Rebel Roundup： Sheila Gunn Reid with Ezra Levant
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Wexit and Western Separation, the UN Climate Change Conference in Madrid, Ron McClain betraying his friend Don Cherry, and much, much more. All that and much more on this week's edition of Rebel Roundup.
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Hello Rebels, I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're listening to a free audio-only recording of
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David Menzies' Friday Night Show Rebel Roundup and tonight we're talking about a little bit of
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everything, Wexit and Western separation, the UN Climate Change Conference in Madrid and that snake
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in the grass, Ron McClain betraying his friend Don Cherry. Now if you like listening to the show
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and spend a dime. And now please enjoy this free audio only version of David's show. Welcome to Rebel
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Roundup ladies and gentlemen and the rest of you in which we take a look back on some of the very best
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commentaries of the last week from some of your very favorite rebels. I'm your host Sheila Gunn-Reed
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filling in for the intrepid David Menzies as he's enjoying a well-deserved break. Alberta is seething
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and for very good reason. The Trudeau liberals have obstructed the oil patch with the help of former
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Alberta Premier Rachel Notley. And now Western separation is real and it's growing. And Ezra Levant
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hosted back-to-back town halls in Edmonton and then in Calgary to discuss the issue. Then I have news.
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Kian and I are going on a mission to hold the federal government to account halfway across the
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world. Yes, we're going to Madrid to the United Nations Climate Change Conference in December. Then
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we've got your comments on Kian's video where he gave your support Don Cherry petition to that snake in
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the grass, Judas Ron McClain in Edmonton. Those are your rebels. Let's round them up.
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I want to tell you what the role is of Rebel News. I think it's a role that other media could be
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playing but they won't. And that is to be the house or the host of this conversation. There has to be a
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conversation going on about Alberta and the West's place in Canada because there's a lot of problems.
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We all know that. You can't deny that there's problems. There's very many problems.
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And yet to merely express that there is a problem and seek a solution, whatever that solution is, we don't even know
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what form it might eventually take. To merely question it, you're called all sorts of names.
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You're attacked personally. You're called a bigot, a racist. You're called a nationalist in a bad way.
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I don't even know how that word has turned into an epithet. Your personal history is doxxed and
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you're personally attacked in a manner that no other group with a legitimate, let alone an illegitimate
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grievous, has done to it. Quebec separatists, Quebec sovereignists, when they come forward,
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they're treated with the great respect, the greatest extra respect, extra care and handling.
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But someone expresses a discontent in the West and they're immediately attacked not just by political
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rivals, which is to be expected, but by the media that claims to be the way we as a nation talk things
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out. I've especially been disappointed in the last month to see how the CBC and the Toronto Star,
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but the CBC worse than any, have sneered at and attacked people.
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And the attacks are one thing. I mean, I think Westerners are sort of used to that.
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But the, you know, the saying fake friends and real enemies, that's the CBC for you.
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They're real enemies of the West. I mean, for example, for decades, they've allowed an anti-oil
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sands lobbyist. David Suzuki's foundation had half a dozen registered anti-oil sands lobbyists
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while he was given pride of placement on the CBC lineup for decades. How does that even work,
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that a registered lobbyist against the oil sands can be with the state broadcaster? Well,
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there's your giveaway. It's a state broadcaster. Real enemies for sure. But the fake friends that I see
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published in the CBC, oh dear Albertans, we deeply care about you and we feel for you.
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And can you guys just get with it and phase out the oil sands? All of their we love you
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op-eds seem to end that same way, don't they? By telling us that we're the problem.
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I think the role of Rebel News is to host the debate in a way that allows people to express
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themselves and to find the answers without attacking people, without demonizing people.
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So we've just wrapped up two very, very successful Wexit town halls. It was more than an airing of the
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grievances though, was it? I thought we'd have a Festivus miracle here and we sold out. But there was
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pretty thoughtful questions from the crowd and you did pretty well at bringing together a thoughtful
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panel. I think I brought up the thoughtfulness. But we had Kian and we had Lauren Gunter and yourself and
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I think that we addressed some questions. I don't know if we offered some solutions, but we gave
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people a place to at least ask the question without being told to shut up. Yeah, I mean we certainly
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didn't answer this. We didn't put the puzzle together, but we're starting to flip over the pieces
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and see what goes where. The idea of Wexit means different things to different people. And when
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you start to give a definition, some divisions emerge. Some people think it means just Alberta
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separating. Others say well Alberta and Saskatchewan. Others say the whole West. Some people think it
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means being independent. Some people think it means joining the United States. Some people think it should
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be part of the British Commonwealth and stay loyal to the Queen. Others want a republic. Some people
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think it should have a federal party like the Bloc Québécois did. Like there's so many different things
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it could mean and maybe it means more than one of those. But I think that has to be figured out. And
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what's the goal? And most importantly, what are you willing to do to make it happen? The one thing I said
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that I think is really the test is if you say to the rest of Canada, if you say to Justin Trudeau,
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I want this, this and this, he's going to ignore you. We know that because he has the votes. He just
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won't fight us. Yeah. You have to have an or else. If you're serious, if you're a negotiator,
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yet if you're in any negotiation, if you can't walk away from the table, if you can't have an or else,
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you're not going to get it. And that's, I think, the problem of Wexit. I mean, Donald Trump has taught
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us you got to, you got to be tough in a negotiation and you can only be tough if there's an or else.
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And I don't see that yet. I see the rebels role here is hosting this conversation
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in good faith and letting people talk freely and make mistakes in their thinking, but figure it out
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and not to jump on people, which is what the CBC and the media party will do.
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Quebec was allowed to have its sovereignist, separatist movement and different gradations
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thereof without being pounced on. I think Western Canada, which is legitimate grievances,
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should be allowed to work it out without sneering from the CBC. I think the attacks against Western
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separatism or whatever you're going to call it are going to be more brutal than anything you've
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ever seen in Canada, because there's an underlying affection and even jealousy of Quebec in the
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establishment. They have a very flavorful culture. They know who they are. They believe in something,
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whereas Trudeau's world is post-national emptiness.
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Yeah, but you just described things that I would say, qualities I would definitely attribute to
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Albertans and that, you know, we are distinct. We do know exactly who we are. We are different. We
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do have a certain flavor about us, but I think our flavor gets frowned upon because our flavor is
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You know, you're right. It's funny how a sense of nationhood comes together. To use Hong Kong as an
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analogy, I think the struggle they're in for their values, who they are and who they are not has
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forged a new Hong Kong identity. I think Alberta has an identity, but the battles it's going through
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now is forging it more and the battles to come will make it even more distinctly so. And I think that
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feeling, words like values, feelings, belonging, they're necessary if you want to start a country
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or a movement. Otherwise, what are you? And Quebec was very good at doing that. They had the folk singers,
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they had the artists, they had the intelligentsia, they had the professors, they had the dreamers
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to envision what it could be like. I think Albertans are more engineers and geologists and accountants
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that use the thinking part and not the feeling part. I'm just, the way our conversations are.
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I think if Wexit is going to have a future, it needs to have both head and heart.
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I think too, it's happening in a different time in a different place. We are in an explicitly
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anti-conservative world. The media is anti-conservative. If we have someone who, I think the movement needs
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sort of a Nigel Farage, that sort of charismatic leader who doesn't really care. But if that person
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were to step forward, he's got to go through the media before he can ever get to the people to
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change hearts and minds. Yeah, Nigel Farage didn't just come out of nowhere. He's been fighting this
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fight for many years. And boy, was he vetted by the media, but he survived. And he was careful about
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his reputation. There was a question that befuddled the federal conservatives a couple of weeks ago
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when they had the first caucus meeting. I know for a fact there are MPs disgruntled and senators
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disgruntled with Andrew Scheer. But the obvious point is you can't beat someone with no one. If you
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don't like Scheer, who do you propose? Peter McKay. And so who is the person? Who's the indispensable man or
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woman? Who is the person? It's hard to think of who that person is. And I don't think Brexit would have
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succeeded were it not for Farage. I know it wouldn't have. Who is that person? The quintessential
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Albertan right now is Jason Kenney and he's a federalist and he's a premier. So who would it be?
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It's not Brian Jean. It's not one of the mayors. They're crazy. Is it a cabinet minister or former
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cabinet minister? Is it a business leader like a Gwen Morgan or Brett Wilson? I don't know. And that's part
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of the problem. Because in our politics we personify things in a leader. We need a champion.
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And until that person is there, I don't know if the parade will be marshaled. It's sort of marching
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off in all directions now. I'm brainstorming as I go here too, Sheila. I think that's what this is all
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about was brainstorming. I guess my last question is what's next for us in all of this? Well, I was
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very glad to do this. Totally sold out event today, standing room only. We had 500 tickets. They all
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sold in less than a week. Almost sold out last night in Edmonton. That's pretty amazing. And by the way,
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there were other Wexit style events going on same week. So the demand is there. What can we supply to
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this demand? We can supply a forum. We can supply fairness. We had some logistics and operations.
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You mentioned that maybe we would host an essay contest or something. Like there's things we can
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do. I got to figure that out a bit. I don't know if we'll do anything else before Christmas.
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It's only a month to go. But in the new year, I expect we'll dig in more on this. I want to take
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the time to think about it. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. If our viewers have thoughts.
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People want something. There are some things we can do. And at the very least, we can be there
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to give a fair shake to the people who are doing it in their own way. You and Kian were at Danny
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Hozak's event. I think if we are journalists for other people, that's a very important role to play.
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Like the Western report and Alberta report did for Preston Manning and the Reform Party in the 80s.
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I think it's for us. I think our job is to just facilitate the conversation.
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We have maybe access to people that these folks don't, you know, that we can bring the thinkers
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to the table so that they can ask the questions. And frankly, I'm proud of what we pulled off here
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Oh, yeah. And we have assets we take for granted at the Rebel. We also have a large audience that I
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think that we fit a lot of roles. And people trust us, too. You know, we're five years old,
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almost. And we fought the fights that are important to Albertans, including oil and gas fights. You
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personally have gone to the global warming conferences, for example. So I got to think
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about it. I don't feel like I have a good answer for you right now. But it's a reminder that there's
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a missing piece here and we can help provide it. Great. Stay with us. More up next after the break.
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Justin Trudeau's Liberals have spent the last four years trying to use the United Nations as a proxy
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to prevent us here at Rebel News from holding them to account at international conferences.
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The Liberals have been using the UN to deny us credentials. But that hasn't prevented us from
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doing the work we do to hold the government accountable for the policies they are drafting
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behind closed doors in far-flung places. The UN Climate Change Conference is in Madrid,
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Spain this year. And Kian Bexty and I are going together. Just take a look at this. This is my
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video explaining why the UN banned us and why that ain't stopping us from crashing their expensive
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Spanish party. Rebel News is headed to Spain to the UN Climate Change Conference. And boy,
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the Liberal government won't be happy about it. Now, we won't be taking a carbon-neutral catamaran
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like teenage truant climate activist Greta Thunberg. We need your help to get there the old-fashioned way.
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Kian Bexty, tracking down Greta Thunberg in Edmonton and then confronting her adult handlers,
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as well as my coverage of the Greta Thunberg climate rally, where we greeted her with our
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crowd-funded How Dare You billboard truck, are two of our most seen videos of 2019. Why is that?
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Well, it's because people are desperate for the other side of the story. The normal person's side of the
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story. The minivan driving, hockey mom, oil patch dad, daily commute on bad roads and cold weather,
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when six months of the year is winter side of the story. When the mainstream media and our politics
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are just so saturated with one side of the climate change narrative. The narrative that a carbon tax on
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everything you do will somehow change the weather. And because of our journalistic mission here at
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Rebel News to tell the other side of the story, I've gone to the big annual United Nations climate
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change conferences in Morocco, Bonn, Germany, and Katowice, Poland. Now these are meetings where
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politicians, unelected bureaucrats, and international elites make policies and decisions in a far-off land
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that make your life more expensive every single day back at home. And they want to do it behind closed
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doors and without any scrutiny. And when I applied to go to my first UN conference, they tried to keep
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me out by saying they do not accredit advocacy journalists, which is absolutely crazy because
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the entire conference is full of pro-carbon tax journalists. What the UN meant was they weren't
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going to accredit a pro-fossil fuel, anti-carbon tax, anti-global warming doomsday cult journalist
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like myself. Now we fought that ban and they eventually let us in. I went to that first
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conference in Morocco where I showed you the parking lots full of idling buses and the disposable
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Potemkin village built in the middle of the Moroccan desert to house the thing. I also showed you how
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this conference on using less of everything was watering the desert ground every morning to keep the dust
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off the shoes of the delegates going into the climate change meetings. And I showed you what it was like
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for the rest of Marrakesh outside of the conference. Oh yeah, and I also confronted a Canadian delegate and
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his press secretary, an aboriginal chief from Manitoba who went to Morocco to bash the oil sands, one of the
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largest vehicles for wealth and jobs for Canada's indigenous peoples. And for that, for telling the truth,
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and for doing my job, I was banned from these conferences going forward at the request of the
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Canadian government. Actually, it was because of my dangerous questions in Morocco that all rebel
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journalists were banned from all UN conferences, including David Menzies, who tried to report on
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the UN Compact for Migration Conference, incidentally, back in Marrakesh. Just look at this letter here.
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This is the UN declining my request for media accreditation again, even though I jumped through
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all of their hoops to get it. And this is my own government using the UN as a proxy to stop me from
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reporting on things that matter deeply to Canadians that are happening in other countries. It reads,
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decline due to complaints received about the organization from government delegates at COP22,
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that's Morocco, concerning harassment. Now I've never harassed anybody in my entire life,
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and I recorded all my interactions with people in Morocco. Contrarian questions amount to harassment
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when the liberal government is on the receiving end of them, I guess. However, banning me for a false
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and completely ridiculous reason has done nothing to prevent me from doing real journalism from these
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conferences. And frankly, I'm a little glad to be outside the conference. Because when you're inside
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of them, sure, the Wi-Fi is good and the air conditioning is great. But all you get is press
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releases. And then you're stuck with a bunch of journalists who are happy to be contained and managed
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and regurgitating the official narrative coming out of the conference completely verbatim. I think after
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four years, you at home probably know that's not my style. When I went to Bonn, Germany and Poland,
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I showed you all the crazy things that were happening outside the conferences. Like the hundreds of diesel
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fueled heaters and light towers they were using to power their anti-fossil fuel conference. Like the
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Greenpeace sailboat that was actually also powered by diesel. And the weirdo art installations that
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accompany these conferences all across the cities they're in. And I'm going back this year, even
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though yet again, they've declined my accreditation at the request of the Canadian government. The UN
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might be able to keep me out of the boring inside of the conference, but there is still a ton of news
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to find out there on the streets. The conference is in Madrid this December. And instead of going with
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a videographer, I'm going with my friend and colleague, Kian Bexty. Two troublemaking rebels
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are always better than one. And Kian is not afraid, as you know, to confront people and ask them tough
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questions. Kian and I are also pretty self-contained. We are our own cameramen. We do most of our work out
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in the field from our cell phones. We've rented an Airbnb and booked the cheapest flights we can find to
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keep the costs of our trip low. But it will still cost us thousands and thousands of dollars for both
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of us to get there and work and tell the other side of the story you won't learn about in those
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regurgitated liberal press releases they call stories over at the CBC. Now, can you help us cover
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the cost to go to Madrid? You can donate to offset the expenses of our trip at rebelun.com. While you're
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there, you can see some of our previous work too. Now, we don't get a billion and a half dollars from
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Justin Trudeau like the CBC does to do our journalism. And we will never take a penny and
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bail out money from any government. We rely on the generous support of our supporters to do the work
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that we do. We are fiercely independent. That's never going to change. We are going to track down the
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newsmakers and show you what really goes on at these closed off conferences that cost the taxpayer
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thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to send our politicians to. Kian and I are
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accountability journalists and we are going to Madrid to continue that mission. If you can help us,
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you can do that at that donation page, rebelun.com.
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Mr. McClain, how are you? I'm great. Kian, how are you? Kian, nice to meet you. How was the ceremony?
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I felt lovely, yeah. Thanks guys. What a terrific day. Lovely speech. Thanks. Thank you so much.
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That's awesome. I was hoping I'd be able to present you with this petition. Okay.
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It's 90,000 folks who signed it who support Don Cherry. Great. Who they watch your show and they're
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disappointed that he was fired. Of course. They want your show. They want you, yourself and Don to be
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standing up for veterans and they're really disappointed that you didn't stand up for him.
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Right. So we're kind of curious with this this binder. We're kind of wondering if you think Don
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is actually racist. Sorry, I don't know who you are. Do you think Don is actually a racist?
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Excuse me. Excuse me. This is, this is, mom please. Excuse me. This is absolutely an
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educational institution. Okay? No. That is unacceptable. Don't touch me.
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You're grabbing me. Everything today has been respectful.
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Sorry. What's your name? It doesn't matter what his name is.
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No. Yeah. It doesn't matter. Are you, that's his wife here. Right?
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This is a, well, you know what? I actually, I don't mind the support. Okay. I don't mind the support.
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What, what we don't mind. It's not support. No, these are supporters. These are supporters of Don.
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We are also a supporter of Don. I don't mind that. I, I, I, we appreciate that support. We really do.
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But you're taking, but you are crucifying my husband as a result of that. There's sides.
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I'm not crucifying. I'm sorry. I'm not. I'm not.
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But you were very aggressive to him in a moment where that was unacceptable.
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Do you think, did you see my husband? He was almost in tears. Do you think he wanted this to happen?
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Why didn't he stand up for him? Stand up in what way?
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Why wouldn't he quit his job? Why wouldn't he quit his job? Well, that really makes sense.
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Because a Canadian saint was fired. For no reason. A saint?
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Was, do you think he was, do you, sorry, do you think, do you think Don is racist?
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Write a letter. Sorry, what's that? Do you think Don is racist?
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I wouldn't say the word racist. Do I think he's a bigot? Possibly.
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That is our Kian Bexty in Edmonton where Don Cherry's former coach's corner partner
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was accepting an honorary doctorate of laws at the University of Alberta.
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Kian popped in to hand McLean a copy of the some 90,000 plus signatures Canadians had offered in support of Don Cherry.
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After Ron McLean threw him under the bus to save himself because Don was a little less than polished
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And we discovered what Ron's wife actually thinks of Don Cherry.
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On that video, on YouTube, Mike Hamelin writes,
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After how many years, and she insults the man who helped and supported her husband.
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Yeah, a little self-awareness from the McLeans would be nice.
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No one would know Ron McLean's name, and Ron McLean's wife would not have the comfortable life
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she enjoys without the larger-than-life, sometimes-unvarnished personality of one Don Cherry.
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Nobody tuned in for Ron except, you know, maybe his wife.
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She owes her entire life to Don Cherry because Ron would still be reffing minor hockey if it wasn't for grapes.
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Do you think Carrie ever said this to Cherry or his wife when they would meet all those years?
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It's easy to call people names when you don't have to look them in the eyes.
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Well, Ms. Lilpig1, if that's even your real name.
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We do know that Don Cherry watches our work, and he's even shared some of it on Twitter.
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So if he didn't know what Ron McLean's wife felt about him after all these years, he certainly does now.
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You were crucifying my husband. He was almost in tears.
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Wow, the hyperbole, backstabbing, and victimization of this woman.
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The only time opportunists find their spine is for their personal benefit, never for others.
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Isn't that fascinating? Ron's wife did turn Ron into the victim in all of this.
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In reality, he's just receiving the righteous condemnation of his duplicitous self-serving behavior.
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Well, everybody, that wraps up this relaxed fit, stretchy pants edition of Rebel Roundup.
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Thank you in the office for turning this into a watchable episode.
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And remember, without risk, there can be no glory.