SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Are climate change true believers part of some quasi-religious cult？
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Is the deep green, radical climate change movement a cult? My guest today makes the case. Sheila Gunn-Reed and Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition make the case that the environmentalist movement is a cult.
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Is the deep green radical climate change movement a cult?
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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Most sinister cults anyway, is change your diet drastically and sometimes change your
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And that is to disorient the prospective cult member, but also to deplete their brain from
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the ability to think their way out of a situation.
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And right now, the climate change movement is saying you don't need to eat meat, even
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though meat requires the things you need to make your brain work.
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You must not eat animals because you're trying to save the planet.
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And I see that as a thing a cult leader would tell you to do so that you don't have the
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psychological but also physical wherewithal to get out of the situation they're about
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Now, that's just one way that I would compare the environmentalist movement to a cult.
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My guest today has given it, I think, even more thought than I have.
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My guest today is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.
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So, joining me now is my friend Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.
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And I'm very sorry I was late to our interview.
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There's a strong comparison, and I make it all the time.
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But you have come to, I think, the same conclusion that I think climate change is a bit of a doomsday
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And, you know, as with most doomsday cults, at the end of it all, you're left with the
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truest believers who will do the most extreme thing.
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Because with so many doomsday cults, they make a prediction of the comet or whatever, the
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And then the next prediction comes, and it doesn't come to fruition, and people leave.
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But at the end, you are left with a radical capsule of people who are true believers, despite
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all evidence that they know that they are right, and they are willing to do whatever it takes.
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And that's, I think, how normal people end up drinking Kool-Aid or Flavor-Aid, as was the
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case, or wearing matching tracksuits and Nikes, killing themselves.
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Well, it's interesting, because Michael Crichton gave a speech.
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Remember, he's the author of Jurassic Park and the Andromeda Strain and all kinds of things.
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State of Fear, which was something that talked about climate change and how the environmentalists
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were actually causing disasters so that they could say, oh, look, you know, we're right.
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He said, if you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is, in fact, a perfect 21st
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century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.
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There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature.
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Then there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution, etc.
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And he talks about there'll be a judgment day coming.
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We're all energy sinners doomed to die unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability.
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And, you know, it's interesting because there was an expert, Rick Ross.
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And he developed a list of 10 warning signs for unsafe groups, which was published by the
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And I won't read all 10 of them, but let's look at a couple of them.
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The first one is absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
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And, of course, that's exactly what's happening in the climate change thing.
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We have Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio without any formal scientific training.
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And if you question them, my God, you know, you're you're a denier.
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No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
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You know, if you question it all, you're a denier.
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And, you know, just going through the list, I just do one more.
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It said unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil
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OK, it's very much like the guy walking down the street who says the end is near, you know,
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And, you know, Al Gore is doing that all the time.
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Did you see his his stuff at the Davos conference where he was really quite unhinged?
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Maybe you're mad at yourself in your big house, in your private jet that got you here.
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But it's OK because you can have your tantrum in your pile of money that you got from peddling
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Well, and it's amazing if you look at the other people on the stage at the time, he
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He was saying the oceans are boiling, boiling like that's 212 degrees Fahrenheit.
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It turns out that the average temperature rise of the oceans in the last century has been
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0.14 degrees Fahrenheit, which is considerably less than a degree Celsius, point one less than
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OK, so if you actually believe the UN now, that's a big if because, of course, a lot of
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But there you know, these groups are actually saying that it's a but a 1.4 degrees C ray rise
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Now, like the atmosphere, if you know, you would not even notice that in your lifetime
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And that's a good question because some experts say that there's no warming at all.
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So he says boiling, but he gets away with that because he's on the side of the angels.
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OK, he's on the side of the global warming catastrophes.
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The other thing he said, which I thought was funny.
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And again, the people on stage were not questioning him.
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He says the equivalent of 600,000 Hiroshima bombs per day are being set off because of
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We're still putting 162 million tons into it every single day.
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And the accumulated amount is now trapping as much extra heat as would be released by
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600,000 Hiroshima class atomic bombs exploding every single day on the earth.
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That's what's boiling the oceans, creating these atmospheric rivers and the rain bombs
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and sucking the moisture out of the land and creating the droughts and melting the ice
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and raising the sea level and causing these waves of climate refugees predicted to reach
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Look at the xenophobia and political authoritarian trends that have come from just a few million
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We would lose our capacity for self-governance on this world.
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Now, you have to ask yourself, first of all, how big is 600,000 Hiroshima bombs in comparison
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It turns out that it is 0.25% of the sun's output that hits the earth, actually, in the
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It actually works out to, you know, 600,000 Hiroshima's today would be 9 million kilotons
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But the sun gives us 400 times that amount of energy every single day.
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The other point, of course, is when people tell me about these big numbers of energy being
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added to the atmosphere, my answer is, well, so what?
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I mean, in eight and a half years, there's been no warming.
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So obviously, something in nature is undoing it.
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What's happening is that as it gets slightly warmer, you get more evaporation and you get
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And we know that's the case because there was no warming.
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And if it's true, and I haven't done the full calculation for greenhouse gases, but if it
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were true that 600,000 Hiroshima's per day, well, the answer is like, so what?
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Even with his gross exaggeration, if I didn't notice, I don't care, frankly.
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And when you spread it out over the whole thing, I mean, you know, it really doesn't
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I mean, we could go through all 10 of these things, but it's not really worth it.
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That's number nine among the identifiers of a cult.
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You might laugh that they actually took that statement from Al Gore about boiling ocean 600,000,
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His very excited, unhinged statement, they took it and they put it to exciting music.
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OK, so it's not as if it's not as if the left were hiding it, saying, oh, my God, he's
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They were trumpeting it because the leader is always right.
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So they were actually pushing it with music, exciting, boom, boom, boom, music, you know,
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You know, they're saying we have 12 years left or there's an irrefutable change to the
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I mean, Al Gore was saying there's going to be a billion climate refugees.
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In 2005, the U.N. forecast that there was going to be.
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United Nations Environment Program claimed in 2005 that by 2010, there would be 50 million
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So they crossed that out and they changed 2010 to 2020.
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There is not a single climate refugee anywhere in the world.
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And I think that the world at large understands that this is wrong, because you might remember
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that back in 2015, I think it was, the U.N. did a poll called My World and they asked people
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of the world, what were the top things the U.N. should focus on?
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And the first one they put really first and big, you know, they wanted everyone to choose
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And after nine million votes had come in, much of it from Nigeria.
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I don't know why, but climate change ranked dead last.
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OK, there were all kinds of other things like access to clean drinking water and, you
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know, peace and security and freedom of expression, things like that, which sometimes you wonder
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But it was interesting because all of the developing nations put climate change either at the end
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or very near the end because they, of course, needed the essentials of life.
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Only in countries like Denmark, where they essentially had enough fresh drinking water,
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enough energy, security, things like that, only in those countries did it even break the
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OK, so what have you laughed to hear what happened?
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The U.N. obviously wanted climate change to come out as number one because they keep saying
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Well, after a little while, when it became apparent that the world people were putting
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And I'll actually send you an image, actually, of the results of the poll, which show climate
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change not, you know, fifth or tenth, but dead last.
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OK, so people of the world, I think, are waking up to this at large.
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And, you know, one thing that really excites me, I don't know if you've heard of the
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He is quite amazing, you know, I mean, he has tattoos all over his face.
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So he has the image of a traditional rap star, you know, cop killing and all that.
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But he says things that are really, really significant.
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It pumps me up and it pumps me up not because he's saying these things, you know, don't defund
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police, defund the media who lie through their teeth, you know.
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And he he talks about all kinds of things that are that are really exactly what you talk
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Now, the beauty of this and the reason why I find it so inspiring is because he has 17
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And it's mostly young people saying, yeah, he's right.
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And and what McDonald's says is he says the elite want to keep us fighting among ourselves,
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fighting left versus right, black versus white.
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You know, all the different people fight, fight, fight.
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Because he says they're afraid if we get together, we'll go against them.
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And that's, of course, one of the reasons I think why government divides people, why the
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UN, others divide people up, you know, like, I mean, this whole concept of dividing the
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world into developing and developed nations and different countries have different obligations
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I don't know if you notice, but China is still called a developing nation.
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Like, yeah, so they don't have to reduce greenhouse gases at all, even though they're twice as
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So, you know, you laugh, Sheila, when they cornered the Chinese delegate at the Peru
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Conference of the Parties, I think it was 2014, they asked if they would change that part
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of the agreement, you know, and because, of course, that's underlying the Paris agreements,
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the Framework Convention of climate on climate change.
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And the Chinese negotiator, he said, oh, no, no.
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The purpose of the Paris Agreement is to enforce the Framework Convention, not to change it.
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I mean, in 1992, when the Framework Convention was passed, there were no billionaires in China.
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And now, I don't know how many there are, but there's lots.
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They can increase their greenhouse gas emissions forever because the Framework Convention says
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the first and overriding priority of developing countries is poverty alleviation and development,
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And so they're going to say when 2030 comes around, where the Paris Agreement says they
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have to cap their emissions, they're going to say, nope, we have an out clause.
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And that is the fundamental rules of the whole UN climate approach.
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And so they can increase their coal production, which, of course, is their cheapest form of
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energy because it helps them alleviate poverty.
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They didn't put climate change top of the list.
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And in fact, you know, I don't admire China the way Trudeau does, but I must say that they
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are a lot more practical than our leaders when it comes to this whole charade.
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It's funny that poverty elimination is number one for the developing world, but it's climate
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policies that are leading to poverty, poverty creation in the Western world.
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I was making some notes as you were talking because, you know, Tom McDonald is so right
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when he says, you know, like they don't want us talking to each other.
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And that leads me to all of these Internet censorship laws.
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They really don't want us communicating with each other and sharing ideas.
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And importantly, realizing we're not alone and not crazy for questioning these things.
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I remember that was the I think for me, as I watched the trucker convoy roll across the
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For me, it was watching all those people pile out onto the overpasses and along the highway
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because suddenly they realized, like, I'm not alone.
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The TV told me that I'm supposed to care about climate change, that I'm supposed to be intensely
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scared of covid, that I'm supposed to stay away from my neighbors.
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I'm supposed to follow the stupid lines on the grocery store or I'm a grandma killer.
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It's why they don't want us talking to each other.
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And you see that also in now it's still happening in Ottawa.
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You know, for example, they're having consultations with the public on, you know, their budget policies
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They don't just let you go to the microphone and talk.
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So what you have to do, I'm going to the the presentation for our award and it's actually
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three words in one, eight, nine, sorry, seven, eight, nine here in Ottawa.
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And you have to submit your questions in writing, which they'll put in a box and the counselors
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Because, you know, if you get one person go to the microphone and say, you know, I think
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You know, we haven't seen any warming for eight and a half years since, you know, and there's
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been almost half a billion tons of carbon dioxide emitted.
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Don't you think, Mr. Counselor, there might be something wrong with the theory?
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What happens then is the next person in line thinks, damn, that's right.
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I'm going to ask a question that's on that side, too.
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You know, if you if there's a talk show, it's good to call in early on, because if you
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express doubt against the politically correct position, whether it's drag queens or a million
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different things, suddenly you find a lot of other people are inspired and they want
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to phone in to say, yeah, I agree with that guy, you know, because you've broken the ice.
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And that's one of the tricks, you know, you have to do if you're fighting against these
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people is you have to get up and break the ice.
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You know, you have to get up and say, yeah, I think that this climate change thing is insane.
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You know, Sheila, I just want to read to you one of the reasons why more people aren't
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OK, this is a story, it's in Epoch Times, and the name of the article is quite revealing.
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As you can see, the communism behind environmentalism.
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Anyway, they're talking about how many of the strategies used by the environmental extremists
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and climate change are right out of the communist playbook.
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And they talk about a Swedish meteorologist by the name of Lenart Bengtsson.
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And when he wanted to join the Global Warming Policy Foundation as an advisor, he had to
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And here's what he said in his resignation letter to the Global Warming Policy Foundation.
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He said, I've been put under such enormous pressure, group pressure in recent days from
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all over the world that it's become virtually unbearable to me.
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If this is going to continue, I will be unable to conduct my normal work and will even have
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I see no other way out there, therefore, except for resigning from Global Warming Policy
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I had not expected such an enormous worldwide pressure put on me from the community that
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Other colleagues are withdrawing from joint authorship, et cetera.
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And he says, he says, you know, I used to think that this was a peaceful community.
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Apparently, it's being transformed in recent years.
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And that, of course, is right out of the communist playbook.
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Sounds like the poor guy came out the other end of a struggle session.
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Yeah, and all he did is he wanted to join this group that is seriously looking at the
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And that's what our climate fact check is about.
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We're saying, OK, you think that, for example, there is reducing snow over Canada.
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And I don't know if I ever told you this, but a few years ago, Ecology Ottawa had a session
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And they were bringing in skiers from across the country, world-class Olympic skiers, talking
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And you can see on the Snow and Ice data center that snow has been actually increasing over
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And I said, are you going to bring in a scientist to talk about the real state of the climate?
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And I got up to the microphone and I asked the skiers on stage, I said, how do you feel
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about the fact that they haven't brought in a scientist who can tell you that snow cover
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is actually rising for decades across North America?
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And oh, my God, it was like I was in some weird cult.
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You know, one woman in the front row, she stood up and she shook her fist at me and she
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I said, well, look, check the Snow and Ice data center.
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I mean, I agree it would be really bad if there was, you know, less and less snow.
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You know, I thought I was going to be assaulted, actually.
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And it's interesting that I was there with a really big Egyptian friend of mine.
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And that might be one of the reasons I wasn't attacked.
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I thought I was getting away from this dictatorial, you know, thought suppression.
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And so we have to be careful, you know, because our fathers and grandfathers and mothers, they
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We have to use that freedom by breaking the ice and asking questions that are really hard.
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And that's, of course, what we're doing here in Ottawa.
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And we're hoping to spread that out across Canada.
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Now, your climate change fact check is always so great because you go through some of the
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And they really are ridiculous when they're made.
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But the environmentalist left is always making ridiculous claims so much so that when they
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make them, you're just like, well, it's another crazy thing those cultists said.
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But you actually sat down, documented them, and debunked them along with some other organizations.
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The one that I really appreciate is this gas stoves and childhood asthma one.
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Because when you dig down on this, it's China behind it.
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Um, and I have a real tough time worrying about childhood asthma when the people who worked
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in collaboration to develop this study, um, still allow people to just open air, burn
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I mean, it's a genetic condition, and it's triggered by some sort of allergen.
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Okay, now the allergens could be things like pollen or dust or mold or pet band or things
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like that, you know, but gas stoves don't actually give out any pollen or, you know, dust or things
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like they actually give out things that could be serious as problems for pollution, if your
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Obviously, they give out carbon monoxide, nitrous oxide, things like that, nitrogen oxide, I should
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And if you don't have a properly, uh, service stove, yeah, you could actually emit some pollutants.
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But the bottom line is this whole claim of asthma.
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It doesn't make any sense because there are no allergens that are emitted from, from gas
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I think to a large extent, they're just trying to stop us using anything, fossil fuels of
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And, you know, now they're targeting our gas stoves.
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I mean, well, and this claim wouldn't be, uh, I mean, it's particularly outlandish.
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The problem is it fell on the ears of some very important people.
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So it was, um, the consumer product safety commissioner, Richard Trump guy is the guy who
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But when you look at the green group behind the study he cited, um, I think they're called
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the Rocky Mountain Institute, they partnered with China on, on this study, um, the, the
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free beacon, the free beacon dug into this and they said, well, where is this stupid study
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And they partnered with China to demonize Western fossil fuels.
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I didn't know that China had that connection, but I'm not surprised.
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I mean, the whole climate scare is hugely beneficial to them, you know, because we'll be shutting
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down more and more of our industry and we have to get, you know, import more and more
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The other thing, of course, Sheila, is that if we actually went to the, uh, just transition
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and I loved your interview with, um, Chris Sims from the Taxpayer Federation two weeks ago,
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It's, it's anything but just, but regardless, if we actually went to that and we really did
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the things that they want to do, we'd have more and more wind and solar power.
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We'd be more reliant on China for the raw materials, you know, and this is where I think
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many on the left who are, you know, good in their heart, they're ignorant with respect
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to the actual facts, but they really do want to help social justice and environmental protection.
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I mean, they simply don't understand that if you're making electric vehicles, for example,
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And that cobalt comes from tens of thousands of children mining in very dangerous and unhealthy
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They're breathing radioactive dust and, you know, very low technology.
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Easily, you could have lots of cave-ins and guess who runs the mines?
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And then China ships the cobalt to China and, uh, you know, they make batteries almost undoubtedly
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using very low conditions for slave labor, who knows what.
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So, I mean, this is a huge benefit to China, you know, and, and I should tell you one other
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And that is, how did I finally come over to climate realism?
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Because in 1990 and 1991, I was speaking at Earth Day here in Ottawa, and I was talking
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about how the space program actually helps us solve environmental problems.
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And the major thing I was talking about was something called comparative planetology, which
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means that we study the planets and we learn things, other planets, we learn things that
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And I actually had an article published in the Ottawa Citizen, and I made various points,
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But one point I said, in retrospect, was totally wrong.
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I said that Venus gives us a warning as to what could happen on the Earth if we have highly
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And a professor at Carleton University, Tim Patterson, he actually used my article in
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his course, but he said to the students, what happened on Venus cannot happen on the Earth,
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He liked the other parts of my article, but he said it cannot happen.
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For example, Venus has no oceans to absorb carbon dioxide, and it has no plate tectonics, which
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is important on Earth, because otherwise the CO2 that goes into the ocean and then eventually
00:28:30.660
is deposited by calcium carbonate into limestone in the base of the ocean, eventually the floor
00:28:36.880
of the ocean would become saturated, and that would be it.
00:28:40.840
But we have plate tectonics, so that plate pulls down into the ocean.
00:28:44.460
You get refreshed, new surface of the bottom of the ocean, which can then absorb more carbon
00:28:51.040
So because Venus is, first of all, much closer to the sun than us, that might have something
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So unlike the Earth, which cools down every 24 hours because we're facing away from the
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But also it has oceans and it has plate tectonics.
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So what happened on Venus simply cannot happen on the Earth, no matter how high CO2 goes.
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And at first I wondered, who's this climate change denier?
00:29:26.380
And he invited me into his lab and he showed me the research that he's doing.
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When you look at the geologic record, you don't see the CO2 temperature connection.
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In fact, what you do see is that CO2 was as much as 1,300% of today.
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Now, you know, they talk often about a 50% rise since 1880.
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And we know that's not because it was as much as 1,300% higher sometime in the last half
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And the thing that really struck out to me was 440 million years ago, the Earth was in
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its coldest period of the last half billion years.
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And we can only go back about a half a billion years because they use fossilized seashells.
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They grind them up and they analyze the oxygen isotopes in them.
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And they can actually tell what the kind of temperature was like.
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But regardless, so that's as far back as we can go, about at most 600 million years.
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So what we find is that at 440 million years ago, we were stuck in something much worse than
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And there are some scientists who believe that the Earth was covered totally, the oceans
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included, with ice at times during the ice house period.
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They were much colder than the glacials that we experienced in North America, let's say,
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And that was the coldest period in the geologic record.
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So, you know, talking to other geologists, Ian Clark at Ottawa U, you know, various geologists,
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these are the people that are never interviewed by Al Gore or by, you know, the various UN groups.
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They don't talk to the geologists because the geologists have a living record, a real record
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of what happened in the past when CO2 was much higher.
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And the truth is, there were times when CO2 was high and temperature was high.
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There are times when CO2 was high and temperature was low.
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And there are times when they're both in the middle.
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There's no correlation, except that occasionally you see it actually CO2 rising centuries after
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So in other words, it's a reverse correlation to what the UN are saying.
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If you take a glass of pop out of the fridge and you put it on the counter and you let it
00:31:54.780
warm up, it releases its carbon dioxide because carbon dioxide, you know, it can't hold as
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But generally speaking, there is no correlation.
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You can have all the computer models in the world that show that there's a positive feedback,
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that a little bit of warming is going to lead to a lot more and a lot more.
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But that doesn't happen in the real world, okay?
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In the real world, geologists know that there is no connection between, you know, it's not
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So when people actually say, well, what is the foundation of the climate scare if you're
00:32:49.460
But the real thing that's driving the climate scare is computerized climate models, okay?
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That's the only thing, because if you actually look at the data, and that's the whole point
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For example, there has been zero records set, extreme weather records set, in the entire
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Maximum temperature, minimum temperature, most rain, most snow, highest wind, biggest hailstone,
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So you've got hundreds and hundreds of records that could be set every year.
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So statistically, since they've had the records only since 1880, you have to say, well, then
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you'd expect to have three or four records set every year, because there's 50 states and
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And yet, NOAA, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, they say extreme weather is
00:33:53.720
driving, or climate change is driving extreme weather.
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So I did a search to find out, okay, what happened in the 1930s?
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It turns out in 1936, 1936 in the middle of the Dust Bowl, there were 27 state records set,
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27 in one year in comparison with zero last year.
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So here we have what is probably the best database in the world, and the facts don't match the
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They still charge ahead with these ridiculous computer models that in the last 30 years have
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forecast triple the warming that actually occurred.
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Now, I don't know about you, Sheila, but if I had a stockbroker who every time he made the
00:34:39.940
forecast, he was out by 300%, I think I'd change stockbrokers.
00:34:46.800
But again, like a cult, they just continue to put more faith in these people.
00:34:51.280
And they just, it's like they feel like they're not believing hard enough.
00:34:56.080
So if they just believe hard enough and force the rest of us to believe along with them,
00:35:00.580
that maybe their doomsday predictions will come to fruition.
00:35:04.080
And, you know, as you point out in your climate change fact check, it's so often, for some
00:35:09.020
reason, they use animals as their, I want to say their avatar of what they're up to.
00:35:19.480
For years, they've been saying, you know, like every time you see a sickly polar bear, that's
00:35:23.360
indicative of my comfortable SUV doing bad things to the climate, as though polar bears
00:35:28.820
don't get old and sick like every animal at the end of their life.
00:35:32.240
Um, and apparently they've found a reason to care about migratory birds, which is odd
00:35:37.840
because these are the people also putting up windmills.
00:35:43.700
And, and, you know, the polar bear situation is kind of interesting because in 1950, there
00:35:48.440
were about a quarter of the number of polar bears there are now.
00:35:55.660
You might remember Bob Carter was our science leader for a long time.
00:36:00.460
It's amazing, Sheila, how many of these characters are passing away now.
00:36:03.900
I mean, Dr. Ball, as we talked about last time, he passed away, sadly, about three or
00:36:09.500
And Dr. Jay Lair, he passed away on the 11th of January.
00:36:13.240
So, and the sad thing is we don't see the young scientists standing up and taking their
00:36:19.300
And I think it's partly because when I went through college and university, the climate
00:36:26.520
I mean, they were actually worried about global cooling.
00:36:28.520
You might remember Leonard Nimoy talking about the end of the world from global cooling.
00:36:35.240
But the people coming through university now are almost universally indoctrinated into the
00:36:41.520
So whether they actually believe it or they're just too frightened to actually say it, you
00:36:46.740
know, a friend of mine is a professor at Calgary University, and I won't say what field she's
00:36:54.540
But she signed an open letter to Stephen Harper when he was prime minister.
00:36:59.400
And I asked her, I said, do you have any knowledge or expertise in the causes of climate change?
00:37:07.400
I said, well, then why did you sign this open letter?
00:37:10.220
And she said, well, you know, the chairman signed it and I'm a junior professor.
00:37:19.420
First of all, a lot of the young scientists have been indoctrinated because they went through
00:37:27.880
And, you know, when she was going through the high school, for example, it was heavily
00:37:38.020
I think she said they had to watch it three times.
00:37:41.160
But, you know, I went into a parent teacher night and was sitting in her chair, you know,
00:37:47.740
And her biology teacher was talking and asking us if we had questions.
00:37:51.240
So I put up my hand and I said, oh, are you teaching both sides of the climate debate?
00:38:00.820
You know, she was like, so I said, whoa, OK, I won't say any more about this because
00:38:08.300
And actually, you know, that's the thing is I think many students who, like Tom McDonald,
00:38:13.040
are actually questioning, you know, a lot of these things.
00:38:17.780
But my little Arab friend, you know, the son of my friend, Hany, he asked me, he said, I'm
00:38:23.320
hearing all this loony stuff in high school about climate change.
00:38:31.880
Because, you know, you want to pass your grades.
00:38:34.320
So I think a lot of what's happened is that the students have come through and they either
00:38:38.840
believe it, even though they're scientists, you know, they maybe haven't dug into the data
00:38:42.900
or, in fact, they are too afraid to bring it up.
00:38:47.060
You know, even really smart people like Ian Clark at Ottawa University, he says point blank
00:38:52.440
that he used to support the climate scare until he dug into the data.
00:38:57.300
And then he came to realize, oh, this doesn't make any sense.
00:39:01.120
And so, you know, I really encourage people, you know, look at ICSC-climate.com, which is
00:39:07.680
the homepage of our ICSC primarily U.S. focus group.
00:39:11.480
And we have the climate fact check right there.
00:39:15.320
And if you disagree with what we've said, you know, send us an email and we'll share
00:39:20.280
with you all the data, et cetera, because the data just does not support the climate
00:39:25.920
We were interviewing Peter Ridd, who had all his troubles at James Cook University, because
00:39:30.400
he was, of course, disagreeing with political correctness on his specialty.
00:39:36.600
And he told us, actually, in our interview just a few weeks ago, he said, you realize we're
00:39:41.400
now measuring more coral on the Great Barrier Reef than we ever have, ever.
00:39:53.760
It's been rising gradually since the end of the last glacial.
00:39:56.680
There have been times when sea level rise was a problem.
00:40:00.720
If you go back 8,000 years ago, sea level was rising 10 times faster than today.
00:40:06.220
Today, it's seven to nine inches per century, that kind of thing.
00:40:09.820
Well, when it's rising 10 times that, it could be a serious problem.
00:40:17.500
So the whole point of this is that it's a cult.
00:40:21.140
The data does not support what they're saying, but it doesn't matter.
00:40:25.460
Yeah, and it's funny because you can see who is willing to talk about the science.
00:40:35.920
And then there's the, as Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science always puts it, the
00:40:42.460
We just want to show you why we think the way we do so that you understand us and where
00:40:49.520
And the other side doesn't even want to get there.
00:40:52.400
I mean, for Michelle, she's like, I'm not trying to convince anybody.
00:40:59.900
And I think a lot of grassroots conservatives agree with Michelle, because, you know, we
00:41:04.480
had a booth at the Strong and Free Networking Conference last year.
00:41:08.280
And, you know, we had a big poster saying there's no climate crisis.
00:41:14.000
And, you know, we had hundreds of grassroots conservatives, people who had science degrees,
00:41:18.820
people who didn't coming up to us and saying, yeah, you're really right.
00:41:24.440
Just down the hall, they had a special session about a conservative approach to stopping climate
00:41:31.280
And, of course, I was sitting in the front row and I was going to say, what the heck are
00:41:36.720
Well, of course, they were going to have a question period.
00:41:38.760
They may have seen me in the front row because, of course, they skipped a question period.
00:41:42.280
So I buttonholed the chairman of the whole session.
00:41:45.820
And I said to him, do you think that we're having dangerous human-caused climate change?
00:41:51.900
So I said, well, then why do you have a session on a conservative solution to a problem you
00:42:02.540
So we're trying to minimize the damage by advocating things like the conservatives say,
00:42:17.120
It says, we believe that an effective international emissions reduction regime on climate change
00:42:22.560
must be truly global and include binding targets, et cetera, et cetera.
00:42:30.920
OK, now, I don't believe anything's changed because Pierre Polyev, during his run to be
00:42:36.320
leader of the Conservative Party, I attended several of his presentations.
00:42:39.860
He was saying we have to have sequestration storing carbon dioxide underground.
00:42:48.080
You know, it's just going to increase electricity costs.
00:42:50.200
Essentially, carbon sequestration means no coal because coal becomes too expensive then.
00:43:01.700
He wants people to be pushed off of coal onto natural gas.
00:43:06.460
But to a certain extent, using natural gas where you could use coal is kind of a reverse
00:43:15.060
It's turning gold into lead because you can actually get baseload power very solid from
00:43:21.140
coal and save your natural gas for home heating, for pharmaceuticals, for its special uses.
00:43:27.500
And, you know, so I'm, you know, really sad that, in fact, the Conservative, the grassroots
00:43:34.160
Their leaders are not standing up and say, look, this whole thing is wrong.
00:43:41.460
You know, this is the Non-Governmental International Panel on Climate Change report.
00:43:48.140
Why aren't the Conservatives holding that up and saying this whole thing is bunk?
00:43:54.080
People forget that Donald Trump got elected as a climate skeptic.
00:43:59.640
But Stephen Harper, somewhat before he became prime minister, had said the whole thing, Kyoto,
00:44:10.440
So the whole idea that you have to, you know, basically become a useful idiot and support the
00:44:20.720
And where has all their mitigating the damage gotten us?
00:44:25.140
No pipelines, no coal, and a carbon tax that makes life in Canada so expensive that we're
00:44:34.060
So all of their capitulating and trying to mitigate the damage in the last 10 years, what
00:44:42.240
And, you know, you did that interview with Chris Sims.
00:44:44.580
It was wonderful because you showed the real cost of what happens when you capitulate to
00:44:53.440
And, you know, it's about darn time that the Conservatives started to use the available
00:45:06.360
But I want to make this easy for the viewer to watch and listen to.
00:45:13.320
Tom, how do people find your work and support the important work that you're doing?
00:45:18.100
Because you are one of literally a palmful, not even a handful, a palmful of independent
00:45:25.000
groups trying to provide some counterbalance to the prevailing climate scare nonsense of
00:45:32.380
People should go to icsc-canada.com for the Canadian version.
00:45:38.120
And that's, of course, the one that I'm speaking most to Canadians about, because we rely entirely
00:45:42.960
on donations, whether it's five bucks or five thousand bucks.
00:45:49.920
We need your support because we're going to do a lot more of this as as the time unfolds.
00:45:54.980
We're going to be actually trying to do what we did in Ottawa in other cities.
00:45:58.840
Calgary being a good target with your eighty seven billion dollar climate plan and insane
00:46:07.640
So, yeah, donate because without your money, we can't do it.
00:46:12.020
Well, Tom, thank you so much for your hard work on this and just bringing some sanity and
00:46:18.000
And again, back to the theme of this being a cult.
00:46:21.380
Is the carbon tax anything but a tithe to the weather gods?
00:46:27.320
I mean, it's going to do nothing to stop climate change, even if you believe the U.N.'s
00:46:35.080
Canada's one point six percent of world emissions.
00:46:37.260
So what if we could disappear, it would make no difference.
00:46:40.460
But if you understand that the whole thing is a hoax, then indeed you realize the carbon
00:46:57.460
We'll have you back on the show very, very soon.
00:47:01.500
Well, friends, this is the portion of the show where we go looking for your viewer
00:47:14.420
I probably sound like a broken record, but I actually care about what you think about
00:47:17.200
the work that we're doing here at Rebel News and the stories that we cover and the people
00:47:21.460
And so here's when I give out my email address at Sheila at Rebel News dot com.
00:47:25.860
Put gun show letters in the subject line so that I can find it because I do get sometimes
00:47:30.720
hundreds of emails a day and it gets a little difficult to weed through.
00:47:35.300
But don't hesitate to leave a comment on one of the platforms where you're watching us like
00:47:42.480
Even though YouTube is a censorship platform, sometimes I do go looking for comments in their
00:47:48.860
Um, just because YouTube is bad, well, that doesn't really mean the people who watch things
00:47:55.960
So if you're watching the free version of the show, just leave a comment there and I'll
00:47:59.960
Well, tonight's letter comes to me by a very staunch supporter of us here at Rebel News
00:48:07.620
and a supporter of my work at Rebel News, in particular, a regular viewer of the gun show
00:48:16.000
It's Bruce from Radway, Alberta, and his cat Delta, who Bruce always signs off his emails
00:48:23.680
to me, um, with a special greeting from his cat.
00:48:27.280
And, uh, Bruce writes me saying, I loved your interview with Corey Morgan.
00:48:32.240
Now, Corey Morgan is a columnist with the Western Standard and he has a brand new book.
00:48:38.940
And the book examines the problem of taking a people who loosely have a common idea and
00:48:48.780
getting them to sort of all march in the same direction.
00:48:52.320
But the problem with this common group of people with a common idea is that they don't
00:48:57.560
like to do things in groups and the reason, and their common idea is they don't like being
00:49:01.680
told what to do by anybody, but especially Ottawa.
00:49:04.960
So it's sort of antithetical to these people to organize them all going in the same direction.
00:49:12.640
And so his book, The Sovereintist Handbook, examines the common goals of people who may
00:49:18.980
describe themselves as sovereigntists or separatists or independence-minded people and
00:49:23.920
how to, how to advance the movement and to maybe proselytize the movement a little bit
00:49:31.020
so that they can, well, it's frankly, it's an, it's a normalized philosophy here in Alberta,
00:49:37.100
but how do they get legislative and policy change?
00:49:41.080
Now, Bruce writes, Corey's right, that now is not the time for Alberta to become independent.
00:49:46.400
But if Daniel Smith, that's our new premier, goes rogue on us again, that will be the time
00:49:50.500
we can call for independence from the ball and chain that is Ottawa, you know, that is
00:49:53.820
For a lot of people who would describe themselves as Western independence people, a lot of them
00:50:06.900
And she's put it into legislation that it is the duty of the province to fight back against
00:50:12.580
Ottawa anytime that Ottawa encroaches on provincial jurisdiction.
00:50:17.340
And for a lot of people, that's all they ever wanted, something more intangible than previous
00:50:25.180
premier Jason Kenney's strongly worded letters to Justin Trudeau that you definitely know Justin
00:50:33.340
But as with the previous premier Jason Kenney, who seemed quite freedom-minded and strong in the
00:50:43.240
beginning, always prepare yourselves to be let down by politicians because that is indeed
00:50:51.140
Bruce also writes, also with the Thorhild County land use bylaw, it was defeated and is going
00:51:00.700
So, if you are in Albertan, and I know people outside of Alberta watch the show and I thank you
00:51:07.180
for that, but Thorhild County is a county just to the north of me, very, very rural, very sparsely
00:51:14.000
populated, just a couple of what I would legally call hamlets, but they're really not even
00:51:25.480
And the county itself, which is an enormous county with almost no people, and it's largely
00:51:32.720
agricultural, they decided to do a land use bylaw rewrite.
00:51:39.780
And from what I understand, although I can't confirm it, and I can get to the reason for that
00:51:44.000
in a second, there were some really crazy urbanist things shoehorned into it.
00:51:49.640
And from what I understand, the company involved in the rewrite is a company based in India that
00:51:56.380
works normally with large municipalities, or at least municipalities that have something
00:52:02.300
resembling a town, which is not really Thorhild County.
00:52:06.520
Like I said, they have a couple of hamlets, and that's it.
00:52:09.920
And I went looking the other day after I saw that the land use bylaw had been defeated after
00:52:15.760
public outrage, and the outrage spread outside of Thorhild County because other rural people
00:52:21.980
said, oh my God, what are they trying to tell us?
00:52:28.000
Are they going to tell me that I have to ask permission before I can put chickens on
00:52:32.800
my farm or put barbed wire up or other things that I have heard were in this bill or the
00:52:42.440
And I went looking for it because I wanted to confirm the things that I had heard and
00:52:53.220
So the proposed one, I can't go looking to see what caused the outrage.
00:52:59.660
Now I can find the 2015 bylaw that the county is operating under right now, and it looks
00:53:06.560
I don't know why they had to rewrite it, but they did, and they hired an outside firm to
00:53:15.980
If you're rewriting it, can't I see the original draft?
00:53:20.100
The good news is I filed for access for it, and I've also gone looking for a contract
00:53:28.440
If indeed they contracted with this foreign company, I can't really tell right now.
00:53:33.700
I want to know how much Thorhild County paid, if anything, to a foreign company to rewrite
00:53:40.680
the land use bylaws for farmers in this rural community in Alberta.
00:53:46.440
Because I want to make sure it never happens again.
00:53:52.260
And frankly, I think Thorhild County knows that, which is why I can't find a copy of the
00:53:59.260
Anyway, I will stay on the case, although it may seem like I'm not working on it.
00:54:03.680
I am quietly but furiously working on it in the background.
00:54:06.460
Thanks for the letter, Bruce, and thank you, Delta.
00:54:13.620
Thank you, Jessie, by the way, my producer, who works really hard behind the scenes to
00:54:22.440
Well, I'll see you back here in the same time, in the same place next week.
00:54:26.740
And remember, as always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.