SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Canadian Postmodernism and Bad Green Policies
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Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada joins me to talk about postmodernism and modern environmentalism, and how they go hand-in-hand, and why they're both a complete waste of time and money.
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How modern environmentalism ties into post-modernist nonsense. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed,
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Municipal politics are a virtue-signaling mess, and that seems to hold true in every major city
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and municipality in this beautiful country. For example, the city of Edmonton is putting acres
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upon acres of solar panels in our beautiful river valley to power a water treatment plant for just a
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couple of hours each day, while some of the cleanest burning coal on the face of the earth
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sits just west of the city, unused, unloved, unwanted. The city of Ottawa has a $60 billion
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climate change plan, and politicians there just dedicated $1 billion to electric buses with,
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I guess, complete and total disregard for the unreliability of 100% electric vehicles in Canada's
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frigid northern climate. The natural question, then, is why is any of this happening? Why are Canadian
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cities, and really cities around the world, pursuing these bizarre green virtue-signaling goals that,
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at the end of the day, have no impact on greenhouse gas emissions? If you care about those sorts of
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things, and if you're a regular watcher, you know that I really don't. Well, my guest today is an
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avid watcher of bad green policies, bad green politicians making bad green policies, and he's
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got some theories about applied postmodernism and how this new age social science has overtaken the
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application of real science. So joining me tonight to discuss how feelings about climate overtook the
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facts of climate is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada in an interview we
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Joining me now from his home in Ottawa is my friend Tom Harris from the International Climate Science
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Coalition, Canada. Tom, you and I were talking off camera, and I know this isn't on the list of
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things that we were going to talk about. But I did a story this week about how CBC censors their
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comment section. And you have your own experience with the censorship of the CBC. Can you just give
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us a brief Coles Notes version of that? Because, you know, they are, you know, they're supposed to be
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the voice of Canadians. I'm pretty sure that's why we give them over a billion dollars every year,
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but they sure don't want to hear from all of us. No, that's for sure. And in particular, you know,
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right around the time when they had the riots in Washington, D.C., people were on the web saying,
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you know, Donald Trump has done everything wrong. And I said, well, actually, no. And here's quite a
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list. I gave them a list of 16 things that he'd done really well. Okay. And among those things are
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bringing the troops home, of course, and trying to prevent American companies from indirectly helping the
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Chinese military. He'd done, you know, lots and lots of good things, getting out of the Paris
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Agreement, things like that. Well, of course, the CBC moderators, really censors, immediately took my
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post off the web. And so people then would get on into the comments section and say, oh, you can't
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list a single thing. I'd say, yes, I can. Here they are, 16. Boom, it's just immediately deleted. And,
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you know, this is a trend that I've seen with the CBC on other issues, too. I mean,
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about a year ago, I was putting in some postings, actually, a particular posting. I made a video
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about why the lockdowns were a big mistake. I put it up on YouTube. I got about 500 views,
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not a lot, but still, it was fun. And I put a link to it on the CBC's website in their comments section,
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and it followed all their guidelines. They say they do welcome, you know, alternative points of view,
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and you can have links to external sites as long as, you know, there isn't hate speech and things like
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that. And of course, they took it off right away. So I wrote to the CBC, you know, in both cases,
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and I said, you know, what's going on? Like, I'm not breaking your community standards. Why is it
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being deleted? The only kind of answer I got was from audience relations saying it was completely
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correct to remove your posting. So I'd say, well, why is it completely correct? No answer. And this is
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a typical trend of what we're seeing in the CBC. I mean, the point of having a public broadcaster is
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supposed to be, you know, unbiased coverage of news, in which we can hear both sides of stories,
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and people can make their own mind up as to what they agree with. But the CBC is not doing that. I
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mean, they're completely violating their mandate, which is supposedly to give unbiased news for Canada.
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Instead, they have a woke progressive mentality that allows them to simply delete without explanation,
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points of view that are different to what they want to promote. And from that point of view,
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I don't see the point in even continuing to fund the CBC. I mean, I've noticed your t-shirt defund the
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CBC. I couldn't agree more, because they are violating their whole raison d'être. You know,
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they simply are not doing what we're paying them to do. It's fascinating to hear your experience,
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because I had a version of your experience in black and white, how CBC censors their comment
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section, and they have a specific host of policies around President Trump, or they did at the time,
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especially with regard to the riots. So they said in their comment section, you know,
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that they would be deleting things that were fact checking the CBC stories on Trump. So when
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CBC publishes a story saying Trump incited the riots, and if one of the commenters posted a link
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saying, well, here's what he actually said, they would delete that. And you lived that experience
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in real time. That's very interesting for me to hear. Well, you know, the CBC and I have been at
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Oz for quite a long time. I mean, right back to the days when the space shuttle blew up in 1986. And
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that's what got me into journalism, actually, to the degree I do it, because the CBC were attacking
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NASA for not launching the space shuttle with the frequency of the Ariane unmanned rocket. But of
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course, the unmanned rockets, if they blow up, all they do is cost a lot of money. And the CBC were
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attacking them completely unreasonably. And NASA eventually did yield to media pressure, not just
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the CBC, of course, but all over North America. And they launched under conditions the engineers said
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were dangerous. And then, of course, the CBC and the others immediately attacked NASA for launching
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under those conditions. So, I mean, I realized at that point, with such a biased mainstream media,
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I had to get into media because my specialty was aerospace engineering at the time. And to start to write
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actually what's true. But the CBC, I mean, I've had so many conflicts with them over that, over climate
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change, over anti-Americanism. I mean, it goes on and on. I mean, they have a mandate that,
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to me, should not be supported by the public. Oh, that's the thing. Publish whatever you want.
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I don't care. I just don't want to pay for it. Tom, I wanted to talk to you about something that's
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happening pretty close to home for you, the City of Ottawa. They've got a, as these things tend to be,
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enormously expensive climate plan that is going to put the taxpayer on the hook for, sounds like $60
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billion. Yeah, exactly. They have a plan to hit net zero by 2050. Net zero, of course, is practically
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the same as saying zero greenhouse gas emissions. Zero people also. Well, what in fact they do is in
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calculating net emissions is they actually look at things that are used to take carbon dioxide out
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of the air, too. And they subtract that from the amount that we're emitting so that you end up with
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a net zero. But it's pretty close to simply going to 100 percent renewables and getting entirely off
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fossil fuels. And they want to spend almost $60 billion by the year 2050 to go to net zero by 2050.
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And it's really quite incredible, Sheila, if you actually look at what that number represents.
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I mean, the city's annual budget is $3.94 billion. So $60 billion is about 14 and a half times their
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current total annual budget. And they want to spend this on this loopy idea that Ottawa can help stop
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climate change. I mean, the whole of Ontario is one half of one percent of world emissions. I don't
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know what Ottawa is, but it's probably like one tenth of one percent. It's just trivial. And you know,
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it's interesting because here are some of the things that would have to be done to meet the
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hundred percent scenario in the electricity sector. We would have to have in Ottawa alone,
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we'd have to have 36 square kilometers of solar photovoltaic panels on rooftops. 36 square kilometers.
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Now that's 40 percent of what the whole of Ontario currently has. But here's the killer. And this
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is something that Catherine McKenna, our MP from Ottawa, and of course, previous environment minister,
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she should be really opposed to this. They want to have, to meet this target, 710 large-scale turbines.
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Now, these turbines, these wind turbines are huge, 160 meters in height. And that's in comparison with,
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let's say, the Peace Tower, which is 98 meters in height, okay? So we're talking about not twice as
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high, but pretty close to twice as high as the Peace Tower. And they want 710 of these turbines. I mean,
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in Denmark, you can walk from one side of the country to the other and never lose sight of a wind turbine.
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These huge wind turbines, some of them up to 60 stories high. And you sure don't want to live
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near one because, of course, they produce infrasound, which goes right through your wall
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and causes all kinds of problems for people. But if Ottawa had 710 of these huge turbines,
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you'd never lose sight of a dozen of them anywhere in the city. They would be everywhere, you know? So,
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I mean, Catherine McKenna and others should be vehemently opposed to these. And of course,
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the whole idea that wind and solar are environmentally friendly is completely ridiculous.
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I mean, these are bird blenders. I mean, they kill millions of birds across the year,
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across the world. And in fact, even more bats because a bat only has to fly behind the turbine blade
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where the low pressure zone, that low pressure bursts their lungs. So you find that, in fact,
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twice as many bats are killed than birds by industrial wind turbines. So you see experts in these fields,
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conservation who are vehemently opposed to wind turbines. But, you know, the Ottawa plan is
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completely crazy because they also don't talk about what are you going to do with all the turbine
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blades when they wear out in the 15 to 20 years. The same thing with the solar panels. I mean,
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there is no plan currently for disposing of these things. And of course, we're going to have to,
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if they only last 15 to 20 years by 2050, we're going to be on our second generation of all these.
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So they're going to have to take them all down, all 710 huge wind turbines, all the 36 square
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kilometers of solar panels. They're going to have to take them all down and somehow do something with
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them. So, you know, the whole plan is completely loony and it's led to another plan and that is their
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buses. Okay. They want to have, and I'll just read it here, 450 battery powered buses.
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They're planning to roll it out over five years and it's going to cost almost a billion dollars
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for these buses. And I don't know about you, but I find Ottawa is kind of a cold place in the winter.
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And, you know, battery manufacturers tell us that the lithium ion batteries that are in these buses
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actually don't operate so well at low temperature. And we've already seen that, you know, like in
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Germany, in Berlin, we had a last year alone, 23 electric buses broke down in the cold weather
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because their batteries gave out. And, and, you know, if you actually look at the manufacturer's
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statistics about these batteries, they tell you point blank that there's a big problem when they're
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operated in very low temperatures. For example, you know, you see the range of batteries when the
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temperature drops from 10 degrees Celsius, which it could be on a very warm winter day to minus six,
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which is still not cold by Ottawa standards. The electric bus ranges dropped by 38%.
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And it's funny because in Berlin, where it was only about minus 10, they found that these electric
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buses were supposed to have a range of 130 kilometers, but the batteries ran out halfway
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through their trip. So we're going to leave people stranded on street corners all over Ottawa
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at minus 20 degrees. Oh, and we better be rescued by the old, you know, internal combustion engine
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buses. Let's hope we don't throw them out because we're going to need them to back up all these stupid
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battery buses. You know, it's so crazy, but it's not Ottawa. Like I think most of the bad ideas
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in this country come from Ottawa in one form or another, but it's not just Ottawa. I mean, Edmonton
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with their stupid solar panel farm in the river Valley to produce like a fraction of the energy
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to run one water treatment facility during the day in optimal weather conditions. How does this thing work
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in the winter when we have no daylight at all? And it's going, and they are putting it in this
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environmentally fragile area of our river Valley. And yet these are the same people who say,
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oh no, no, we can't have a pipeline. It might leak. And I'm looking at these horrible solar panels
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thinking they're pretty fragile. They don't have the monitoring system that pipelines have.
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Um, they're toxic to begin with and you're sticking them in the river Valley, the river Valley and for
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nothing like for it to produce like a virtue signaling ounce of energy every single day.
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Well, that's right. And in fact, it's a terrible way to do virtue signaling because,
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you know, wind and solar power in their own ways are the most environmentally damaging
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energy sources on the planet. I mean, if you look at, for example, rare, where the rare earth supply is
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mostly coming from, I mean, it's coming from countries like China. And in fact, in particular,
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Mongolia, which is where most of a lot of the world's rare earths. And by the way, I should
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point out the rare earths are needed in the super magnets at the top of the wind turbines.
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Okay. To get reasonable amounts of electricity out. So we really, we don't need them, but we would
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like to have them. Otherwise they give out even less electricity, but, but it's really interesting
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because where they mine rare earths, for example, in inner Mongolia, uh, they're causing incredible
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environmental destruction. And I have a number here. That's pretty amazing. The China ministry
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of industry and information technology estimated that the cleanup costs in the Jiangxi province.
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Okay. This is where they mine these things is going to cost $5.5 billion. Now, of course,
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that's just clean up from one particular region for the mining of rare earths. And, you know,
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I encourage people to have a look at Michael Moore's film. I don't generally don't promote
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my stuff, but he did a film called planet of the humans and over about a two or three
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minute span and speed it up action. He shows why wind and solar power are so incredibly damaging to
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the planet. He doesn't focus on birds and bats, but he shows where the materials come from that are
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used to make these things. You know, another example, our transition metals, like, um, like cobalt,
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cobalt comes typically from the Congo in Africa. And believe it or not, not only do they use
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essentially slave labor, but they're essentially using child slave labor. They have 10 year olds
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crawling into small spaces in mines to pull out the cobalt. So when you're driving a Tesla or some
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other vehicle that is using transition minerals or rare earths, you're indirectly supporting child
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slave labor in other countries. And of course, terrible environmental controls. And that's why,
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in my opinion, wind and solar, when you look at the overall picture, are the most environmentally
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damaging energy sources on the planet. You know, as you were talking about, uh, Ottawa, I was thinking,
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you know, these, if they do ever put up those wind turbines, they're not going to go in the city of
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Ottawa. They're going to go in the unfortunate rural people's property all around Ottawa. And
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it's, it's environmental colonialism. And this from the side of the political argument that literally
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won't shut up about colonialism. And that kind of takes me to the next thing that I want to talk to
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you about, because you have some, I think, pretty solid theories about where this is all coming from.
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Yes, exactly. You know, we have to realize that most of the heads of the environmental movement
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are bachelors of arts. They're people with degrees in history and philosophy and not scientists.
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That's weird. No, you virtually never see somebody with a degree in engineering heading up a climate
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activist group, which is a shame because, well, I guess they'd quit the job because they realize
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how ridiculous. But, but, um, what you have is a lot of BA graduates and you have to look at what
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were they indoctrinated with as they went through their bachelor programs? Well, in the last few
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decades, a new form, a new philosophy has come to surface, excuse me, which is called postmodernism.
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And postmodernism is a very weird sort of philosophy. What they do is they reject the fundamentals of the
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enlightenment. Now, what it boils down to is the enlightenment, excuse me. There we go. Must be
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my allergies. The enlightenment actually started, you know, 17th, 18th century from Europe, where in
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fact, what was promoted was reason for making decisions based on evidence and a respect for
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alternative points of view and debate to try to find compromises where people would actually come up
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with the best solutions for your society. And, you know, it didn't mean that there were always
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peaceful, these discussions, but generally speaking in universities, if you go back 50 years ago, you
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find that people wanted to come to good, solid conclusions based on reason with true empirical
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evidence, real observational data. But, you know, in the 1960s, there was a new movement which started in
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the art, actually in art, you know, actually paintings called postmodernism. And postmodernism did some
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very weird things. They rejected the fundamentals of the enlightenment. They said that we should be
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actually making decisions not based on reason or evidence at all. It should be based on things like
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feelings and things like, you know, what sort of identity group you're in. And that is, in fact,
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what indeed came up in the 80s, 90s, because postmodernism basically said there were no truths. There were no
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truths at all. And if it feels good, do it. Yeah. But it was more of a theoretical thing that was just
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in the universities. So you sort of shrug and say, oh, well, they're always going to examine really
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crazy stuff. But what happened was that postmodernism became applied. They started to apply it to things
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like racism. And of course, that led to critical race theory, which essentially says that the only people
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who can be racist are white people. And the only people who can be sexist are, in fact, men. So I
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mean, postmodernism leads to this really weird social justice theory, capital SJ. It's not social
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justice in the sort of normal sense, where you think that, you know, we want to help poor people,
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we want to help disadvantaged people. Social justice with a capital SJ is a new thing that is based on
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postmodernism. It's essentially, from what I understand, it's a form of applied postmodernism.
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And there's a really outstanding book that is just being published. I just finished it,
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actually. And I'll hold up. It's on Audible right now. It's called Cynical Theories. Cynical
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Theories is a really outstanding explanation of how the left have been completely bamboozled
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by these postmodern people. What's happening is that postmodernism is becoming the sort of
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doctrine of the day, especially for universities, where people are being taught this really
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wacko theory that rejects the whole foundations of the Enlightenment, that you don't make decisions
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based on evidence. You base your decisions on things like identity politics. In other words,
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it doesn't matter so much what you say. It matters more who you are, whether you're a black, you know,
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a black woman, for example, would have more credibility, more significance in the debate
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than much of what you were actually saying. Now, this is indeed the kind of situation that the heads
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of today's environmental movement were inculcated with when they went through university. So you see it
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all the time. I mean, I saw a debate the other day from James Taylor of the Heartland Institute
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with environmentalists, and he was showing that virtually every single one of their charges about
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climate change, you know, more hurricanes, it's not true. You know, sea level rising beyond
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comprehension, it's not true. Polar bears is three times as many now as there were in 1960s,
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temperatures only risen a degree since 1880. James was bringing up all these true facts about climate,
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but it didn't matter. The environmentalists were still, you know, passionately absorbed with their
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philosophy, their emotions, their feelings. And that is indeed what is driving postmodernism.
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And as I say, it's really a very big danger to our society because you're seeing it, for example,
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censoring people to cancel culture. They are not open to debate. They think, and this sounds really
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nutty, you got to read this book to really understand it. They think that even debate using reason,
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and logical, you know, arguments with evidence and empirical data, that that in itself is not woke,
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okay? That is not the way to come to conclusions, because they think that the whole concept of
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rational debate based on reason with empirical evidence is something that was originated by white
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male Westerners. And so as a consequence, the whole system is, it's completely corrupted,
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it's unable to come to any social justice type conclusions. And, you know, it's a hard thing to
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explain because postmodernism, especially applied most postmodernism is not only very dangerous,
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it's also quite difficult to figure out. You know, and I was corresponding last night with Dr. Patrick
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Keeney, who's a visiting scholar at the Center for Multiculturalism and Education Policy in Thailand
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at the University of Chiang Mai. And here's what he said. And this is a quote from his email,
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and he said I could quote it on air, because I think it's really important that people understand
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what is driving this totally wacko environmental extremism. I mean, if you look at Ottawa's plan,
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it is really crazy. Yeah. So what's driving it? Well, it's, it's environmental postmodernism,
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essentially. And I'll read to you what he said to me. I think that environmental extremism
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is anti enlightenment, anti enlightenment, and illiberal, and an excellent example of applied
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postmodernism. The Greta Thunbergs of the world have little time for actual science, which is always
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defensible or defeasible, and open to correction, interpretation, etc. The climate activists,
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or at least a significant portion of them, are on a crusade to redeem the world, which is readily
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divisible into believers and non believers. In their understanding, one is either a saint or a sinner,
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there's nothing in between. Increasingly, we seem to think that the science around any topic is settled,
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so there's no need for debate. And by the way, that is a common ingredient of postmodernism,
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and in particular, applied postmodernism. They will not debate. You are wrong, they are right,
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and that's all there is to it. The science is settled. Even in their mantra, it shows up. And
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it's funny, because you talked about social justice. And as you were talking, I was furiously scribbling it
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down. Social justice in the traditional sense is, you know, you help people until there are fewer
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people left to help. And hopefully, one day, there will be no people left to help. But postmodern
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social justice, the big S, big J, it's not about helping people. It's actually about creating victim
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classes of people who feel helpless. You can't help them, because you've told them that they are
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helpless, they are oppressed. And so there's no help to give them. Well, that's right. And you know,
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people on the left have got to realize, it's interesting, the authors of this book
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are people from the left. And what they're recognizing is that while, let's say, in the
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United States, Democrats used to, on occasion, work with Republicans to come up with compromises,
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what's happened is the progressive left have moved much further left. And they're now allying
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themselves with these postmodern people. And you know, true liberals, I mean, people who support
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classical liberalism, people who support the idea of, you know, open debate among alternative points
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of view, I don't mean liberal party people, I mean, classical liberalism, they have to realize that
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this postmodernism, especially applied postmodernism is vehemently against liberal values. I mean, as it
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says here, lip, you know, this doctor, I was reading to you previously, he writes, liberalism favors universal
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human values and human dignity, while postmodernism favors group identity and victimhood, just like you
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were saying, liberalism encourages disagreement and debate as a means of securing the truth. At the
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same time, postmodernism rejects these as merely reinforcing the dominant discourse and rejects the
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notion of the truth, insisting that we can only discover our personal truth, that it all varies depending
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on the person's feelings. Liberalism accepts that the statements can correspond to reality,
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while these other people, they say that words, words can ever, they deny that words can ever
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correspond to reality. So it's all a language game in their eyes. Yeah. And that's why they focus so hard
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on their version of 1984 is news speak, you know, how you refer to things to them defines those things.
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My truth, my truth. People have got to learn about this, because this is what's driving,
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not just the extreme environmentalism, but the critical race theory, post-colonial,
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all kinds of things are being driven by this. And I'll tell you, our society, especially in the
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universities is being ruined. Well, Tom, I'm so glad that you recognize this. And you're
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articulated in such a way that, as you were talking, light bulbs are just going off in my head.
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Um, you know, when, when they say the science is settled, well, that's because they're debating
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with emotion and there's no science in emotion, you know, like you and I could say whatever,
00:31:00.100
whatever true facts there are, none of it matters to them. Now, Tom, um,
00:31:05.540
there's a wasp in my studio and it's probably going to bite me.
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You probably, uh, Tom, I wanted to give you a chance to let everybody know where they can
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find the very important work that you're doing, but also support the very important work that
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you're doing because unlike these huge environmental organizations, you're not that you don't have
00:31:29.300
these deep pocketed us foundations, dumping money on you. You're just a little grassroots guy
00:31:34.500
grinding it out to change things. Yeah, that's right. Well, we did, we had a contractor do some
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research. Um, you know, a group of us a few, uh, about a year ago, looking at what is it that's
00:31:44.820
really driving the climate scare. And we decided that what was necessary to oppose it was to create
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a new nonprofit in Canada, which we call international climate science coalition,
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Canada, and people can check it out on the web at ICSC dash Canada.com. And we'll be actually
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promoting the idea that governments should not be focused on trying to stop climate change,
00:32:05.940
which of course is ridiculous. They should focus on adapting to climate change as it occurs and get
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ready for what's inevitably going to happen. So people can support us. If you go to ICSC dash
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Canada.com and, uh, you know, in a couple of weeks, you're going to see some interesting results
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what we're going to be attacking because a lot of what's going on in Ottawa is about to spread
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across the country. If we don't stop it here. Well, that's great. And we'll have you back on to, uh,
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announce what you're planning to do next. You've given me a hint and I think, uh,
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our rebel viewers and supporters are going to love it. Uh, Tom, thank you so much for making the time
00:32:41.700
to come on the show. I know you and I are both up against the clock. Um, but we will have you back
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on very, very soon. Just a couple of weeks. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Tom. Bye-bye.
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Friends, this is a drum beat that I play all the time, but major municipalities, particularly here in
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Alberta are approaching election season again. So I think it needs to be said one more time.
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Local politics are the ones that affect you most and first, and yet conservatives, we rarely focus
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on municipal politics the way we should. Our local municipal politicians are just as good as our federal
00:33:45.780
and provincial ones at wasting your money on dumb ideas. We have to not only hold them to account,
00:33:52.740
but we also have to find some good conservatives to replace these bad liberals. Well, everyone,
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that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here
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at the same time in the same place. Well, maybe not the same place, who knows where I'll be,
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don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.