On this day in 2014, Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent and Corporal Nathan Cirillo were killed in an attack carried out by a self-described Islamic terrorist. Four years later, on this day, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau read a statement about the attacks on the War Memorial and Parliament Hill.
00:03:20.220For those who are involved and listen to this movie, this is a retaliation for Afghanistan
00:03:24.860and because Harper wants to send troops to Iraq. So we are retaliating in the Mujahideen
00:03:30.100of this world. Canada has officially become one of our enemies by fighting and bombing us and
00:03:35.100creating a lot of terror in our countries and killing us and killing our innocents. So we're just aiming to hit some soldiers
00:03:42.100just to show you that you're not even safe in your own land. You've got to be careful. So may Allah accept from us.
00:03:48.100Zahaf Bebo called his attack retaliation for Afghanistan. He was calm. He wasn't drunk. He wasn't on drugs.
00:03:55.100That right there is the final manifesto of an Islamic terrorist. That video, it could have been filmed anywhere by any Islamic jihadi anywhere in the world.
00:04:04.100The scary part is that it was filmed in Canada, in Ottawa, just before that man took Nathan Cirillo's life and then stormed the parliament buildings.
00:04:13.100So there you have it. Two Canadian soldiers dead in two separate attacks during a single week four years ago by self-described Islamists.
00:04:24.100The next thing I'm going to read to you is the statement from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau about the attacks on the War Memorial and Parliament Hill.
00:04:34.100Four years ago today, a tragic and senseless attack at the National War Memorial and Parliament Hill in Ottawa claimed the life of Corporal Nathan Cirillo, a sentry at the tomb of the unknown soldier, and left several others injured.
00:04:50.100On this somber anniversary, we remember Corporal Cirillo and Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent, who was killed two days earlier in a separate attack in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Quebec.
00:05:03.100Our thoughts are with their families and friends and all those affected by these attacks.
00:05:08.100As we pay tribute to these fallen members of the Canadian Armed Forces, we also pay our respects to the brave first responders and members of our parliamentary family who acted without hesitation to keep us safe.
00:05:24.100As Canadians, we will not surrender to hatred and let attacks like these divide us.
00:05:30.100In the face of cowardly violence and fear-mongering, we will not compromise our most cherished values, freedom, democracy, diversity and inclusion.
00:05:42.100Today, I encourage everyone to show gratitude to the valiant Canadians in uniform past and present.
00:05:48.100Their dedication and service protect and defend everything that Canada stands for.
00:05:58.100It's, of course, the liberal mumbo-jumbo that one would absolutely expect from Justin Trudeau when he's trying to be serious.
00:06:05.100He says, in the face of cowardly violence and fear-mongering, we will not compromise on our most cherished values, freedom, democracy, diversity and inclusion.
00:06:16.100A Muslim extremist shot up the parliament buildings and killed a soldier.
00:06:20.100It was a terrorist attack in the purest sense of the word on the place that houses the institutions of our very democracy.
00:06:29.100This couldn't be any more of a terrorist attack on our very way of life.
00:06:33.100But Justin Trudeau, he didn't say those words.
00:06:36.100He can't say those words, terrorist attack.
00:06:38.100He calls it cowardly violence instead of the real reason Corporal Cirillo is dead and his little son is fatherless.
00:07:16.100He called it terrorism several times, even once in his year-end wrap-up interview with CTV News' Lisa Laflamme.
00:07:23.100Now, to be clear, the shooter in the Quebec City mosque attack.
00:07:27.100He's not charged with any terrorism-related crimes, but that hasn't stopped Justin Trudeau from calling it a terrorist attack, rightly or wrongly.
00:07:36.100But what would you expect from an intellectual black hole like Justin Trudeau?
00:07:42.100He paid $10.5 million to a Taliban terrorist and convicted murderer named Omar Khadar because of something that happened to him,
00:07:50.100something inconvenient when he was in American custody.
00:07:54.100Because as Trudeau says, a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.
00:07:58.100Apparently, even if that Canadian leaves Canadian soil to wage jihad against Canadians and our allies.
00:08:05.100Rebel viewers, we stepped up to the plate for the children of Omar Khadar's innocent victim, Christopher Speer.
00:08:12.100We raised nearly one-quarter of a million dollars with the support of nearly 4,000 backers.
00:08:20.100And that helped shine an international light on the secret backroom deal Trudeau struck with that terrorist.
00:08:27.100And we showed the world that Justin Trudeau does not speak for Canadians when he refuses to speak about terrorism and call it what it really is.
00:08:36.100Justin Trudeau is the outlier here. He thinks terrorists are just, you know, misunderstood.
00:08:43.100We have to look at the root causes. Now, we don't know now whether it was terrorism or a single crazy or, you know, a domestic issue or a foreign issue.
00:08:54.100I mean, all those questions. But there is no question that this happened because there is someone who feels completely excluded.
00:09:04.100And Trudeau thinks that they've got a lot to teach the rest of us law-abiding Canadians. Remember this garbage here.
00:09:12.100There is a question of them coming back to this country. And you can't possibly monitor all of them. Can you?
00:09:20.100Yes, we have security agencies that are engaged on this file very much.
00:09:25.100But there's also a lot of community outreach going on.
00:09:28.100We know that actually someone who has engaged and turned away from that hateful ideology
00:09:37.100can be an extraordinarily powerful voice for preventing radicalization.
00:09:42.100You know what? That's too much crazy. Let's detox our brains.
00:09:46.100Here's what arguably Canada's best Premier Doug Ford had to say about this sad day we commemorated this week. Here.
00:09:55.100We remember Corporal Nathan Sorello of the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders, who was killed four years ago today.
00:10:05.100Corporal Sorello was murdered as he provided a ceremonial honour guard at Canada's National War Memorial.
00:10:15.100A sacred place that honours those who have given their lives for our freedoms so that we can live in a democratic and safe country.
00:10:27.100We also remember Warrant Officer Patrice Vassant, who was killed the same week, four years ago, by an ISIL-inspired terrorist.
00:10:38.100I thank all of our security agencies, police forces, and first responders who put their lives in harm's way for our safety every day.
00:10:49.100And for those who leave Canada to go and fight for ISIS, let me be very clear.
00:10:56.100You should not be allowed back into our province with open arms. There is no safe haven in Ontario for you.
00:11:06.100Ford called it a murder. He called the attack against Warrant Officer Vincent, ISIL-inspired. No mincing words there, at all.
00:11:14.100And if you caught the end of Ford's video, he alludes to going one step further.
00:11:19.100Ford's going to do what the federal government should be doing when it comes to ISIS terrorists, returning back to Canadian soil.
00:11:27.100The Ontario PCs have proposed a law to permanently strip convicted terrorists of benefits like access to health care coverage,
00:11:35.100driver's licenses, housing assistance, or even a hunting or fishing license. It's not much.
00:11:41.100But the new law, formerly known as the Terrorist Activity Sanctions Act, is something. It's something.
00:11:48.100And it's currently more than the federal government is doing at all.
00:11:52.100Yes, unfortunately, for once, I actually find myself agreeing with Justin Trudeau that we absolutely will learn something from these powerful voices,
00:12:02.100these returning ISIS terrorists. They will be an incredible, powerful voice to show us just what sort of dangerous idiot our Prime Minister is.
00:12:11.100But my great fear is that Canadians will learn this information the hard way.
00:12:16.100Stay with us. More, up next, after the break.
00:12:40.100My next guest thinks they just might be. He's written a 132-page report and complaint to the RCMP detailing the money trail from the federal government to terror groups.
00:12:52.100My guest today is Tom Quiggin. He's an intelligence analyst and security and terrorism expert.
00:13:23.100Folks should know that I spent 15 years in the military, including time in Bosnia and Croatia.
00:13:28.100I worked for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for six years as a contract security intelligence analyst working on national security investigations.
00:13:36.100It was while working for the RCMP that I actually became a court expert for the first time in a terrorism case here in Canada.
00:13:42.100I've also worked for the Privy Council Office and specifically the Intelligence Assessment Secretariat.
00:13:47.100That's the intelligence body in Canada that works directly for the Prime Minister and for the Cabinet.
00:13:53.100Internationally, I've worked for the International War Crimes Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in The Hague.
00:13:59.100And I worked as a senior research fellow at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore working on an intelligence research project there.
00:14:06.100So, I mean, I'm pretty much an establishment figure when folks talk about, you know, how government is run by a certain bureaucratic class.
00:14:14.100I guess I'm, you know, a part of that.
00:14:17.100I guess then you're not the wingnut that your critics will claim that you are.
00:14:23.100Now, I guess the real question is, are the Liberals funding terrorism and how are they doing it?
00:14:31.100Yeah, well, let me just give a bit of background here.
00:14:34.100Parities have been used in Canada for years to fund terrorism.
00:15:16.100That was Muammar Gaddafi's jihad fund as it was operating in Canada.
00:15:21.100Now, what has changed, and I think this is what is important, is in the past it was sort of like bad or malicious people outside of government exploiting weaknesses in government systems in order to enhance their charity and fundraising capabilities so they could fund terrorism.
00:15:38.100What is different now is that people inside the government are using the government's programs, the government's funding, the government ministries to direct money down a path which they know portions of that money will ultimately wind up funding extremism and terrorism.
00:16:22.100And we know that the government of Canada is funding them because it's in a variety of government documents coming from Global Affairs Canada, International Development, et cetera, et cetera.
00:16:32.100Now, Islamic Relief Canada sends millions of dollars a year to its parent organization called Islamic Relief Worldwide, which operates out of the United Kingdom.
00:16:43.100A variety of credible independent sources have identified Islamic Relief Worldwide as continuously funding terrorism.
00:16:52.100And amongst those people making the accusations are the United Arab Emirates, whose government, I mean, incidentally, is Sunni and Muslim.
00:17:00.100The state of Bangladesh has refused to allow Islamic Relief Worldwide to operate in their territory because they say they're funding extremism.
00:17:07.100The state of Israel says that Islamic Relief Worldwide is funding Hamas.
00:17:12.100And then to make it even more interesting, HSBC Bank, one of the world's largest banks, has closed their accounts with Islamic Relief Worldwide due to terrorism funding concerns.
00:17:25.100And in the United Kingdom as well, the charity Overwatch organization has looked at Islamic Relief Worldwide and said they're pulling them off their website for terrorism funding concerns.
00:17:36.100And right here in Canada, the Financial Post used to have Islamic Relief Canada on their list of 25 best-run charities, but it's no longer there.
00:17:45.100And the reason they gave was terrorism funding concerns.
00:17:48.100Now, interesting enough, just since I put this report out, six American congressmen have written to the head of the FBI and the head of the IRS requesting that they continue their investigation into Islamic Relief USA for, guess what, funding terrorism.
00:18:04.100So this is sort of a globally known problem.
00:18:07.100And why the Canadian government is sending money down this path, which they know will go to Islamic Relief Worldwide, this to me is quite an interesting question.
00:18:15.100You know, when you lay it out that way, Canada is really the outlier, the global outlier, especially in the Western world, when it comes to dealing with where these charitable funds end up.
00:18:27.100I noticed in your report you had it was really an infographic about which ministers were the worst offenders and and where, you know, how much money is going from each ministry to Islamic Relief.
00:18:43.100Yes, we've to make it simple for folks, we put a number of charts and graphs in there.
00:18:48.100And if folks are ever looking at it, you can just hover over each of the pictures of the links and you can see the sources for this material.
00:18:57.100This is information coming from government documents or NGO documents, et cetera.
00:19:01.100But the ministers who are sort of sitting at the top as far as we're concerned, who are directing money to Islamic Relief Canada, folks like the Honorable Ahmed Hussain, Minister of Citizenship and Immigration and Refugees,
00:19:13.100the Honorable Christy Freeland as Minister of Global Affairs or Foreign Affairs, depending on your choice,
00:19:19.100the Honorable Marie-Claude Bebo, who is Head of International Development.
00:19:24.100We also have Ikra Klit, of course, member of Parliament from Mississauga.
00:19:28.100She had a hand in directing $23 million of M103 anti-Islamophobia money to two different organizations, one of which is Islamic Relief Canada.
00:19:39.100She didn't say how much of the $23 million they're getting, but it looks like it's the lion's share.
00:19:44.100Now, separate from those individuals who are actually directly aiding in money being sent down the path to extremism,
00:19:51.100we have Prime Minister Trudeau, who actually did a video for Islamic Relief Canada advocating what a great bunch of guys they were
00:20:00.100and why should we, you know, and that we should assist them.
00:20:03.100And he's spoken out on their behalf a couple of times.
00:20:06.100In addition to that, we've had Omar al-Gaba, for instance, also a member of Parliament from Mississauga,
00:20:12.100has risen in the House to make a statement about what a great bunch of guys Islamic Relief are,
00:20:17.100and he also goes to their fundraising efforts, ergo he is lending his prestige and the prestige of Parliament to Islamic Relief.
00:20:25.100So, just for folks who don't follow this stuff closely, the Criminal Code of Canada is fairly clear on this.
00:20:31.100If you send money down a path which you know is going to wind up in the hands of extremists or terrorists,
00:20:37.100that by itself constitutes a criminal offense.
00:20:40.100So that's where I would say the ministers in Ipre Kalid are.
00:20:43.100In the case of Mr. Trudeau and Mr. Algebra, they fall afoul of a different section of the Criminal Code,
00:22:25.100So, for instance, the Baptist group in the Atlantic provinces went, I believe,
00:22:30.100it was about zero for 23, 23 separate applications for summer jobs money,
00:22:35.100which they'd always received, and then they got zero because they asked for an exemption from the program.
00:22:41.100What's fascinating is a bunch of groups like ICNA, ISNA, and Islamic Relief Canada got the money,
00:22:48.100despite the fact they are openly and sometimes violently anti-abortion.
00:22:53.100So, for instance, ICNA has the public position that unwed females who are pregnant, the child should be born
00:23:00.100and then the woman should be stoned to death.
00:23:02.100So I'm not quite sure that meets the Liberal government test,
00:23:05.100but nonetheless they were able to get money.
00:23:07.100So, yeah, there's a whole other separate question and a whole separate investigation that should be run there as well.
00:23:12.100You know, it's fascinating when you think of it, that money that could be going to fund summer camps for inner city kids or, you know, poor kids,
00:23:23.100that money could actually be going to fund summer jihad camps somewhere in the Middle East.
00:23:30.100Actually, separate from that, and what we're about to talk here is not in my report,
00:23:35.100but, I mean, the Quiggin Report has put a podcast on this if people want to follow it.
00:23:40.100But there is something called the UNRWA.
00:23:43.100It's a supposedly United Nations organization that operates in the Palestinian territories.
00:23:49.100The Government of Canada just announced another $50 million of funding to them
00:23:54.100on top of the $110 million we'd already sent them in the past.
00:23:58.100And this is interesting because UNRWA just had its funding cut off from the United States
00:24:04.100because they described the program as being irretrievably broken.
00:24:09.100So what's actually happening is UNRWA, and it's been known for years,
00:24:13.100that they support extremism, they support terrorism, they promote violence.
00:24:16.100And more interestingly, money that goes to UNRWA winds up in the beneficiary program.
00:24:22.100And what that program does is it funds the families of suicide bombers.
00:24:26.100So if your son goes off and blows himself up as a suicide bomber for Islamic Jihad,
00:24:31.100you actually get a pension for the rest of your life because of that.
00:24:35.100So Canadian money going to UNRWA, some of it will find its way into the hands of supporting suicide bombers.
00:24:42.100Now, in addition to that, they've had some charming individuals working for UNRWA.
00:24:47.100One of them was a guy named Suhail El-Hindi, who just left last year after 23 years.
00:24:54.100He was a teacher. He was part of the Hamas organization that does political activities with UNRWA.
00:25:01.100And while speaking at a UNRWA school, in company with Sheikh Rantizi, who was the founder of Hamas,
00:25:08.100he told the students there that the road to Palestine passes through the blood of murders
00:25:13.100and that those student murders shape history through their exploding body parts.
00:25:18.100So this is a teacher in their school system, and this is what they're teaching the students.
00:25:23.100They had another charming guy work for them.
00:26:47.100Well, a couple of things come to mind.
00:26:49.100One is, one is we have a Westminster style of parliament,
00:26:52.100which is to say the minister is accountable to the actions of the department.
00:26:57.100And the excuse of, oh, I didn't know that was happening, is not an acceptable excuse.
00:27:02.100Either you knew it was happening, or the supervision of your department is so bad,
00:27:06.100you didn't know what was happening, in which case you're incompetent.
00:27:09.100Now, having said that, folks like Ahmed Hussam have actually come out and said,
00:27:14.100oh, no, we only deal with trusted partners, which to me suggests he must have done an exercise to review if the NGOs and agencies they're working with are reliable.
00:27:23.100And if they'd done that, they would know right off the top, as soon as you look at Islamic relief, they're in trouble.
00:27:29.100There's all kinds of people pointing out the problems this organization has.
00:27:38.100Their actual business, international development, is sending money overseas.
00:27:42.100And you would have to think that the department is accountable for knowing to whom they're sending the money.
00:27:48.100And if they're not, then again, they're just grossly incompetent and should be fired based on that.
00:27:53.100So, yeah, I would have to say, I mean, it's general knowledge in the national security and the intelligence world and in the international relations world that Islamic relief worldwide has a problem with funding extremism.
00:28:05.100It's known in the banking world and it's known in the journalistic world.
00:28:09.100So I think a defense of I didn't know what was happening or I was just following orders, that doesn't wash here.
00:28:17.100My next question was going to be, how does Justin Trudeau as prime minister end this?
00:28:23.100But you just your last answer sort of negates that question at all.
00:28:31.100I guess the question should be, how does the next prime minister deal with this problem?
00:28:41.100It's a matter of simply enforcing existing law.
00:28:45.100We already have laws against what we're doing here.
00:28:48.100So, I mean, the first simple suggestion I would have to Prime Minister Trudeau and to whoever secedes him at whatever point in the future is simply follow the law.
00:28:58.100Now, what I do find fascinating, though, is a number of governments around the world say, you know, they oppose terrorism, they oppose extremism, yet they keep right on funding it.
00:29:08.100To anybody that does, you know, long term studies of terrorism, they know that the simplest way to crush a terrorist group is to go after its funding.
00:29:15.100So if Canada is serious about terrorism on an international basis or on a local basis at a domestic level, then that's the first thing to go after is the funding.
00:29:24.100And I think that is, you know, the easiest thing for Canadian citizens to start asking the prime minister and their members of parliament and say, you know, are we funding terrorism?
00:29:34.100Are we sending money down a path where we know it winds up in the hands of extremists?
00:29:40.100Now, as I pointed out earlier, it's been an ongoing problem for years.
00:29:44.100And at certain points, CRA steps in and does something about it and gets it stopped.
00:29:48.100But to refer back to your question about Mr. Trudeau, the point is this time is it's people inside the government directing the money down the path, not bad or malicious people operating outside of government.
00:30:00.100So how one gets people in government to stop doing this is a bit of a question.
00:30:05.100I mean, I think there needs to be accountability and that comes either through the RCMP, which enforces federal law, or it comes through the ballot box and letters to your MP.
00:30:15.100You know, I would love to see a Gomri style inquiry into how these funds are dished out and where they end up so that people can actually see the decision making trail alongside the money that went to these organizations.
00:30:33.100Tom, how do people get in touch with you?
00:30:50.100It's available on SoundCloud, iTunes, Stitcher, and all the sort of usual places.
00:30:54.100If folks want to see the infographic we put together on who's sending what money where, and if they want to see the actual report itself, if you go to Patreon and look under Quiggin Report, you'll find it there.
00:31:08.100There's also this one podcast we just put out on the complaint to the ARC and people in government funding terrorism was actually the third in a series where we've looked at the history of funding terrorism in Canada, what agencies have been used in the past, and then of course this podcast we just put out now, which I think is the most important one, which says it switched from being people outside of government to people being inside government.
00:31:30.100So yeah, search under Google under Quiggin Report and funding terrorism and you'll find us in a bunch of different places.
00:31:36.100Great. Thanks so much, Tom, for coming on the show today and for taking the time to put together this massive, comprehensive report.
00:31:44.100And I hope that we can call on you again for some of your expertise.
00:32:05.100Now is the portion of the show where Ezra normally reads viewer comments, emails, and maybe even a little bit of his hate mail.
00:32:14.100And he normally stands for this portion of the show.
00:32:18.100He's taller and skinnier when he's standing, I suppose, the way we all are.
00:32:23.100But I need to sit because I need my desk.
00:32:26.100Because I need some place to put my computer.
00:32:30.100Because I have to answer a question about my computer that I get a lot, like surprisingly a lot.
00:32:37.100I get a lot of different versions of this email here that I got from one of our viewers named Gordon.
00:32:44.100Now, Gordon writes, please provide an explanation about the picture of Tucker Carlson with the word predator on Sheila Gunn-Reed's videos.
00:32:55.100And Jim sent me, again, like I said, another version of the same email.
00:32:59.100I thoroughly enjoy Sheila's great work.
00:33:02.100Just wondering the story behind the Tucker Carlson picture.
00:33:05.100Okay, well, first off, let me thank both Gordon and Jim and all the other people who email me for paying such close attention to the finer details of my videos.
00:33:15.100Frankly, now I'm a little concerned that I should put more attention into those small details that you are all noticing at home.