Rebel Roundup： Guests Kurt Schlichter, Ben Davies & Ezra Levant
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Rebel Roundup is a weekly show produced by David Menzies and co-hosted by Ezra Levant and Ben Davies. This week: GM announces plans to shut down its plant in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada; the migrant caravan has made it all the way to the U.S. border, and now the street theatre begins for the media.
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Welcome to Rebel Roundup, ladies and gentlemen, and the rest of you, in which we look back at
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some of the very best commentaries of the week by your favourite Rebels. I'm your host, David Menzies.
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Well, it's official. GM's Oshawa Assembly Plant is shutting down. And worse yet, you can expect
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more misery for the Canadian auto sector should Justin Trudeau get his way with a carbon tax.
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Ezra Levent will serve up all the gruesome details.
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And the migrant caravan has made it all the way to the U.S. border, and now the street
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theatre begins for the media. But are these Central American refugees fleeing oppression,
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or are they opportunists simply hoping to game the system? Kurt Schlichter will offer his take.
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And perhaps the late missionary John Alan Chow was foolhardy by deciding to spread the gospel
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in a very dangerous place. Still, it is disturbing to see how his death is being covered by the media
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in certain quarters. Ben Davies shall explain all.
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And finally, we get your letters every minute of every day, and I'll share some of the letters we
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received regarding my Q&A session with attendees who were going to a speaking event in Toronto,
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featuring Bill and Hillary Clinton. Let's just say this, most didn't appreciate my so-called
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inappropriate questions. Those are your rebels, now let's round them up.
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Let me read from the Wall Street Journal, because these days, if you want honest reporting about
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something in Canada, you can't really trust Canadian media, because they're all in on the
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payroll of Justin Trudeau, or are about to be with his $595 million slush fund.
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So this was printed on the Yahoo Finance website, but as you can see, it was written by the Wall Street
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Journal. Headline, General Motors expected to shut down operations in Oshawa, Ontario.
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Now, the story says that GM is cutting costs in a lot of places, including in the U.S.,
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but let me read to you a line that I haven't seen in the CBC or CTV or any other Trudeau media outlet.
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Canada's auto industry, which is concentrated in southern Ontario, has shrunk over the past decade
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as more factories move to the southern U.S. and Mexico, where labor costs are cheaper.
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However, Canadian policymakers had hoped the United States-Mexico-Canada agreement, reached
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in late September with provisions requiring more work be done by higher wage workers, would
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help the domestic industry. Today, Canada is among the most expensive countries in the world
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to build cars, and the highest cost market for car assembly in the North American free trade zone.
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Huh. Here's what Buzz Hargrove, a past president of the Canadian auto workers, had to say. He lived and
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breathed auto workers for years. He didn't hang out quite as much flying around on Justin Trudeau's
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private jets in his day, in the prime minister of his day. Here's what Buzz Hargrove said in the Sun
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today. He said former Canadian auto workers head Buzz Hargrove told the Sun news of the closure left
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him reeling. I'm shocked, he said. It seems like Trump's strategy is working beyond belief.
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Exactly. And who do you think is going to get better? Do you think it's going to get better or worse
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when Justin Trudeau's national carbon tax kit kicks in? We're talking about costs of production here,
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aren't we? Whereas Donald Trump is actually cutting taxes. And he says, if anything, he's going to cut
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taxes more and reduce red tape more for the auto industry. Remember, he's been talking about getting
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rid of the extremely expensive fuel efficiency standards that's forced on Detroit. Now, this is
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happening on Justin Trudeau's watch. It seems to happen a lot with him. Well, from General Motors to
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Government Motors to Goodbye Motors, GM is rolling out of Oshawa after a century of making cars and
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trucks here. Nothing can be done to save this assembly plant, as well as other GM plants located in
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Michigan, Ohio and Maryland that are also being mothballed. Yet looking ahead to the future, if you
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were an auto executive looking to put a plant in North America, where would you go? To the U.S. where
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Donald Trump is cutting taxes and red tape, or to Canada, where Justin Trudeau seems hell-bent
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on establishing a carbon tax, regardless of the economic consequences. Joining me now with more
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on this story is Rebel Commander Ezra Levant. Welcome to Rebel Roundup, Ezra. And you know,
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Ezra, there are so many angles to this story, but I think this is an important one. Moving forward,
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Ontario is a manufacturing province, or at least what's a manufacturing province.
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A carbon tax is cancer to the manufacturing process. We saw this tragic announcement on
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Monday, and yet Justin Trudeau, he's not backing down from this, is he?
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Yeah. Well, there's a few things going on. First of all, you have taxes in general in Canada,
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and business taxes are now higher here than they are in the United States. That's a big deal.
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Donald Trump made huge tax cuts in January. Second of all, electricity prices, power prices in Ontario
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are amongst the highest in North America, whereas they're actually falling in the United States
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because fracking has so much cheap natural gas that's really cut the prices of power, gas, etc.
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And then the carbon tax hits everything. It also hits car users themselves. I mean,
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so there's about three or four ways. Canada is now the highest cost place to build a car in North
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America. It's obviously more expensive than Mexico, but now it's more expensive than even,
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you know, Michigan, Ohio, whatever. And then finally, what I've just said is a snapshot of today.
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But in two or three or four years, do you think things will be easier or harder in Canada? Because
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if you're going to invest a billion dollars or make a decision to produce a certain
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product line, like the new Jeep truck, for example, if you're going to commit to five or ten years of
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producing that, you're not just looking at taxes today, you're looking at things in five,
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ten years. Do you think that it will be easier or harder to do business in Canada in five years
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versus in Donald Trump's America? And everyone knows the answer to that. I want to disagree with
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I actually don't think it's a certainty that that plant is closing. And the reason I say that is
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because I think GM has learned a little bit from Bombardier. And if they can manage to wring out
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half a billion dollars from Trudeau, maybe a quarter billion from Doug Ford, all of a sudden that
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changes the math we've just been talking about. But haven't they already wrung out from us,
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the taxpayer, billions of dollars as well? I mean- And that's proof that they know they can do it.
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Yeah. That's a precedent. And they'll just go back for round two, three, four, five, six, seven.
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And you know, I had a commentary. I was looking at the big picture. I would argue that the rot
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actually set in in the early 70s. There were seismic things happening in the auto industry.
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You had the establishment of OPEC. So cheap gasoline is over. You had the Environmental Protection
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Agency established circa 1973. That brought an end to the American muscle car. And then you had a
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corporate culture at GM, Ezra, union entitlement, cowardly management, a complete lack of vision
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by senior executives in terms of grasping the trends where the auto industry was going,
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all the while under the knowledge that we are, quote, too big to fail, that if we skid off the road,
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there is a taxpayer-funded safety net. So my argument to you, Ezra, is that as a company,
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what is the incentive to get it right if you know you're going to be bailed out?
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Well, and that's the thing that Ford, sorry, Ford didn't take the bailout. Chrysler and GM
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took a huge bailout a decade ago. And frankly, Stephen Harper was part of that, along with Dalton
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McGinty. Now, you can understand why, because Barack Obama was bailing out on such a massive scale.
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And if Canada didn't bail out proportionately, Obama would have just said, look, I'm giving you guys
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50 billion or whatever it is. You're shutting down everything in Canada because they're not chipping
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in pro rata. So that, I think Harper had to do that or the entire auto industry would have been
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shut down in Canada. I'm not making excuses for him. I'm just trying to understand why Harper would
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do something so luxurious. But wait a minute, can I challenge you on that, Ezra? Because you have
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very successful, very productive, very profitable non-union plants here in Ontario, a Honda, Toyota,
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the only Lexus plant outside of Japan in the world is here in southern Ontario.
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Those were the next words out of my mouth. I was going to point out that the companies,
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I mean, Ford didn't take the bailout, but note that I didn't mention those automakers that have
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factories in North America. I didn't know the fact you just said about Lexus, but I know that in the
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United States, especially in lower cost, less unionized jurisdictions, they have profitable,
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modern, rewarding, successful automakers that are not stuck in that old mindset. There used to be a
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saying in the 50s, what's good for GM is good for America. And it was, there was a lot of truth
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to it because GM was big enough that it would be sensitive to any problems in the economy, taxes,
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regulations, whatever. And everything was going, all the arrows were in the right direction.
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But then it became bombardierized and unionified. And yeah, a lot of things went wrong.
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I think that the GM, if I looked into the details a little bit, they have some obligations in that
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plant that lasts for another year. I think in that year, you will see negotiations, probably not as
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much publicly as privately. And look, GM's not dumb. They saw what Bombardier got away with. They saw what
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Maple Leaf Foods just got away with in Ontario. They know that the Liberals are stupid. Liberals
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just overpaid a billion dollars for a 70-year-old pipeline called the Trans Mountain Pipeline.
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If you were the CEO of GM, wouldn't you say, well, before we shut down, let's have a private meeting
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with Trudeau and Bill Morneau and just say, look, it's just another billion. You've already got a huge,
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just throw it on the fire. Throw another bale of hundreds on fire.
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But if I'm the CEO of Canada, i.e. the Prime Minister, and by the way, this is one of the
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biggest rounds of applause Maxime Bernier got in Toronto when he was outlining his platform,
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no more corporate welfare. The answer is no. Bombardier, I mean, they can't deliver to the
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Toronto Transit Commission promised streetcars. In England, their name is mud for over-promising
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And around the world, you just Google the words Bombardier corruption.
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They're charged with corruption and in many cases convicted in many jurisdictions around
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the world. They are an awful company, but they are extremely successful at one thing.
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They're not that great at airplanes, not that great at streetcars, not that great at a lot
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of things, but they're extremely good at separating Canadian liberal politicians from Canadian taxpayers'
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dollars to their direction. The political lobbying unit of Bombardier is probably pound for pound
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of the most profitable corporate unit in the entire country. Think about it. They probably
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have 20 people, and they have liberated billions of dollars from the feds, from the provinces.
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I think those are the most enriching people in the entire company. You've got to salute them.
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And if I was GM, I'd say, well, can I hire those Bombardier, you know, necromancers? Because
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Justin Trudeau would love to come in and say, I saved it. And by the way, we've got an election
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coming up in less than a year. Trudeau would love to come in and say, I have saved it. And
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you know what? That riding of Oshawa has voted conservative for more than a decade, for a long
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time, actually. And the liberals do very poorly there. If Justin Trudeau came in with Jerry Diaz,
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the head of Unifor, and maybe even the CEO of GM Canada, and he said, I am here to save the day,
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maybe he'd flip the seat. And maybe he would say, yeah, I'll spend half a billion dollars to pick up
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an MP. Maybe he'd do that. It's a fascinating theory. But at the end of the day, you know,
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as I'm kind of a car guy, I used to cover cars in the mainstream media. When you look at GM right
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now in North America, they have too many plants operating just one shift. Yeah, they got a million
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cars over capacity in their factories. And making too many of the wrong kind of cars. In Oshawa,
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their bread and butter car is the Chevy Impala. That, by the way, is a very good car. Here's the
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problem. Last year, they made less than 76,000. And it has become what's known as a fleet vehicle.
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It's a relatively low profit margin car that goes to car rental companies and taxi companies. I mean,
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when have you last seen a late model Chevy Impala on the road? Whereas where the biggest growth segment
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is in the auto industry is small crossovers. And to me, again, I go back to the fact that, you know,
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the year I was born, 1962, General Motors in North America has over 50% market share. Every second
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car was a GM. And how they've gone from that to taking their eye off the ball. And again,
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aided and abetted by taxpayer welfare. I say enough is enough. Let nature do its course.
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Yeah. Well, listen, that's what you say. And the nature of politicians is to the contrary of that.
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I've heard, you know, there's the old saying, politics is the art of plucking the chicken
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with as few squawks as possible. Or if you can pluck a feather from 30 million Canadians
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and give it to GM, like if you can have the pain as diffuse as possible, but the riches as acute as
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possible, you're going to get a vote here and you'll lose a tiny bit of support out there.
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But you get a big success here in Oshawa. I just think that we have a fairly corrupt
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government in Ottawa. And I don't even think they're hiding their nature. Everything,
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I just saw in the Globe and Mail the other day, it was a headline, a new capitalism.
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Justin Trudeau and Bill Morneau has invented a new capitalism. Yeah, that's not capital. That's
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crony capitalism. That's old school payoffs, bailouts, crony capitalism, feather betting.
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Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not saying it's a done deal, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit of
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Trudeau came in, painted himself the industrial hero to save the day.
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Well, we'll keep an eye on this file, Ezra. We have to wrap it here. And folks, of course,
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you know my personal GM story. In 1980, I sold my comic book collection for a U74 Chevy Camaro
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to get a date at high school. Not only did the Camaro fail in its mandate, but that comic book
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collection today, valuable enough to buy a Ferrari off the lot. So thanks, GM. Anyways, keep it here.
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Well, our border's in crisis. And why is it in crisis? Because left-wing agitators are prompting
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a whole bunch of Central Americans to come north and do the same kind of garbage that the Palestinians
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do outside of Gaza. Yeah, it's all a show. It's all Hollywood. It's all designed to make those
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photos happen. You know, the photo of the woman with the two kids and the bear feed. And they've
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got the tear gas. And oh, my God. Why are you bringing your freaking barefooted kids to a freaking
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riot, you hack? You criminal. You scumbag. This isn't a mother. This is a dirt bag. And she's
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allowing herself to be manipulated. And you're now allowing yourself to be manipulated if you buy
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any of it. Because it's crap. It's garbage. It's trash. This is our country. It does not belong
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to Hondurans. It does not belong to Guatemalans. It does not belong to Mexicans or El Salvadorans.
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It doesn't belong to any of them. It belongs to us. We make the laws. And the laws say,
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you don't climb over the damn fence. At the end of the day, we either have laws or we don't.
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Leftists don't want us to have laws. At least not laws that we pass. They want laws that they pass
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that they enforce. Make no mistake, folks. This is an invasion. Yes, the migrants in the caravan
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are not weaponized. But when uninvited guests are trying to illegally barge into another country,
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well, if that's not the definition of an invasion, I don't know what is. Joining me now with more on
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what looks like the end of the roadshow for the migrant caravan is Kurt Schlichter. Welcome to
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Rebel Roundup, Kurt. Hey, thanks for having me. Always a pleasure. Now, Kurt, as you know,
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earlier this month, we traveled down to southern Mexico and we followed this caravan for five full
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days. So I've seen firsthand what this is all about. And first things first, about 90% of this
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caravan is comprised of able-bodied young men. But it's kind of funny, isn't it? When they get to the
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U.S. border, the 10% who are women and children are moved to the front of the line because I guess
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that makes for better photo ops, doesn't it? I know. Isn't it remarkable? It almost reminds you
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of Gaza. I mean, look, this is a giant scam and I just don't think it's working. I think we've gotten
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so jaded by being lied to for so long. You know, they had the picture of that, well, she wasn't quite
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starving mother with her kids without shoes, wearing diapers at like age 10. And that's like
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the photo. And I think they thought, well, this will tug at those Rubes heartstrings. And we all
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looked at it and we're thinking, first of all, homegirl needs to go on a diet. Second of all,
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why are you bringing your kids to a riot? Third of all, maybe you should get some shoes. Fourth of all,
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go to hell. You can't come in our country. I just don't think it worked.
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Indeed. Now, Kurt, how would you respond to the liberals and the progressives out there
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that say things like, we have a moral obligation to help the downtrodden? That if you look at the
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birth rates in so many Western countries, they are so low, we need more immigration. How would you
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respond to that? Well, you know, first of all, I married an immigrant. My wife was literally a
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Hispanic immigrant, a legal one. So I, you know, when you, when you start telling me about the
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importance of immigration, it's just a hack cliche to me. I live the, the, the dream of America for,
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for immigrants every day. And, and, and my family came over and my family, you know, immediately
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joined the military. You know, my, my wife's father, my wife's brother, she waved goodbye to me when I went
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off to serve our country for 16 months while she had a six month old kid. So I, you know, I don't
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need immigrants or good lessons. Okay. I've, I've lived the magic of legal immigrants who actually
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contribute to our country. Uh, the second thing I would say is no, no, this is our country. And we
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get to decide who comes in based on whatever criteria we choose. And I happen to choose, will
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you be useful to us? My moral responsibility is primarily to my family and my country and not to
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their families and their countries. Their countries are hell holes. I want to ensure that when we allow
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people to come here, they are not going to bring the crummy values that turn their countries into open
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sewers here to impose them on us. I live in California. I've seen the magic happen. I know what
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happens. Indeed. And you know what, one of our segments, uh, Kurt, is that when we were following the
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caravan in Southern Mexico from town to town, when they were put up, when they left the next day, the
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literal mountains of trash left behind. I mean, they, they couldn't be, be bothered, even though they had all
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this time on their hands to simply clean up after themselves. But you know, the thing is, I, I, and I think
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it's important for all the liberals out there. It's that we're not, we're not necessarily anti-immigration.
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We're, we're anti-illegal immigration. My grandparents came to Canada from Scotland in 1946 after the Second
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World War, but they went through the proper channels, Kurt. And I mean, this idea of entitlement, because when I
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asked people there, why don't you emigrate to the U.S. legally, like thousands attempt to do every week,
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the question was, it takes too long and it costs too much money. I'm sorry. I don't have sympathy for
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that. No, uh, you don't get to break our rules and then come here and not have us say no. Now, I, I
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understand why liberals want them here. They think these are, uh, pliable peasants who will vote as
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instructed. And in California, that's worked. Uh, they want to replace this uppity voter base of, uh, you know,
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patriotic Americans who naturally, you know, look askance at the Democrats and their idiot socialist policy. So I,
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I get why they want to do it. I'm just not going to let them. They just don't get to do it. And, you know, I don't need
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a bunch of, um, college student jerks trying to lecture me on morals. I can go upstairs and show
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you my ribbon rack on my uniform of where I went to foreign countries at the expense of my career and
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time with my family to help save foreigners from disasters largely of their own making. Uh, so I,
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I don't need lessons from these people about what it is to help. All I see is posing. Oh, I sit here
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over cliches. And, um, I say, no, I say, you don't get to come here unless you get my permission.
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And to get my permission, you have to earn it. What's in it for me. And also the U S has to worry
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about setting a precedent. If this caravan was let in Kurt, there would be a caravan every week from
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all over the world, uh, coming to the United States. But you know, I want to get your thoughts
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on this. What I noticed in, uh, by getting embedded in the caravan earlier this month,
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Kurt, is that the United Nations has resources committed to this caravan. They have people on
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the ground. And I thought it was perversely ironic that U S taxpayers with their tax dollars are
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essentially funding this invasion of their own country. What's your take? Well, that's, that's
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pretty typical. I mean, you know, we, we, we tend, you know, liberals tend to get in positions where
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they can direct money. So we end up directing it to, you know, Palestinian terrorists, various
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other scumbags around the world. And then these criminals. And, um, you know, we need to wise up.
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That's one of the things I like about Trump is he says the things you're not supposed to say,
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like, Hey, wait a minute. Why are we giving money to Hamas and the PLO? They just murdered an American.
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Why are we doing that? And, and, you know, you're not supposed to say those things,
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but I think it's important to say the things that people don't want said. In fact, those are the
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only things really worth saying because the rest are just cliches. And Kurt, I want to get your take
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too on the media coverage of this caravan. Uh, I'll throw out two nuggets for you. First of all,
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when, um, CBC here reported that when the caravan was 5,000 people, 2,300 were children. Now I can tell
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you that that is a factual statement. If your definition of a child is someone under the age
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of 35, as opposed to 18. Secondly, the guardian last month reported that the real reason for this,
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uh, migrant caravan is climate change, right? And they base that hypothesis on the fact that,
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uh, a couple of anecdotes of farmers having two crop failures in a row. But I would say that crop
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failures have been part of farming since, oh, I don't know, the invention of farming.
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What do you make of this narrative that we're seeing from the mainstream media, Kurt?
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I don't think people are buying it. Look, everybody knows the media is a liberal transcription service
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and that they're liars. Everything they say is presumptively a lie. And I think people are
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getting woke to it again. One of the great services of Donald Trump is to accurately point out that the
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media is the enemy of the people. It is the enemy of the people. It is the tool of the elite,
00:25:05.220
it is the weapon of the elite. And the weapon is being wielded against the people. And they hate
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that because they, they, they love the idea that they've assumed the moral high ground, but they
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haven't. They're a bunch of liars, dirtbag and scumbags. And everything you see on the media,
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you must presume is a lie designed to fool you into supporting liberal causes. If you, if you go into
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it that way, you're, you're, you're not going to be fooled.
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A hundred percent, Kurt. We're going to have to wrap it there. And I would argue once again,
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that a nation without borders and a nation that doesn't enforce its borders,
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it really isn't much of a nation, not in any kind of meaningful sense.
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That's true. That's true. Borders make a country.
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You got it. And folks, keep it here. More of Rebel Roundup to come right after this.
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We've all seen these media slants, right? Like a free speech rally is attacked by Antifa. And
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many in the mainstream media will say free speech rally people incite violence. And you're like,
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wait, what? Who came there to attack? Wait, do Antifa rallies get attacked? Do pride marches get
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attacked? Do pro-abortion marches get shut down? No.
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The right almost never, if ever, attacks other events. But somehow, someway, it's the right's
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fault. The right just brings it on itself. And in this tragic story, John Cho, the American
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missionary, was killed after he reached North Sentinel Island, which is banned from outside
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contact and is illegal to travel to, which is probably why you haven't heard of it. And John
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was killed when he reached the island by the native people, the Sentinelese, who have been isolated and
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cut off from the world for thousands of years. So how would the mainstream media paint this story?
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Well, USA Today was pretty clear, leading with a headline saying, quote, American on misplaced
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adventure killed by hostile tribes on a remote island. Very subtle. NBC said, quote, American
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killed by isolated tribe on India's North Sentinel Island, police say. And then they lead it with,
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quote, an American adventurer who kayaked to a remote Indian island populated by a tribe known for
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shooting outsiders with bows and arrows has been killed, police say, Wednesday. Yeah, this adventurer
00:27:12.680
got what was coming to him. And LA Times leads with its first, quote, calling John an American
00:27:17.260
tourist. The mainstream media is quick to lump John's actions into an adventure seeker, a tourist
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or a risk taker, painting the story for the readers that John's acts were all self-seeking,
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self-serving, risking his life solely for the thrill. And I guess he just got what was coming
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to him. Well, let me give you some more details from his actual journals and the last entries of
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it. John said, quote, I'm scared watching the sunset and it's beautiful, crying a bit, wondering if it'll be
00:27:40.280
the last sunset I see, unquote. Quote, you guys may think I'm crazy in all this, but I think it's
00:27:44.740
worthwhile to declare Jesus to these people. God, I don't want to die, unquote. And despite knowing
00:27:50.340
the danger, John had been planning this trip for three years, as mentioned by a friend to the Daily
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Mail to, quote, preach Christianity to the tribesmen. Yeah, it really sounds like he was trying to get an
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adrenaline rush, right? And on his final day, the fisherman who dropped a mouth said, quote,
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John found himself facing a flurry of arrows, but he kept walking. Clearly, John Allen Chow was a man on a
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mission, and that mission did not go very well indeed. Now, was it foolhardy and downright dangerous
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to go to North Sentinel Island in the first place? Perhaps. But by the same token, there seems to be a
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degree of glee in certain quarters, including those in the mainstream media who appear to be gloating
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over Mr. Chow's demise. And that's not right either. And with more on the horrible death of John Chow,
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I'm joined now by our Tinseltown rebel, Ben Davies. Welcome to Rebel Roundup, Ben.
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Oh, it's good to be here. Thanks for having me. A pleasure as always. But Ben, I have to be honest
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with you here. I'm struggling with this story. Mr. Chow went to an extremely dangerous place,
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and a place that's actually illegal to visit. He was smuggled there by a fisherman, and he knew that.
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My question is this. Could he have not gone somewhere else that was more receptive to his
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missionary work, or at least to a place that wasn't going to result in a death sentence for him?
00:29:13.100
Oh, absolutely. I mean, there are like hundreds of thousands, millions of missionaries all over the
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world that do this kind of work constantly. I work with several organizations like Amazimam Ministries
00:29:22.180
that goes into Uganda, where we went up into the mountains where people had literally never seen a
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white person before. And for kids whose parents have died of AIDS, we would take them in and
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take them to school and give them two meals a day when they were just living in the dirt, basically.
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And there's organizations like this all over the world that do incredible good.
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And these were things that John Chow had done, like he'd done missions work before.
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But this was the first time he's like, well, these people, like no one has been able to reach these
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people. They've been living isolated for years. And he wanted to spread the word and the gospel to
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them and give them hope in a future. And that was his goal, whether you believe his intentions or not.
00:29:53.460
That was kind of what his mission was. What I think is so fascinating is looking back on this,
00:29:58.120
this is the most controversial video I've ever put on The Rebel. I have more dislikes on this video
00:30:03.400
than ever before and more comments than ever before. And I think it's so interesting because
00:30:07.780
I think there's two questions here. The first thing that I could reach out to for people that
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didn't like the video specifically because, you know, there was a bunch of people attacking
00:30:15.880
Christianity. If you are watching The Rebel, I'm sure you are a fan of the West. And that's one of the
00:30:20.080
things I talked about. It's why the media is slanting this a certain way for John Chow.
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And it's if there is an attack on Christianity and Judeo-Christian principles, they are attacking
00:30:28.460
Western civilization. That's the reason why they're doing it. And I was talking about the way they
00:30:31.680
were framing John when they were describing him as an adventure seeker or a tourist or something
00:30:36.600
like that, and specifically not demeaning the reason why he was there. And that's the reason why
00:30:40.680
they were going there. And I think the people that were disliking my video, half it, I was just
00:30:45.300
talking about the way the media is attacking this would attack increased Christian beliefs
00:30:49.660
and Christian principles. And that inflated with the people go to a tribe area that has
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not been immune to diseases. Then I think those were two things that really got people going
00:31:02.940
But you know, Ben, subtracting the religion out of it here, it's just the fact that he seemed
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to be going to a place where he wanted to save people where clearly they don't want to
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be saved. And I mean, and I have some sympathy for these people. Evidently, if you go back to
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1858, the population was over 5000. The last credible number they have is from 1931, 460 decimated
00:31:28.660
by diseases. I mean, I guess it's one thing to spread the gospel. It's another thing if you're going
00:31:33.400
to spread measles. And this is why these people are saying, look, leave us alone. We don't want any
00:31:41.640
outside interference. They tried to kill a shipwrecked Belgian crew in 1981. Only heavy waters
00:31:51.400
prevented them from doing so. In 1974, a National Geographic film crew was there. The cameraman
00:31:56.980
ended up with an arrow in his ankle. They have said time and time again, don't come here. So again,
00:32:08.360
Yeah, like I said, in my video specifically, I wasn't condoning people to do what John did. I
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wasn't saying to anyone, go to this island, like break the law and do this sort of thing.
00:32:18.580
And to answer your question, why, if you feel like there's a calling on your heart from God,
00:32:22.520
you're going to follow through with it. And that was, and so I wasn't questioning his motives
00:32:27.860
necessarily. And that was why he was, I guess, going to this place in the first place. His friends
00:32:31.920
said he'd been playing this trip for three years. I was more pointing out that obviously I was not
00:32:37.980
condoning people going to the island. I was just saying that it would be very, very different if
00:32:41.460
this was not a Christian missionary, if this was a radical feminism trying to empower women on the
00:32:45.780
island, like she would be martyred as a hero. We'd have a national holiday. But since it was a
00:32:49.820
Christian missionary, it was kind of almost made fun of or mocked for him going over there. But yeah,
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I mean, the people obviously want to be isolated and this is something that is dangerous,
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but it was not like he was a colonizer, which is what he was called to, trying to get this island
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to plant a flag. He was walking into arrow fire with his hands out because he wanted to help the
00:33:08.240
people. I think it's almost disrespectful the way it was framed by many in the media.
00:33:14.180
But you know, Ben, if I throw it out to you again, I mean, in a way, another reason why I have
00:33:18.440
sympathy for these people is that they're pursuing a narrative that we support, which is border control
00:33:24.400
and preventing illegals from coming into your territory. And that's what they did here. Now,
00:33:30.640
did this man deserve a death sentence? Absolutely not. But those are the rules of engagement that
00:33:39.080
this tribe operates under. So again, just like the U.S. is protecting its border on Mexico right now
00:33:46.500
from some 5,000 migrants from Central America getting in, this is what the Central East protecting
00:33:52.400
their territory too, is it not? Oh, absolutely. And that's why they're not going to be charged with
00:33:58.220
murder. I know they're trying to retrieve the body now. And yeah, that's a very separate issue
00:34:04.960
in that front. Yeah, protecting your borders and that sort of thing. Like that wasn't something that
00:34:09.480
I was disputing in that at all. And he was willing to take the risk and face the death sentence for
00:34:15.580
doing that. And I guess they had the right to defend their borders and kill him. And that's why
00:34:18.780
they're not going to be charged with anything from the India. Obviously, there's no government
00:34:22.220
influence over there. There's no technology or anything. But I mean, he knew the risk and that's
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and that was what happened. Well, I guess we'll wrap it here, Ben. I think I always try to look
00:34:30.760
for a silver lining in any kind of tragedy. And I really feel for this man. He didn't deserve to
00:34:35.720
pay for his with his life. He made a stupid decision to go there, but he doesn't deserve,
00:34:40.500
I think, to get the kind of hate on mocking he's receiving. But having said that, maybe the silver
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lining is his example is a telltale warning sign to anyone else, for whatever reason that wants to
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go there, you are not welcome for any reason. Stay away or pay the ultimate price.
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Yeah. And I would encourage people, too, because obviously people talk about doing disease or
00:35:05.340
injecting disease in different cultures and stuff. There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
00:35:09.440
examples that complete opposite happening with other civilizations, including a great movie called
00:35:12.960
The End of the Spear with Harani tribe in Honduras that were isolated as well. And after the
00:35:17.440
missionaries were killed, their children and wives would come back and befriended these people and
00:35:21.360
brought them into civilization. It completely transformed the area. So it's but so I want to
00:35:25.780
also have that, too. And also, yeah, obviously, if this is a dangerous place, it's illegal to go to
00:35:30.420
stay away. Gotcha. Thanks so much, Ben. You're welcome. And folks, keep it here. More of Rebel Roundup to come
00:35:42.960
Well, Bill and Hillary Clinton are in Toronto to give a talk here at the Scotiabank arena. And it's
00:35:52.680
about 35 minutes to showtime. As you can see, folks, it's not exactly Leafs versus Canadians on a
00:36:00.920
Saturday night or for that matter, a Trump rally. Still, the question arises, why are Bill and Hillary
00:36:08.880
Clinton in Toronto in the first place? And secondly, who would buy a ticket for this event, some of which
00:36:18.600
Let's try to find out from some of the Democratic fans. Hey, guys, are you here to see the Clintons?
00:36:27.320
Oh, just we're interested to watching them. Oh, OK, then. Say, listen, we're wondering, in this
00:36:32.280
Me Too era, how come they haven't apologized to Monica Lewinsky yet?
00:36:35.920
No comment. Say, guys, are you coming to the Clinton event?
00:36:45.640
We are, we are. OK, what brings you out to see them, sir?
00:36:48.640
Well, we just rather admire them. That's all. They're very good.
00:36:53.360
What makes you admire the Clintons? Well, I think Bill Clinton was one of the best presidents they
00:36:58.160
ever had. You know, he's a very smart man, did a great job. I think his wife would have done a
00:37:04.320
great job, too, if that other guy hadn't shown up. Tell me, sir, in this day and age of the Me Too
00:37:09.760
movement, why do you think Bill Clinton has yet to apologize to Monica Lewinsky?
00:37:14.360
I know. No opinion there. No opinion? No. No. OK. Oh, just wondering what brings you out, ma'am?
00:37:20.680
I'm interested in the Clintons. Oh, OK, then. Now, tell me, you know, one of the questions we're
00:37:24.760
asking people is that since we're living in the Me Too era, why do you think Bill Clinton hasn't
00:37:29.400
apologized to Monica Lewinsky yet? I'm not going to comment on Bill Clinton. No. Oh. Hey, guys,
00:37:35.560
are you going to the Clinton event? Yes, I am. Oh, great. What brings you out, ma'am?
00:37:39.880
Well, we're very interested in American politics and the Clintons certainly are at the center of that.
00:37:44.280
That's for sure. How about yourself, sir? Well, the same thing and also a once-in-a-lifetime
00:37:48.040
chance to see someone like an ex-president of the United States that doesn't come along,
00:37:52.520
you know, too often to have this chance. Tell me, in this day and age of the Me Too movement,
00:37:58.600
why do you think Bill Clinton has yet to apologize to Monica Lewinsky?
00:38:02.440
No, no, we're fine, we're fine. No, no, move. No, no, no.
00:38:06.520
What happened? He was the only one to get caught. He was, he just did what all the other presidents
00:38:11.080
did before him. Oh, OK, then. So everybody that's occupied the Oval Office has been doing
00:38:16.920
that with young interns? Sadly, yes. Really? OK. How about yourself, ma'am? You're a woman,
00:38:22.360
you've got skin in the game when it comes to sexual harassment. I don't think anybody has skin in,
00:38:26.760
sorry, I don't think anybody has skin in the game when it comes to sexual harassment. If you'd like
00:38:32.600
to apologize for what you've said... What did I say? Totally fine. But I think that's wildly
00:38:37.560
inappropriate to call sexual harassment a game by any means. Is there more inappropriate what
00:38:44.440
Bill Clinton did to... And maybe use your words a little bit more wisely with somebody else.
00:38:48.440
OK. Holy shoot, the messenger Batman. Well, the Billery show hit Toronto earlier this week and
00:38:57.080
plenty of good seats went unsold. But as you saw, Clinton fans run for the hills when you bring up
00:39:04.360
that other L word, Lewinsky. So much for female empowerment, I guess, when it comes to the slobbering
00:39:11.480
love affair so many on the left have for the Clinton duo. In any event, here's what some of you had to
00:39:18.600
say about the inability of attendees to comment on certain somewhat embarrassing topics. Wayne Milligan
00:39:27.000
writes, the Clinton crime family can't draw flies even in downtown Toronto. Gotta love the collection of
00:39:34.440
perfectly quaffed progressive geriatrics in their furs and pearls who didn't want to talk about Bill's
00:39:41.160
sexual harassment of the intern Monica, let alone the rape of Juanita Broderick, Hillary's pay-to-play
00:39:48.280
State Department, and the blatant tax evasion of the Clinton Foundation. These progressive fools
00:39:54.920
wasting their time and money listening to two of the most corrupt politicians in American history.
00:40:02.360
Hey Wayne, you bring up so many superb points about other Clinton-esque scandals, but as you saw,
00:40:09.080
these people came for a session of sanitized for your protection happy talk, even though there are
00:40:16.280
more skeletons in the Clinton closet than you'd find at the local graveyard. Joe Exxon writes,
00:40:24.280
of this I am certain, Donald Trump comes to the liberal stronghold Toronto, he sells out immediately.
00:40:31.080
You know, I bet you're right, Joe, I also bet the usual suspects, ranging from hardcore feminists to Antifa,
00:40:39.080
would try to make things miserable for attendees going to a Trump event in Toronto. On the flip side,
00:40:45.000
I did not encounter a single protester regarding the Clinton event. Funny that, eh?
00:40:51.720
Sharon Isaac writes, Monica Lewinsky is the least of Clinton's crimes. You know what, Sharon?
00:40:58.120
The worst thing I can say about that statement is that you are likely 100% correct, such as the sheer
00:41:05.240
magnitude of Clinton chicanery. And Mr. Tragic Dragon writes, OMG, the level of stupid is so high,
00:41:14.600
I had to bang my head repeatedly on my desk just to make the pain stop. Hey, careful, Mr. Tragic Dragon,
00:41:22.520
that sort of behavior will turn you into a card-carrying Democrat. Well, that wraps up another
00:41:28.520
edition of Rebel Roundup. Thanks so much for joining us. See you next week. And hey, folks,
00:41:32.760
never forget, without risk, there can be no glory. Good night.