest of you,
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in which we look back at some of the very best commentaries of the week by your favorite Rebels.
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As the Beastie Boys once sang, you've got to fight for your right to party.
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And you know what? In 2020 Toronto, you've also got to fight for your right to practice journalism.
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Oh yeah, that's what our entire Rebel team did last week, led by our Commander-in-Chief, Ezra Levent.
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And Ezra will drop by to prove that, contrary to popular belief, yes, you can successfully fight City Hall.
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So, what are the rules exactly when it comes to being nasty to statues?
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Well, apparently, beheading Catholic statues is merely so much tomfoolery.
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But if one is to spray-paint the face of a Pierre Elliott Trudeau statue,
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Sheila Gunn-Reed will delve into the hypocrisy inherent to statue vandalism.
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And finally, letters. We get your letters. We get your letters every minute of every day.
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And I'll share some of your responses regarding our incredible video
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in which we attempted to practice journalism in the public square in Toronto.
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Neither the thugs occupying the square wanted us there, nor did the City Hall security guards.
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Just kidding. We've stood our ground and we have the bruises to prove it.
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But it was worth it, folks, because did we ever score a victory for freedom of the press and freedom of expression?
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Those are your Rebels. Now, let's round them up.
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I'm going to do a news report on my town square where I pay taxes every day.
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Whether I do it with the cops, with the security, or by my lonesome, it's happening.
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They said that at 1234, they trespassed all of you guys.
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One is, I'll go by myself and I'll probably get attacked.
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The other is, you come with me and I don't think they're going to lay a glove on you.
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But I know how tough it is to be a cop these days.
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They're filming everything. They're going to try and get you.
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Because the only reason I'm here with 15 of my friends is because we were shooed away from the town square yesterday and thought the president of the company himself is going to come down and prove that in Toronto, the town square is a place where a journalist can go peacefully.
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And if I get personally attacked, we need to know it.
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I'm going to do it whether or not you guys are there.
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Well, the thing is, I did mention that to them and they don't launch you on the property right now.
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I mean, their opinion matters not at all to me.
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What I'm saying is, why don't you shoot some footage from here and get what you can get here while we're standing here and make sure that you guys are safe right now.
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Because I'm a free citizen and that's my town hall.
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I'm not interested in playing legal games with mall cops, officer.
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So, unless you have any last minute things to say, I am now going to walk with my bravest cameraman and David.
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I hope you guys will just walk with me to the stairs.
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I'll do five minutes of journalism and then I'll call it a day.
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I thought that was a magnificent performance of, I guess, outdoor lawyering.
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You can already hear the moans from the sacred circle of the autonomous city.
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And we're being met with the mall cops, for lack of a better term.
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Wow, that was kind of like watching an episode of Perry Mason if that classic TV series featured an outdoor courtroom, that is.
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But seriously, is that what it takes to practice journalism in the public square in Toronto of 2020?
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Do journalists need to bring a lawyer along with a printout of the Trespass Act as well as, oh, I don't know, seven bodyguards?
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And meanwhile, a bunch of violence-prone squatters occupy Nathan Phillips Square illegally and even erect a filthy tent city.
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And without further ado, here is the Commander-in-Chief of Rebel News himself, Ezra Levant.
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So I'm thinking that might have been the Rebel's greatest moment last week, Ezra, where we went to City Hall and basically asserted our right to practice journalism in defiance of these thugs.
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But, you know, my takeaway, Ezra, is that there's always been bad guys, twas ever thus, since the dawn of mankind.
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What we have right now in certain cities like Seattle, John Tory's Toronto, is the political masters acquiescing to the barbarians.
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And that, these are the real villains in my book.
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Yeah, well, I mean, we've had bad guys since Cain and Abel.
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And one of the reasons we have police, which is actually a fairly new phenomenon in the sweep of history,
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It's a social contract where we all agree as a community, with each other, but we don't sign a contract, me and you and me and you.
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We all agree as a group that we're going to give some power to the Leviathan.
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Some great power that will have a monopoly on violence.
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That, unless it's in extreme circumstances like self-defense, we give up our natural rights to violence to the Leviathan in return for protection.
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And Thomas Hobbes said that without that, without the agreement that we're going to be a community bound by certain rules,
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and if we disagree, we settle it peacefully, and only the police will be marauding about with guns.
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Life will be, according to Hobbes, nasty, brutish, and short.
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And if you look at the CHAZ, that's the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle, it was an extreme crime zone.
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There was obviously vandalism, trespass, things like that.
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But the craziness about the Toronto Autonomous Zone is that it's not in some neighborhood away from the City Hall.
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It is right on the steps of City Hall, under the watchful gaze of City Hall security,
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who actually were telling us to stop bothering the protesters.
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They were pushing us, threatening us, attacking our property, later punching one of our cameramen, kicking one of our bodyguards.
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And the Toronto City Hall security were telling us that we were breaking the law.
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Toronto City Hall gave them, as you pointed out, the porta-potty facilities.
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And the Toronto police, forget about the mall cop-style security.
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The Toronto police, I spent nearly 20 minutes haggling, negotiating, begging, compromising to have them let me pass.
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I didn't mind doing it because, in a way, it was a teachable moment to show, you know, I wanted to explain to them,
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we've done nothing wrong, we're here with clean hands, we have our lawyer, we're being, like, I wanted to make the points.
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I mean, I said to the cop, either I'm going to get beat up, and I obviously don't want that.
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But imagine the police standing by, the City Hall security standing by,
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while I get beat up for doing journalism on the steps of City Hall.
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What happened was the best alternative is that the police do their job.
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Yeah, and it was bittersweet, too, wasn't it, Ezra?
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Because it was like, okay, go out into the square for five minutes, do your little rant.
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And we should, if our viewers haven't seen the original stories, we should give the back story.
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I went down in the afternoon to Nathan Phillips Square.
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In my case, it was the City Hall security, the mall cops, as you call them,
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getting the police to say, you've got to go now or we're arresting you with trespassing.
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We have a constitutional right to be in that public square.
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And that's why we went back with added security, with a lawyer, with a copy of the Trespass Act.
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And Ezra, quite frankly, I think that was your finest hour,
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talking with those police and giving them, here are your three choices.
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I wanted to, you know, I mean, you might recall I said,
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unless you have anything you want to say as a last moment thing, I'm going to go in now.
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So I wanted them to have a chance to make any objection, to put anything to me in advance.
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But I was going to go, and I had to be ready for that.
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And I talked, we had that staff meeting in the morning with our lawyer, Aaron.
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Someone can eject you from their private property for any reason or no reason.
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That's the old maxim, a man's home is his castle.
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Because otherwise, I mean, that would be absurd if someone could kick you off the sidewalk,
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And simply when the mall cops, the town hall security said,
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get off, I'm saying you have to, so that's not the law.
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because those mall cops aren't actually going to do anything,
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Now, I don't blame the cop for trying to dissuade me.
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And it is tough to be a cop these days when everyone's cell phone cameras
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But things were so bad the day before we had to make the point.
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And that's why, I mean, I usually hang out here at the office.
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And I remember saying to some of my cameramen, Mocha and Efron, I said,
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Someone's got to take the footage back and edit it.
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I salute those youngsters for being very brave.
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Our lawyer wrote a letter to the police chief insisting that they press charges against the man who hit.
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In fact, I'd invite you to take that lawyer's letter and do a video
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because I don't think our people know about it yet.
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I think we should have had civil liberties lawyers.
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I think we should have had journalist advocates.
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There are groups in Canada, and almost all of them are based in Toronto.
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Canadian Association of Journalists, Canadian Journalists for Free Expression,
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Reporters Without Borders, Pan-Canada, Amnesty International.
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All these groups claim to be for free speech, free press, and for journalists.
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And I contrast that with the ridiculous sanctity of,
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It's become this thing that typically drunk guys shout into a live camera and then run away.
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It's a very strange phenomenon, and it's startling, and it's profane, and it's vulgar,
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but it's actually not a crime to swear, and it's actually not a crime to heckle a journalist.
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That was sort of a fad for a while, and it's died down, but you still see the odd guy doing it.
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And whenever it happens, the CBC does a whole story on it, and how, and the other journalists
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And they call the cops, and sometimes the police say we'll arrest.
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There was a famous case of someone who worked for the Power Authority here in Toronto.
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And so the mainstream media has a five-alarm fire when someone swears.
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It's a vulgar, it's a vulgar heckle, and then they usually run.
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That's a five-alarm fire for the media party, but our journalists actually getting roughed up,
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City Hall security pushing our journalists out, cops giving us a 20-minute hassle.
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You'll forgive me if I don't care about the F, her right, and the P, heckle,
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when the same journalists couldn't care less about actual censorship.
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The Constitution, Section 2B, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, all those freedoms there,
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They even apply to people that the CBC doesn't like.
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Well, Ezra, two things about what you just said.
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I would bet you a donut that there are journalists at the CBC, the Toronto Star, the Globe and Mail,
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that would actually applaud the idea of an Afro-Indigenous sacred circle, tent city.
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So it's better to be silent than play our cards that, oh, this is a great thing that's happening.
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Secondly, I mentioned off-camera, a week ago Friday, in Durham Region, here in Ontario,
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Desmond Cole, if you don't know that name, folks, he's a black activist and a failed journalist,
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got up in the public square outside the courtroom to make a speech.
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I don't know what the speech is because it was never recorded.
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turn off any and all recording devices, your cell phones, your cameras, your tape recorders, etc.
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Contrast that with what we did in standing up for our rights,
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and I would argue for Canadians' rights at Nathan Phillips Square.
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Yeah, we have a rule here, and you've heard me say it, and I say it to all the young journalists.
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And if later on, when we're editing the footage, there's a reason we don't want to publish something,
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there might even be a legal reason why not to, we'll make that decision ourselves.
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We don't turn the camera off because someone says, turn the camera off.
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And even if someone is getting pushy, in fact, that's when you want the camera on, it's evidence.
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So some politician says, turn the camera off, and the media comply.
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My immediate thought is, who else have you turned the camera off for?
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What other censorship have you embraced so lovingly?
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And if you'll do so for Desmond Cole, who I actually don't know much about, I've never met him,
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what would you do for Justin Trudeau, who pays your company, you know,
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So, if these journalists proudly censor themselves, because some yahoo says so,
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And, you know, we talk about telling the other side of the story and being independent,
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and, you know, we've said it a million times, but it really is true.
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And I just don't trust the other media anymore.
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You know, I was joking with a friend of mine at the National Post.
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I used to work there 20 years ago, so I still have some friends there.
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And I showed him the video of when we went down to City Hall, we were talking about it.
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And I joked with him, I said, if your National Post newsroom went down to City Hall,
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they probably would have joined the protesters.
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Because that's the National Post newsroom, 30 of whom signed a denunciation of Rex Murphy
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Well, first of all, every one of them should be fired for being racist.
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If you're denouncing a co-worker for his age and his race, that is, I mean, that's ageism, but that's racism.
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If you're denouncing someone because they're black or Jewish or Sikh or Muslim or white, that's racism.
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But on the contrary, Matt Gurney, the commentator, apologized for running the column and threw Rex under the bus.
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And he should apologize for being a straight white male because that's the greatest outrage.
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I worked at that newspaper more than 20 years ago.
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And I can only imagine, it's unthinkable, but they're the number one recipient of Trudeau's bailout money.
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I think they get, I'd have to check, $140,000 or $170,000 a week from Trudeau.
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I mean, they hire people there who believe the Marxist, racist, critical theory of the universities.
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And there's an old saying, personnel is policy.
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When you hire someone, you're making a statement about who you are, too.
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And the National Post, for years, has hired politically correct leftists.
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They're just a content mill churning out crap these days, mainly.
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Their stars are Rex Murphy, Conrad Black, I think Jordan Peterson is back.
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But they've just got the same crappy millennial bloggers working for them that worked for Vice, that worked for the CBC.
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In fact, a lot of the people who were signing this petition worked for Vice or the CBC or the Huffington Post just a few years ago.
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Well, that paper isn't Conrad Black's National Post anymore, Ezra.
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You know, so much to talk about, but we have to wrap it here.
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I think your finest hour, our company's finest hour, last week at Nathan Phillips Square.
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And folks, if you haven't seen the video, you must.
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So far, the quote of the year, I think, goes to Mr. Ezra Levin, when the police say we're going to have to negotiate with mall security to see what they feel about you coming on to the square.
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And Ezra says, after you do that, give Colonel Sanders a call to him and see what he has to say.
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He has just about as much authority in this matter as they do.
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More of Rebel Roundup to come right after this.
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Another year, friends and Christians continue to be the most persecuted religion on the face of the planet.
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And while we like to think the second class citizen treatment is exclusive to the Middle East, parts of Africa and that evil empire of China,
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that difference in treatment can still be seen in policing and media and political concern levels right here in North America.
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Eight religious statues depicting the stations of the cross at Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes in downtown Sudbury have been beheaded.
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Hang on for a second here, not just vandalized, beheaded.
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That requires a lot of planning and forethought and some serious tools brought to the scene of the crime.
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It hardly seems like a spur of the moment drunken prank to me.
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Those responsible for the vandalism, however, remain unknown.
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And with no video surveillance of the area, no suspects and no witnesses,
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it doesn't appear as though this fact will be changing anytime soon.
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Vandalism of the four bronze statues, they were bronze,
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at the property in the care of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Sault Ste. Marie
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is suspected to have occurred between 1 p.m. and 6 p.m. on May 22nd.
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So, in broad daylight, said Staff Sergeant Sherry Young of the Greater Sudbury Police Service.
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Should a suspect be identified, she said they would be charged with mischief
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either above or below $5,000 depending on the value of the property.
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So, it's not a religiously motivated hate crime, just some plain old mischief, hey?
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Wonder why that is or why police are already making that determination
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So, when exactly is the vandalism of a statue a hate crime
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Well, as you just saw, the authorities in Sudbury are treating the gruesome beheadings
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of Catholic figures as, well, just a little mischief.
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And besides, those Catholics were probably white supremacists or something.
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But contrast that to what happened in Vaughn last month
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when someone in the wee hours of the morning visited the statue of Pierre Elliott Trudeau
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Hey, to me, that's kind of like art-resembling reality when it comes to the Trudeau clan.
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Oh, but the York Regional Police, they were not amused.
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And with more on this tale of the truth and consequences inherent to statue vandalism
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So, Sheila, you are a practicing Catholic yourself.
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How did you feel when you first heard about this story?
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And how did you feel when you saw the milquetoast response to this story by those who are in charge?
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You see the different treatment when it comes to Christianity and oftentimes Judaism
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versus other religions when it comes to these sorts of acts of vandalism.
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You know, when we hear about a mosque being vandalized, the community rallies around the mosque
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and it's signal boosted by the mainstream media.
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I don't think that religious sites of any kind should ever be subject to vandalism.
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It's one of the grossest things that can happen.
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But we never see that when it comes to Christianity.
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In fact, this happened over a month before the public knew about it.
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It happened like in the beginning or sorry, in the end of May.
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And only when the police did a press release saying, hey, we've got no suspects, but it's
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probably just mischief, maybe over 5,000, maybe under 5,000.
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And if this were another religion, I don't think the narrative would have been quite the
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And, you know, let's talk about that, Sheila, because I agree with you.
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If that had been an individual, and from time to time, this kind of story pops up where
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In the aftermath, they even have a little funeral for the defaced Koran.
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And there's outrage, and it's Islamophobia, and it's hatred towards Muslims.
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I don't like tearing things down and destroying things and carrying out acts of vandalism.
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But why is it, Sheila, that we go to the extreme for that particular faith if, you know,
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in the example I gave, a Koran is defaced, whereas these beautiful Catholic statues are
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Well, and it's very strange to see how when something happens to a mosque or when something
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happens to a Koran, it becomes indicative of a greater, to use this word that is so popular
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That this one incident of religiously motivated vandalism becomes a problem that we're all
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We just have to look at the hijab hoax to see how quickly, and that wasn't even an actual
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A little girl said she had her hijab snipped on the way to school by a, quote, Asian man.
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I think she meant Caucasian, but whoever coached her to commit the fake hate crime didn't really
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make sure she had all the details clear, that prompted breathless articles, a tweet from
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It was indicative of a greater problem that Muslims suffer in our country when it wasn't
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And, you know, when you can get a tweet from the prime minister because somebody snipped
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at your hijab on the way to school, which didn't even happen, I would say things are pretty
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Whereas with this, eight statues, and these aren't just, like, concrete statues that,
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you know, if you smashed them with a hammer, they'd crumble.
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So that requires some tools, some foresight, some planning.
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They were beheaded in broad daylight, in the afternoon in Sudbury.
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And it takes a month for us to find out about it.
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And the police, they don't have a suspect yet, but they're sure this isn't a hate crime.
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But they're 100% sure that they won't be proceeding with this as a hate crime.
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I guess apropos of nothing except for the fact that this happened to Christians.
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And, you know, Sheila, you said earlier that you have no doubt that this is likely a hate
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I don't know if these, you know, if these statues were desecrated by people who hate
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And I say that, Sheila, because if we look south of the border, in recent weeks we've seen
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these Black Lives Matter protesters go on the offensive against statues.
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But with the statues that are tearing down and desecrating and vandalizing, some of those
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Some of the statues are statues honoring all-black military units that fought with valor.
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What I'm saying is that there's a degree of stupidity, a degree of people that have no
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knowledge of history, and that the statues are actually defacing is something that if
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they knew the history of these statues, they should be supporting.
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Do you think these are truly Catholic haters out there?
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Or, like I said, a bunch of idiots that simply don't know better and just want to behead
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Normally, I would say don't attribute malice to something that can be explained with stupidity.
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And that is so often the case with these rioters and BLM protesters in the United States.
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As you rightly point out, they're pulling down things that are representative of great equal
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However, part of these protests do have a strong anti-Christian side to them.
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When we look at what happened to the president's church across the street from the White House,
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it was burned and then it was vandalized again just, you know, like a week and a half ago.
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We've seen priests and street preachers being attacked by these people.
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Cathedrals and churches in at least six states have not just incidentally been vandalized
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by these people, but actually targeted attacks by the rioters and protesters.
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So there's a strong underlying anti-Christian current in all of this and anti-Israel and anti-Judaism
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current in a lot of this because we know a lot of the Black Lives Matter movement has a strong
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anti-Semitic sentiment in it, as you found out when you made a trip to food benders.
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So while I think there's a lot of anti-Christianity and anti-Judaism, that I think comes from a place
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of pull down everything that built the society in which we live, tear it all down.
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And we know that, you know, Western society is founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
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So target those things, take them apart, erase them from history, and then you can rewrite history.
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I guess to paraphrase an Orwellian line from Animal Farm, all religions are created equal.
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It's just that some religions are more equal than others in today's day and age.
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And let's hope they find who is responsible for this, regardless of the motivation.
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Someone should have to pay for that horrible crime.
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And that is Sheila Gunn-Reed somewhere in the northern hinterland of Alberta.
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More of Rebel Roundup to come right after this.
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We've got 15 people here today just to assist you doing a story.
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So we're going to go into this camp now, and you're going to do a normal story.
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What I'm going to be looking for, and so will our lawyer, is will John Tory's politicized police, who have ignored this illegal encampment, will they try to crack down on you, on me, on our professional licensed insured security?
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Let's go to the front steps of City Hall, and let's let you do journalism.
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We're going to be so perfect in our conduct that the police will literally have no cause to eject us other than political bias.
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Well, folks, we are at literally the scene of the crime.
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But this is where we were yesterday, and evidently there's a phony baloney rule that I think people and even media are allowed to be outside the circle, but we can't venture inside the circle.
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You can tell there's not a raindrop in the air today.
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So this is going to be to attempt to block our cameras so, you know, we can't capture their crimes on video.
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It's a typical Antifa 101 tactic in massaging the narrative to their liking.
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Also, as you can see, as I alluded to earlier, we got a couple of porta-potties established by the city.
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So not only are the police coming in and John Tory saying you cannot be here, it is illegal, they are making these squatters have a comfortable place to be.
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It should also be noted that despite this illegal occupation, there is 0.0 police presence.
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And then we have one solitary security guard there.
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Notably, he is behind a steel wall of sorts, a temporary steel fencing.
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The left is typically against building walls so that a country can maintain its sovereignty in terms of illegal aliens coming to the country.
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But when they are threatened at City Hall, walls are very effective indeed.
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Now, as you can see off camera too, this is where they start shoving umbrellas and whatnot into our faces.
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And they start complaining, don't touch me, and that this is an assault on them.
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See, again, you ask them a question, and they can't answer it.
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Well, maybe, ma'am, if you put your umbrella down...
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By the way, why is it that you people don't want your encampment filmed?
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Okay, well, we're dealing with semantics right now.
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Are you able to respond to a question without profanity?
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Well, I believe this is a public square, ma'am.
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Does somebody come up into your home and take up your space?
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Does somebody come into your home and they can dictate how you run your household?
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Well, folks, that is just a small snippet of what I believe to be the best video ever
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produced in the five-year history of The Rebel, and it was an all-hands-on-deck effort.
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I wish I could play the whole thing, but alas, it's 29 minutes long.
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If you haven't already checked out the entire video, please do so.
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In any event, that was the ugly scene that emerged last week when the violent degenerates
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who have laid claim to Nathan Phillips Square decided not only to disrespect,
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property rights by conducting an illegal occupation of the public square,
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but they also decided to toss the Constitution into the paper shredder, too.
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You know, that part about freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of expression.
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But this is just one of the ugly byproducts of Mayor John Tory's so-called Sanctuary City,
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wherein the rule of law is no longer consistently applied,
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especially when it comes to those who are the takers and those who are the makers.
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In any event, you had plenty, and I mean plenty,
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to say about this egregious and outrageous state of affairs at Hogtown City Hall,
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Indeed, if only Toronto had a Caped Crusader, just like the fictional Gotham City.
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the inmates have breached the walls of Toronto's version of Arkham Asylum,
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and worse yet, our elected officials are actually listening to these lunatics.
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Since when do police officers go and ask mall security guards for permission to enter a public park?
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Since now, Sorrow, and the City Hall Security couldn't even recite the section of the Trespass Act
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That's right. City Hall Security wanted to charge us for trespassing,
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Whereas the squatters, who were camping overnight, doing drugs, urinating, defecating, you name it.
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The politically correct mantra is keep the peace,
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even if it means standing down to allow the criminal element to act in a way that is anything but peaceful.
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And I'm also sick of the likes of Mayor John Tory, too.
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There's always been thugs and barbarians in the world, twas ever thus after all.
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But when our gatekeepers throw the law book on the fire and tell law-abiding citizens to essentially fend for themselves,
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So if people are peaceful protesting, they are allowed to assault people without any consequences?
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In Mayor John Tory, Toronto, and in Mayor Jenny Durkan, Seattle, that is indeed the so-called new normal, my friend.
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Interesting how love and diversity is enforced through violence and racism.
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And only the protesters are blind to the sheer irony of it all.
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Justin Trudeau recently made your hunting rifle illegal via an ordering council.
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Maybe you ought to buy a slingshot for protection.
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Well, that wraps up another edition of Rebel Roundup.