Robbie Picard confronts Elizabeth May on live radio
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An oil sands activist we all know and love derailed a friendly CBC interview with Green Party Leader Elizabeth May. Here s a clip of a live stream of a Cross Country Checkup radio interview with Elizabeth May where she was asked some pretty friendly questions.
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An oil sands activist we all know and love derailed a very friendly CBC interview
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with Elizabeth May. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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Bear with me, friends. I'm going to show you about two minutes of a live stream of a CBC
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cross-country checkup radio interview with Green Party leader Elizabeth May.
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It was an ask me anything style interview. And Elizabeth May was getting some pretty friendly
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questions. There weren't very many prickly ones lobbed at her until Robbie Picard from Oil
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Sands Strong. Could take no more. You know, I'm surprised they let him through on the phone line.
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So if you're focusing on Alberta oil, it does raise the question about your stance on pipelines.
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And I think that's what our next caller wants to ask you about.
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Robbie Picard is calling from Fort Mac, Alberta.
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Hi. I have a question. It's a blunt question. So there's over 289 members of the Northeastern
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Aboriginal Business Association. And there's the Mikasoo First Nations and the Fort Mackay First
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Nations. Both these First Nations have invested each $250 million into a Suncor tank farm for a total
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of $500 million. Pretty much all Métis Indigenous and First Nations businesses and nations in our area,
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Fort McMurray, want the Trans Mountain Pipeline, including Chief Alan Adam. He's the guy that
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brought Jane Fonda, Neil Young, and all those people to Fort McMurray. What happens to them?
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I can tell you right now that we're terrified about what's happening because we believe that we have
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the best oil in the world with the highest environmental standards. We have some of the
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lowest emissions, only 0.15%. And this bash on our industry, bashing on our community, and this attack
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constantly calling us dirty oil, blood oil, tar signs, and all that type of stuff has devastated our
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community. And I know you're talking about the wildfire and you're going to bring the wildfire
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up, but my house burnt down in the wildfire. And frankly, the forest is all back. It's all
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rejuvenating. That's part of the cycle of the forest. It has to burn in order to rejuvenate.
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The forest burnt in 99, or sorry, in the 90s. And so we're really worried about what's going to happen
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to our pipelines. What happens to these First Nations when, if you succeed and the oil sands get stalled,
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Robbie, thank you very much for that question. And Elizabeth May got about a minute, so tackle that.
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Well, it's the number one agenda item for this election from the Assembly of First Nations,
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and I was the only leader to go to their annual general meeting this summer, but the Assembly of
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First Nations is clear. The number one issue is the climate emergency. I know, Chief Adams, I know how the
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Miccosucree and the Fort Mackay First Nations have suffered from the emissions from the oil sands,
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and how it has concerned them about what's happening to their health. What the reality is
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here is that we are in a global crisis with a fixed carbon budget. We can't negotiate our way out of
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it. We can't beg the atmosphere for a bit more time because humanity doesn't seem to be able to listen
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to the warnings of science. We know that there's a sustainable future for every single worker in the
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oil sands. We know that Indigenous peoples who have invested in those operations will be using oil for
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at least till 2030 from the oil sands, but we'll be cranking it down and we will not have a single
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additional pipeline built. You know, that's a pretty paternalistic answer that May gave to Robbie, who happens
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to be a Métis man himself, who works with Fort McMurray First Nation businesses every single day.
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May basically told Robbie that she knows his people and she knows what's good for them.
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Where I come from, that's called paternalism and I'm old enough to remember when the left was
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staunchly against it. But that wasn't the only crazy thing happening in climate activism news last
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week in Canada. You see, our dear country had a visit from St. Greta Thunberg, the deeply troubled,
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busybody Swedish girl who has been told by her exploitative adult handlers that she knows
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everything there is to know about everything. Robbie joins me tonight in an interview we recorded
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yesterday afternoon to discuss Elizabeth May, Justin Trudeau, Greta Thunberg and so much more.
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So joining me now from his home office in Fort McMurray is my friend Robbie Picard from Oil Sandstrung.
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Hey Robbie, thanks for coming on the show. I wanted to have you on because Elizabeth May,
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the Green Party leader, she was having a lovely visit with the folks from CBC's cross-country checkup
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until you phoned in. Why don't you give us a brief synopsis of exactly what happened there? Because
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you sent me the link and I listened to it and I thought it was perfect. It was a very friendly
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interview. Everybody was buying what Liz May was selling until Robbie called in. And I don't even
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know how you knew to call in, which is great because, yeah, you derailed that whole thing for her.
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Elizabeth May is one of my least favorite politicians for multiple reasons. Not because
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she's a Green Party person. And in fact, I quite enjoyed her debating Ezra years ago. I think I
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saw them debate. I think in a lot of ways she's an entitled person and I think she's kind of full of
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shit. My question was simple. What happens to us in Fort McMurray? What happens to the 289
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businesses, the Aboriginal business associations? What happens to the Micassee? What happens to the
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Fort McKay First Nations? What happens to the ACFN? What happens to the numerous Métis groups,
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particularly the ones down in Lac La Biche? Actually, I just I had a meeting with him the other day. I
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borrowed his trailer and I blew a tire actually for the president of Robo. And they're concerned.
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And I don't think I don't think she has a grasp on how concerned people are in Fort McMurray. And it's
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not even just about the the big First Nations. It's about the contractors and the small business
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owners. It's about the people taking the barge all the way to Fort Chippewan from here all summer
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long. I mean, these are there's if she gets one bit of what her wishes are, she's going to
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devastate our community. And her answers. I mean, her answer was vague. And and I really
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found it insulting. And I wish I could get a second question because like my question would
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have been so she I guess she talked about the federal First Nations that she was involved
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with. So does that mean the ones here don't count? Did she try to trump them? Did she try
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to trump us? I mean, she's she's a her philosophies are dangerous to our economy and to the future
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of our area. And I mean, we only produce 0.15 percent of emissions. She didn't dispute anything
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that I said. She just sort of went into her, I guess, her political mode. But I was happy
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that I got to ask a good pointed question. And they let me ask my question. So I was grateful
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for that. Yeah, I was surprised that they let you through on the line. I'm kind of glad
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for that. My concern with Elizabeth May is that if the liberals form a minority government,
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they need the cooperation of the Greens to prop up their government. And I'm worried we're
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going to see a much more radical liberals, even more so than Justin Trudeau, if they do form
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a minority government because they need to please Elizabeth May every step of the way
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to stay in power. And we're seeing that whole scenario play out right now in British Columbia.
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my expectations, like I'm actually sometimes I'm even debating getting into politics. I don't ever
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want to be a politician. But I know that if I was one, I would articulate my views pretty
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good. And my pray, I'm praying for Trans Mountain, I'm praying that it gets built. And I'm hoping like,
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I don't know, I don't know which way the election is going to go. But I hope that there's one thing
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that the conservatives and liberals can do together is get that built. And I'm hoping that this whole
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minority parliament thing, I mean, politics are so divisive right now. This should be easier to call
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than it is. But I'm just praying that they at least get one thing done. And before they go all radical,
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which I mean, Elizabeth May, I mean, I don't think she has what it takes to be a leader. I mean,
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I think that you may realistically, she's had one seat the majority of the time she's been in
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parliament, I believe she has two now. That's, that's two seats. I mean, like, it's just,
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if she has the balance of power, I mean, that'll, that would definitely be interesting. But I hope,
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I hope that we can go to an issue an issue basis, and maybe get a few things done with between the
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liberals and conservatives, I hope they have some integrity. Well, and I think too, it doesn't really
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matter which progressive party holds the balance and power with the liberals. If the liberals do
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form a minority government, because the NDP are just as radical on this issue, as the Greens are,
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the Greens say that they want us all to transition into these green jobs, which don't exist without
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government subsidies. And the NDP, well, they just want to completely nuke the oil sands. There's no
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they're not, they don't have even these wistful green dreams. They just want it all gone. And they
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want it all gone tomorrow. For example, Jagmeet Singh, he doesn't support the Kinder Morgan Trans
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Mountain Pipeline. He says there has to be prior and informed consent from the First Nations. Well,
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that's not quite how it works. The word is consultation.
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The problem that's happening right now, I would argue the vast majority of Indigenous and Aboriginal
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First Nations, Métis people support pipelines, they support energy. What you do is you have these
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environmental organizations from the states, so called environmental organizations, and they pay
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for lawsuits to a few First Nations to deliberately stall and stall and stall and stall in this never
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ending fight. And, you know, I used like, I didn't agree with Tom Mulcair on everything, but I
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respected him as a politician. I know he supported the Energy East, he probably was against the Trans
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Mountain. But the NDP, I mean, I grew up in a family where it was NDP, NDP, and I was in Saskatchewan
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when Roy Romano was the premier. And, you know, you don't love everything they do, but, you know,
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they did decent under Roy Romano. They had a union-type mentality of jobs. Now you have unions like
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Unifor, which is Suncor's union, but they protest pipelines. We're in a weird, weird place.
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I think the NDP are sort of in this weird survival mode. I don't think, Tom Mulcair was a leader. He
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was a good opposition leader. You like him or not, he asked tough questions. You know, he rescued that
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girl when Justin Trudeau was stormed across, and he banged her in the chest. You know, like, I mean,
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Tom Mulcair had some, I didn't love him. I don't see that in any of the leadership in the federal NDP
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right now. It's quite sad. And if they, I mean, the two of them have balance of power, I mean,
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I don't think their current leader has the real skill set or knowledge beyond his echo chamber to
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understand how the world works. And you can go on and on talking about identity politics, but that
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seems to be all I've ever seen or heard out of him. And Elizabeth May, I mean, her response to my
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question on cross-country checkup was just so like, oh, there's going to be this, and there's
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going to be these skilled workers, and they're going to, like, it doesn't work like that. Like,
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the skill sets aren't always transferable either. Like, there's certain jobs that people want.
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There's certain people have got, it's not that simple. I don't think she understands how the oil
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sands work. I mean, I think she thinks she knows, but she truly doesn't.
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Robbie, I'm going to give you a quote, because I think this quote, I don't know if you're going to
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get it right. I think you might, because it'll show just, it'll demonstrate something. I'm trying
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to prove a point. Okay, here's the quote from a political party leader. You can't make a choice
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between what's good for the environment and what's good for the economy. We can't shut down the oil
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sands tomorrow. We need to phase them out. We need to manage the transition off our dependence
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on fossil fuels. That's going to take time, and in the meantime, we have to manage that transition.
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Who said that, do you think? Oh, well, I want to say Elizabeth May, that would make it easy,
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or a jug mean, but it's probably Trudeau. It is absolutely Trudeau, and my sneaky little point that
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I was trying to prove is, there's literally no daylight in between all three progressive parties on this
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issue. So, I guess I'm debunking my own point by saying the Liberals are actually going to get
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more radical on the issue of being anti-fossil fuel, because Trudeau said that two years ago.
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So, I mean, they're pretty radical and pretty in line with Elizabeth May. I mean, that could have
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been said by Elizabeth May. It could have been said by one of the more radical NDPers, but it was
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actually said by our Prime Minister about our best resource.
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So, Justin Trudeau came here many times. I know Justin. I've hosted some events for him, and
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you know that I try to stay as nonpartisan as I can. Yeah, of course I do.
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It's not easy, particularly right now. I recently did an interview with a publication, which I can't
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say what it is right now, because the guy made me say, be quiet about it, because he didn't want
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anyone to know he was doing a story to scoop him. But it was a pretty big publication, and I was
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honored that they asked me to do an interview. And when it comes out, but I actually, for the first
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time, really was critical of Justin Trudeau. And I believe everybody makes mistakes. They do things
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10, 15 years ago, and I mean, that type of stuff comes up. I've never seen a leader in my entire life
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that has gotten as many passes as Justin Trudeau. Yeah. If Stephen Harper would have wore black
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face for five minutes, it would have been done. And Justin did it that we know about three separate
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times. I think there's a fourth one that just came out. We're recording this on Tuesday. And there's
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a fourth one of him in an Afro wig that just came out literally moments ago. So I guess
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if I was Justin Trudeau, I would brag about all the resources we had, I would never undersell it,
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I wouldn't apologize for it. I'd say the oil sounds the best thing that's happened to Canada. And I
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really understand it. I understand it in a deeper way than just showing up and giving lip service.
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I would also do that for solar. And I do that for wind. And I do that for wheat and canola.
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I would do that for everything. I would be the leader the country needs. And that's someone who
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doesn't matter if you voted them for not or not. You try with everything within your power,
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if you have integrity, to sell what they're selling. And we don't need to apologize about
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the oil sounds. And Justin knows that he knows he knows how good it is for Canada. I'm terrified
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that identity politics and some weird socialism agenda is slowly creeping its ways into our policies.
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Last week, when you have Greta Thunberg coming to our country, and it's very clear that she,
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her speech to the United Nations was, I mean, it was a complete and utter disaster. It was
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embarrassing. I found it so insulting that someone with such privilege, and I mean, let's talk about
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privilege. Privilege is getting floated on a $20 million yacht. Privilege is when Arnold Schwarzenegger
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lends you his Lexus. Privilege is when each world leader meets with you and sits down.
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And somehow her childhood has been stolen from her. That is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard
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in my entire life. Because you actually have children in Africa and countries that are starving.
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They're not eating hummus on a train with peanut butter. And I understand that she's got problems.
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But when Justin met with her, I lost a lot of respect that I had left for him. And I'm also blown away
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at celebrities because let's just be candid. Greta Thunberg right now is the biggest celebrity in the
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world at this moment in time. She's got the highest social media following, the highest engagement,
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and celebrities that are sort of has-beens are jumping on her bandwagon to get pictures with her.
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And I felt that our prime minister was a little bit of a celebrity. He is the poster child for Canada,
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like it or not. And that includes the oil sands. It includes selling our oil to market. And I'm concerned
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that if we're being lectured to by a child, and who really, I mean, her arguments are weak at best.
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And if you cross, if you have to cross-examine her, I mean, she crumbles. She's already crumbling
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now a little bit. It wasn't a good defense of us. And it kind of said like, hey, well, she's in town,
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I better have my picture taken with her. I lost respect. The other thing is, is that this argument
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that somebody who's like a grown man in their 40s cannot question her. They're trying to use that
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to emasculate people that are actually questioning her. This is the part where I'm completely and
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utterly perplexed. Okay, so when her argument suits your narrative, she's an expert. Greta Thunberg,
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an expert. She's a well-spoken, great person. And if that's the case, then she should be able to be
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cross-examine. And I mean, there's plenty of 16-year-olds that are brilliant. Brilliant 16-year-olds
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you can argue with. You can, I mean, my little foster sister, when she was 16, I mean, she used
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to argue with me and she beat me in arguments. But I mean, she did something stupid. I have no problem
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calling her out. So my concern is that we're being duped. And we are scared to stand up to her
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because she's, you know, she's a 16-year-old girl who's, you know, got a disability or superpower,
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either way you look at it. The point of the matter is, is that if you're going to play in that league
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and she's in the big leagues, then you need to have rebuttal. These grown men, a lot of them are
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fearful for their family's future. They've got own 16-year-old children that they've got to put
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through school. They don't have the luxury of being funded by billionaires and multimillionaire
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celebrities who lend them their Lexus. Her speech was an embarrassment. It's an embarrassment to people
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across this country that are struggling across the world. She has an amazing childhood. No one stole
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anything from her. She doesn't need to work a day the rest. She doesn't have to go back to school.
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She's a famous international celebrity now who's got connections. She's done. I mean,
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she doesn't have to go back to school at all. She can float around, public speak, do whatever she
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wants. Arnold Schwarzenegger will help her out. So will Obama. And so will Trudeau. And like,
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I mean, and that's fine. I mean, I'm not trying to, like, she's got to seize her opportunities.
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But we as a country need to understand that Canada needs to get our oil to market. And we don't have
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time for childish distractions. You know, I watched that whole Greta Thunberg in Montreal thing. It
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was very alarming to me because I've seen some of the, um, the counts of the crowd size. 50,000
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of our fellow Canadians took to the street, the streets of Montreal to say, shut down Alberta.
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That's what I saw when I saw that. That's what I saw when I saw those signs holding up that our
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fellow Canadians want to unemploy us because a 16 year old girl from a continent away is telling them
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to do it. And really, I look at Greta Thunberg with great sympathy as a mother, I feel like she's
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being abused and exploited. And people are exacerbating her vulnerabilities, because it gets
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good TV play. It makes for great soundbites. And I worry about her future when she's all used up and
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thrown away. And I feel like she's being used as a human shield. The same way I would say that Hamas
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uses human shields. They put the women and the vulnerable children up front in the war. Well,
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they think they're on a war against fossil fuels. And guess who's standing up front? The women and
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the children. So that the moral people, you and I, we don't fire at those people. We don't attack
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those people. And that's what I see happening here. But my very wise 13 year old, who has been talking
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to me and nagging at me in a Swedish accent for over a week now, since she saw Greta do it, she watched
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that video of Greta's speech. And she said, Mom, that's not a compelling argument or whatever
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in her little 13 year old language she said. But she said, that's just every other teenager
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talking sass mouth to an adult and thinking that they know how to run the world. And I thought,
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you know what, that's true. You know, we're we're holding Greta up as special and somehow insightful.
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But really, when you boil it all down, she's just a regular 16 year old who thinks she knows
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Um, yeah, I'll try to unravel some of that. So first, I believe that they had a good turnout,
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but I would argue that it's a false turnout. And I'll tell you why they planned it a long time.
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They were skipping school. You're in a city with a population. I mean, there's all like we
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skip school Fridays. It'd be interesting to see how long that happens. I'm sure it'll happen a few
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more times. Um, back in the rally days, when we were across the country, I would argue we had
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pipelines number one issue in Canada for quite a while is build that pipe, build those pipes when
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we want pipelines on them now. Um, unfortunately, we have jobs and we get on caught up in our lives
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trying to keep things going. I'm going to blame us. I'm going to blame myself, Cole, Cody, um, our
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whole little activism group, because, um, I think we when we got pipelines, the number one issue,
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we kind of got complacent. And it's but it's it's hard. Like, I mean, we all you know, we
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all have, um, lives to try to run businesses. I can't, you know, fly to Ottawa all the time.
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And Arnold Schwarzenegger is not lending me a Lexus anytime soon. Um, so, um, but, um, I do believe
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that it is our duty, all of us to try and get this pipeline issue back in people's consciousness,
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because it's real. Like, I don't think people in Ontario realize what's happening, like borrowing
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copious amounts of money to prop up their economy. And when we last so long, Alberta used to prop it
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up and Alberta needs help. We're not asking for much. We just want a couple of pipelines. So you
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could stop importing oil from the United States or Saudi Arabia or wherever, and help us be competitive
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in the world market. And, um, if Justin Trudeau wants to plant 10 billion trees, go for it. But
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get me a pipeline. Um, seriously, like, uh, we need a pipeline. We desperately need pipeline. And, um,
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I'm terrified. And we don't, I don't think I miss politicians that are boring, non charismatic.
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I want a bean counter. I want a politician that like is socially awkward and still uses a handkerchief
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and then offers it to you because they're so little, they're so socially, but they're really cheap.
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And they're too cheap, too cheap, too cheap by Kleenex. You can wash a handkerchief. Um,
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but, um, no, I'm, um, I, I'm, I'm hopeful that something, something good comes. Also,
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I want to say something. Um, I think it's a shame that, uh, one of your reporters recently got kicked
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out of, uh, Andrew Sears Lane. I'm still going to try to be as non-partisan as I can, but that's not
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right. It's not right when Rachel did it to you and it's not right any other way around. Uh, uh,
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it's not, especially that guy, like, you know, he's, he's such a softie. So, um, it, we got to go
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back to, like, the rebel serves a very big, important purpose. And, um, there's a lot of
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stories that have been broken because of you guys. So, I mean, does everyone get it right all the time?
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No, but I would argue you guys get it right pretty more times than you don't.
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Oh, well, thanks Robbie. Yeah. I think I, the moral of the story is just leave us alone. Let
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us do our jobs. Just let us do our jobs. We're not there to make trouble. We're there to ask
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questions. You can even ignore our questions, politicians. If you're watching, uh, you could
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just ignore us and talk right over us. Like Justin Trudeau does to literally everybody. Um,
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but, uh, costing us, throwing us out of places, it's just a bad look on everybody. And I think,
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um, if we are going to be outraged that the liberals didn't allow my friend, Andrew Lawton
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to attend to their campaign events, the same must be said of us. And we have to see past our
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partisanship and, and how desperately we all want Justin Trudeau to lose. I'm speaking for me and not
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you. Um, we have to be able to see past that to stand on principle sometimes or all the time. Uh,
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Robbie, I know that you had, uh, meetings today and, uh, we're working late in the afternoon. Um,
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I want to thank you for being generous with your time. Please tell everybody how they can support
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the work you do because unlike the Greta Thunbergs of the world, you don't have anybody throwing a big
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stack of cash your way to do the advocacy for families like mine that you do every single day.
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Um, please go to oilsandstrong.com and buy 10 t-shirts.
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Thanks, Robbie. Have a great day. We'll have you back on again sometime very, very soon.
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I think for the majority of Western Canada, and I know definitely for Alberta,
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most people are voting because they care about one single overarching issue. It's the same issue
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that swept Jason Kenney into power provincially. That issue is jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. And regardless
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of Elizabeth May's grandiose dreams of the lease hand on your drilling rig, suddenly becoming a green
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energy mogul, it's not happening, at least not anytime soon. And at least not without a lot of
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government intervention. Demand for oil is rising globally and Canada should and must be the ethical
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supplier to the rest of the world. Progressive parties need to stop colluding with each other
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to further foreign interest to block Canadian oil. This is a Canadian sovereignty issue that's going
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to trigger a separatism crisis that I don't think anybody is prepared for. Well, everybody, that's the
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show for tonight. I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the very same place next week.
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And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.