SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Cutting through the trucker convoy media lies with Cory Morgan
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Corey Morgan of the Western Standard joins me to talk about the Truckers for Freedom convo, politicians who don t know if they support the convoy, and the government's weak response to the truckers' protest.
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Oh hey Rebels, it's me Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're listening to a free audio only recording of my
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weekly Wednesday night show The Gunn Show. Tonight my guest is Corey Morgan, the assistant opinion
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editor of the Western Standard and we're talking about the truck convoy, politicians who don't know
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Does Aaron O'Toole support the convoy for freedom to Ottawa? Does Aaron O'Toole even know the answer
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to that question? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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The convoy for freedom started as a trucker's protest against cross-border COVID restrictions but
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it has really become the symbol for Canadians who are sick of the division and the restrictions and
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government overreach of the nearly last 23 months of two weeks to flatten the curve. On Monday morning
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Conservative leader Aaron O'Toole was asked in a press conference if he would be meeting with or
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supporting the truckers who are headed to Ottawa to protest the vaccination mandate for cross-border
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Several of your MPs have tweeted out support for the convoy. One of them saying that he felt the
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Prime Minister had a vendetta against people who were unvaccinated. Do you support the convoy,
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its goals, its objectives, even though the Canadian Trucking Alliance says it could be disruptive?
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And to follow, again, repeat Louis' question, will you meet with them when they come to Ottawa?
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We've been talking to the Canadian Truckers Alliance, Glenn, for several months.
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We've seen a crisis in the supply chain coming for several months and we've proposed policies to try
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and help alleviate that. The most important of which is vaccines.
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Yes, I did, Glenn. Vaccines are a critical tool and we need to make sure we keep store
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shelves full. Maybe you can answer in response to my next question, sir. You can say whether you
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O'Toole couldn't answer because I don't think he knows. Now, later on in the same day, O'Toole went
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on Evan Solomon's show to provide clarity, but I think instead he just gave Evan Solomon and the
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Will truckers show up on Parliament Hill, sir? Will you meet them, yes or no?
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We've been meeting with them for the last few months and I will continue to meet this week and
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into the weekend with truckers and with the industry, both individual people suffering,
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But I'm talking about the convo. I'm talking about the so-called freedom convo.
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This problem, which would actually tackle the supply chain shortage. Mr. Trudeau's making
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inflation worse through his overspending, through his lack of attention on issues like
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the shortages, and with the fact that he's continuing to just divide people and not deliver
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on the essential things we need in this pandemic.
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Now, I don't think it should be controversial for any conservative politician who believes in
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conservative values to say, I'm against government coercion. And yet, Aaron O'Toole can't say that.
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And I think up until now, he hadn't even been allowing his caucus to say that either. Although
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things are changing. There are many conservative MPs that are coming out against vaccine mandates,
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at least for the truckers. But that also means the next logical step is to be against vaccine
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mandates for every other industry and ultimately every other person too. There's so much to talk
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about with the truck convoy and the politicians' weak response to it and the media's vindictive
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response to it, which seems very disconnected from the public's overwhelmingly supportive
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response to it. So joining me tonight is someone who's not on the show frequently enough. If
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you ask me, it's Corey Morgan of the Western Standard. Take a listen.
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Joining me now from his office in Calgary is the assistant opinion editor at the Western Standard
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and host of the new show Triggered, Corey Morgan. Corey, thanks so much for joining me. There's so
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much news happening across the country, but a lot of it I think is coming out of Alberta. And so I
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wanted to sit down and talk with a fellow right-wing-ish Albertan to discuss some of it. First,
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let's talk about the thing that's on the top of everybody's mind, and that's the convoy.
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I'll tell you why I think it's such a juggernaut, and then I'll ask you your opinion. I think this
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is the first national movement against not just vaccine mandates, but the lockdown and masking. I
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think these guys are an avatar for everything that people have suffered through the last 21 months. And
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it's been, you know, churches popping up here and gyms in BC and curfew scofflaws in Quebec. But this is
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the first one that is just rolling through all the provinces together. Why do you think people are so
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interested in this? Yeah, I fully agree with what you're talking about. It is national. I think
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people have been waiting for a larger means to express themselves and saying that they're tired
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of this. They want to push back against mandates. I mean, on multiple levels, it's gone far beyond just
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the truckers. That was just the first issue. And now people, whether they're waving on the side of the
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road or donating online, they have a means. I mean, a lot of the protests before, some of them, to be
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honest, were a little flaky. I went to a few and your average person just didn't want to take part in
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those. But this is something they can comfortably say, yes, I'm supporting this. I'm tired of the
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status quo with this pandemic mess. And I'm pushing back so that this convoy has given them the means
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for it. And it's just taken off. I mean, amazingly. Yeah, it really has taken off. And I think their
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GoFundMe, before GoFundMe put a hold on, it really speaks to the momentum that it has. Because
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I think a lot of people, they can't be on the convoy. They're not truckers. They can't take two weeks
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off work. They want to do something other than hold a sign on the side of the road, which I think
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is important to show support for the efforts. But a lot of people, when they don't know what to do,
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they say, well, here's 20 bucks. Throw some diesel in your truck. But GoFundMe is now holding on to
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that. And we never see that sort of scrutiny from GoFundMe when it's a left-wing cause like BLM or any of
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those associated movements, that it seems to be that's just the vehicle that you donate to these
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causes. And that's good enough for GoFundMe. But on the flip side, whenever it's sort of like a
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conservative thing, there's always this additional layer of scrutiny applied to it.
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Yeah, absolutely. And the mainstream media has jumped all over that. And they've acted as if it's
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been shut down. So, I mean, it should be clear. I've been watching that site. When they shut one down,
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you can't even donate to it. They're saying this is a bad cause. We're not going to support it.
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We're out. What they are doing is just applying their standards to the letter of saying, we want
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to know where the dispersal is going and things like that, which isn't necessarily bad. But the
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double standard, yeah, they wouldn't think for a second of doing that to BLM. And they're in a
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rock and hard place, I think. I mean, they're probably staying to make a good chunk of money
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out of this as well as part of their service. But they're probably getting inundated with,
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you know, those ridiculous claims that this is a terrorist movement and stuff like that. And they
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don't want to be caught within it. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. But I think
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if they were going to shut it down, they already would have. Like, they would have completely
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stopped this thing. They just want to make sure they've covered their butts before releasing the
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funds. But as you said, it's given people a mechanism. You know, they might be living in
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an area that's off the route. They don't have time. They have bills to pay. But hey, yeah,
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here's 20 bucks. Here's 50 bucks. I mean, it's, what, over 60,000 donors on this. It's just been
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Yeah. And some of the donations are enormous, like $10,000, $1,000 here. These, again, people who
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just, they don't know what to do, but finally someone's standing up. So they say, here's some
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money, stand up for me. But you are right to point out that there, this isn't just, you know,
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GoFundMe doing this on their own. GoFundMe has had a ton of pressure from people on the left,
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organized, and powerful in some instances who are saying, well, what are you going to do about
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all these people raising money? We saw it from Gerald Butts, who sort of wanted to nudge GoFundMe
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in the right direction, and from journalists who seem to think their only job is holding the people
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Yeah, and it's ridiculous. I mean, whose business is it anyways where this money is going? It doesn't
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matter. I mean, it doesn't matter. If we want one of the worst fundraisers who abuse money,
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look to the federal government. They take it without a choice, with a gun to our head,
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and they piss it away and put it in their friends' pockets. So GoFundMe is voluntary. People, I mean,
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as far as I'm concerned, if people want to throw their money in the fireplace, it's their money.
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And if they're giving it to GoFundMe, let them go. But it's an indication that this convoy
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has got the establishment rattled. It's got the establishment. Media, politicians,
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the bureaucrats, they are shaken up. Canadians are passive, docile Canadians are finally pushing
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back and en masse. And this has them nervous. And they're just, you know, striking back in any way
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Yeah. You know, speaking of docile and passive, the last time I saw the Hutterites out supporting
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a political cause like this was during Bill 6, the farm unionization law here in Alberta back in 2016
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that the NDP brought in because the NDP don't actually know any real farmers, obviously.
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But the Hutterites were out there in full force. And one of the reasons they were out there
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during Bill 6 in full force was when they said to the government, hey, we are a family farm and you
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can't put these labor laws on us. The NDP tried to make an exemption for them and they said,
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you're not going to carve us out of the community. We worked really hard to be together as neighbors.
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And now you're going to give us these special exemptions that will cause division.
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The Hutterites in so far, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, they're out along the side of the road,
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women, men holding signs that say, we support the truckers, not Trudeau. And they were emotional.
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We had one of our reporters talk to a few of them. And the man was quite emotional that,
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you know, that once again, here they are fighting tyranny. And right on cue, obviously,
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the mainstream media and the activist organizations whipped out these same old tropes that this is a
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racist, misogynist, extremist, anti-Muslim. That's a new one. Trucking Convoy, they did this with
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United. We roll. They're doing this again. But I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think people
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just aren't buying it anymore. They're not falling for any of it.
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No, they're sick of it. And they know that, I mean, anybody going around who's been to a truck
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stopper, gotten out, actually new Canadians and, you know, to be blunt, non-white Canadians actually
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dominate the trucking industry. There's a lot of them working in there and they do a great job.
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And there are a lot of them taking part in this convoy. They're the ones very directly affected by it.
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So I think if anything, it galvanizes people. They realize this is a ridiculous accusation. It's
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stupid. And it ticks people off and makes them more likely to perhaps support it. And the hutter
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rates is very significant because, yeah, they try to stay clear and keep to themselves out of these
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sorts of issues. But they're also business people. They're seeing problems with the supply chains.
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They drive trucks as well, actually, quite often. And I think it's striking as well that one of the
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things among hutter rates is that they are very bound to be peaceful. If they thought this was a
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violent movement by any means, they would not be out there supporting this. It would go against
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their actual faith. So I think it's quite significant to see them coming out on such a
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rare occasion and supporting something like this.
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Yeah, I was talking to a hutter rate yesterday and he told me that 90 percent of the people on
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his colony are vaccinated. Their issue is not vaccination. Their issue is always and has always
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been government coercion and government incursion into their lives. And you are right to point out
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that so many of them do own trucking colonies or trucking companies on the colonies. Many of them
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are class one drivers. And again, this is where the government wants to drive division. Our hutterite
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friends and neighbors are always driving togetherness, which I think is a symptom of their faith. Now,
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let's talk about the politicians, because I think it was Monday, Aaron O'Toole had sort of two chances
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to come out and support the convoy, which I mean, it should not be a controversial thing for a
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conservative politician to say, I'm against government coercion. But it was difficult for
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him. He had a press conference, I guess it was earlier in the day. That was just a mess. It was
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a Trudeau style thing where he didn't answer a single question and then got frustrated when people
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noticed he wasn't answering questions. And then later on in the day with Evan Solomon,
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he, you could see Evan Solomon's visible frustration with the whole thing. Cause he kept
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asking like, do you, do you support the truckers? And even then his tacit support, Aaron O'Toole's
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tacit support, you still couldn't see sort of where he fell down on the issue, but his MPs I think are
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breaking ranks now. Yeah. O'Toole's been ridiculously spineless. And I mean, that's what cost him the
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federal election. I won't make any bones about it. He's, he's, he's got a spine of jelly. He backed
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down on the carbon tax. He backed down on the firearms promises. And now he won't make a stand
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on this. Guys, if we want Trudeau, we'll vote for Trudeau. If you're not presenting anything
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different, might as well get the one with better hair. And it's just absurd and he's not helping
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himself whatsoever. I mean, nobody's expecting him to be sitting on the hood of one of the trucks
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waving a flag, but you can at least say, you know, that you understand why these people are
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concerned and you support their using the right to go out and, and, and demonstrate against what
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they feel are unfair government controls. You could just say that, you see, I just did. And he
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won't do it. And it's just, he's showing himself as weaker and weaker. And when we see his MPs,
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such as a Polly Evans from Alberta, one's coming out strongly in support of this, I'm certain would
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be in defiance of orders from the leader's office. I suspect that party's having some very strong
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internal issues over this. Yeah. Especially like Martin, uh, Martin Shields, he said, um, he's going
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to wait in Ottawa for the trucks to show up. I think he was one of the first ones, Pierre Polyev,
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likewise. Uh, I think Glenn Motts too, if I'm not mistaken, came out in support of the truckers.
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And this sort of happened in the afternoon in between Aaron O'Toole's catastrophic, um, earlier
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in the day, press conference to his bizarre appearance on Evan Solomon's show in the evening.
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Um, and even then it didn't even seem like this pressure from within his own caucus, it didn't even
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then push Aaron O'Toole in the right direction. What's going on there? I don't know. I mean,
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as we saw just in my own writing, Foothills just released a call for a leadership, uh, review of
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O'Toole. Uh, the dissent, I mean, they, they've got a wishy-washy leader and the time's ticking on
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the next election. So, uh, I, I think the unofficial, we know how that works in, in political parties,
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the unofficial campaigns and jockeying is already happening behind closed doors. And now it's not,
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uh, it'll lead to a point where they're not only going to defy him a little, there's going to be
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efforts to undercut him from within. So if he doesn't show some, some direction and some
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leadership, we're going to see this party start really, uh, imploding again and,
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and, uh, pushing for a new leader. Yeah. Uh, and we're going to see, I think some
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vote splits continue to cost the conservatives ridings. I mean, just in Alberta, just the sheer
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shift of votes that were, you know, conservatives in previous years, they had been winning by,
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you know, they had been taking home about 70 to 80% of the vote. We saw that shift down to like 50,
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65. So, I mean, continued frustration with the conservative party is showing up, um, in the
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ballot box. Um, speaking of time running out on elections, let's talk a little bit about Jason
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Kenny because he's come out in support of the truckers, which is great, except for the fact
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that in Alberta, because of Jason Kenny's vaccine passport by another name so that he can sleep at
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night, a trucker who hauls all day, cannot walk into a pub after decking off his load and have a
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beer and a burger without participating in Jason Kenny's biomedical police state. And I know I'm
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being hyperbolic there, but it is ridiculous to hear a politician say, these are unjust vaccine
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mandates against truckers. Let me see your VAX card before you have a beer after work.
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Yeah. He's trying to suck and blow at the same time on the issue. And I, I mean, I, I am happy
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though, that at least he is coming out as a, as a, you know, conservative leader and being outright
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unabashed in support with the, uh, the truckers themselves. So I'll take what good I can with it.
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Maybe he's starting to build the framework to start, hopefully come out and say, you know what,
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we don't need these passports anymore. Vaccines aren't started stopping the spread. It's just
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hindering businesses and commerce and, and we're going to pull out of it. He's in a tough spot. I mean,
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I, I've been very critical of Premier Kenny, but you know what he would face if he lifted the
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passport mandate. Uh, people will go haywire and, uh, I still think he should do it, but he's got to
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be careful on how he goes about it. Yeah. I think maybe the convoy is the off ramp for him and Premier
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Scott Moe who have both said, you know, we, we think this mandate is, as you say, a hindrance to
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commerce and unnecessary. Maybe this is that thing that gets them out of their own vaccine
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passport, because how do you roll it back now? Some people are happily participating in the
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segregation and they're happy to be part of the privileged medical class. Other people who are
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vaccinated are objecting to it because they don't want to be a cog in the machinery of segregation.
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And then there are just this other chunk of the population that are just stuck at home.
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I think, I think, and I hope that the groundswell of support for the truckers against this sort of
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stuff, I hope it will embolden some better minded politicians to start do the right, start to do the
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right thing and roll some of these measures back. Exactly. We just hope to maintain some optimism. I mean,
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again, this whole thing taking off like this, we haven't seen a pushback like this since the
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beginning of the pandemic. And I hope that this trucking, you know, convoy is just the beginning
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of what'll be more and more activities and efforts pushing back saying that's enough. We got to get
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back to life as normal. Now, I think one of the reasons that truckers, especially long haul truckers,
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are so resistant to the vaccine mandate is that some of them have been going to the United States,
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particularly the southern United States, where COVID has not been a thing in a very long time.
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And then just, you know, following the science, it seems to change according to how many kilometers
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you clock on your odometer. They come back to Canada, and they end up experiencing the tyranny of
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Justin Trudeau and some of their premiers. And so they've seen how the other side lives, but so have
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you. And you recently got back from the United States. Tell us what the state of COVID was like
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and tell us where you went. So we get a good taste of just sort of the difference between Canada and
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the United States. Sure. I was on a 10 day road trip. I went through five states. We drove all the
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way from Alberta down to actually Yuma and the border. We popped into Mexico as well, actually,
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and Algodones for some dental work, which is a separate story. But aside, I mean, you could tell the
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pandemic was going, you'd see masks here and there. But aside from that, you wouldn't even know what was
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happening. As long as I didn't turn on CNN, I wouldn't even know there was a pandemic. I mean,
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you'd see, again, the sprinkling of masks and you see hand sanitizers entering stores. But
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that was it. And it was a choice. And there was no such thing as a passport. I didn't have to prove
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vaccination to go into any restaurant. There was no ridiculous plastic barriers between seating
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or any of this stuff that we're seeing up here, all of this garbage that's been normalized in
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Canada. And that's what I really wanted to get out when I wrote a column on it. Like, guys, you
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don't understand. You don't have to live like this. And people aren't in other areas. If they
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could realize, as you said, the truckers realize it, they see it. If more Canadians would find out,
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the world isn't ending down there. They're not stacking bodies like cordwood. They're actually
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living and smiling at each other. And it was very nice. It was a nice break from up here and in this
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Yeah, I think Scott Moe, the other day, he said, you know, the restrictions, they haven't
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done anything really tangible. They haven't really done anything good. But simultaneously,
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he's not lifting them. Like he's resisting putting on more, which I guess is as good as
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It's less bad. I mean, politicians have a tendency to just go in the wrong direction,
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generally speaking, anyways. So he's resisted putting on, you know, more restrictions to deal
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with the Omicron sniffles. But he's not repealing the restrictions he has in place,
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even though he admits that they aren't working. I don't know how we get out of this.
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We have to change public opinion. I mean, that's what drives these guys. And unfortunately,
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we have our, again, our legacy media, you know, running leading polls and putting out crap like
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saying that a quarter of Canadians want to jail the unvaccinated. And they're dividing us.
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They're scaring people. They're upsetting people. And unfortunately, they've basically got,
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I mean, these politicians are always running internals. And they know there's a majority
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that don't want to back off on these mandates. And it's sick. But that's where, you know,
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people have to change that minority into, or majority into a minority, and the politicians
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will follow. But right now, even if they themselves want to roll those mandates back,
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they know they'll pay a terrible political price for it.
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Yeah, I think there's a lot of people out there in the world who've never actually done anything
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worthwhile for another person. And so when the TV is telling them, you're saving lives by wearing a
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mask, getting your vaccine and scolding people for going the wrong way in the grocery store.
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They don't want to let go of that unearned sense of heroism, right? They want to really,
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the pandemic is making them the good person they actually never were.
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Yeah. And they don't trust us with personal choice. Like Jane and I hit a quilt shop in Utah.
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It shows, you know, the high party life we had on our trip there. But it was an unusual spot. It was
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very busy and crowded, actually. And we realized when we got in that almost everybody in it was
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masked. So you know what? We grabbed a mask at the front because people were looking uncomfortable.
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It wasn't forced, but it was just a courtesy. Fine. If you guys are more comfortable with this mask
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and it's your private property, I'll put one on. And you know what? If I was coughing and gagging
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and sniffling that morning, I wouldn't be going out and around people. I don't need mandates to tell
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me these things. Common courtesy and decency does these things for me. And most people have it.
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Yeah. I mean, we've made it through flu seasons, immemorial, likewise with cold seasons,
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with people being respectful, not coughing into their hand and then touching everything in the
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grocery store. I generally think people don't do those things. There's always the one weirdo,
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but that those are everywhere. Those are also the same people who pull down their mask to pick
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their nose and then touch the crap dinner. You see that too. So much for my breakfast now.
00:24:42.000
Now, Corey, I know you've got a tight timeline and so do I. So why don't you tell us about
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Triggered, your new show? When does it air and what do you hope to accomplish with it?
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Sure. Well, I mean, it airs five days a week here in Alberta at 1130 AM until
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one o'clock PM out in Standard Time. And it's live. Like that's the hard thing, but what inspired us,
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I mean, a lot of us grew up with talk radio. It was a large part of our political growing and
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learning. And talk radio, like so much of the other mainstream media, has just gone to crap.
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They're cowardly. There's no hosts who take on strong issues or get themselves triggered and
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worked up. It's just news reading practically nowadays. So we thought we can fill that void.
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This is the digital world. We can have a live production with live guests, interactivity with
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the commenters and things like that. So we've been developing that show here at the Western Standard.
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And yeah, so far it's been going really good. So we're carrying on with it.
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So where can people access that? Because I think you're filling a huge hole left by Dave
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Yeah, we really miss him. And that's some of that inspiration. Or even Danielle, you know,
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Smith, she was doing very well while she was there. And she basically got driven out because
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of how horrible it's gotten. And if you go to westernstandardonline.com, of course,
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you can see paths to it. We have our, when we stream, it goes to our YouTube channel,
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our Rumble channel, our Facebook page, all at the same time. You just have to go to any of those
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channels and search for Western Standard and you'll find our channel. And yeah, the show will
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come on live. And of course, if you can't catch it live, the show stays up there. You can watch it
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Oh, that's awesome. I'm so glad that you're doing that work. Again, there's just a huge void in talk
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radio in Alberta. Everybody went woke and then went broke and then they got fired, which is fine by me.
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And you guys are filling the void and Candace is. And it's just great to see the alternative media.
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You know, that's the only thing leaving the legacy media hanging around is people thinking
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there's nowhere else to go. And they're finding out, no, there is somewhere else to go. And we
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can see it. They're declining and good. They deserve it.
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Thanks so much for coming on the show. Best of luck in your new show. And hopefully we'll have
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I'm very excited for Corey's new show, Triggered. I've caught a couple episodes of it so far
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and it does that thing that conservative talk radio used to do, at least here in Alberta. And that
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was provide a counterbalance to the homogeneity of the mainstream media landscape here, particularly
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in print media, where everything is owned by one company, PostMedia. Now, if you'd like
00:27:27.480
to support our independent journalism on the Trucking Convoy, as we do have a reporter, Mocha
00:27:33.240
Bezergin, completely embedded inside of it to bring you the other side of the story, the
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side of the story the mainstream media doesn't want you to see about just how normal and reasonable
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the truckers are and how normal and reasonable the supporters of the Convoy are, please visit
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convoyreports.com. Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning
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in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week. And as always,
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remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.