SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Climate scaremongers want new ways to punish us for being alive
Episode Stats
Words per Minute
145.41946
Summary
The world s control freaks and busybodies are meeting this week in the United Arab Emirates to devise new ways to make life more expensive for you. I'll discuss all that with my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.
Transcript
00:00:00.000
The world's control freaks and busybodies are meeting this week in the United Arab Emirates
00:00:04.960
to devise new ways to control your life. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
00:00:10.400
Today's show topic is similar to last week's. I'm talking about the annual United Nations
00:00:33.680
Climate Change Conference. It's known as COP or Conference of the Parties 28. You might see that
00:00:40.560
in news jargon, but really it's the annual climate summit where the people who want to control what
00:00:49.260
you can do and say and think and move and eat all meet together for their little cabal talk fest
00:01:01.480
where they devise new ways to make life more expensive for you. And it's often held in some
00:01:08.060
of the nicer, more exotic places of the world with the exception of Katowice, Poland. Although I thought
00:01:12.960
it was really nice because when I was in Poland, it was in Poland's cool country. And so I really
00:01:20.200
liked it. I'm not sure the climate gurus did. But this year it's in the United Arab Emirates,
00:01:26.540
one of the most energy intensive places on the face of the earth, a place that was built nearly
00:01:33.580
entirely with oil and gas wealth. And the United Arab Emirates isn't about to change that. I'll
00:01:41.040
discuss all that today in my interview with my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.
00:01:46.840
So we're building on last week's show where we interviewed Robert Lyman about what to expect
00:01:51.780
from the Climate Change Conference. Michelle is going to talk about what we're seeing now coming
00:01:56.000
out of the Climate Change Conference. And then we're going to talk about the ongoing problem
00:02:02.200
with academic censorship, both on the issue of climate change, but also on all issues. If you wonder why
00:02:10.080
the academics of the world have this bizarre homogeneity to their opinions, they literally all think the
00:02:18.440
same. It's not because all academics do think the same. It's because the ones who think differently
00:02:23.740
are having their papers pulled and are getting cancelled. And that happened to Michelle. So
00:02:28.780
here's the interview we recorded just moments ago. Take a listen.
00:02:40.100
So joining me now is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science. We're going to be talking
00:02:45.180
about what's happening in the UAE right now. It's called COP28. But it's the annual UN Climate
00:02:53.820
Change Conference. That's just UN academic jargon, COP28, so that you don't really know what's going on.
00:03:00.640
So we're going to talk about that. But then we're going to talk about some academic censorship,
00:03:04.640
which is happening in the climate change debate all the time. But it happens in a bunch of other
00:03:11.060
places too, so that the powers that be can say, look, see, everybody agrees with us. Michelle,
00:03:18.540
thanks for coming on the show. Let's start with what's happening at the UN Climate Change Conference
00:03:24.260
in the UAE. I recently got back from the UAE in September. And that is one place that needs a lot
00:03:33.120
of reliable energy. Now, it is also a place where renewables can work because they get so much sun
00:03:40.100
but they are also living on fossil fuels just like the rest of us. It's a place where they just build
00:03:46.680
things because they have the energy and resources to do it. And I really don't think that environmental
00:03:52.380
considerations are that much of a thing there. But tell us, what can we expect from COP28,
00:04:01.540
Well, let me just start by thanks for having me on the show. But also, you recently interviewed Robert
00:04:10.500
Lyman. And Robert had given us six themes that would be discussed at COP28. So we did six short
00:04:19.860
explainer videos going through each of those themes. Now, one of them is a course correction for climate
00:04:25.700
action. So they're trying to evaluate how far countries have progressed along in their goals
00:04:32.020
in the past five years, because that's all part of the Paris Agreement that every five years you have
00:04:39.660
to report on how far you've gone along. So contrary to public belief in Canada, the Paris Agreement is a
00:04:47.020
not binding agreement. Canada made it binding, but it's not a legally binding agreement.
00:04:54.020
So they're going to try and see how far the gap is between nationally determined contributions and
00:05:01.180
DCs. That's the country's promise to reduce emissions and where they are today.
00:05:08.680
There's also going to be delivering on promises, which is related to promises made to the developing
00:05:17.180
world that they're going to create this huge funding. There's another one, a phasing out
00:05:23.360
fossil fuels. Now, all of them, as you noted, are in a place that relies entirely on fossil fuels,
00:05:30.980
and they only got there by fossil fuels, but they want to phase it out. And they're really making
00:05:37.060
strident efforts to do that. And I'll tell you a funny story after. Another one is the exponential
00:05:42.740
expansion of renewables, the doubling of energy efficiency, and the reduction of methane,
00:05:52.840
methane, however you want to pronounce it, which of course has just popped up in the news because
00:05:58.000
Minister Gilboa jumped a surprise on Alberta. And then there's also the scaling up of accountability.
00:06:06.080
This sounds kind of lightweight, but when you think that the tiny island of Vanuatu went to the UN General
00:06:14.840
Assembly with a report that was probably co-authored by West Coast Environmental Law, because they've been
00:06:22.640
working very closely with the tiny island of Vanuatu. They took their report to the UN General Assembly and asked it to
00:06:29.920
forward it to the International Court of Justice for an opinion as to whether or not climate
00:06:37.380
laggardness can be criminalized, so that criminal action can be taken against countries for not meeting
00:06:46.240
their targets. So you can see where that would go. Lots of business for lawyers, but lots of ridiculous
00:06:53.500
things for us. And last of all, delivering for nature and people. And that's all about creating the
00:07:01.740
monetization of natural resources. And I'm not talking about oil, gas, coal, forests. I'm talking about
00:07:08.880
turning oceans, forests, pasture land, indigenous protected areas into commodities that people can trade for
00:07:21.700
carbon credits. And this is where the whole land back movement and land guardian movement within
00:07:28.720
Canada's indigenous community is, this is where it's going, that people will pay to keep a forest or grassland
00:07:38.300
or seashore pristine, because they'll be buying carbon credits. Now, of course, you and I will never
00:07:46.580
benefit from that money. And these are ostensibly Canadian resources that belong to everyone. So I
00:07:54.500
think that that's one of the more important things that people should be keeping an eye on. But I don't
00:07:59.200
think anyone's even talking about it. No, no. And you know, where do farmers fit in the mix, right?
00:08:05.600
Right, like we steward the land. If you care about carbon sequestration, we do that through cattle
00:08:12.740
grazing. But nobody pays us to keep the land nice and tidy. In fact, we pay owners carbon taxes.
00:08:23.620
Well, you see, I think part of the plan is to make the carbon tax so onerous that if somebody came to
00:08:28.660
you and said, Sheila, how about if you and your family didn't farm, we'll pay you to not farm? How
00:08:34.260
about if we pay you to get rid of whatever livestock you have? So we'll be saving the planet, you'll be
00:08:39.860
making a buck, everything will be great. Right? Yeah. It's just, you know, ultimately, we'll all
00:08:44.900
starve or have to eat crickets. Well, yeah, exactly. Fewer farmers, food inflation continues to go sky
00:08:51.140
high. And yeah, we're all enjoying the cricket milk of tomorrow. I wanted to talk to you about this,
00:08:59.380
this topic of phasing out fossil fuels, they really are pushing for this at the United Nations. Now,
00:09:03.780
I got to give it to the UAE for being a little bit cheeky. And it's something that I've seen before,
00:09:09.300
and we're seeing again this year, in a couple of different ways. So I saw this in Katowice,
00:09:15.380
Poland. Poland was happy to take the United Nations money, and all the tourism and the tens of thousands
00:09:23.140
of activists coming into this small city and spending their money and staying in the hotels and
00:09:29.540
renting the Airbnbs and using the Ubers. But they also put the UN Climate Change Conference
00:09:36.420
right next door to the coal miners museum. And they're very, the Katowice is in the heart of coal
00:09:41.460
country. There's a, they're a super duper, like, pro coal, you go to the mall, and they have coal miners
00:09:47.300
displays. And, and they opened the UN Climate Change Conference with the coal miners marching band.
00:09:54.180
And I thought, okay, I see what they're doing here. They just want the UN's money. They're not on board
00:09:59.140
with any of this. I really enjoyed it. And then in Bonn, Germany, the Trump administration, happy to go to
00:10:06.900
the Climate Change Conference to talk about fracking and coal. They had a big pavilion there promoting
00:10:16.980
how U.S. energy is cleaner. Alberta is doing the same thing this year. They're bringing a massive delegation,
00:10:24.340
but it's more of a sales delegation, talking about carbon capture, and natural gas, and how Alberta's energy
00:10:32.820
is much cleaner than a lot of places of the world. And the UAE, to their credit, I got to give it to them.
00:10:38.740
They've decided that, oh, since all the diplomats are in town for the Climate Change Conference,
00:10:44.580
let's buttonhole them on some liquefied natural gas deals since they're here. So UAE is using the fact
00:10:52.020
that all these diplomats and dealmakers are in town, and they're using it to not phase out fossil
00:10:57.780
fuels, but to sign fossil fuel deals on the side. And I love to see it.
00:11:04.180
Well, you know, the late Professor Dr. Istvan Marko wrote a blog post for us back in about 2015,
00:11:12.580
I think it was. And he outlined that these conferences of the parties where everyone
00:11:18.660
thinks they're addressing climate change, they're actually just a big trade fair. And up until the
00:11:24.660
recent energy crunch, what's happened is all the countries would go to these events and say,
00:11:31.620
India would say, wow, you know, we'd love to build a solar farm if only we had the money. And Germany would
00:11:37.620
say, well, you know what, we'll give you $20 million. And you can build your solar farm with
00:11:43.780
that. And India would be like, oh, that's fantastic. Thank you so much. And they say,
00:11:47.780
the only stipulation is you have to buy it from Siemens, our company in our country. So that is
00:11:56.100
probably the circular economy that everyone talks about. When people think the circular economy is
00:12:01.700
about recycling. I think this is the kind of, let's call it financial recycling that goes on.
00:12:08.340
Now, of course, what's happened in the past couple of years, and especially
00:12:12.980
since two things, the divestment program, the Mark Carney comments that, you know, anyone using
00:12:19.220
fossil fuels will be and not recognizing climate change will be bankrupted. And the conflict between
00:12:27.540
Russia and Ukraine, these elements have caused a tremendous energy shortage. Like there's a huge
00:12:35.700
energy gap in the world that cannot be met without at least a decade of additional exploration and
00:12:43.220
development. So everybody wants to buy energy because many countries are completely reliant on it.
00:12:51.620
You know, nobody, you can't even run your wind and solar farms without conventional energy
00:12:56.260
to back it up. So, of course, at this COP, the countries are doing big business on oil and gas
00:13:05.220
because they desperately need it. Otherwise, their country will die. I mean, look at Germany. Germany's
00:13:11.860
industry is leaving. What's it called? The BASF plant. They have a huge plant there. It's about 10 square
00:13:23.620
kilometers. And they need natural gas as a product stream and for the energy to run the plant. It
00:13:30.100
employs about 29,000 people. Well, they're moving to China because they just don't have energy supply
00:13:37.060
at an economical rate in Germany anymore. Germany is importing LNG from the United States. They made
00:13:45.780
some floating tank LNG terminals kind of as a desperate effort. They managed to build it within a
00:13:52.100
year because they didn't even have one terminal. They completely relied on gas pipelines from Germany.
00:13:59.620
So, you know, they're really suffering. The people there are suffering. And even The Economist reported
00:14:06.580
last year that more people died of energy poverty than of COVID. So, you know, it's a real crisis. And,
00:14:15.460
you know, we're so blessed with fossil fuels in North America and especially in Alberta. We don't see it.
00:14:21.540
We don't even know that this kind of thing is happening, but it's also impacting us as well.
00:14:26.340
Well, yeah. And it's coming for us if our premier doesn't fight these onerous
00:14:33.620
regulations that are being just smashed onto us undemocratically from our friends in Ottawa.
00:14:41.300
You mentioned the methane targets. That's directly targeting Alberta after we've decided to fight
00:14:47.300
the feds and win on C-69 on the plastics ban. And so we've embarrassed the feds.
00:14:57.300
Yeah. And also, I mean, one of the interesting things at COP, I don't know if you heard about it,
00:15:01.860
but the host president, Sultan al-Jabbar, was in a conversation with Mary Robinson,
00:15:10.020
who's one of the elders, you know, and a couple of other women. And they were
00:15:14.260
doing sort of like a Catherine McKenna style, you know, women are kicking it on climate.
00:15:18.900
Like, we're the ones who are changing the world, right? And so he confronted them directly and said,
00:15:24.820
listen, you know, there is no path to keeping temperatures below 1.5 degrees Celsius by phasing
00:15:32.100
out fossil fuels, you know, and we'll all end up living in caves. And I mean, this was like,
00:15:39.060
how could it be? You know, and Elizabeth May tweeted, he showed his true colors. He's just an oil guy.
00:15:45.780
And it's like, Elizabeth May, how did you get there? You know, he's a realist. He's a chemical
00:15:51.380
engineer by training and an economist. And I believe he got his scholarship to go to university
00:15:57.300
in the States via the oil company, the national oil company there. So, you know, and he lives in this
00:16:04.820
magnificent city of Dubai built in the desert, literally from the sands, right, into this fantastic
00:16:12.740
city. So anyway, we did a little explainer about that. We called it shock at cop. And we just posted
00:16:18.900
it the day before yesterday, it's already got 4000 views. But it gives you very good insights into
00:16:26.340
the, the reality check that he threw, you know, like a cat among the pigeons at everybody there.
00:16:33.300
And they're all in shock. Like, how can it be? But he's right.
00:16:36.900
Yeah, of course, he's right. Like I said, I just got home from Dubai. And it is an America. It's an
00:16:42.980
amazing place where if you can dream it, they will build it. And it is this place of just absolute
00:16:51.940
industry. And it's, it's like a city of the future with bullet trains and massive buildings and glass
00:17:01.140
everywhere. And it is only made possible through the opulence and wealth and reliable energy of fossil
00:17:08.900
fuels. And so I don't know what the UN thought that they were going to get going to this benevolent
00:17:15.140
dictatorship of the UAE and thinking, yeah, no, these, these people here are totally going to adopt our ways
00:17:22.020
of the future. I think the UAE is one of those places where you can showcase renewables because they
00:17:28.260
work in that climate and also how energy wealth is, is does wonderful things for both an economy, but a society.
00:17:42.100
Yeah. Yeah, really. I mean, one of the great things is there's so many pictures on, on shutterstock
00:17:48.580
and adobe stock, literally of the desert and the city right behind it. So, you know, if,
00:17:57.860
if all those cop activists had to go out in the desert for a day or two, without the conveniences
00:18:04.180
of Dubai, they'd be begging for help within a couple of hours. Yeah. I mean, they did that in
00:18:11.300
Morocco. They built an entire disposable city right next door to Marrakesh. And you went inside this
00:18:19.380
little disposable city that was made of plastic. It was all just sort of plastic Quonsets and,
00:18:25.060
and climate controlled buildings. And once you got inside, you couldn't really,
00:18:31.540
you couldn't see outside. It was like this magical bubble where the temperature was so low that I came
00:18:38.260
home with a cold. Like that's how high they had the air conditioning cranked up to make it comfortable
00:18:45.380
for the people telling you that you have to have a low flow toilet in your house. Bizarre.
00:18:54.180
Yeah. Well, that's also one of the ironies of this year's cop is the UNEP just put out a report
00:18:59.540
on air conditioning and how bad it is and how they want to find other ways to cool the world.
00:19:04.500
In the UAE. It's like, come on, you guys, like wake up. It's just crazy. Anyway, have you seen Dr.
00:19:12.100
Vipon there? Oh, oh, yeah. Dr. Vipon showed up at a environmental defense conference the other day,
00:19:19.620
wearing some kind of a, what do you call that for horses? A feed bag on his face. So I guess he was
00:19:28.820
trying to show that he's a medical doctor, but he couldn't really do that on the panel. You know,
00:19:33.140
here when they were doing coal phase out, he kept showing up in his scrubs and stuff scoped around
00:19:38.100
his neck like, hey, I just left Emerge and here I am to advocate for coal phase out. But he did manage
00:19:45.780
to do a little bit of street theater. He's got a huge plastic earth that he was doing CPR on the other
00:19:53.540
day because he took his white coat with him and his stethoscope. So anyway, and he was
00:20:03.140
front page news for climate news walking down the street in his white lab coat and the earth,
00:20:11.940
the big plastic earth on his shoulder. Plastic earth. You know, these people with their God
00:20:16.180
complexes, hey? Like walking around like Atlas with the earth on his shoulders. I just want to touch on
00:20:24.180
this because you talked about Mark Carney and we didn't talk about this as we were talking about what we
00:20:29.060
were going to talk about in the interview today. But did you see the news? It was yesterday. Mark Carney's
00:20:34.820
group, his investor, his little group, Brookfield, which is not little at all. It's Canada's largest
00:20:43.140
investment firm. It's accused of underreporting its carbon emissions because they were, they only track
00:20:51.140
theirs. They don't track the ones that like the of the companies that Brookfield funds. So one of
00:20:58.980
those is Oak Tree Capital Management, which accounts for about 22 percent of Brookfield's assets under
00:21:08.420
management. And Oak Tree has stakes in at least 118 fossil fuel assets. Now, the greatest irony in all of
00:21:18.500
this is that Mark Carney is the head of GFANS or GFANS or whatever you call it. But he's also the
00:21:25.940
UN climate czar. He's the chief climate scold at the World Economic Forum. But his GFANS, I forgot what
00:21:35.380
it stands for. The Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero, I think. Right. That's exactly what it is. The
00:21:44.580
Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero. And what these guys do is they go around and threaten companies
00:21:51.460
and say, look, if you're not meeting the Paris targets, which are non-binding, but boy, we're
00:21:56.420
going to make them bind to you, then we're going to make sure that you don't qualify for finance for
00:22:02.820
your projects or insurance. So it's this social credit, climate credit, debanking scheme that Mark
00:22:10.980
Carney has organized against other companies, because nobody should be making money off fossil
00:22:17.940
fuels, except if it's him at Brookfield through Oak Tree. Yeah. And speaking of these draconian measures,
00:22:27.940
Senator Rosa Galvez is over at COP28 as well. And she's leading the charge on climate aligned finance.
00:22:37.380
She's got a bill called S-243. And basically, they want to ensure that no company that's invested in
00:22:46.260
fossil fuels can be financed, and that no energy experts can be on the boards of company. They have
00:22:53.860
to put a climate expert on the board, which of course will be someone from the Pembina Institute,
00:23:01.300
you know, some graduate from these foreign funded environmental groups that have been part of the
00:23:06.900
Tar Sands campaign for the past 30 years. They will be elevated to a position of climate expert
00:23:14.100
on the board. So now we'll have corporations with people on the board who don't know anything about
00:23:20.260
energy advising us into the real end scene of Atlas Shrugged. You know, when the lights go out,
00:23:29.460
then we can start rebuilding society again. And like, this is a very, very dangerous bill.
00:23:35.540
And I don't know why it's coming from the Senate. You know, there's a whole group of climate senators,
00:23:41.860
about 40 of them, I think, who are on this bandwagon. And if you look on the Senate website,
00:23:47.620
especially on Rosa Galvez website, you'll find that all these big NGOs, of course, are pushing behind it.
00:23:55.220
So it's very, very dangerous. You know, this is the death of society. Like people don't realize
00:24:02.900
without fossil fuels, about 6 billion people would die within six months.
00:24:08.500
It's also the death of your retirement in your investment portfolio, because you don't have the
00:24:14.500
proper people managing these companies, and they will just lose money. We already have this push for
00:24:20.340
gender parity. And look, I believe that women can do business, don't get me wrong. But to just shoehorn
00:24:28.580
women onto the boards of these companies, instead of let's go out there and find the best person for
00:24:33.140
the job, that also has a detrimental effect to the financial affairs of regular people investing in
00:24:40.500
these companies. But now we have like climate justice activists, whose only experience with business
00:24:46.580
has been working as a barista, while they were getting their busybody social justice degrees
00:24:52.420
before they went to work for Pembina. I think we're like, this is why normal people should really
00:24:57.220
care about what happens on the boards of these big companies.
00:25:02.340
Yeah, and people are not aware of it. And, you know, the other thing, of course, at COP is the COP,
00:25:09.940
the CAPE doctors are there, that's Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment.
00:25:14.980
And I just had an article in the Western Standard, actually, about the fact that these climate doctors
00:25:22.500
are creating very serious issues for the public, because they're more focused on putting things
00:25:31.060
like solar panels on the roof of hospitals, or measuring grandma's carbon footprint of her frailty,
00:25:38.500
rather than actually treating patients. So there are two doctors there, Dr. Courtney Howard.
00:25:46.580
And she, in a TED Talk video, showed a graph a few years ago, I think it was 2017,
00:25:54.180
a graph of who is most trusted in society. And doctors and nurses were at the top of the list.
00:25:59.860
Well, you can take a similar graph from abacus data back in 2018. And the Canadian priorities were
00:26:07.860
improved healthcare, that was number one. And at the bottom of the list was climate change. So you see
00:26:13.620
what they've done is that they've married climate change and healthcare, because no one cares about
00:26:19.860
climate change, not real people, right? Only the activists care about it. But everybody cares about
00:26:25.860
healthcare. But that's a very dangerous, dangerous conflation. So we and we have a few videos,
00:26:34.420
even Tedros from the World Health Organization, the other day was talking about how, you know, to
00:26:41.380
to change climate change, we need to address healthcare. And to do that, we need to
00:26:49.380
build more renewables. That has nothing to do with healthcare. That's just an expensive waste of money.
00:26:56.180
And a way to make your power system more unreliable, which, you know, in surgery,
00:27:01.620
you need reliable power. Yeah, we saw this play out in real time in Texas, when they got hit with a
00:27:08.580
freak snowstorm. And then they had no power at the hospitals, because renewables couldn't keep up. So I
00:27:15.060
don't want to live like that. But now I want to just quickly change lanes. But I think it's all part of
00:27:21.700
the same issue. And this is something that Friends of Science, this is like, on Michelle Sterling personal
00:27:28.580
side, but this is also something that Friends of Science has been asking for wanting advocating for
00:27:35.700
since always. And that's just civil debate on contentious issues amongst people. And, you know,
00:27:44.980
it's there's so much shut uppery coming from the other side of the climate debate. But this is
00:27:50.660
something that happens across academia and politics constantly. In the climate change debate,
00:27:57.860
we hear frequently from advocates of taxes changing the weather that 97% of scientists agree,
00:28:04.740
well, what happens to the other 3%, even though I mean, that number is, there's a lot of explanation
00:28:11.460
why that number was never accurate to start with. But even if that were the case, it, it's because so
00:28:18.660
frequently, people are just told to shut up canceled and their papers scrubbed from the internet. And
00:28:25.860
you've had this happen to you. Tell us about this.
00:28:31.060
Yeah, well, this just happened recently, actually. I have a number of papers posted on Social Science
00:28:37.860
Research Network, which is a preprint network. So it doesn't go through actual peer review, but it's
00:28:43.220
like where you can post working papers, and then you can interact with other people about the content.
00:28:47.940
Do they see your point of view? You know, should you modify it in some way?
00:28:52.180
Debate. Sorry, I just wanted to cut you off. A debate. So people can engage in a rational debate
00:28:59.860
and share ideas on contentious topics, or even not even contentious topics, just make the work
00:29:06.500
better. And anyway, sorry to interrupt. This seems like a great thing. But apparently it's not.
00:29:13.140
Yeah, well, that's the whole idea of having like a preprint working site, you know. And then,
00:29:18.340
so one of the papers I had written critiqued the work of Professor Timothy Haney, who's at Mount Royal
00:29:25.860
University. And he had done a paper called Scientists Don't Care About the Truth. I think that was the
00:29:36.100
quote. It was with Taylor and Francis that it's published. And what he'd done is that he went through
00:29:44.100
a series of interviews that were done about the Calgary flood in 2015. And it appears that he mined
00:29:52.900
the informal comments made by about 40 residents who live in those flood-prone areas. Most of them
00:29:59.940
were engaged in the oil and gas industry in some way. Executives, geophysicists, financiers.
00:30:05.780
So it looks like he mined this very old conversational data and then applied his own
00:30:14.660
interpretation to it to basically show that they're all a bunch of climate change deniers.
00:30:19.860
So I believe that this violates the fundamental principle, ethical principle in academics of informed
00:30:28.500
consent. Because if I interview you in 2015 and I don't ask you any direct questions about scientists
00:30:35.620
or science or climate change, then how can I many years later go back to your material and claim
00:30:43.460
that this is representative of what you actually thought then or think now? Because, you know,
00:30:50.420
A, I need your approval to reuse material. And B, you might have changed your view. And one of the
00:30:56.980
principles of informed consent is that no harm should come from interviewing subjects in social sciences.
00:31:06.580
You know, and that's a very real thing. Particularly, let's say you're interviewing
00:31:12.580
vulnerable people, say prostitutes or drug addicts or something, you don't want them to end up going
00:31:18.740
to jail because you did an interview with them. At the same token, in this case, the whole policy
00:31:25.700
framework for climate change has changed very dramatically from 2015 when the Trudeau government was
00:31:31.380
elected. And climate change was something that people could still debate quite openly to today,
00:31:37.780
where people like Mark Carney and Minister Gilboa are quite keen to put people in jail or to bankrupt them
00:31:46.340
if their views don't align with the federal public policy. So I think that serious harms have been done to the
00:31:55.380
reputation of the industry. And I've requested from Mount Royal University evidence and proof that people did
00:32:03.300
actually offer their informed consent. So 40 people were interviewed. If any of those people would like
00:32:09.540
to contact me or do so anonymously, you can get me at media at friendsofscience.org.
00:32:16.260
So that paper was taken down, but I have reposted it on my own blog. And then about the same time,
00:32:24.580
I'd done another paper that, which is on a slightly different topic, on the issue of Indigenous
00:32:33.620
residential schools. And this rebutted a paper by Sean Carlton out of the University of Manitoba in
00:32:41.140
Winnipeg. And Carlton had written a paper some time ago that attacked former Senator Lynn Bayak
00:32:50.420
and basically smeared and mocked her and really didn't provide any information. So I wrote quite
00:32:57.220
an extensive rebuttal because, you know, what a lot of people don't understand about the treaty issue and
00:33:02.980
the residential school issue is that at the time of signing of the numbered treaties,
00:33:10.340
the United States was engaged in an Indian war. From 1644 to 1924, the US cavalry was hunting down
00:33:21.780
Indian tribes and murdering a lot of them. So much so that Sitting Bull and his people came to Canada
00:33:28.980
for safety after they wiped out General Custer. So, you know, they saw Canada as a safe haven.
00:33:36.660
Anyway, because of the push for settlement across the United States, the buffalo were all wiped out. There
00:33:42.580
was no more future as a buffalo hunter. And it was Sir John A. MacDonald who invited the treaty chiefs to
00:33:54.420
come east and see how society was developing there. And also to tour the Mohawk Institute as a residential
00:34:01.700
school and industrial school and see what they could do to train up their people for the just
00:34:07.380
transition of the 1900s. And they agreed to this model. They thought it was a good idea. So anyway,
00:34:16.100
I rebut Sean Carlton's material and I included it. Well, actually, it got also taken down rather
00:34:24.900
summarily. And I was told that I could never post anything again on Social Science Research Net. But
00:34:31.060
anyway, I've incorporated it into a report that also deconstructs the media claims. This is another
00:34:38.020
Carlton report where he and Reid Gerbrand of the University of Manitoba, they claim that the media never
00:34:46.740
created the mass graves hoax. But I show point by point that in fact, the media not only created it,
00:34:54.340
but they continue to embellish it and press it on. No bodies have ever been found at Kamloops. No graves
00:35:04.260
have been exhumed. It's most likely that those are clay tiles of a septic trench that was abandoned years
00:35:11.300
ago that were found by Dr. Sarah Beaulieu with her GPR. So people are actually wearing t-shirts and
00:35:22.260
and marching for the 215 septic tiles. They're not children. There are records of 50 children who did
00:35:31.620
die related to the Kamloops Indian Residential School. Most of them did not die of any nefarious cause at the
00:35:40.820
school. So Nina Green has a very detailed report. And in fact, I included it in my report. So,
00:35:49.940
you know, that's the only thing you can do is to try and post your material elsewhere when you get
00:35:54.340
cancelled. But you must not give up because, you know, we live in a society that is still to some
00:36:00.660
extent democratic. And the only way to keep it that way is to keep open civil debate going on.
00:36:06.580
Now, there are some pretty serious implications, though, of some proposed federal government
00:36:14.900
legislation that would criminalize your dissent on the issue of residential school graves,
00:36:23.700
specifically at Kamloops. They want to make residential school denialism akin to Holocaust denialism.
00:36:30.580
Well, I don't deny that residential schools existed or that some people did suffer harm.
00:36:40.180
But I disagree that the harm was widespread. And certainly, you know, the wilder stories that
00:36:48.580
have been told, and most of these very wild, nefarious tales have popped up
00:36:54.260
after the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. We never heard them before. And, you know, I spent
00:37:01.540
many years in the Glenbow Museum, I did a series of documentaries over the course of three years,
00:37:07.300
working under the research supervision of Dr. Hugh Dempsey. And none of these kinds of things were ever
00:37:13.620
brought up at the time. And he knew the elders of the Blackfoot Nation very well. His father-in-law was
00:37:20.820
Senator James Gladstone and his wife Pauline Gladstone Dempsey. So, you know, it's, he had
00:37:31.140
first-hand information and not second-hand and not from some knowledge keeper who was six years old at
00:37:40.260
the time that the alleged events happened, right?
00:37:43.460
Yeah. And, you know, it's just so easily resolved to put a shovel in the ground.
00:37:51.780
But nobody is in some of these places. And you're right to point out that some of these claims have
00:37:59.380
popped up post-Truth and Reconciliation Committee, because now these claims are monetized.
00:38:07.780
Yes, that's part of it. That's a significant part of it. And I think there's also an element of
00:38:16.020
mass formation psychosis, where, because these are such horrific tales, it does grasp the imaginations
00:38:24.020
of people and does sweep them away. And we saw that with media coverage around the world, like nobody
00:38:29.380
asked any questions about it. And, you know, they just continued to spew the information that mass
00:38:38.180
graves had been found. And, you know, not only criminalization of so-called denialism, but there's
00:38:46.180
also this push now to keep this international forensic group from working on these projects, because the
00:38:56.180
indigenous groups say, oh, well, they don't have indigenous cultural ties. And therefore, we can't
00:39:02.420
have them excavate. Well, I want to point out that a lot of these graveyards were community graveyards.
00:39:09.300
That means my relatives might be buried there too. And maybe my cultural preferences should be observed
00:39:15.860
as well. You know, like, this is sacred ground to me too. And I'm a Canadian too. So we should have an
00:39:24.340
independent organization reviewing this material and everyone's rights and sacred observances should be
00:39:32.900
considered. You know, because people who were buried there typically were buried as Catholics or
00:39:39.220
Anglicans or Methodists with those rights. Well, the people who sent their children to those schools
00:39:47.140
were already Catholics. They were already Anglicans. Right.
00:39:50.180
They had been, they had chosen Christianity decades before. So, you know, these were not
00:39:58.740
forced conversion units as people try to impress upon others. The people who died were given proper
00:40:06.020
burial rights in the religion of their choice. And that should be respected too.
00:40:13.220
Michelle, how do people find the work, not only of Friends of Science, but also yours too? Because you,
00:40:21.140
on, on both issues of climate change, but also of just reality and truth, you do great work on that.
00:40:28.820
And it doesn't, I, I don't think you get the credit you deserve for it. And you're fighting
00:40:35.300
cancellation and fighting for free speech all the time. So how can people find your work,
00:40:44.180
Ah, well, for Friends of Science, you can find us at friendsofscience.org.
00:40:49.860
And you can just send us a little e-transfer, a Christmas present would be nice, you know,
00:40:56.020
to contact at friendsofscience.org. For my work, I'm on Medium, just under my name, Michelle Sterling.
00:41:04.100
And also, you can find me on a blog, Michelle Sterling, S-T-I-R-L-I-N-G.com.
00:41:12.260
And I've, I've started a substack called Climate of Hope. And that's where I want to address the
00:41:19.940
mass psychosis against children. You know, the fear mongering that's so devastating, so many of our
00:41:26.420
young people on climate change. So any of those, you can subscribe or send an e-transfer or just
00:41:36.980
Thank you. Michelle, thanks so much. If I don't speak to you before Christmas and Hanukkah,
00:41:41.060
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah. And thanks so much for the work that you do to just bring reality and
00:41:47.460
some calm to these hyperbolic debates that I think so many Canadians are just getting absolutely overwhelmed with.
00:41:56.420
Thank you, Sheila. And yes, Happy Hanukkah to all of our Jewish viewers and Merry Christmas to all of our
00:42:04.180
Christian viewers and to you and to all the rebels. Keep being rebellious. Keep asking questions. That's all we can do.
00:42:19.460
Well, friends, we've come to the portion of the show wherein we invite your viewer feedback. I know if you're a regular viewer of
00:42:24.580
the show, you're sick of hearing me say this, but we get new people all the time. And if you'd like me to
00:42:30.420
read your viewer feedback on air, you can send it to me at sheila at rebelnews.com. Put gun show letters
00:42:38.580
in the subject line so I know why you're emailing me because I get dozens of emails every single day. And it
00:42:47.620
gets a lot worse if I've done something controversial on the internet, then the email inbox just absolutely blows up.
00:42:57.300
But also, if you are watching a free version of the show, wherever you're watching that on Rumble on YouTube, and you're sitting
00:43:03.280
through a couple ads, thank you for sitting through those ads. Every little bit helps, but leave a comment in the comment section
00:43:11.100
there. Sometimes I go looking over there. And I do frequently go and look and read the comment section.
00:43:16.300
So don't think that I won't see your comment. However, today's letter comes to us from the email inbox.
00:43:24.060
And it's from Robert, who writes to me and says, Dear Sheila, as a withering octogenarian, I don't know,
00:43:33.260
you seem kind of frisky in this email. So I wouldn't call yourself withering. But you know what,
00:43:38.780
I'll let you identify however you feel like. But Robert writes, Dear Sheila, as a withering octogenarian,
00:43:45.660
I get quite upset whenever Justin Trudeau refers to the Honorable Leader of the Opposition as a mega Republican.
00:43:52.620
I don't get upset. I'm like, are you trying to make me like Pierre Pauly of more? Like, if you're calling him Trumpy,
00:43:59.280
are you trying to make me like him more? When people say that, particularly Justin Trudeau,
00:44:04.940
it shows that he doesn't understand the inner workings of the conservative mind or really the inner workings of
00:44:12.540
literally anything for that matter. So I'm never offended. But let's find out, well, why Robert's offended.
00:44:20.080
Please ask Pierre Pauly of to respond with a preface such as with respect to the Honorable Member of the World Economic Forum.
00:44:27.520
Oh, that's very, very funny. Yes, very, very funny. You know, if Justin Trudeau is allowed to question
00:44:34.560
Pierre Pauly of the loyalties to Canada by calling him a, I don't know, what is that a mega Republican?
00:44:42.000
Then yeah, we can do the same for Justin Trudeau, calling him some sort of loyalist to the
00:44:47.680
oligarchs at the World Economic Forum, but also the United Nations too.
00:44:53.440
So regrettably, I can't get through to Pierre Pauly of as an old plebeian. I thank you in advance, Robert.
00:45:01.880
Well, Robert, I don't know if Pierre Pauly of watches the show, but I think some people around him do.
00:45:07.080
In fact, I know some people around him do. So, you know, who knows? Maybe he'll see your comment.
00:45:11.480
But, you know, I don't know if Pierre Pauly of needs our help thinking on his feet.
00:45:17.480
He's one of the best that I've ever seen think on their feet in politics when handling the media,
00:45:24.340
but also when handling the government side of the aisle.
00:45:30.980
It's why the media doesn't know what to do with him and the liberals are making up, I guess, insults,
00:45:39.920
like mega-Republican, as though that's some sort of insult. Anyway.
00:45:45.240
Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in.
00:45:48.220
I'll see everybody back here in the same time, I think, in the same place next week.
00:45:52.200
I'm not... Yeah, I think. I think I'm back in my office next week.
00:45:55.400
And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.