SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Challenging the federal leadership hysteria over climate change
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On this week's show, Sheila Gunn-Reed and Michelle Sterling of the Friends of Science join me to talk about the other side of the climate crisis, biofuels, and the future of the world's food supply.
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The federal leaders debate seemed to be five people standing on a stage just arguing over
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who's going to put an end to fossil fuel usage and development first. But does that sense of
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irrational urgency about a climate doomsday even align with what the UN is saying these days?
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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Oh hi everybody. I literally quite literally just ran in the door after my old friend Fossil Fuels
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helped me make the long journey from Regina back to my home base here east of Fort Saskatchewan. You
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see we're back out there in the world. We were in Regina for a rebel news event where we
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re-platformed world-renowned sustainability expert and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr. Patrick Moore
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after a bunch of censorious busybodies had him cancelled as a speaker for a city of Regina
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sustainability conference. You see Dr. Patrick Moore doesn't think that there's some sort of
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climate catastrophe upon us. You see he's a climate heretic I guess. But the thing is the
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United Nations doesn't even seem to think that there's a climate catastrophe looming around
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the very next corner for humanity. The latest IPCC report, so that's the Intergovernmental Panel
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on climate change. Well that latest report has dialed back the overheated climate scare we keep being
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warned about. Although you wouldn't know it if you get all your news from the mainstream media or if you
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had tuned into the federal leaders debate where five leaders, well three mainstream party leaders and two
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fringe party leaders, were basically tripping over themselves to terminate oil and gas jobs quicker.
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So joining me tonight to do what she does best, what she always does, and that's cut through the hysteria
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and the hyperbole, to give us the straight facts is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.
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So joining me now from her cabin in the woods is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.
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Michelle, before we get into the meat and potatoes of all the things that we're going to talk about,
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we have a mutual friend with a brand new project where he tells the other side of the story and
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that's why I love Morine Pools. He comes from the left so he comes by all of this honestly. He doesn't
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see things through a lens of ideology but he's got a brand new movie out and why don't you tell us a
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little bit about it? Well actually I just learned about it this morning and but it sounds very
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interesting. He talks with a fellow named Alex Pohl who was a green banker and decided to like
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abandon that crazy grifter world and he moved off to some northern spot in Sweden only to find that
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they're going to put a wind farm right next to his little quiet enclave there and so he and Morine are
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doing this program called Headwind and it was slated for release at the end of September but I
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understand it's going to be on YouTube September 15th so that's this week's so yay another Morine
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Pools film. Yeah you know I love Morine because he looks at the flip side like the other side of
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green energy and one of the things that I found very fascinating was when he looked at the other
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side of biofuels and you and I were talking about this online last night. Morine talked about how the
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shift away from conventional energy, reliable energy, fossil fuel energy towards biofuels actually
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takes up a large swath of arable land that we should be growing local foodstuffs with and you had
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told me an interesting fact that you can plot the price of corn because it's one of those you know
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portable foodstuffs that people in the developing world rely on and when corn is used for biofuel it
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drives up the cost of corn and you can actually see where civil unrest is going to occur based on the
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price of corn. Right this comes from research by the New England Complex Systems Institute, NEXI as it's
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called and they did quite a detailed analysis and it began back in I think about 2010 when they began
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this project but they were tracking world food prices, the price of corn, the biofuel program which
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in the states is really huge you know corn ethanol is a huge huge renewable product in the states
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but that policy moved about six megatons of corn off world markets which caused
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the price of corn to rise. So when we look at the refugee crisis around the world and the civil
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unrest like the so-called Arab Spring, the Arab Spring was really more about the fact that food
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prices were going up and no jobs were available and so this is what's happening in many places of the
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world and they could actually track where the next civil unrest would be based on the on the price of
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of corn. So it's a really interesting study and they've had a number of agricultural experts check it out
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so it's not just some you know random study that somebody came up with one of those pseudoscience
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it's and it's ongoing they keep tracking it. You know that's crazy because when you go to UN climate change
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conferences there's so much focus on climate refugees oh we're going to have climate refugees
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we actually don't have climate refugees we have green energy policy refugees in that when you drive
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up the cost of food you cause civil unrest and then people end up as part of a refugee crisis
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fleeing to the first world where you know the problems that are happening in their their home countries
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that's where the these things are sort of fomented and and they manifest elsewhere so it's very
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fascinating to see that kind of stuff it's one of those things that you don't think about you think
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about you know like people in the developing world they they won't have these sort of crop yields
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that we do because we're denying them fossil fuels to do those sorts of things and they won't be able to
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develop their economy because they don't have reliable electricity that works at night but you don't
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realize how green energy policies in the first world make the world so much more dangerously unsafe for
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people in the developing world right you know because for you and i so you know we go and we
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pay a carbon tax or whatever the price of food goes up i mean it's difficult it's challenging now for
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many many people but you know okay so we don't go to a movie you know so we don't buy that special
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thing that we saw at bad bath and beyond or whatever um you know we abandon some of the luxuries but
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you know uh uh five or ten percent increase in food costs in the developing world that's really
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a burden for those people who are so poor and food insecure yeah it really becomes a choice of life
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or death and i think that's what leads to civil unrest now i wanted to talk to you about something
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that you know we all sort of tuned into and for me it was i i'm watching five people on the stage
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to fight over who's going to put my husband at a work faster and that was the leaders debate
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um and you wrote an interesting op-ed um about what your impressions of the leaders debate were so why
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don't you tell us about that well i was actually rebutting an article by max faucet that was in the
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federally funded national observer and he was saying that you know in the leaders debate
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obviously things like seniors pensions and and such like would be not really an issue in the future
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the big essential question was about climate change and my view was that actually i saw five people
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talking about an impossible magical thinking solution which is net zero 2050 and if you look at the graph of
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total energy consumption in canada today wind and solar provides perhaps 3.5 percent of the energy
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yet all these people are talking about like yeah we're going to go net zero 2050 so like in 29 years
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and even some people are pushing for 2030 nine years we're going to completely switch over our system
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to uh forms of energy generation that don't exist yet or that are only a niche market or that are shown
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to be very dangerous like hydrogen is not something you really want to just put in the hands of consumers
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so it's a very uh you know uh annoying and disillusioning exercise to realize that even the
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moderator is so energy illiterate that they couldn't say well how about this fact ladies and gentlemen
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please explain how you're going to jump over this fact um and of course all the alternative forms of
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energy are all made from oil gas and coal so you know this is a fact a reality check that is not
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being um presented to the canadian public so it's really really sad you know now that you've mentioned
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magical thinking let's uh i know it wasn't it's sort of out of order on the things that we said that we talk
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about but since you mentioned magical thinking that i want to talk about um your live stream that
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you did the other day about code red uh the climate con and magical net zero thinking and um in that
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you touched on something that i thought um i hadn't really thought about because in the leaders debate
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they were talking about oh you know we have to make life more affordable and affordable housing and
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and for me i thought is today the day these people are going to make the connection between
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immigration levels and affordable housing you know like is today the day that it clicks supply and
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demand clicks for these people it wasn't never is um but you had mentioned in that uh live stream that
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the leaders also aren't making the connection between immigration levels and emissions you mentioned
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in there and i thought i've never thought of that before but isn't that the case you can't have a
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hard cap on emissions and keep piling people into the country you have to pick one or the other and
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or at least have immigration levels match your innovation levels as far as greenhouse gas emissions
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and that's not the case right well you know the climate activists are saying oh you know canada's
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never met a target blah blah blah you know what terrible people we are but if you look at the uh ratio of
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immigration from uh from 1990 to present you know canada's emissions have been pretty much flat but our
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population grew by 37 percent and just so you know the federal government has a plan in place called
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the century initiative they want to bring 63 million more people to canada and yet at the same time
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they've implemented the uh net zero uh accountability the climate accountability law bill c12 which forces
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us to meet targets so you know these are in direct contradiction to each other you can't have more
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people coming here and most of the people who are coming here in terms of uh population uh uh sources
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the the the statistics show us that people are coming from china the philippines and india
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those are the greater portion of immigrants to canada at the present time now all of those are
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far less emitter countries they're far more temperate and when people move here they obviously have to
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become higher consumers of energy greater emitters because otherwise you die so uh you know these
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policies are working at opposition to each other and no one's talking about it yeah no one's talking
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about it and i think i'm fairly tuned into this and i had never looked at it that way so when you
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when you said that i was like ah yes these people are coming for whatever reason to canada and but
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they're coming from places where it's a lot warmer and everything's a lot closer together and they're
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coming to canada where it is far colder and everything's more spread out so naturally they
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have to use more greenhouse gas emissions however we've put hard caps on that and those things are
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incompatible that's right and you know this is not to say anything about immigration i'm in favor of
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immigration and my father himself was an immigrant from britain and so you know it's a matter of why
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is the federal government punishing existing canadians with these hard caps and crazy targets
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that are unattainable to begin with and then you know adding on top of that the impossible uh equation
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of bringing more people from warmer places so it's contrary policy and it better be figured out we should
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not be punished uh for our present day emissions if they're going to bring millions more immigrants
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which is the plan now in that same live stream you did something that i think most journalists
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haven't done even climate journalists most politicians haven't done you actually went through
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the ipcc report ipcc yes ipcc uh report uh and uh you are you found some hope in that as opposed to
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the doomsday scenarios that we constantly hear about you know like oh the ipcc says this but it actually
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doesn't it we're not in a doomsday scenario in fact um they've sort of dialed back their doomsday
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predictions a lot more than they have in recent history yeah it was interesting the code red claim
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comes from a press release by uh un secretary general antonio guterres um but it doesn't actually
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say that anywhere in the real report and there's a couple of pieces to the report that people need to
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know about there's the press releases then there's the summary for policymakers which is about 42 pages long
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and then there's the actual scientific report which is about 4 000 pages long so you know obviously none
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of the politicians are going to plow through that big report and just to be uh clear i did not plow
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through it either but i did rely on some other climate policy experts in this case roger plk jr
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out of the states um he's a climate policy expert and has done tons of research on extreme weather events
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and two important takeaways he said that the new report no longer sees the catastrophic scenario as
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most likely so in 2018 the ipcc had issued a report called the sr 1.5 and it was an interim report a
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shorter one and it was supposedly telling policymakers what would happen if we failed to meet the 1.5 degree
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target but they used what's called the representative concentration pathway scenario 8.5 which is
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actually an implausible scenario it suggests that we would go back to entirely using coal in the world
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that coal use would multiply six to seven times and that there would be no climate policy measures no
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environmental management whatsoever which is absurd it's completely implausible so um that is now
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off the table and by doing that plk says well you know now it's good news because that catastrophic
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scenario is no longer deemed to be likely and in fact that means as i put it the climate emergency is over
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and we do have time because if you look at the other work of plk's junior uh the unstoppable momentum
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of uh outdated science you'll see that a fellow named burgess and colleagues did a study and they show we've
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actually reached peak carbon in 2019 even before the lockdown so there is no climate emergency and we don't
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have to jump into net zero 2050 we don't have to turn the world upside down we do have to still take care of the
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world we do have to be careful about our use of fossil fuels but we don't have to be ridiculous about it
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now where do you think this philosophy of i don't know that that that the un i guess because it's not
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even the un scientists as we've seen from the the ipcc report i'm not even sure that they think that way
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but so many people the un and i think uh governments sort of downstream from there take direction from that
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where do they get this idea that humans can regulate the climate where is this coming from
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well the uh fundamental idea is that uh you know people back in the 70s uh saw that carbon dioxide from
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industrial emissions and human activity was rising in lockstep with temperature and that for them
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uh you know concluded that earlier scientists who made such predictions were right and so that's
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when it began and it's also based on the success that enron had in carbon trading on coal plants and
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enron then moved into uh wind and carbon trading and tried to set up cap and trade and carbon trading
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markets there now the difference is that when you're dealing with cap and trade with coal um the they were
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trading on sulfur dioxide and sulfur dioxide is actually an aerosol it's a little tiny particle
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so it's quite easy to filter from the air but carbon dioxide is a gas it's very diffuse and it's very
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difficult to filter from the air not to mention it's not clear that we need to do that right so you
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know so this began it really has its roots in money and that's a lot of what we see today the push for
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cop 26 is the money push to establish an international global carbon tax law and uh we didn't talk about
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this but i do want to mention it part of that may include um a personal carbon ration and this has been
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the dream of george monbiot since 2006 and it's recently resurfaced actually because of covid and all the
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tracing apps and so there's some researchers just published a paper saying wow this is great now
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we've got these covid tracing apps we can also attach your personal carbon ration to it so then
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everything that you do can be tracked as to how much energy you are using now that the tragedy and irony of
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this is that individuals are not the biggest carbon emitters it's major industry it's china it's india
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it's all the emerging nations and um you know and yet they're telling you put on a sweater turn
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down your heat turn off your lights and of course you know conserve energy where you can but but honest
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to god you're not going to be saving the planet doing that now uh on friends of science on the blog
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there you do have a summary of the current situation that's unfolding in the world um with regard to
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climate policy not the climate catastrophe which i i like because you break it down and you tell us
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exactly what's happening across the globe and why greenhouse gas emissions are really not the control
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knob and that there's so many other factors at play in all of this that you can't put your finger on
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just one thing if you're not dealing with those other things and those other things you can't really
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deal with without shutting down the economy or in the case of the sun you can't deal with it at all um
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and uh you know that's one of the the question and answers in that blog is can we succeed in fighting
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climate change and you break down and say like well you could if it were just about greenhouse gas
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emissions maybe um with serious economic effects but there are so many other things involved in what
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makes up climate change that you just can't do it right well this is all relates to a new report that
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we've got out sponsored by the canadians for sensible climate policy and the report is called
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fighting climate change can we humans regulate uh earth's climate and so as you said the report asks
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about nine or ten questions that canadians are asking like can the paris accord actually work
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can we achieve net zero targets can we regulate climate so it's a combination of economic and
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uh climate science bits and pieces it's not it's very plain language it's not very complex to read
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it's a short read with an appendix and it answers a lot of those questions and also gives a bit of a
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background on how far all these uh climate negotiations have come over the years and basically carbon
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dioxide has gone up the more cops there have been i mean in conference of the parties the more the
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emissions have risen and that every one of them like yes we're gonna cut emissions this time so you
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know basically the public are being led down a path of economic destruction by these guys well and
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that brings me into uh something else i wanted to talk about and you it was your fun little video about
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the newest hockey stick graph i don't know why the environmentalist movement loves themselves a good
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hockey stick graph no matter how debunked they are but they've got a new one and as like seems to be the
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case with all hockey stick graphs they just take out the inconvenient data so that it it reflects the
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narrative that they're trying to drive so that they get to that end goal of i guess it's a global carbon tax
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yes well the hockey stick you know is like if you look at history you'll see that there was roman optimum
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cold period medieval warm period little ice age present modern uh warm period so you'll see this
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cyclical pattern it's not even but it it is there but the hockey stick graph takes the stick of that
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medieval warm period and such like flattens it out by cherry picking data from around the world that
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exactly fits their desired pattern and then sticking a uh a sudden uptick on the end that's what creates
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the hockey stick and uh steve mcintyre has done a very detailed assessment of the most recent son of
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hockey stick which by the way only appears in the summary for policymakers it doesn't appear in the
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scientific report so that tells you it's another theatrical device to scare policymakers into agreeing to
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things like net zero 2050 which are impossible you know that's that's interesting that it only
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appears in the summary for policymakers which is the summary for politicians um and it's not actually in
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the technical scientific side so that's the political end of all of this is uh here's this graph
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it's going to scare somebody like um catherine mckenna who's not going to read the rest of this or
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bring in an expert to explain the rest of it to her she's going to see this she's going to blame my
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suv and advocate for a carbon tax and she's never going to dig down a little further right exactly
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now uh next thing on our list of things to talk about i think and i hope i'm not skipping over
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anything is facebook censoring censoring things because you know you cannot have scientific
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consensus without censorship apparently i mean we constantly hear oh you know like this there's a
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scientific consensus of scientists and the world is warming and it's your comfortable suv that's
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doing it so we the only thing that we can do right now is carbon taxes to fix all of that and then you
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find out well they've actually censored the other people it's not like they've just ignored the other
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people they've actually censored them yes well there's a recent paper by uh ranan michael and michael
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connelly and dr willie soon and about 20 other very qualified scientists and it looks at the um
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influence of the sun and total solar radians on temperature and of course this has been blocked
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by facebook anytime anyone posts it a fact check comes up now they looked at the fact check and they
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said well that's crazy the fact check is made up of cut and pasted material from previous
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reviews of other papers so they didn't even actually review this paper they just said no it can't be
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the sun and that's why because this person said so a year ago and this person said so a year ago and
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this person said so a year ago so you know it really is fake news and really um you know an embarrassment
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to facebook to be uh even accepting the climate feedback uh you know slanted biased assessments so
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connelly and and the gang have written a very detailed rebuttal we've posted it on our website so
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far it hasn't been censored but it probably will be yeah just give it a second um yeah it's funny that
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even in today's world we've come so far that it is considered fake news by social media companies to say
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that big burning ball of gas in the sky might have something to do with the temperature outside today
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that's how far we've come well you know they're all trying to retain their share value you have to
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understand that big tech makes a lot of money per share because they are compliant with the climate
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catastrophe thinking they're deeply invested in renewables and they get the subsidies from it
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and because they're deemed best to be clean because they say oh we're 100 renewable now meaning they're
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just buying offsets or they've invested in wind and solar um then all the institutional investors at
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the unpri rush to invest in them because they're clean so there must be like some kind of bond issue
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or or banking uh financial incentive that these institutional investors are also getting for this
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kind of participation because in economic terms it makes no sense facebook wouldn't be around for one
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minute without oil natural gas and coal that powers their servers there would be no big tech you and i
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would not be talking now you know that's a great point i would love to know the environmental footprint
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of something like facebook or google it's huge well you know and we talked with the bigfoot issue
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about how netflix takes up 15 percent of the internet uh broadband so you know imagine like amazon i mean amazon
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has not reported their uh carbon footprint to the carbon disclosure project instead uh jeff bezos just
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wrote a check for i think 10 billion dollars to cash out to all these environmental groups and he's making
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the climate arena in seattle so you know this is his um uh what do you call that the medieval um
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oh you know when he had to pay indulgences indulgences yeah he's he's yeah but imagine if he
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if he did do a report for the cdp you know the footprint would probably be pretty black
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although i love amazon i think it's great company i'm not putting them down yeah i don't like going to
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town for stuff i like when somebody brings it to my door but but i also don't like the lectures
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right let's not pretend don't don't show me your commercial with all these wind farms when i know
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that you're actually driving a truck here on diesel yeah and you know and it's not going to be an ev
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in the middle of winter in alberta that's for sure for sure not i mean i imagine these big tech
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companies and amazon i'm sure their environmental footprint is larger than some countries in the
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developing world i'm sure it's just enormous yes i'm i know that it is i've seen that i can't remember
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the statistic off the top of my head but it's that is exactly true now let's talk about some of the
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things that friends of science is up to you were on a podcast with dr tammy nemeth and that's no
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small potatoes she's an independent historian and researcher based in the uk with a phd in history
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from the university of british columbia so what were you doing on there michelle yeah well i'm an
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ordinary person so no the heck you aren't but no what we are talking about the ipcc and about
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the upcoming cop 26 in glasgow and uh and the green forces behind all of this of course uh dr
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nemeth is the one who wrote the reports for two of the reports for the allen inquiry and uh a lot of
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people said oh well you know that was uh climate change denial i think martin olzynski was very big on
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that out of the ufc but in fact that's not the case she's an excellent historian and uh she has a
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very good grasp of the global scope of this movement to go green um and so it was quite a bit of fun
00:29:49.160
to speak with her and we covered a lot of territory so i i and she's interviewed a lot of very interesting
00:29:55.320
people h sterling burnett she interviewed robert bryce recently who's an excellent commentator on
00:30:01.640
energy policy issues mark morano and mark is going to be our upcoming guest at our um new uh event
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this year's event uh so um mark has just written a book called green fraud um but uh he'll be talking
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about a number of things at our event anyway so let's talk about your event because uh that's coming up
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right away i think you have two you have one on october 2nd i think and one right after that
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and i love mark morano he's such a character um he's so fun to listen to i could listen to him all day
00:30:37.340
but he makes you know like for me the politics of climate change and the the green fraud around
00:30:44.600
climate change and how progressivism keeps poor people poor in the developing world that's very
00:30:49.560
interesting to me i get it i'm sort of a niche customer of that because it can be sort of big
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and broad and let's be honest sometimes it feels a little boring for normal people but he makes it
00:31:01.440
very interesting because he's a character on his own so you guys are bringing mark in to talk well
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we'll be doing this online yeah we have two online events coming up so dr husberghut will be our first
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speaker and he will be on october the 2nd and uh this will be uh coming to us from holland so i'll be
00:31:22.520
hosting and then we will uh present a pre-tape presentation of his with his powerpoint and his
00:31:29.940
uh details on let the data speak and really his argument is that you know there's all these
00:31:36.740
ideological claims and you know aspirations but let's look at the actual data and see what it says
00:31:43.440
about climate change and um so uh he's the president of quintel he is a co-founder with
00:31:49.780
marcel crock so uh very interesting and very uh decent person great person to talk with so i'm
00:31:57.420
really looking forward to that and then on the sixth we will have another online event with mark
00:32:02.420
morano and uh it's mark morano's talk is called green fraud the great regret instead of the great
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reset the great regret yeah so he'll be showing us why there are regrettable policies and well for
00:32:16.960
instance speaking of energy i saw this morning that in the uk power prices are expected to rise
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2100 percent over the same price of last year at this time because they have a shortage of capacity
00:32:32.700
now they phased out coal you don't have enough lng natural gas uh and um their power prices are just
00:32:40.060
going berserk so then they may have to resort to rolling blackouts so that's what happens when you
00:32:48.340
destabilize your reliable grid with wind and solar and you do so regardless of considerations for
00:32:56.200
um consumer and industrial demand californication that you know that's what that is yeah well you
00:33:04.980
know i'll tell you a little story the first time i met mark morano um moments later he was hauled away
00:33:09.900
by moroccan security forces from the un complex because he took the paris accord and shredded it
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right in the middle of the un complex right in front of the place where all the journalists
00:33:24.200
were holed up inside in all their air conditioning he took the paris accord and a paper shredder
00:33:29.400
um and a big picture donald trump was beside him and he just shredded it and then moroccan police i'm
00:33:34.560
like well i hope i see mark morano again sometime ever again i don't know wow well you know it's funny
00:33:43.680
because when um extinction rebellion or greenpeace do street theater like that they're almost never
00:33:48.780
hauled away people kind of stand around and go well we don't want to hurt their feelings
00:33:53.080
so yeah same thing when uh we were once again mark does some kind of stunt we were in uh
00:34:00.980
bond germany again at the un climate change conference this time we were not allowed inside
00:34:06.460
um and he boarded the greenpeace boat because the night before greenpeace was boarding the coal ships in
00:34:14.580
the rhine that were going past so they boarded the coal ships so mark was like let's board their ship he
00:34:20.780
dressed like the captain of the love boat and boarded their ship and started ringing a bell about
00:34:25.920
you know like it was a climate fraud or something like that and the police came we ran away and that
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was that so the moral of the story is anytime you're with mark morano keep an eye out for the cops because
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they're coming well i wonder if they can get them online now how do people get tickets for your event or
00:34:46.680
how do they uh watch your online events well it's going to be free this time oh wow yeah so uh we just
00:34:54.280
felt that it would appeal to a broader audience and uh be somewhat less complicated um and uh so
00:35:01.700
we'll be making further announcements we just started promoting it um but to to find out more you can
00:35:08.260
always go to our home page which is friendsofscience.org and there up in the corner you'll find a little
00:35:14.880
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00:35:20.000
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00:35:26.840
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00:35:34.460
endowment fund that i think has uh interest return of 190 000 a year so so uh you know and they had in
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their bank account 19 million dollars in assets so you know we're not on a scale of these major
00:35:51.080
engos which are all tax subsidized by you so if you'd rather support somebody who's speaking up on
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00:36:16.240
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00:36:23.160
that's one thing that friends of science always promotes is a civil discussion about the topic of
00:36:29.620
climate change because we're not even allowed to talk about it as you point out with scientists being
00:36:34.420
censored we're not even allowed to have a discussion about these issues let alone a civil one you can't
00:36:41.600
even say like maybe i think the sun has a bit to do of it i'll do with it all of a sudden you are a
00:36:46.600
climate change denier and you want to make sure that nobody's grandchildren ever walk the face of the
00:36:51.180
earth that's you know instead of being we're just we have different and divergent opinions on this
00:36:56.680
we've gone from being you're not wrong you're also evil that's sort of where we've ended up here
00:37:03.040
right and i think that the the sad thing there is you know we talk a lot in society today about a
00:37:09.600
spectrum of people of different genders different races different viewpoints but there's no climate
00:37:17.000
diversity so you know one of the themes that i've recently adopted is climate diversity is our strength
00:37:22.940
and you can actually see we've got a little spectrum that we post from time to time and we ask people
00:37:27.700
where are you on the spectrum of climate change you know are you a person who just ignores it or maybe
00:37:33.040
you're one who thinks it's a existential crisis but in between that there's lots of different views
00:37:39.080
about it you know and we as a democratic society we should be considerate of the fact that there are
00:37:45.880
many different views and many different reasons for those views and not just only listen to the
00:37:51.260
extremists who are concerned about a potential extinction which as i noted earlier the catastrophe
00:37:59.180
scenario is off the table people are not even using that anymore you know it's good news but it goes
00:38:07.800
unreported because it doesn't fit it fit an agenda you think that that would be everywhere like oh
00:38:12.840
guess what we're not gonna die in 12 years i guess it doesn't fit the agenda uh michelle i could
00:38:18.760
talk to you all day um but i know that you and i we you and i both have other things to do thank you
00:38:24.140
so much for coming on the show thank you so much for always cutting through the bs and the hyperbole
00:38:29.080
um and offering us a little bit of hope and um quelling some of that climate anxiety that i think is
00:38:35.580
so infectious in society these days yeah my pleasure thank you so much sheila thank you we'll have you on again
00:38:48.760
all friends of science has ever asked for is a civil debate on climate change the fair exchange
00:38:59.400
of ideas that's what the city of regina denied the public when they canceled dr patrick moore as a
00:39:06.000
speaker at their sustainability event but you know what we don't need permission to have dangerous
00:39:12.800
conversations we don't need permission from a city we don't need it from justin trudeau we don't need it
00:39:17.860
from anyone this for now is still a free society well everybody i want to thank you so much as
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always for tuning in i'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week and
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remember don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think