Rebel News Podcast - Rebel Roundup： Keean Bexte & Sheila Gunn Reid

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Rebel Roundup, ladies and gentlemen, and the rest of you, in which we look back

00:00:19.240 at some of the very best commentaries of the week by your favourite rebels.

00:00:22.880 I'm your host, David Menzies.

00:00:24.400 Well, say it ain't so. The province of Alberta is sending someone to a climate conference who is anti-oil sands and pro-carbon tax.

00:00:35.280 Sheila Gunn-Reed shall attempt to explain the seemingly unexplainable.

00:00:40.660 And Kian Bexty goes to Andrew Scheer's Stomping Grounds of Regina with a photo of Mr. Charisma himself.

00:00:47.380 Why? Well, Kian just wanted to find out if Regina locals would be able to recognise Scheer.

00:00:53.060 Spoiler alert, most did not.

00:00:56.900 And finally, letters. We get your letters. We get them every minute of every day.

00:01:00.960 And I'll share some of your responses regarding my report about a Toronto United Church nativity display

00:01:07.060 that depicts the baby Jesus as a caged illegal migrant.

00:01:13.080 Oh, Merry Christmas indeed.

00:01:15.140 Those are your rebels. Now, let's round them up.

00:01:17.480 And I see the Eurasia Group is also there.

00:01:24.940 As you'll recall, they are Gerald Butt's new employers.

00:01:28.080 Oh, and Gerald Butt's old employer is also there too.

00:01:31.960 That's the Anti-Oil World Wildlife Fund.

00:01:35.280 Also on the list of attendees of this greenwashing summit is Ed Whittingham,

00:01:40.240 formerly of the Pembina Institute.

00:01:41.920 You'll recall they're a group referenced in the Rockefeller Tar Sands campaign documents

00:01:46.860 as the point group in Alberta to help landlock our oil and gas.

00:01:51.380 He's a man the Kenny team made a big stink about the Notley government appointing to the Alberta energy regulator.

00:01:58.720 And yet now, the Alberta government legitimises him by sending an official envoy to meet with him.

00:02:04.300 Why did the Alberta government, currently busy fighting the carbon tax in federal court this very week,

00:02:11.540 send pro-carbon tax bureaucrat, a senior policy analyst named Mark Cameron,

00:02:17.280 to join this league of subversives?

00:02:20.400 Cameron was hired by Jason Kenney after spending years advocating for carbon taxes

00:02:26.100 from within the conservative movement as the head of Clean Prosperity.

00:02:30.680 Yeah, I know what you're thinking, folks.

00:02:32.440 When there was regime change big time in Alberta last year,

00:02:36.520 wasn't the UCP and Jason Kenney supposed to be pro-oil sands?

00:02:42.540 So how is it even possible that someone such as Mark Cameron is representing the province

00:02:48.780 at what is essentially a gathering that is meant to denounce the energy sector?

00:02:54.900 And joining me now with more on a story that is downright inexplicable

00:03:00.260 is the host of The Gun Show, Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:03:03.160 Welcome to Rebel Roundup, my friend.

00:03:05.680 Hey, David. Thanks for having me on the show.

00:03:07.300 Always a pleasure.

00:03:08.240 So, Sheila, assuming the buck stops at Premier Kenney's office,

00:03:13.320 how in blazes is someone with Cameron's CV

00:03:16.360 being sent to this awful conference in the first place?

00:03:19.760 Let's go back a step.

00:03:22.060 How is someone like Mark Cameron employed by Jason Kenney

00:03:25.180 with this gravy bureaucratic position?

00:03:29.220 Mark Cameron, by all accounts, is a genuinely nice human being,

00:03:34.220 from what I understand.

00:03:35.420 I've never met him personally, but I understand that he's a very nice man,

00:03:40.360 good family man.

00:03:41.760 That's great.

00:03:42.580 But that doesn't mean that he should have a job with Jason Kenney's government.

00:03:46.220 When Jason Kenney's government was elected to repeal the carbon tax,

00:03:51.260 but not just to repeal it, but to fight it

00:03:54.160 when the federal government tries to impose it on us,

00:03:57.100 and then to go after the enemies of Alberta's oil and gas sector.

00:04:01.880 That's why Jason Kenney was elected.

00:04:04.440 And yet, he has appointed Mark Cameron,

00:04:08.720 who used to be the head of something called Clean Prosperity,

00:04:12.180 which was a front group to push carbon taxes within the conservative movement.

00:04:18.880 Like, conservatives are generally against taxes to start with,

00:04:22.380 but especially carbon taxes.

00:04:24.440 But that was his job,

00:04:25.540 to sort of move the needle forward on carbon taxes

00:04:28.500 within the conservative movement.

00:04:30.880 And once Jason Kenney got elected,

00:04:32.920 he became this, you know, policy,

00:04:35.060 senior policy analyst for Jason Kenney's government.

00:04:38.500 So, Sheila, though, what is the unspoken story here?

00:04:43.860 Yeah, Mr. Cameron might be a nicer guy than Santa Claus on Christmas Eve.

00:04:47.300 I get that.

00:04:48.460 But the thing is,

00:04:49.760 why would somebody with his background

00:04:52.540 and his political viewpoints be appointed?

00:04:55.760 In other words, I'm asking,

00:04:56.720 if you were to ask Jason Kenney that

00:04:58.700 and get an honest answer,

00:05:00.480 what do you think it would be?

00:05:02.260 I don't know what Jason Kenney would say,

00:05:04.040 but I know what I'll say,

00:05:04.960 and I'll say it's cronyism.

00:05:06.100 Good old-fashioned cronyism.

00:05:08.500 He's, you know, I think,

00:05:11.240 you know, he's been,

00:05:12.000 Mark Cameron's been around the conservative movement a long time.

00:05:15.240 And from what I understand,

00:05:16.720 he's sort of friendly with Jason Kenney.

00:05:18.260 And, you know, get on the gravy train with biscuit wheels.

00:05:21.520 And this is exactly what we unelected

00:05:24.640 the former Redford Tories because of.

00:05:28.260 Because there was so much entrenched cronyism,

00:05:31.060 that backlash against cronyism left us with Rachel Notley.

00:05:35.540 We don't want to see it starting again.

00:05:37.660 And this, you know,

00:05:38.780 Jason Kenney has had a lot of really great appointments,

00:05:41.340 and he's done a lot in the short time that he has been elected.

00:05:45.820 But this one appointment has really left a lot of conservatives

00:05:49.760 with a bad taste in their mouth

00:05:51.660 because it harkens back to the conservatives

00:05:53.580 we threw out of office a few years back.

00:05:56.060 You know, it's absolutely stunning.

00:05:58.780 And I don't know why, if it is indeed cronyism, Sheila,

00:06:03.980 why is it needed in this case?

00:06:05.640 Jason Kenney has a super majority in Alberta.

00:06:08.160 He promised to say it loud,

00:06:12.340 say it proud that he was pro-oil sands,

00:06:14.820 that he was against the carbon tax.

00:06:16.440 So this kind of policy is,

00:06:19.500 it's kind of like this policy and this person is a holdover

00:06:22.900 from the old Notley regime.

00:06:26.460 And I just can't connect the dots here, Sheila.

00:06:30.600 And there must be a feeling of people in Alberta,

00:06:34.800 especially those who are swelling the unemployment lines,

00:06:38.840 that this is a betrayal.

00:06:40.540 Yeah, well, it certainly is.

00:06:43.560 If Mark Cameron were appointed by Rachel Notley,

00:06:46.380 we'd all be lighting our hair on fire.

00:06:48.320 But because he's appointed by Jason Kenney,

00:06:50.060 we're just supposed to defer to Jason Kenney's wisdom

00:06:53.340 on the subject.

00:06:54.280 And I'm just not, I'm not going to do it.

00:06:57.800 And even worse still, okay,

00:07:00.320 let's just say Mark Cameron is a cronyism appointment.

00:07:04.540 Great, fine.

00:07:05.960 Keep him in a position where he's not doing any damage.

00:07:08.280 Just, you know, give him some busy work.

00:07:10.600 I don't like it, but if he's going to have a job,

00:07:12.920 keep him out of places where he can make trouble

00:07:15.340 for the rest of us.

00:07:16.640 But no, he's been sent to this soiree

00:07:21.020 of anti-oil activists,

00:07:24.940 fraidy cat oil companies

00:07:27.560 who are still working on the idea of social license,

00:07:31.180 appeasing your enemy to hope

00:07:32.560 that you can get some pipelines done,

00:07:35.360 and big banksters.

00:07:37.040 I mean, we sent Mark Cameron,

00:07:39.860 we as the Alberta government,

00:07:41.920 sent Mark Cameron to this conference,

00:07:45.700 the Energy Futures Forum,

00:07:48.300 with Gerald Butts' former employer,

00:07:51.720 the World Wildlife Fund,

00:07:53.260 and his new employer, the Eurasia Group,

00:07:56.260 as well as the Pembina Institute,

00:07:58.380 which was listed in the Rockefeller Tar Sands Campaign

00:08:01.980 as the point NGO in Alberta to go to

00:08:06.420 if you're looking to block oil and gas development here.

00:08:10.280 I mean, it is crazy that we have somebody

00:08:13.020 who's even sitting at this forum

00:08:17.000 when back at home,

00:08:19.660 Jason Kenney has just opened up

00:08:21.400 what they're calling the War Room.

00:08:23.320 It's the Energy Center,

00:08:25.100 and it's there to dispel the myths

00:08:27.180 by the antis against Alberta oil.

00:08:30.180 It's a $30 million project

00:08:32.320 to combat the lies from the likes of

00:08:35.980 the World Wildlife Fund and Pembina Institute,

00:08:39.560 and we didn't send a War Room representative

00:08:42.280 to this forum.

00:08:44.100 We sent a sympathizer, Mark Cameron.

00:08:46.540 It is absolutely staggering.

00:08:49.020 But, you know, the conference itself, Sheila,

00:08:50.980 will anything tangible come out of this

00:08:53.580 that will further affect, in a bad way,

00:08:57.120 the Alberta gas and energy industry?

00:09:00.500 Or is this just, I don't know,

00:09:02.860 a bunch of executives and so-called do-gooders,

00:09:07.260 virtue signaling, and taking stances like that,

00:09:10.380 that at the end of the day,

00:09:11.580 it doesn't mean the proverbial hill of beans?

00:09:14.880 Well, the federal government

00:09:16.920 has representatives there,

00:09:18.280 so that should tell you

00:09:19.160 just how serious this thing could get.

00:09:21.760 But also the banksters.

00:09:23.920 There's this movement

00:09:25.200 within the international banking establishment

00:09:28.400 to divest from coal

00:09:31.560 and divest from oil and gas

00:09:34.140 to stop financing these things.

00:09:36.340 So when we have organizations like RBC

00:09:39.200 meeting with these, you know,

00:09:42.240 activist NGOs

00:09:43.340 who are pushing the kinds of divestment

00:09:46.680 and sanctions against oil and gas,

00:09:49.680 we should all be very worried

00:09:51.640 because these mega projects,

00:09:54.660 like the ones that we need to go forward

00:09:56.760 to get Alberta working,

00:09:58.280 they require a lot of financial backing.

00:10:01.220 And if the banks have been convinced

00:10:03.660 to pull out of financing these things,

00:10:06.240 it doesn't matter if they get approval

00:10:07.960 because they'll never get financing.

00:10:09.500 You know, how shameful.

00:10:11.360 I mean, Alberta needs someone

00:10:13.260 that is a champion

00:10:14.520 for the energy industry there.

00:10:16.520 Instead, there looks like

00:10:17.980 they're sending somebody

00:10:18.720 that's going to take the knee.

00:10:20.460 Sheila, one last thing.

00:10:23.120 We're not taking the knee on this.

00:10:24.800 In fact, you've got a new campaign

00:10:26.840 to engage people

00:10:28.900 when it comes to Mr. Cameron.

00:10:30.340 Tell us about that.

00:10:31.880 Well, it's a new old campaign.

00:10:33.700 When Cameron was first appointed

00:10:36.460 to this policy analyst position,

00:10:40.000 I started a campaign

00:10:41.240 calling on Jason Kenney to fire him.

00:10:43.540 You know, there are a lot of good people

00:10:45.120 in Alberta

00:10:45.700 who are ideologically in line

00:10:49.120 with repealing the carbon tax,

00:10:51.260 smart people who are capable people

00:10:53.620 who would be better suited for the job.

00:10:56.700 And, you know, I don't think

00:10:59.120 Mark Cameron's that guy.

00:11:00.140 So back then, I started a campaign

00:11:02.960 to fire Mark Cameron.

00:11:05.460 And people can sign that petition

00:11:07.120 and see my first video

00:11:08.660 at firecameron.com.

00:11:10.680 And, you know, when I saw

00:11:12.980 that Mark Cameron now

00:11:14.320 is actually, you know,

00:11:15.800 going to these sorts of forums

00:11:17.420 as a sympathizer

00:11:19.080 instead of an adversary,

00:11:21.080 I thought, what a great time

00:11:22.420 to remind people

00:11:23.380 exactly who Mark Cameron is.

00:11:25.220 And again, they can do that

00:11:26.900 at firecameron.com.

00:11:29.000 Well, good for you, Sheila.

00:11:31.080 And listen, again,

00:11:32.620 it's a staggering story.

00:11:34.020 I almost can't believe it.

00:11:37.040 And but listen,

00:11:38.880 have a Merry Christmas, nonetheless,

00:11:40.860 and all the best to you

00:11:41.940 in 2020, my friend.

00:11:44.000 Same to you and yours, David.

00:11:45.340 You got it.

00:11:46.120 And that was Sheila Gunn-Reed

00:11:48.120 with folks,

00:11:49.520 what is just an incredible story

00:11:51.180 of this guy

00:11:52.140 going to this conference.

00:11:54.240 Keep it here.

00:11:54.960 More of Rebel Roundup to come

00:11:56.140 right after this.

00:11:56.940 Now, Andrew Scheer announced

00:12:03.220 his resignation,

00:12:04.080 but perhaps it was just like

00:12:05.320 what Pierre Trudeau did

00:12:06.520 to keep the heat off of him

00:12:07.860 in a time of scandal

00:12:09.280 so he could bide his time

00:12:10.480 and wait for the government

00:12:11.940 of the day to collapse.

00:12:13.400 That could happen.

00:12:14.400 Trudeau's in a minority position

00:12:15.600 with parties biting at his heels,

00:12:17.840 hoping for the government

00:12:18.820 to collapse.

00:12:19.500 Now, you might be wondering

00:12:20.180 why I'm walking around

00:12:21.160 with a picture of Andrew Scheer.

00:12:22.560 Well, I'm in Regina

00:12:23.440 at his stomping grounds,

00:12:24.660 at his alma mater,

00:12:25.960 the University of Virginia,

00:12:27.000 and I'm going to ask

00:12:27.920 the folks who would be voting

00:12:29.420 for Andrew Scheer

00:12:30.320 if they even know who he is

00:12:32.420 and if they do,

00:12:34.020 if they still think he's leader.

00:12:35.880 We're doing a story

00:12:36.780 on this man here

00:12:38.020 and we're wondering

00:12:38.540 if you could tell us

00:12:39.300 who he is.

00:12:40.080 I don't know.

00:12:44.320 Never heard of him?

00:12:45.160 No.

00:12:45.960 Would you be able

00:12:46.360 to identify who this is?

00:12:48.700 No.

00:12:49.700 Do you recognize this man?

00:12:50.980 No.

00:12:51.520 No?

00:12:51.900 He just fought

00:12:52.580 a federal election

00:12:53.400 and he's actually from Regina.

00:12:56.360 Really?

00:12:57.000 Yes.

00:12:57.740 Yeah, no.

00:12:58.420 No idea about this.

00:12:59.360 Okay.

00:12:59.960 Just asking folks

00:13:00.780 if they can identify

00:13:01.540 who this is.

00:13:02.220 I can't.

00:13:05.720 Sorry.

00:13:06.780 Stephen Harper.

00:13:07.680 Stephen Harper.

00:13:08.300 Would you be able

00:13:09.600 to identify

00:13:10.140 who this man is?

00:13:11.700 No.

00:13:13.900 Milk drinker.

00:13:14.920 There you go.

00:13:15.920 Would you be able

00:13:16.340 to identify

00:13:16.880 who this man is?

00:13:19.040 Boris Johnson.

00:13:20.420 Boris Johnson.

00:13:21.180 I don't know.

00:13:21.580 Close.

00:13:22.360 Close.

00:13:22.860 Ouch.

00:13:23.520 Now, that's embarrassing.

00:13:25.600 Yet, by the same token,

00:13:26.980 it speaks volumes

00:13:28.140 when you're the leader

00:13:29.760 of the official opposition party

00:13:31.580 and you're a man

00:13:32.660 that could have been

00:13:34.120 prime minister.

00:13:35.580 How is it even possible

00:13:36.860 that most people

00:13:37.940 interviewed

00:13:38.400 at a university campus

00:13:40.140 couldn't put a name

00:13:41.680 to that milk-chugging face?

00:13:44.640 And joining us now

00:13:45.780 is our roving reporter,

00:13:47.520 Kian Bexte.

00:13:48.260 Welcome to Rebel Roundup, Kian.

00:13:50.360 Thanks for having me, David.

00:13:51.840 Always a pleasure.

00:13:52.680 So, Kian,

00:13:53.560 looks like Andrew Scheer

00:13:55.320 still lives up

00:13:56.600 to his facetious nickname

00:13:58.320 of Mr. Charisma, eh?

00:14:01.980 That's exactly

00:14:02.920 what we found in Regina.

00:14:04.400 I, you know,

00:14:05.220 we went there to,

00:14:06.800 it was kind of

00:14:07.460 a fact-finding mission

00:14:08.520 to figure out

00:14:09.240 exactly how well

00:14:10.460 he is known.

00:14:12.640 You know,

00:14:13.240 people just went

00:14:14.480 to the ballot boxes

00:14:15.260 across the entire country

00:14:17.100 and there's three names

00:14:18.580 at least people should know.

00:14:20.300 So, Justin Trudeau,

00:14:21.420 Andrew Scheer,

00:14:22.040 and maybe Jagmeet Singh.

00:14:25.160 You'd think

00:14:26.000 at least

00:14:27.400 Justin Trudeau

00:14:28.260 and Andrew Scheer

00:14:28.880 would have

00:14:29.320 nationwide name recognition

00:14:31.180 as the two major parties.

00:14:32.820 One of them

00:14:33.460 was going to be

00:14:33.980 prime minister.

00:14:35.020 One of them

00:14:35.620 actually came from Regina,

00:14:37.540 went to school

00:14:38.320 at the University of Regina,

00:14:40.120 yet it was a crapshoot

00:14:42.340 as to whether or not

00:14:43.220 someone could identify them.

00:14:44.860 Some people thought

00:14:45.500 he was Boris Johnson.

00:14:46.620 Some people thought

00:14:47.220 maybe he was Stephen Harper.

00:14:48.360 One person said,

00:14:49.580 oh, is that Andrew Sharp?

00:14:53.300 Sorry, Andrew.

00:14:54.760 You know, Kian,

00:14:56.320 it brought on

00:14:57.880 a feeling of deja vu

00:14:59.120 for me.

00:14:59.660 Last year,

00:15:00.760 I went to

00:15:01.700 Yonge-Dundas Square

00:15:02.700 in Toronto

00:15:03.480 and it was almost surreal.

00:15:05.240 By this point,

00:15:06.380 Mr. Scheer had been

00:15:07.440 the leader of the party

00:15:08.580 for a solid 18 months

00:15:10.240 and we were asking

00:15:11.620 people there

00:15:12.360 and there was actually

00:15:13.520 a huge jumbotron

00:15:15.500 in the square

00:15:16.680 where Andrew Scheer

00:15:18.340 was addressing people.

00:15:19.380 I think it was during

00:15:19.900 the Halifax convention

00:15:21.540 with his name

00:15:22.960 and everything

00:15:23.380 and even with that,

00:15:25.420 spoiler if you want

00:15:26.940 to call it,

00:15:28.620 I think only maybe

00:15:30.040 two or three people

00:15:31.580 out of more than

00:15:33.560 two dozen

00:15:34.280 got his name.

00:15:35.220 In fact,

00:15:35.420 the most embarrassing

00:15:36.180 guess was

00:15:37.520 one lady thought

00:15:38.960 he was Paul Bernardo,

00:15:40.660 Canada's most

00:15:41.480 notorious serial killer.

00:15:43.580 But the thing is,

00:15:45.920 you know,

00:15:47.420 Kian,

00:15:47.980 is this part

00:15:49.660 of the problem

00:15:50.320 in that

00:15:51.360 if you can't even

00:15:52.720 recognize the guy

00:15:54.060 and these are people

00:15:54.820 in his own backyard,

00:15:56.580 is this indicative

00:15:57.700 of what Peter McKay

00:15:59.160 said post-election

00:16:00.660 that when he likened

00:16:02.540 Mr. Scheer

00:16:03.160 to a hockey player

00:16:04.620 on a breakaway

00:16:05.520 that, you know,

00:16:06.620 missed on an open net,

00:16:08.180 was there just

00:16:10.400 a failure to resonate

00:16:12.500 with people out there

00:16:13.880 for whatever reason?

00:16:15.560 That's exactly it.

00:16:16.480 It's not just

00:16:17.120 that he failed

00:16:17.620 to score on the goal.

00:16:18.640 It's like he went

00:16:20.320 onto the ice

00:16:20.940 with the blades

00:16:21.480 broken off of his skate

00:16:22.500 already.

00:16:23.840 I mean,

00:16:24.160 he couldn't get

00:16:24.840 any traction

00:16:25.680 whatsoever

00:16:26.500 with anyone

00:16:27.880 across this country,

00:16:29.660 least of all

00:16:31.000 at Regina,

00:16:32.260 his hometown,

00:16:33.460 that's where he's

00:16:34.760 elected as an MP.

00:16:36.020 That's where people

00:16:36.460 actually scratch his name

00:16:37.680 on the ballot.

00:16:38.960 People still

00:16:39.720 couldn't recognize him.

00:16:40.860 It just goes to talk

00:16:42.880 about his failure,

00:16:44.320 his entire leadership tenure

00:16:46.440 and it makes me question

00:16:47.620 why the conservatives

00:16:49.100 are so comfortable

00:16:50.020 keeping basically

00:16:51.660 no-name conservative

00:16:53.060 on his leader

00:16:54.180 for however many months,

00:16:56.380 perhaps even over a year

00:16:57.660 while they try

00:16:58.280 and find a new one.

00:16:59.500 Would it not be

00:17:00.440 maybe a little bit better

00:17:02.360 to replace him

00:17:03.640 with someone in caucus

00:17:04.660 who can be effective

00:17:06.780 and can actually

00:17:07.900 start moving on

00:17:10.680 from this failed past,

00:17:12.680 this blip

00:17:13.480 in the conservative

00:17:14.220 party

00:17:15.740 where nobody

00:17:17.020 could figure out

00:17:17.920 what was going on,

00:17:19.000 no one could figure out

00:17:19.860 what the direction

00:17:20.500 of the party was,

00:17:21.560 what the platform

00:17:22.320 of the party was even.

00:17:23.880 I mean,

00:17:24.260 think about it yourself.

00:17:25.640 In the election,

00:17:26.460 what was the actual platform

00:17:28.480 that the conservatives

00:17:29.220 were running on?

00:17:31.020 Nobody can really tell me,

00:17:33.140 least of all people

00:17:35.540 who aren't really engaged

00:17:36.660 in politics.

00:17:37.200 They can tell you

00:17:37.840 what Justin Trudeau ran on.

00:17:39.320 They'll tell you

00:17:39.960 that Justin Trudeau ran on,

00:17:41.460 oh, he's going to cut

00:17:42.260 my cell phone bill

00:17:43.160 down by some amount

00:17:45.440 with 25%, 50%.

00:17:46.800 I forget what he promised.

00:17:48.620 But Justin Trudeau

00:17:49.520 had promises.

00:17:50.340 Justin Trudeau

00:17:50.880 resonated with people

00:17:51.860 and that's why

00:17:52.440 he's prime minister right now.

00:17:54.460 Indeed.

00:17:55.100 And you know,

00:17:55.940 Kian,

00:17:56.280 in light of last week's

00:17:57.900 announcement

00:17:58.340 where Mr. Scheer

00:17:59.220 was saying

00:17:59.540 he was going to step down,

00:18:00.460 I don't know about you,

00:18:02.100 but with the conservatives

00:18:03.720 I know,

00:18:04.900 certainly there was

00:18:06.240 no outpouring of grief

00:18:09.120 like,

00:18:09.560 oh, please don't go.

00:18:11.200 No, no.

00:18:11.940 Like you're watching

00:18:12.900 your cat being run over

00:18:14.040 by a tractor.

00:18:15.620 It was quite the opposite.

00:18:17.100 But I want to get on

00:18:18.200 the other part

00:18:18.820 of your commentary,

00:18:20.380 which was very interesting,

00:18:21.940 which was you have

00:18:23.620 this suspicion

00:18:24.320 and some others share it

00:18:25.960 that maybe Andrew Scheer

00:18:29.120 is really not going.

00:18:30.660 Maybe he's pulling

00:18:31.560 a Pierre Elliott Trudeau

00:18:33.000 circa 1980

00:18:33.980 where he's going to have

00:18:36.040 a comeback

00:18:37.040 and still be leader

00:18:38.020 of the party.

00:18:38.540 Personally,

00:18:39.280 I think the kindest thing

00:18:40.440 I can say about Andrew Scheer

00:18:42.200 is I don't think

00:18:43.220 he's that devious,

00:18:44.680 but what do you make

00:18:46.140 of the comparisons

00:18:47.740 to Pierre Trudeau

00:18:49.620 in 1980?

00:18:51.640 Well,

00:18:52.040 his staff are smart.

00:18:52.900 His staff want to be

00:18:54.140 in the PMO one day

00:18:55.180 and his staff

00:18:56.620 will know exactly

00:18:57.740 what Pierre Trudeau did

00:18:58.900 when he orchestrated

00:19:00.380 that vote of non-confidence

00:19:01.700 of Joe Clark's government

00:19:02.920 so early.

00:19:04.840 Andrew Scheer's hand

00:19:05.900 is a little bit

00:19:06.660 restricted right now

00:19:07.680 because when it was

00:19:09.920 Pierre Trudeau,

00:19:11.100 he was bartering with

00:19:12.740 two parties

00:19:15.360 who were possibly

00:19:17.500 going to support

00:19:18.560 Justin Trudeau's budget.

00:19:20.740 Andrew Scheer

00:19:21.280 pretty much

00:19:22.280 is in a position

00:19:22.900 as a conservative

00:19:23.600 party leader

00:19:24.740 that any budget

00:19:25.820 he has to vote against.

00:19:27.400 and the NDP

00:19:29.100 maybe they'll support it.

00:19:30.660 The Bloc Quebecois

00:19:31.380 maybe they'll support it,

00:19:32.600 but the NDP

00:19:33.920 and Bloc

00:19:34.480 aren't assuredly

00:19:35.520 no votes

00:19:36.100 on the budget.

00:19:37.060 Andrew Scheer

00:19:37.480 should be

00:19:38.180 pretty much

00:19:38.660 all the time

00:19:39.260 assuredly no vote.

00:19:40.880 But that's

00:19:41.760 this is what

00:19:42.680 Pierre Trudeau did.

00:19:44.020 He orchestrated

00:19:44.500 this vote

00:19:44.840 in non-confidence

00:19:45.460 and then

00:19:46.240 even after

00:19:47.940 he announced

00:19:48.520 his resignation

00:19:49.100 as leader

00:19:49.640 he orchestrated

00:19:50.560 this vote

00:19:50.960 and then

00:19:51.380 he ran the election

00:19:52.260 but his party

00:19:53.760 sort of

00:19:54.140 kept him

00:19:54.620 in the background.

00:19:55.400 His party

00:19:55.740 didn't put

00:19:56.240 Pierre Trudeau

00:19:57.120 running for

00:19:57.600 prime minister

00:19:58.100 on the masthead

00:19:58.860 of all of the

00:19:59.580 party posters

00:20:00.260 and on the

00:20:01.460 lawn signs

00:20:02.020 they just

00:20:03.020 pretended like

00:20:03.580 he didn't exist

00:20:04.320 but

00:20:04.760 that was

00:20:05.500 really effective

00:20:06.260 against

00:20:06.880 an ineffective

00:20:07.640 leader

00:20:08.040 and that

00:20:08.340 ineffective

00:20:08.760 leader

00:20:09.080 is Joe Clark

00:20:09.740 and that

00:20:10.380 ineffective

00:20:10.760 leader

00:20:11.080 also could

00:20:11.700 be

00:20:12.260 Justin Trudeau

00:20:13.580 so when

00:20:14.540 he got

00:20:15.860 elected

00:20:16.500 and this

00:20:17.260 could be

00:20:17.900 easily

00:20:18.580 something

00:20:18.980 that Andrew

00:20:19.580 Scheer's

00:20:19.880 staff

00:20:20.080 are looking

00:20:20.460 at

00:20:20.760 as a

00:20:21.740 possibility

00:20:22.240 at least.

00:20:23.400 But surely

00:20:23.980 Kian the

00:20:24.760 chances of

00:20:25.400 success

00:20:25.980 in such

00:20:26.840 a scenario

00:20:27.320 I mean

00:20:28.000 given

00:20:28.640 what the

00:20:29.680 Justin Trudeau

00:20:30.400 liberals

00:20:30.920 were

00:20:32.740 responsible

00:20:33.420 for

00:20:33.920 in the

00:20:34.800 last

00:20:35.060 several

00:20:35.360 months

00:20:35.640 and I'm

00:20:35.880 talking

00:20:36.280 blackface

00:20:37.440 the

00:20:37.920 SNC

00:20:38.600 Lavalin

00:20:39.060 affair

00:20:39.380 the

00:20:39.600 disastrous

00:20:40.240 India

00:20:40.800 trip

00:20:41.240 Gropegate

00:20:42.640 his

00:20:43.580 treatment

00:20:43.980 of

00:20:44.300 some

00:20:44.540 female

00:20:45.020 MPs

00:20:46.080 I mean

00:20:47.180 it was

00:20:48.420 like a

00:20:49.060 silver

00:20:49.460 platter

00:20:50.160 of

00:20:51.040 negatives

00:20:52.220 that were

00:20:53.060 handed

00:20:53.500 to the

00:20:54.600 Andrew

00:20:55.000 Scheer

00:20:55.260 conservatives

00:20:55.860 and they

00:20:56.580 couldn't

00:20:56.800 close the

00:20:57.340 deal

00:20:57.580 moving

00:20:58.760 who knows

00:20:59.380 when the

00:20:59.640 next election

00:21:00.140 is going

00:21:00.380 to be

00:21:00.580 called

00:21:00.880 but moving

00:21:01.780 forward

00:21:02.160 I don't

00:21:02.740 see that

00:21:03.260 kind of

00:21:03.720 opportunity

00:21:04.260 existing

00:21:05.080 as what

00:21:05.980 Mr.

00:21:06.340 Scheer had

00:21:07.040 on his

00:21:07.700 plate

00:21:08.060 in late

00:21:08.760 October

00:21:09.260 don't get

00:21:10.860 me wrong

00:21:11.220 I'm not

00:21:11.520 saying that

00:21:11.900 this would

00:21:12.240 be a

00:21:12.540 successful

00:21:13.060 bid

00:21:13.480 this is

00:21:14.920 more

00:21:15.160 a warning

00:21:16.580 to people

00:21:17.180 that

00:21:17.960 Andrew

00:21:18.420 Scheer

00:21:18.680 might be

00:21:19.320 trying to

00:21:20.020 take another

00:21:20.740 stab at

00:21:21.440 it

00:21:21.620 just as

00:21:22.580 unsuccessfully

00:21:23.580 as the

00:21:24.060 first one

00:21:24.540 was

00:21:24.820 because

00:21:25.240 there's

00:21:25.860 something

00:21:26.160 in him

00:21:26.760 that makes

00:21:27.800 him believe

00:21:28.440 like his

00:21:28.960 campaign

00:21:29.440 did nothing

00:21:30.040 wrong

00:21:30.460 there's

00:21:31.040 something

00:21:31.260 in him

00:21:31.720 that believes

00:21:32.400 that treating

00:21:33.080 conservatives

00:21:34.300 so contemptuously

00:21:35.660 like he did

00:21:36.980 with you

00:21:37.440 David

00:21:38.140 outside of

00:21:38.760 his campaign

00:21:39.300 stop

00:21:39.660 Andrew

00:21:40.680 Scheer

00:21:40.920 was

00:21:41.120 he wasn't

00:21:42.420 governing

00:21:42.800 he was

00:21:43.120 leading the

00:21:43.700 party

00:21:44.080 for centrists

00:21:45.300 and you

00:21:46.620 know what

00:21:46.900 it was

00:21:47.140 Pierre

00:21:47.440 Pollyev

00:21:48.000 who said

00:21:48.440 this to

00:21:48.880 me

00:21:49.080 when I

00:21:49.380 was a

00:21:49.620 conservative

00:21:50.040 intern

00:21:50.480 back in

00:21:51.240 2014

00:21:51.980 he told

00:21:53.200 the entire

00:21:53.680 intern class

00:21:54.520 you know

00:21:56.440 voters will

00:21:57.760 never

00:21:58.080 respect someone

00:21:59.420 who runs

00:22:00.720 a party

00:22:01.260 as liberal

00:22:02.220 light

00:22:02.580 they will

00:22:03.680 just vote

00:22:04.080 for the

00:22:04.340 real thing

00:22:04.740 they'll vote

00:22:05.080 for the

00:22:05.340 real liberals

00:22:05.960 and you

00:22:06.860 and your

00:22:07.560 party

00:22:07.860 will be

00:22:08.200 decimated

00:22:08.720 and that

00:22:09.200 was about

00:22:10.060 seven years

00:22:11.380 ahead of

00:22:11.740 its time

00:22:12.340 when he

00:22:13.100 predicted

00:22:13.460 that Andrew

00:22:14.400 Scheer was

00:22:14.760 going to

00:22:15.000 catastrophically

00:22:15.900 lose

00:22:16.560 because he

00:22:18.140 was running

00:22:18.900 for the

00:22:19.320 center

00:22:19.540 rather than

00:22:20.180 running

00:22:20.480 as a

00:22:21.520 defined

00:22:21.900 alternative

00:22:22.460 to

00:22:22.940 Justin

00:22:23.300 Schroes

00:22:23.560 government

00:22:23.980 from the

00:22:24.700 right

00:22:24.880 for the

00:22:25.240 right

00:22:25.500 to do

00:22:26.520 the right

00:22:26.840 things

00:22:27.180 oh I

00:22:28.040 completely

00:22:28.540 agree with

00:22:29.040 you

00:22:29.160 Kian

00:22:29.400 I mean

00:22:30.080 his

00:22:30.500 stance

00:22:31.060 towards

00:22:31.500 the

00:22:31.700 rebel

00:22:32.000 I mean

00:22:32.340 we've

00:22:32.580 got almost

00:22:33.120 1.3

00:22:33.900 million

00:22:34.360 YouTube

00:22:34.780 subscribers

00:22:35.540 who are

00:22:36.320 presumably

00:22:37.180 most of

00:22:38.140 whom

00:22:38.360 are

00:22:38.760 red

00:22:39.160 meat

00:22:39.360 conservatives

00:22:39.980 didn't

00:22:41.160 want to

00:22:41.540 deal

00:22:41.800 with us

00:22:42.120 wanted to

00:22:42.560 go to

00:22:42.780 the

00:22:42.900 mean

00:22:43.120 girls

00:22:43.440 of the

00:22:43.720 media

00:22:43.940 party

00:22:44.260 then

00:22:44.800 that

00:22:45.040 story

00:22:45.380 came out

00:22:45.960 in the

00:22:46.580 final days

00:22:47.680 of the

00:22:47.880 election

00:22:48.220 where he

00:22:48.580 had

00:22:48.740 hired

00:22:49.500 Warren

00:22:50.160 Kinsella

00:22:50.720 the

00:22:50.940 liberal

00:22:51.280 the

00:22:51.580 master

00:22:52.400 of

00:22:52.700 smear

00:22:53.560 and

00:22:53.780 fear

00:22:54.100 to

00:22:55.320 dig

00:22:55.880 up

00:22:56.080 stuff

00:22:56.500 on

00:22:57.140 the

00:22:58.540 People's

00:22:58.940 Party

00:22:59.200 of

00:22:59.400 Canada

00:22:59.820 it

00:23:01.740 just

00:23:03.380 rubbed

00:23:04.260 so

00:23:04.640 many

00:23:04.960 people

00:23:05.620 on

00:23:06.620 the

00:23:06.780 right

00:23:06.960 the

00:23:07.100 wrong

00:23:07.280 way

00:23:07.460 and

00:23:07.580 also

00:23:07.920 I

00:23:08.380 should

00:23:08.600 say

00:23:08.940 Kian

00:23:09.480 they're

00:23:09.660 saying

00:23:09.900 it's

00:23:10.100 not

00:23:10.260 related

00:23:10.620 to

00:23:10.880 his

00:23:11.020 announcement

00:23:11.380 but

00:23:11.700 the

00:23:12.140 story

00:23:12.360 came out

00:23:12.800 where

00:23:13.040 party

00:23:13.560 funds

00:23:13.920 were

00:23:14.280 being

00:23:14.760 used

00:23:15.220 to

00:23:15.680 fund

00:23:16.080 his

00:23:16.420 kids

00:23:16.980 private

00:23:17.480 school

00:23:17.880 education

00:23:18.500 and

00:23:18.700 this

00:23:19.060 kind

00:23:19.260 of

00:23:19.360 stuff

00:23:19.640 does

00:23:20.160 happen

00:23:20.580 in

00:23:20.760 politics

00:23:21.100 but

00:23:21.380 Mr.

00:23:22.280 Scheer

00:23:22.560 was

00:23:22.720 trying

00:23:22.940 to

00:23:23.080 portray

00:23:23.340 himself

00:23:23.800 as

00:23:24.140 the

00:23:24.420 common

00:23:25.160 everyday

00:23:25.860 man

00:23:26.280 the

00:23:26.540 common

00:23:26.900 man

00:23:27.220 driving

00:23:27.540 the

00:23:27.740 common

00:23:28.040 van

00:23:28.360 the

00:23:28.540 guy

00:23:28.740 you

00:23:28.880 see

00:23:29.020 down

00:23:34.960 why

00:23:36.100 is

00:23:36.400 the

00:23:36.580 party

00:23:36.860 paying

00:23:37.460 for

00:23:38.060 his

00:23:38.260 children

00:23:38.660 to

00:23:38.900 go

00:23:39.040 to

00:23:39.220 a

00:23:39.560 private

00:23:40.100 education

00:23:40.720 facility

00:23:42.580 I

00:23:43.200 think

00:23:43.500 that

00:23:43.800 hurt

00:23:44.060 him

00:23:44.220 too

00:23:44.400 and

00:23:44.540 smeared

00:23:45.840 his

00:23:46.080 image

00:23:46.400 yeah

00:23:47.740 I

00:23:47.860 think

00:23:48.020 that

00:23:48.200 did

00:23:48.380 as

00:23:48.560 well

00:23:48.760 and

00:23:48.980 we

00:23:49.240 don't

00:23:49.420 exactly

00:23:49.840 know

00:23:50.120 what

00:23:50.320 the

00:23:50.480 outcome

00:23:50.800 of

00:23:51.140 those

00:23:51.520 deliberations

00:23:52.300 were

00:23:52.500 that

00:23:52.600 were

00:23:52.720 happening

00:23:52.980 on

00:23:53.180 Wednesday

00:23:53.620 with

00:23:53.920 the

00:23:54.100 party

00:23:54.380 national

00:23:55.880 council

00:23:56.280 they're

00:23:56.560 kind

00:23:56.780 of

00:23:56.940 sorting

00:23:57.520 through

00:23:57.740 papers

00:23:58.100 trying

00:23:58.320 to

00:23:58.440 figure

00:23:58.600 out

00:23:58.820 how

00:23:59.180 on

00:23:59.420 earth

00:23:59.640 could

00:23:59.820 Andrew

00:24:00.120 Scheer

00:24:00.380 have

00:24:00.580 spent

00:24:01.020 more

00:24:01.840 than

00:24:02.220 well

00:24:03.380 he

00:24:03.540 spent

00:24:03.780 $900,000

00:24:04.700 that's

00:24:05.140 $700,000

00:24:05.980 more

00:24:06.420 than

00:24:06.720 the

00:24:06.900 typical

00:24:07.220 leader

00:24:07.620 over

00:24:08.520 the

00:24:08.720 year

00:24:08.980 would

00:24:09.160 spend

00:24:09.520 Ron

00:24:09.940 Ambrose

00:24:10.460 Stephen

00:24:11.380 Harper

00:24:11.680 all

00:24:11.940 them

00:24:12.160 they're

00:24:12.600 spending

00:24:12.840 about

00:24:13.080 $200,000

00:24:14.040 a year

00:24:14.680 to

00:24:14.920 operate

00:24:15.660 and

00:24:16.560 that's

00:24:17.160 you know

00:24:17.560 makeup

00:24:18.280 wardrobe

00:24:19.320 flights

00:24:20.240 speech

00:24:21.100 writers

00:24:21.420 media

00:24:21.800 training

00:24:22.180 that

00:24:22.400 kind

00:24:22.580 of

00:24:22.680 thing

00:24:22.860 actually

00:24:23.220 speech

00:24:23.500 writers

00:24:23.700 are

00:24:23.840 probably

00:24:24.060 separate

00:24:24.440 media

00:24:25.000 training

00:24:25.320 is

00:24:25.440 definitely

00:24:25.700 in

00:24:25.900 there

00:24:26.040 and

00:24:26.500 somehow

00:24:26.820 Andrew

00:24:27.600 Scheer

00:24:28.020 spent

00:24:28.520 4.5

00:24:29.960 times

00:24:30.580 450%

00:24:31.840 more

00:24:32.400 than

00:24:32.960 the

00:24:33.120 average

00:24:33.400 leader

00:24:33.740 and

00:24:33.900 that's

00:24:34.220 not

00:24:34.480 I

00:24:34.820 mean

00:24:34.980 if

00:24:35.640 you

00:24:36.020 how

00:24:36.700 you

00:24:37.220 campaign

00:24:37.580 is

00:24:38.120 how

00:24:38.320 you

00:24:38.500 govern

00:24:38.860 that's

00:24:39.420 one

00:24:39.560 of

00:24:39.700 Morton

00:24:39.980 Blackwell's

00:24:40.640 rules

00:24:40.820 for

00:24:41.020 public

00:24:41.280 policy

00:24:41.740 how

00:24:42.440 you

00:24:42.600 campaign

00:24:42.860 is

00:24:43.000 how

00:24:43.140 you

00:24:43.280 govern

00:24:43.580 and

00:24:43.840 if

00:24:44.020 you

00:24:44.380 are

00:24:45.020 spending

00:24:45.700 more

00:24:46.200 than

00:24:46.560 you

00:24:46.780 can

00:24:47.060 even

00:24:47.960 afford

00:24:48.460 before

00:24:49.520 you're

00:24:49.780 even

00:24:49.940 campaigning

00:24:50.460 keep

00:24:50.720 in

00:24:50.840 mind

00:24:50.960 this

00:24:51.140 was

00:24:51.320 money

00:24:51.860 spent

00:24:52.080 before

00:24:52.360 the

00:24:52.540 election

00:24:52.840 this

00:24:53.080 wasn't

00:24:53.300 even

00:24:53.480 writ

00:24:53.720 money

00:24:53.980 this

00:24:54.540 was

00:24:54.680 before

00:24:54.960 the

00:24:55.140 election

00:25:00.580 and

00:25:01.180 contrary

00:25:01.960 to

00:25:02.220 the

00:25:02.340 image

00:25:02.600 he

00:25:02.700 was

00:25:02.800 trying

00:25:03.020 to

00:25:03.160 convey

00:25:03.400 and

00:25:03.500 I

00:25:03.600 have

00:25:03.740 to

00:25:03.840 ask

00:25:04.040 you

00:25:04.180 this

00:25:04.840 is

00:25:05.000 a

00:25:05.140 completely

00:25:05.540 hypothetical

00:25:06.080 question

00:25:06.740 but

00:25:07.020 I

00:25:07.560 think

00:25:07.740 it

00:25:07.880 needs

00:25:08.200 to

00:25:08.320 be

00:25:08.440 asked

00:25:08.680 when

00:25:09.120 Mr.

00:25:09.500 Scheer

00:25:09.680 of

00:25:09.860 course

00:25:10.100 won

00:25:10.980 the

00:25:11.520 nomination

00:25:12.360 to become

00:25:12.800 leader

00:25:13.040 of the

00:25:13.280 Conservative

00:25:13.600 Party

00:25:13.960 it

00:25:14.580 was

00:25:14.700 on

00:25:14.860 the

00:25:14.980 13th

00:25:15.540 ballot

00:25:15.800 it

00:25:16.080 was

00:25:16.200 by

00:25:16.360 less

00:25:16.640 than

00:25:16.820 2%

00:25:17.560 it

00:25:19.400 was

00:25:19.560 often

00:25:19.860 said

00:25:20.260 that

00:25:20.660 he

00:25:20.900 was

00:25:21.120 nobody's

00:25:21.740 first

00:25:22.000 choice

00:25:22.360 but

00:25:22.540 he

00:25:22.620 was

00:25:22.760 everybody's

00:25:23.320 second

00:25:23.560 and

00:25:23.780 third

00:25:24.020 choice

00:25:24.400 he

00:25:25.840 edged

00:25:26.320 out

00:25:26.700 Mr.

00:25:27.300 Bernier

00:25:27.560 by

00:25:28.040 the

00:25:28.700 thinnest

00:25:30.060 of

00:25:30.260 margins

00:25:30.680 had

00:25:31.420 Mr.

00:25:31.900 Bernier

00:25:32.240 prevailed

00:25:32.920 do you

00:25:33.540 think

00:25:33.980 things

00:25:35.160 would have

00:25:35.420 turned out

00:25:35.780 differently

00:25:36.160 on

00:25:36.400 October

00:25:36.680 21st

00:25:38.280 I

00:25:39.180 without

00:25:40.360 a doubt

00:25:40.840 know

00:25:41.440 that they

00:25:41.820 would have

00:25:42.040 turned out

00:25:42.420 differently

00:25:42.900 how much

00:25:43.440 better

00:25:43.760 that would

00:25:44.980 have been

00:25:45.240 I don't

00:25:45.600 know

00:25:45.940 I think

00:25:46.540 that if

00:25:47.080 Maxime

00:25:47.480 Bernier

00:25:47.760 stayed

00:25:48.240 with the

00:25:48.600 CBC

00:25:48.980 he wouldn't

00:25:50.500 have been

00:25:50.780 seen as

00:25:51.460 so much

00:25:51.860 more

00:25:52.060 radical

00:25:52.460 he

00:25:53.980 certainly

00:25:54.400 wouldn't

00:25:54.640 have had

00:25:54.880 the same

00:25:55.580 gotcha

00:25:56.960 moments

00:25:57.380 that Andrew

00:25:57.880 Scheer

00:25:58.220 had

00:25:58.800 that

00:25:59.300 took him

00:26:00.040 down

00:26:00.360 in the

00:26:00.760 mainstream

00:26:01.020 media

00:26:01.360 I don't

00:26:02.140 think

00:26:02.360 Maxime

00:26:02.840 Bernier

00:26:03.080 was ever

00:26:03.680 running

00:26:05.200 around

00:26:05.600 talking

00:26:06.100 about

00:26:06.460 how

00:26:06.840 gay

00:26:08.140 people

00:26:08.440 are

00:26:08.640 dogs

00:26:09.160 and

00:26:09.480 that

00:26:09.860 kind

00:26:10.060 of

00:26:10.160 thing

00:26:10.360 which

00:26:11.020 keep

00:26:11.280 in

00:26:11.380 mind

00:26:11.520 is

00:26:11.620 something

00:26:11.780 that

00:26:11.940 Andrew

00:26:12.180 Scheer

00:26:12.380 said

00:26:12.720 for

00:26:13.520 better

00:26:13.720 or

00:26:13.860 for

00:26:13.980 worse

00:26:14.300 that's

00:26:14.640 something

00:26:14.820 that

00:26:15.000 the

00:26:15.140 mainstream

00:26:15.400 media

00:26:15.700 didn't

00:26:16.060 find

00:26:16.300 acceptable

00:26:16.800 and

00:26:17.840 that's

00:26:18.060 something

00:26:18.280 that

00:26:18.620 they

00:26:19.020 were

00:26:19.180 able

00:26:19.340 to

00:26:19.580 translate

00:26:20.060 into

00:26:21.060 his

00:26:22.480 inelectability

00:26:23.340 with the

00:26:23.740 masses

00:26:24.040 so

00:26:24.420 I think

00:26:24.860 Maxime

00:26:25.220 Bernier

00:26:25.460 would have

00:26:25.720 been

00:26:25.840 better

00:26:26.040 on that

00:26:26.420 but

00:26:26.940 they

00:26:27.320 probably

00:26:27.940 would have

00:26:28.280 grilled him

00:26:28.780 in the

00:26:29.120 same way

00:26:29.580 with his

00:26:30.180 support

00:26:31.180 for reducing

00:26:31.820 immigration

00:26:32.380 unashamedly

00:26:33.220 I mean

00:26:34.420 that's

00:26:34.940 that's

00:26:35.600 one of

00:26:36.000 the

00:26:36.260 no-go

00:26:37.160 points

00:26:37.500 for the

00:26:37.760 mainstream

00:26:37.980 media

00:26:38.260 as well

00:26:38.560 so

00:26:38.860 who knows

00:26:40.380 and

00:26:41.580 Kian

00:26:41.900 excellent

00:26:42.320 question

00:26:42.780 assuming

00:26:44.840 Mr.

00:26:45.340 Scheer

00:26:45.580 is indeed

00:26:46.340 going to

00:26:47.220 step down

00:26:48.260 as leader

00:26:49.060 and not

00:26:50.160 have a

00:26:50.780 walk in

00:26:51.640 the snow

00:26:51.980 moment

00:26:52.460 and come

00:26:52.880 back

00:26:53.180 is there

00:26:55.160 anybody

00:26:55.620 on your

00:26:56.700 radar

00:26:57.040 that you

00:26:58.000 would

00:26:58.200 personally

00:26:58.580 like to

00:26:58.960 see

00:26:59.220 as the

00:26:59.780 leader

00:27:00.000 of the

00:27:00.320 Conservative

00:27:00.700 Party

00:27:01.080 I like

00:27:03.500 Pierre

00:27:04.260 Polyev

00:27:04.820 I think

00:27:05.560 that he

00:27:06.100 I mean

00:27:06.540 what he

00:27:06.780 said

00:27:06.940 really

00:27:07.180 resonated

00:27:07.640 with me

00:27:08.080 you gotta

00:27:08.320 lead a

00:27:09.400 Conservative

00:27:09.800 Party

00:27:10.100 as a

00:27:10.380 Conservative

00:27:10.760 he's

00:27:12.560 treated me

00:27:12.980 well

00:27:13.200 in the

00:27:13.620 past

00:27:14.000 which

00:27:15.080 is more

00:27:15.540 than I

00:27:15.780 can say

00:27:16.100 for

00:27:16.360 most

00:27:17.700 political

00:27:18.140 leaders

00:27:18.600 especially

00:27:20.320 when they're

00:27:20.660 Conservatives

00:27:21.140 they try

00:27:21.560 and duck

00:27:22.200 and cover

00:27:22.620 when

00:27:22.980 Rebel

00:27:23.540 comes

00:27:23.800 along

00:27:24.180 people

00:27:25.840 are

00:27:26.080 saying

00:27:27.300 Rona

00:27:27.600 Ambrose

00:27:27.980 would be

00:27:28.260 great

00:27:28.560 but I

00:27:29.100 have to

00:27:29.860 say

00:27:30.160 people

00:27:30.780 think

00:27:31.080 Rona

00:27:31.340 Ambrose

00:27:31.780 is good

00:27:32.340 because

00:27:33.020 she was

00:27:33.540 interim

00:27:33.880 leader

00:27:34.100 and she

00:27:34.420 didn't

00:27:34.640 do

00:27:34.840 anything

00:27:35.200 wrong

00:27:36.940 so she

00:27:37.640 has this

00:27:38.020 warm

00:27:38.360 glow

00:27:38.660 of

00:27:38.840 nostalgia

00:27:39.380 around

00:27:39.860 her

00:27:40.060 she's

00:27:40.680 a bit

00:27:40.880 of a

00:27:41.120 red

00:27:42.100 Tory

00:27:42.420 she's

00:27:44.080 a woman

00:27:44.420 so she

00:27:44.820 would do

00:27:45.120 better

00:27:45.500 optically

00:27:46.740 maybe

00:27:47.120 but

00:27:47.860 that's

00:27:48.740 not

00:27:48.920 what

00:27:49.420 Conservatives

00:27:50.060 should be

00:27:50.380 concerned

00:27:50.720 about

00:27:50.880 they

00:27:51.040 shouldn't

00:27:51.220 be

00:27:51.340 concerned

00:27:51.640 about

00:27:51.820 how

00:27:51.940 the

00:27:52.060 mainstream

00:27:52.300 media

00:27:52.540 is

00:27:52.640 going

00:27:52.740 to

00:27:52.800 receive

00:27:53.080 them

00:27:53.340 Rona

00:27:56.140 Ambrose

00:27:56.560 she

00:27:57.840 didn't

00:27:58.780 have

00:27:58.940 the

00:27:59.100 opportunity

00:27:59.560 to do

00:28:00.040 anything

00:28:00.240 wrong

00:28:00.480 because

00:28:00.700 she

00:28:00.880 did

00:28:01.000 her

00:28:01.760 job

00:28:02.040 as

00:28:02.180 interim

00:28:02.460 leader

00:28:02.660 well

00:28:02.980 and that

00:28:03.640 is

00:28:03.880 to

00:28:04.060 not

00:28:04.320 really

00:28:04.780 make

00:28:05.040 a

00:28:05.180 fuss

00:28:05.380 that's

00:28:05.540 not

00:28:05.720 really

00:28:06.040 to

00:28:06.420 do

00:28:07.400 anything

00:28:07.780 substantial

00:28:08.340 but

00:28:09.020 people

00:28:09.260 think

00:28:09.520 that

00:28:09.760 would

00:28:10.920 translate

00:28:11.360 into

00:28:11.700 a

00:28:11.920 successful

00:28:12.460 permanent

00:28:13.820 leadership

00:28:14.360 I don't

00:28:15.140 know

00:28:15.300 maybe

00:28:15.540 she

00:28:15.740 would

00:28:15.840 be

00:28:15.940 a

00:28:16.040 good

00:28:16.140 leader

00:28:16.360 but

00:28:16.540 I

00:28:16.660 don't

00:28:16.820 think

00:28:17.040 that

00:28:17.340 her

00:28:17.800 being

00:28:18.020 a

00:28:18.220 good

00:28:18.380 interim

00:28:18.800 leader

00:28:19.080 is

00:28:19.400 what

00:28:19.580 qualifies

00:28:20.080 someone

00:28:20.360 as

00:28:21.020 a

00:28:21.140 good

00:28:21.360 long

00:28:21.840 term

00:28:22.040 leader

00:28:22.300 well

00:28:23.440 we

00:28:23.680 shall

00:28:23.920 see

00:28:24.200 time

00:28:24.540 will

00:28:24.700 tell

00:28:24.940 as

00:28:25.120 the

00:28:25.240 cliche

00:28:25.520 goes

00:28:25.920 and

00:28:26.120 one

00:28:26.300 thing

00:28:26.480 is

00:28:26.620 for

00:28:26.780 certain

00:28:27.060 the

00:28:27.360 convention

00:28:28.020 in

00:28:28.360 Toronto

00:28:28.680 in April

00:28:29.180 should be

00:28:30.340 an exciting

00:28:31.200 affair

00:28:31.560 indeed

00:28:32.340 Kian thank

00:28:33.480 you so

00:28:33.880 much

00:28:34.140 and I

00:28:34.480 wish you

00:28:35.400 and yours

00:28:35.820 a very

00:28:36.360 Merry

00:28:36.560 Christmas

00:28:36.940 and all

00:28:37.280 the best

00:28:37.620 in 2020

00:28:38.180 my friend

00:28:38.760 Merry

00:28:39.700 Christmas

00:28:40.000 David

00:28:40.280 thank you

00:28:41.060 and that

00:28:41.980 was

00:28:42.280 Kian Bexty

00:28:43.240 in Calgary

00:28:44.240 keep it

00:28:45.080 here folks

00:28:45.500 more of

00:28:45.860 Rebel Roundup

00:28:46.380 to come

00:28:46.740 right after

00:28:47.480 this

00:28:48.280 David

00:28:53.640 Menzies

00:28:53.980 for the

00:28:54.280 Rebel

00:28:54.500 News

00:28:54.880 here

00:28:55.300 outside

00:28:55.720 the

00:28:56.100 Eastminster

00:28:56.740 United

00:28:57.220 Church

00:28:57.660 in

00:28:58.400 Toronto

00:28:58.940 well

00:29:00.020 folks

00:29:00.480 sometimes

00:29:01.300 the question

00:29:01.980 arises

00:29:02.460 is

00:29:03.260 nothing

00:29:03.680 sacred

00:29:04.180 and I

00:29:05.120 think

00:29:05.240 the answer

00:29:05.700 to that

00:29:06.020 query

00:29:06.340 is

00:29:06.700 yeah

00:29:07.140 nothing

00:29:07.580 is

00:29:07.820 sacred

00:29:08.100 indeed

00:29:08.880 check out

00:29:09.840 the

00:29:10.280 nativity

00:29:10.800 scene

00:29:11.280 here

00:29:11.680 at

00:29:12.020 the

00:29:12.260 Eastminster

00:29:12.840 Church

00:29:13.380 instead

00:29:14.200 of the

00:29:14.620 traditional

00:29:15.180 baby

00:29:15.580 Jesus

00:29:16.000 in the

00:29:16.400 manger

00:29:16.740 this

00:29:17.980 scene

00:29:18.340 depicts

00:29:18.900 Jesus

00:29:19.500 as a

00:29:20.300 refugee

00:29:20.860 claimant

00:29:21.720 at a

00:29:22.400 detention

00:29:22.840 center

00:29:23.380 as you

00:29:24.120 can see

00:29:24.600 the

00:29:24.960 baby

00:29:25.520 is

00:29:26.420 behind

00:29:27.100 bars

00:29:28.140 and

00:29:29.200 it is

00:29:29.900 wrapped

00:29:30.120 in a

00:29:30.540 solar

00:29:31.140 blanket

00:29:31.620 which

00:29:32.520 is

00:29:32.900 supposedly

00:29:33.380 how

00:29:33.840 the

00:29:34.080 refugees

00:29:34.460 are

00:29:34.940 detained

00:29:35.540 in

00:29:36.340 U.S.

00:29:36.980 migration

00:29:38.100 centers

00:29:38.940 now

00:29:39.700 I

00:29:39.960 did

00:29:40.220 reach

00:29:40.520 out

00:29:40.940 to

00:29:41.300 the

00:29:41.460 people

00:29:41.840 behind

00:29:42.280 the

00:29:42.480 display

00:29:42.800 at

00:29:43.160 the

00:29:43.300 church

00:29:43.540 they

00:29:43.700 weren't

00:29:43.940 here

00:29:44.200 and

00:29:44.360 there

00:29:44.500 was

00:29:44.640 no

00:29:45.100 one

00:29:45.260 else

00:29:45.500 available

00:29:45.820 to

00:29:46.160 come

00:29:46.400 on

00:29:46.620 camera

00:29:47.480 but

00:29:48.300 apparently

00:29:48.900 the

00:29:49.300 whole

00:29:49.860 idea

00:29:50.380 of

00:29:51.260 this

00:29:51.660 makeshift

00:29:52.720 nativity

00:29:53.160 display

00:29:53.580 is to

00:29:54.180 raise

00:29:54.760 awareness

00:29:55.360 indeed

00:29:56.340 the

00:29:56.920 name

00:29:57.620 of

00:29:58.220 the

00:29:58.560 display

00:29:59.160 is

00:30:00.180 the

00:30:00.700 detained

00:30:01.300 Christ

00:30:02.000 and

00:30:02.940 there

00:30:03.320 is

00:30:03.620 some

00:30:03.880 copy

00:30:04.340 that

00:30:04.600 accompanies

00:30:05.180 the

00:30:05.360 display

00:30:05.780 it

00:30:06.580 says

00:30:06.940 in

00:30:07.140 recent

00:30:07.440 years

00:30:07.820 there

00:30:08.020 has

00:30:08.180 been

00:30:08.360 growing

00:30:08.860 awareness

00:30:09.380 of

00:30:09.640 the

00:30:09.760 ways

00:30:10.020 in

00:30:10.160 which

00:30:10.320 migrants

00:30:10.860 and

00:30:11.500 refugees

00:30:11.960 face

00:30:12.640 detainment

00:30:13.500 deportation

00:30:14.440 and

00:30:15.080 separation

00:30:15.640 from

00:30:15.940 their

00:30:16.140 families

00:30:16.680 the

00:30:17.460 actions

00:30:17.900 from

00:30:18.160 North

00:30:18.360 American

00:30:18.700 governments

00:30:19.180 has

00:30:19.420 led

00:30:19.640 to

00:30:19.840 increase

00:30:20.360 policing

00:30:20.960 and

00:30:21.720 incarceration

00:30:22.360 of

00:30:22.860 migrants

00:30:23.280 and

00:30:23.500 refugees

00:30:23.920 especially

00:30:25.180 those

00:30:25.800 who

00:30:26.040 are

00:30:26.240 racialized

00:30:27.120 at

00:30:27.940 the

00:30:28.100 US

00:30:28.360 Mexico

00:30:28.740 border

00:30:29.120 it

00:30:29.380 has

00:30:29.540 become

00:30:29.900 commonplace

00:30:30.640 to

00:30:30.820 see

00:30:31.020 children

00:30:31.440 separated

00:30:31.980 from

00:30:32.240 parents

00:30:32.700 and

00:30:33.380 for

00:30:33.580 refugee

00:30:34.000 claimants

00:30:34.660 to be

00:30:34.960 held

00:30:35.260 in

00:30:35.480 detention

00:30:36.000 centers

00:30:36.580 in

00:30:37.420 inhumane

00:30:38.360 conditions

00:30:39.280 as a

00:30:40.280 signatory

00:30:40.800 to the

00:30:41.320 safe

00:30:41.640 third

00:30:41.940 party

00:30:42.300 agreement

00:30:42.820 Canada

00:30:43.740 is

00:30:44.060 complicit

00:30:44.640 in

00:30:45.360 the

00:30:45.520 actions

00:30:45.980 of

00:30:46.560 the

00:30:46.740 United

00:30:47.060 States

00:30:47.600 yeah

00:30:48.180 nothing

00:30:48.700 quite conveys

00:30:49.680 the meaning

00:30:50.080 of Christmas

00:30:50.700 more so

00:30:51.360 than the

00:30:51.980 reimagining

00:30:52.920 of the

00:30:53.420 nativity

00:30:53.920 scene

00:30:54.440 to look

00:30:55.540 more like

00:30:56.120 something

00:30:56.500 lifted

00:30:56.900 from a

00:30:57.560 concentration

00:30:58.260 camp

00:30:58.880 in any

00:30:59.900 event

00:31:00.140 here's what

00:31:00.620 some of

00:31:01.060 you had

00:31:01.440 to say

00:31:01.760 about

00:31:02.080 this

00:31:02.360 bizarre

00:31:02.920 and

00:31:03.240 downright

00:31:03.880 disrespectful

00:31:04.600 display

00:31:05.300 courtesy

00:31:05.880 of the

00:31:06.780 United

00:31:07.080 Church

00:31:07.560 ironically

00:31:08.900 vague

00:31:09.360 writes

00:31:09.720 Jesus

00:31:10.460 Jesus

00:31:10.480 would

00:31:10.760 have

00:31:10.860 obeyed

00:31:11.240 the

00:31:11.380 law

00:31:11.620 wow

00:31:12.320 what

00:31:12.600 a

00:31:12.740 concept

00:31:13.140 imagine

00:31:13.560 that

00:31:13.800 folks

00:31:14.100 being

00:31:14.380 a

00:31:14.580 law

00:31:14.800 abiding

00:31:15.160 citizen

00:31:15.760 and yes

00:31:16.520 I

00:31:16.660 agree

00:31:16.960 I

00:31:17.320 think

00:31:17.480 Jesus

00:31:17.800 would

00:31:18.080 have

00:31:18.200 obeyed

00:31:18.520 the

00:31:18.640 law

00:31:18.820 but

00:31:19.040 many

00:31:19.720 of

00:31:19.920 the

00:31:20.080 irregulars

00:31:21.060 waltzing

00:31:21.580 into

00:31:21.820 Canada

00:31:22.200 via

00:31:22.560 Roxham

00:31:23.100 Road

00:31:23.400 simply

00:31:24.400 can't

00:31:24.840 be

00:31:24.980 bothered

00:31:25.300 to

00:31:25.540 fill

00:31:25.800 out

00:31:25.960 all

00:31:26.120 that

00:31:26.340 boring

00:31:26.800 paperwork

00:31:27.400 when

00:31:27.760 it

00:31:27.900 comes

00:31:28.160 to

00:31:28.380 immigrating

00:31:28.900 to

00:31:29.160 Canada

00:31:29.560 it

00:31:29.760 would

00:31:29.880 seem

00:31:30.120 Benny

00:31:31.260 Crout

00:31:31.700 writes

00:31:32.260 don't

00:31:33.240 you

00:31:33.380 love

00:31:33.760 it

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00:31:34.160 your

00:31:34.360 church

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00:31:35.020 forced

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00:31:35.780 political

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00:31:38.160 disguise

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00:31:39.180 as

00:31:39.800 a

00:31:39.980 legitimate

00:31:40.560 church

00:31:41.060 SMFH

00:31:42.980 yeah

00:31:43.940 but

00:31:44.180 Benny

00:31:44.580 the

00:31:45.080 really

00:31:45.340 sad

00:31:45.740 part

00:31:45.980 of

00:31:46.100 this

00:31:46.280 story

00:31:46.520 is

00:31:46.680 that

00:31:46.880 nobody

00:31:47.260 is

00:31:47.480 actually

00:31:47.780 forcing

00:31:48.280 them

00:31:48.580 this

00:31:49.520 is

00:31:49.720 a

00:31:49.940 self

00:31:50.500 inflicted

00:31:51.140 wound

00:31:51.460 and

00:31:52.080 me

00:31:52.300 myself

00:31:52.740 and

00:31:52.920 I

00:31:53.120 writes

00:31:53.560 real

00:31:54.640 edgy

00:31:55.280 now

00:31:55.740 draw

00:31:56.120 a

00:31:56.320 cartoon

00:31:56.740 of

00:31:56.940 Mohammed

00:31:57.380 you

00:31:57.760 cowards

00:31:58.340 oh

00:31:58.860 hold on

00:31:59.440 just a

00:31:59.780 second

00:32:00.040 there

00:32:00.260 me

00:32:00.440 myself

00:32:00.840 and

00:32:01.000 I

00:32:01.200 remember

00:32:01.980 how I

00:32:02.340 speculated

00:32:02.900 that

00:32:03.220 nothing

00:32:03.560 is

00:32:03.780 sacred

00:32:04.140 um

00:32:05.140 when it

00:32:05.740 comes to

00:32:06.200 depictions

00:32:06.680 of the

00:32:06.980 prophet

00:32:07.260 Mohammed

00:32:07.740 that is

00:32:09.100 still

00:32:09.440 sacred

00:32:10.040 because

00:32:10.920 even

00:32:11.240 drawing

00:32:11.620 Mohammed

00:32:12.080 in a

00:32:12.560 respectful

00:32:13.160 fashion

00:32:13.700 is

00:32:14.120 how

00:32:15.060 shall

00:32:15.240 I

00:32:15.360 put

00:32:15.520 this

00:32:15.840 well

00:32:16.460 it's

00:32:17.060 potentially

00:32:17.840 harmful

00:32:18.380 to

00:32:18.720 one's

00:32:19.060 well-being

00:32:19.520 well

00:32:20.600 that

00:32:20.820 wraps up

00:32:21.300 another

00:32:21.540 edition

00:32:21.900 of

00:32:22.080 Rebel

00:32:22.280 Rundup

00:32:22.720 in fact

00:32:23.120 the

00:32:23.300 last

00:32:23.500 Rebel

00:32:23.760 Rundup

00:32:24.180 of the

00:32:24.600 decade

00:32:25.020 no less

00:32:25.580 thanks

00:32:26.380 so much

00:32:26.700 for joining

00:32:27.100 us

00:32:27.360 see you

00:32:27.780 next

00:32:28.040 year

00:32:28.360 and

00:32:28.640 hey

00:32:28.880 folks

00:32:29.260 never

00:32:29.540 forget

00:32:30.040 without

00:32:30.820 risk

00:32:31.200 there

00:32:31.420 can

00:32:31.560 be

00:32:31.700 no

00:32:31.880 glory

00:32:32.240 good

00:32:32.840 night

Rebel News Podcast - December 21, 2019

Rebel Roundup： Keean Bexte & Sheila Gunn Reid

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