SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ A lousy budget and a carbon tax hike, all in one week
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The federal budget is in and it is the exact opposite of what we saw here in Alberta. It means nothing good for you and your family. Today, Sheila Gunn-Reed and Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation explain why.
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The federal budget is in and it is the exact opposite of what we saw here in Alberta. It means
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nothing good for you and your family. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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April 1st Canadians woke up to being the butt of the federal government's joke when the carbon tax
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jumped up to $65 a ton. It will hit you not only at the pumps but everywhere along the supply chain
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because the carbon tax will be added to everything that is made, grown, or moved. So
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well really literally everything and then the federal budget is out and it is a catastrophe.
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Let me show you. Franco Teresano from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation compiled the numbers in an
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article for Sun newspapers. Look at this. In 2022 spending was $470 billion in 2023. It will be
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$491 billion. Spending will climb to $509 billion in 2024, $523 billion in 2025, $538 billion in 2026,
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and $556 billion in 2027. Does that look like saving money to you? For politicians reading this
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in Ottawa, here's a clue to answer that question. If you increase spending by $85 billion, you're saving
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money wrong. Now joining me today is my friend Chris Sims, the Alberta Director of the Canadian
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Taxpayers Federation to discuss not only what the hike in the carbon tax means for us here in Alberta
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because we will be hit disproportionately hard by this bad federal government policy as we tend to be
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with any bad federal government policy, but also what the budget means for you.
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Joining me now is good friend of the show and my good friend Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers
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Federation. I wanted to have Chris on because, well, she's great and the time together just sort of
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flies by, hardly feels like work, but federal budget just came out and it is a catastrophe and the carbon
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tax just went up. I noticed it yesterday at the pumps. I mean, I'm paying a buck 40 a liter here in Alberta
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where we make the fuel. It happened immediately. And yet the federal government, they've been telling
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us all along in their Ponzi scheme speak that they charge us more for stuff, but we'll get more money
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back. None of it makes any sense. Chris, break it down for us. It doesn't make sense because they're
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not telling the truth. They're just straight up not telling you the truth. So number one, it defies common
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sense to think that we could give the government money and have them give us more back without us
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paying for it. The government does not have magical money trees or sources of income. Okay. We, this is
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not an investment. They do not have a wealth generating machine under center block. Okay. That's not where
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they're digging that big hole. So it's just on the surface of it. They think we're stupid. They think
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that we'll just believe that number two, the parliamentary budget officer, okay, which is an
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arm's length, uh, independent auditor, basically all they do is go through the books and go through
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the numbers has said now in two reports, Sheila, that that's not true, that you pay more than you
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get back even with the rebates. And the way they do that, of course, is they don't just look at the
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pump price. Like you just mentioned, we were, I paid a buck 40 in Claire's home, which is typically some
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of the cheapest in all of Alberta. So we already saw it. So it's not just that pump price. It's your
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pump price. It's what the trucker's paying for the diesel. It's what the locomotive is being filled
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with, with diesel, which is about $2,400 extra in the, in the carbon tax, by the way. Um, it's what
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the grocery store is paying to keep the place cold and hot using natural gas all down the line. And it's
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even the farmer who's using propane and natural gas to dry their product. So that's why we have this
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massive layering effect. And then, so the PBO apparently took elements like that into consideration
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and they talked about job losses, all that stuff. And so in totality here in Alberta, we're getting
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screwed the worst. So on average, an Alberta family is going to pay out about $710 extra this year,
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even with the rebates factored in. Now why Trudeau and why Minister Guibo continue to say things like
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you'll get more back? I don't know, because their own math is wrong. So I think this is just pure
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politics and messaging. They're hoping that if they repeat this big fib enough, that people will just
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go back to sleep and ignore him. Yeah. If you made this claim as somebody who was
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starting a multi-level marketing company or, or an investment scheme, you would go to jail.
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It's a Ponzi scheme as they lay it out, you know, give us more and I'll give you more back.
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Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. And you, you just mentioned the farmers there and I see the feds
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are patting themselves on the back saying, Oh, but we, we exempted the farmers from the carbon tax
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on what our fuel, what about our inputs, but about our fertilizer inputs, everything along the way is
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touched by this carbon tax. Exactly. Why? Because right now our modern world runs on oil and gas.
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You cannot get away from it, even if you tried. So that is why we have abundant crops. That's why
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we're able to do just in time delivery. That's why we're, most of us are able to heat or cool our
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homes with the push of a button. You know, if that's why, and if you make that stuff more expensive
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through taxation, surprise, surprise, you make everything cost more. Now I did want to give us
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a little tiny bit of a win here, because I think it's important to take a look at the light.
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Uh, it sounds like we're going to get this exemption that we've been pushing for the
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taxpayers federation here, I think for about four years. And that is farmers, like I just mentioned,
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use grain dryers, including propane and natural gas. Typically what I'm told, I don't need to tell
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you about farming. Okay. Thank you. And so we were pushing for an exemption and it's past the house of
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commons. It's in the Senate now. And so we're hoping that it gets rubber stamped. And so we know
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this isn't a win in the sense of if I'm driving my pickup truck, or if you know, the trucker is
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driving his big rig, or Sally is filling up her minivan, you're all still paying the carbon tax.
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But this is one small win where we're going to get those farmers exempted for drying their grain from
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the carbon tax. So we'll take a win where we can. So there will be some slight relief there,
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but we want the entire thing scrapped because this is just a massive tax grab and it does not
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help the environment. I have to pound this home because I was in British Columbia for much of my
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adult life. They've had the highest carbon taxes there since 2008. And guess what? Emissions keep
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on going up. Why? Because people need to keep their homes. They need to eat and they need to drive to
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work. They don't have an affordable alternative abundant energy source they can switch to. And so it's not
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helping the environment. All it is, is making us poorer. And they got to stress. So wonky, smart
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people, I mean that truthfully, really smart people will say things like, the price on carbon is now
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$65 per ton. Nobody knows what the hell that means. Like, honey, did you pick up a ton of carbon on the
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way home? Like, nobody, nobody knows. But if you tell them that it's 14 cents a liter of gas and 17
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cents a liter of diesel. And if you do the quick math, that's 15 bucks for your average pickup truck,
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like a gas, like a 1500. If you're driving like a heavier duty one, like if you're hauling cattle or
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something or towing something, and you've got one of those Ford super duty diesels, that's $30 extra,
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Sheila. Every time you're filling up. Like, it's a mind boggling amount of money.
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Yeah. And for a lot of guys, you know, my husband's in the oil patch. He does drive the
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big one ton. He has to. And, you know, sometimes he's got a five, six hour commute to work. And this
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is, this just eats up a family's bottom line. And, you know, I'm so glad that the CTF pushed really
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hard to get that exemption for grain drying because cereal crop farmers are price takers. They're not
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price setters. So this is not even something that you could pass along to the consumer the way you
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could at a greenhouse level or some of the other produces, which actually increases food inflation.
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If you're worried about that sort of thing, I am, I'm not so sure the liberals are, but yeah, I mean,
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there's no possible way for a grain farmer, cereal crop farmer to pass that along to the consumer.
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They just have to take the global market price on their product. And if their inputs are higher,
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that's just tough on them. See, again, this is, this goes back to the term punishment.
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And I use that correctly because the very liberals who crafted the mandatory minimum federal carbon tax,
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the Trudeau carbon tax, describe the carbon tax as a punishment for the poor behavior of using fossil
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fuels in their language. And so this is how they see it. It's an ideological thing. This is not about
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saving the environment. This is just about punishing people for using oil and gas. And what really
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bothers me is that this is a severe punishment because people can't switch. There isn't anywhere
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for them to go. These basically in a fair fight, if you've challenged someone to a fight, a physical
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confrontation, and they have agreed and consented, if you've got them in the corner and their hands are
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up like this, it's unethical to continue hitting them. But that's exactly what the federal government
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is doing here. Because the average person, average person cannot find that alternative,
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affordable, abundant energy source. And so, yeah, this is just a punishment.
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Yeah, it is a punishment, particularly on the poor. If you have a family minivan that's 10 years old,
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you need that vehicle to get to work, to get your kids wherever they need to be. You just can't walk
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into the dealership and buy a Tesla. No, Justin Trudeau wants you to go electric.
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No, no, they just don't have the money for that. You know, I think it boils down to, Sheila,
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in many cases, a lot of these folks making these decisions are multi-generational privileged people.
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And I don't like using that term because it's used as a wedge quite often. But I think it is an honest
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lack of understanding. They don't understand what it is to be working class. They don't know what it's
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like to live rurally. They don't know it's like, you know, for like your husband having that major
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commute. For them, they've perhaps lived just this kind of enclosed urban environment that's
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typically very highly paying and very job secure. They don't understand what it's like to have that
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older minivan or to have like that Dodge Ram pickup where it costs you 15 bucks extra to fill up now
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just in the carbon tax. For $15, I can get a roast chicken and a jug of milk.
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Yeah. Like that's food off of my family table every single week. And then if you add that and
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add that and add that to things like trucking, so that big rig truck driver filling up two of those
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average size cylinders, not even the big ones, that's almost $160 extra just in the diesel carbon
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tax. And then the locomotives, I sat there and nerded out and figured out what the capacity was on
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those fuel tanks on the locomotives in Canada. And on average, it's about $2,400 extra. And there's no
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exemption. And so this is, I think we've got a big disconnect between the folks who are making these
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laws, creating these punishments and the rest of us who are paying for them. Yeah. There's a,
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an underlying sense of classism in the middle of all of this, that, um, you know, these things do hit
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the people who make and grow things and build things a lot harder than it does the people whose
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commute involves coming down out of their high rise and stepping onto, uh, you know, a C train.
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LRT. Yeah, exactly. It's a big disconnect. And I must say, this is where I really want to hammer
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this home because this isn't even just you and I talking about it or the Taxpayers Federation or a
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rebel, you know, taking a really good stand on something. This is the parliamentary budget officer's
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own language as well, because they did more of a deep dive into the second carbon tax, which is
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supposed to be hitting us sometime this summer. We're guessing it's going to be around 10 cents
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or so per litre of gasoline and diesel. It's extra. It's a government fuel regulation. And even their
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own language to paraphrase said that this will disproportionately affect the, the poor, the single
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mothers, those who are working paycheck to paycheck. Now to you and I, that's probably obvious. Uh, but I
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think it's important to point out that the parliamentary budget officer's own report to parliament.
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So he's talking to Trudeau. That office is talking to the PMO. They know, they know, and they're not
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scrapping it. So this is where I think we're now at a bit of an impasse where we're telling them this
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is how much it's costing. We're telling them it's not helping the environment. We're telling them to
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scrap it. And they've really kind of dug their heels in on this. I am taking a bit of hope at the
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grain dryer thing. I think that's a bit of a gap in the fence. And if we all push it once, we might have
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a chance of getting rid of this thing. You know, we need the greenhouse guys to step up
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and fight. Um, it's, uh, it's just fascinating to see how disconnected the federal government is
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from real people and actually can see that in the budget, uh, the, the latest federal budget. Why
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don't you give us the Coles notes version of, I guess, just how bad this is going to be for regular
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Canadians? It's awful. Um, my friend, Franco Terrazzano, our federal director, he was in the
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lockup. Uh, you can go to our website, taxpayer.com for free, um, and take a look at all of our news
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releases and our articles there. Top line, uh, they're spending an extra $85 billion between 2022
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and 2027. That's increased spending. Uh, a stat I saw, I think this is accurate. The Trudeau government
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itself as an administration has added something like 30,000 people to the ranks of the federal
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bureaucrats. And so again, $85 billion increase in spending over the next five years. It's just
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mind blowing. We, we don't have the money for this. They need to be balancing the budget and they don't
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even seem to understand that they need to balance the budget. It's not like they're like, okay, in two
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years time, we're going to be able to come out of COVID and blah, blah, blah. And we'll eventually
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get there. No, that's not even on the horizon anymore. They're not talking about balancing
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the budget anymore. And the reason why this is so alarming, it isn't just because it defies common
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sense because, you know, most households, a lot of them are failing right now because they're
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underwater, but most of them try to balance their budget or they know that it's something they ought
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to try to do if they can. Um, this isn't even connecting on this level anymore at the federal
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government level. And the reason why that's important is one, it increases the debt. Okay.
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So we're more than a trillion dollars in debt right now. That means that our interest payments,
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I think right now as a line item, I think the interest payments are either about or a little
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bit more than our spending at the department of national defense. Like it's crazy amount of money.
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A trillion dollars is what we are in debt. If you started counting right now, Sheila,
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it would take you 30,000 years to count to 1 trillion. That's how much debt we're in. And so
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it causes this interest payment that we all need to pay for as taxpayers. And what it also does is it
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also encourages the central bank, Bank of Canada to print up more money, right? Which is then used to
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buy government bonds. This is the connection between deficit spending and money printing
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and interest rates. And so this was all very carefully explained by very smart economists
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to Trudeau and his team years ago. And he wants to be forgiven for not thinking about monetary policy.
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But unfortunately, we're the ones, taxpayers, average working people, people on fixed income,
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we're the ones are going to bear the brunt of this. This is totally fiscally irresponsible.
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We don't care what party it is. If the conservatives are pulling this nonsense,
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we would be chewing their leg off too. This is completely irresponsible and we're going to all
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have to pay for it. Our main concern overarching is that there just isn't even the awareness.
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Like if they were saying things like we're going to balance it or we're working hard or something
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like that, we're going to reduce it, then we could at least take some hope that they're going to
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wise up and sober up and like put the keg down. That's not even in the language, unfortunately.
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So I was looking at Franco's Twitter account, and he notes that taxpayers paid 31% more for bureaucracy
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over two years. So this is not over like a 10 year time span where you would expect that sort of
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rapid rise, but just two years. The average compensation for a government bureaucrat is $125,300
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all in. So that includes their out of control benefits. And then we've got a government union
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that demands even more, could cost the taxpayer up to $16 billion over the course of just two years,
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while the people who pay these salaries are just struggling to get by.
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Yeah, this is really the tale of two pandemics, as Franco has put it many times and very well.
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I can't stand it when politicians and bureaucrats will say something to the effect of, well, we're all
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in the same boat. No, no, we're not. We're all in the same storm. But those folks in the bureaucracy
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and in government jobs are typically in big taxpayer funded yachts. And the rest of us are kind of
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treading water. You know, we're hanging on to the garbage in the ocean that they're throwing overboard.
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She won't even scooch over so we can float on the door with her. Yeah, it's a problem. And so this is
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where it gets really frustrating, because we're paying their salaries, and they just keep on
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demanding more. And the reason why those costs went up is because apparently over the last six years or
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so, Prime Minister Trudeau has added about 30,000 people to the payroll. Like, it's an astonishing number.
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That's the population of Courtney in Vancouver Island. Imagine all of those people now being
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added to the ranks of the so-called public service. And we're all paying for it. And unfortunately,
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it's going to get worse. A lot of the government employee unions are demanding crazy high salary
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and wage increases. In some cases, 14% per year for three years. Like, we had to check that six times
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because we thought it was a typo. No, no. There are, in some cases, some government unions demanding
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a more than 40% pay increase over the next three years, or they're threatening to strike. So it's
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going to get worse before it gets better. I think my best recommendation would be to keep hammering
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your MP. Keep emailing your MP. Send your MP your heating bill, your grocery bill, what your truck
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payment costs, and say that you expect them to rein in this spending. And that also starts with their
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pay raises, by the way. Members of Parliament took their fourth pay raise during this last four years
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while the rest of us are getting pay cuts or losing our businesses. And it's an outrageous amount of
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money. They were already making, Sheila, $189,000 per year as a backbencher. That's just backbencher.
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Ministers make more than $200,000. I think it's $237,000. And keep in mind, for folks who haven't worked
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on the Hill, it's easy to forget where their expenses go. Their housing's paid for. Their
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hydro bill's paid for. Their food is paid for. They have hot meals three times a day right there
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in the lobby of the House of Commons. Like, they want for really nothing when you're a Member of
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Parliament and they're taking their fourth pay raise. It's just gross.
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It's outrageous. Now, you know, it's, it is, it's outrageous when you put it that way,
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that they're taking their fourth pay raise. Yeah. Well, people are cutting back to get by
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because these same people keep hammering them with taxes. Now, you are part of the Alberta Proud
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touring panel, which I will be a part of, on April 20th. Tell us a little bit about that.
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I'm super stoked for this. It's Can't Stop Alberta. The great people behind Alberta Proud
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and the Alberta Institute are putting this on. I've already done two shows or chats in Calgary.
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It was amazing. They packed the house. There was around 100 people there, full house. And we talk
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about things like, well, from the taxpayer's perspective, like lower taxes, less waste,
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accountable government, the carbon tax. I can break down for you what just transition will cost you.
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And what I love about it is how to get out there and fight. Because if we have 100 people
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coming to watch us, we know they're already in the tent, right? We know that they're ready to fight.
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And what I tell them is think of 10 people in your social circle who didn't come with you here tonight
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and just like red pill them. Tell them how much they're spending. And so I think it's really
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important to get all of these issues understood before the May election.
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Yeah. And we have to arm our army of pro-freedom evangelists with really good, concise arguments
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to take out with them into the world. Because the other side likes to confuse things with
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unnecessary jargon, right? Like they say, a price on carbon. I'm like, I mean, a tax on life.
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You know, you have to sort of cut down through the jargon and break it down into real tangible
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things. And I hope that, well, I know you're doing that. And I hope I can do a little bit of that while
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We're going to be on stage together. I think we need to point this out.
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Yeah. We're going to be on stage together so people won't confuse us for being the same person
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It happens at least like once or twice a month, which is a great compliment.
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But it's like, no, different person. But no, this is going to be great. I'm not sure what your
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focus is on. Mine is usually carbon tax and just transition. And this is the one in Red Deer,
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So come to Red Deer and you can watch us talk about freedom and low taxes.
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Exactly. Now, before I let you go, Chris, I want you to let people know how they can get
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involved with the Taxpayers Federation in the fight for smaller, more accountable government.
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Thank you. So if you go to taxpayer.com, click on the petitions tab, we've got something for
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everybody there. That's what I love about the petitions that we have. You know, if you want
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to get rid of the PST on used items at thrift shops in BC, we've got a petition for that.
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If you want to stop funding the media, we've got a petition for that. If you want to scrap
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the gun grab, same thing. So just sign up for one of those petitions. And that does two things. One,
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it puts pressure on politicians. So we actually make change. And two, you're signed up to our
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standing army. And that way, when it's time to do a critical mass blast of email on one person's
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email address and make it crash for the day, which is exactly what happens, you'll be the one
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helping. So just go to taxpayer.com and sign up on petitions that tickle your fancy. And then you'll
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be joining our army. That's wonderful. Chris, thanks so much for the interview today. You're
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a fan favorite. And you're just a personal favorite too. So we'll have you back on again very soon. And
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I can't wait to see you on the 20th. Yeah, I'll see you there. I'm bringing you this shirt.
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Well, friends, we've come to the portion of the show where we invite your viewer feedback on like
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the mainstream media. And I know I say this every single week, but I actually care about what you
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think about the work that we're doing here at Rebel News. And so this is why I give out my email
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address right now. It's Sheila at rebelnews.com. If you have a question, a comment, a criticism,
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send it to me, it might just get read on air. And today's viewer feedback is indeed a criticism.
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But I, like I said, I welcome it. I want to know what you think. This comes from Ken,
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who writes to me. Hello, Sheila, I want to begin by saying that you are great. And I appreciate you
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as a journalist so much. I feel like this is a criticism being stuffed into a compliment sandwich.
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It's good management style, by the way. Anyways, let's keep going. I especially love that you are open
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about your faith in our great God. I am a born again evangelical missionary pastor in
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Nippawon, Saskatchewan. That's so fun to say. My wife and I have been in ministry for over 35 years,
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and I have had to learn a lot the hard way. Here is why I'm getting in touch with you. I hope that
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you can take some constructive criticism as a believer. I see that at times you correct others,
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and that is needed. I'm not trying to come across as above anyone. In fact, humility is the only way
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to succeed in his kingdom. At times, even while giving glory to God, you let cuss words fly.
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It's true, I do. It's true. I struggle with it. I do my best. I try not to use the Lord's name in
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vain. That was something that was very offensive to my mom. But like all of us, I'm a deeply flawed
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individual, and I am not always the best at times. Ken goes on. There, I said it. This subtracts so much
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credibility to us who believe and stand for the Lord. As I have said, I appreciate so much when I
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hear your faith come out, even with tears at times that you are unashamed of him. Please hear me
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because so many who need him hear you too. They say that free advice is worth what you pay for it.
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The ball is in your court. It is wonderful care. Sincerely, Ken Matthews. Ken, I appreciate you and
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your concern about my credibility and me swearing. And I realize I do. I do sometimes. And I don't mean
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to. I try really hard to be careful about the language that I use on air and be calculated in
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the words that I use. But it is a character flaw that I will admit to. And I struggle with it every
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day. And I'm doing my best to rein in the mouth. So yeah, I don't mean to offend anybody. And I'm
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sorry if I did. And I appreciate your care and concern for me. And I wish you and your wife the
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very best in your ministry, literally doing the Lord's work. Well, everybody, that's the show for
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tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time in the
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same place next weekend. Remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to