SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Exposing the myths of green wind energy
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Dutch filmmaker Marijn Pools joins me to talk about his new movie 'Headwinds' and why he thinks there are two sides to climate change. We also talk about why he chose to leave the corporate world of finance to pursue his passion for eco-activism.
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What happens when you try to get away from all the industrialization around you and just get
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back to nature and then you find out that where you've escaped to has been industrialized
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in the name of green energy? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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Oh today friends I want to reintroduce you to someone who's been on the show before but
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sadly not for a little while. His name is Marijn Pools. He's a Dutch filmmaker based in Germany
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and he does a little bit of what we do here at Rebel News. He tells the other side of the story
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and follows the facts wherever they lead him and what's interesting about Marijn is that he comes
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from the liberal left but all he does is investigate what he's been told. He investigates the conventional
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thinking about the left's golden calves of green energy, biofuels, wind turbines. He even made a
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movie called Paradogma about what happens to you when you're on the left and you stray from their
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orthodox thinking. But back to the movie that we're going to talk about today. It's called
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Headwinds and Marijn made it in collaboration with Alexander Poole. The movie tells the story of
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Alexander who himself was a green energy financier who saw problems with the industry. He was working so
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hard to grow and so he wanted to get away from it. But he realized that even when he escaped
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all the way to the wilds of Sweden, the destruction of green energy had followed him there. So joining me
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tonight from, get this, his treehouse in Germany is my friend, Dutch filmmaker, Marijn Pools.
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Thank you so much for being on the show. It's been a long time since I talked to you. But you're back
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and you're back with a new movie. But you might be because it's so long since I talked to you and
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that's my fault. Why don't you give people a brief introduction to yourself because you are a very
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experienced filmmaker. This is definitely not your first documentary. It's not your first documentary
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sort of on the topic of how there are two sides to combating climate change. But let's go back a
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little and tell everybody sort of where you come from. Yeah. Well, I'm an independent documentary
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maker. I started in 2008 covering stories in mainly in development countries. And I made over 50
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documentaries in these countries for TV, for NGOs, for, you know, people in the developing world. And
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after that, I stopped doing it because I was asking myself the question, you know, I can continue this
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until I'm 65. But, you know, it doesn't help me any further. And I wanted to make a film which was
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completely independent. So I financed it by myself. And I made a film about climate change,
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not about climate change. It was about agricultures. But, you know, all these wind farms were popping up
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at the meadows of the farmers. So I needed to ask questions about these wind farms. And then you
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need to start questioning what is climate change. So you're, you know, you dig into the science and
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and then, you know, quite an interesting story came out. The uncertainty is settled. And then,
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you know, I sort of rolled out of the old system, I lost my network, because I made a film,
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which was controversial, and you shouldn't be allowed to make controversial films.
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So I was, you know, they made me everything you can imagine. And after that, I start,
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you know, continuing this spirit of new stories of, you know, a there are two stories, why are we not
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hearing them on the mainstream news, and I'm coming from the mainstream as well. So I asked that
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question as a liberal guy, we just want to have a lot of perspectives to make up on my own mind.
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And, you know, since then, I made four other documentaries, like a trilogy, the uncertainty
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is settled about climate change, paradox, about, you know, the controversial debates we have. And,
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and then I made the return to Eden about solutions. When we speak about, you know,
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climatic instability, let's put it like that. And, you know, and I was on a on a search for a for
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another story. And then I remember, it was one year ago, September. And I was 20 minutes ahead of the
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premiere of return to Eden. And I got an email of Alexander Paul from Sweden. And I'm, I don't know
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why. But, you know, I read the, I've read the first three sentences, and I just really called him. And,
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you know, I made a story about it. So I did again. And Hedwind is the name. And it came out
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one and a half week ago. And basically, it's a story about a former London banker, Alexander Paul
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worked for, you know, the world's greenest bank, HSBC, he was idealistically driven,
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he financed big wind farms and solar farms convinced he was sort of saving the planet. But he woke up to
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the fact that today's green is actually pitch black, and a ego driven, corrupt and broken system. So he
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gave up banking and moved with his family to a remote place, somewhere in the in the northern Sweden
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forest. And his dream was to go back to nature, start an eco farm and put as, you know, much as
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distance as he could between his family and the, the, as he said, the industry industrialization of
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the nature. So until a wind park was planned at the gates of his paradise garden. So it's kind of an
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ironic story, you see, and he now is challenging these wind farms at court, three of them, that these
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turbines are not saving anything. And the construction companies are lying, cheating to the local
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community that this wind farm park is boosting economy, you know, but none of the workers companies
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are actually from Sweden, they're all from Norway, Britain, Germany. So it's not boosting anything. So even the
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electricity produced of that wind park seems to go to a new Google data center in Finland, 1000 kilometers
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away. And in this story, Alexander and I are sort of visiting stakeholders of wind farms and
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You know, and for me as a rural person, as I was looking through the like, as I was watching your
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documentary, looking at the imagery, it feels very familiar to me. I know you spent some time in
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Calgary, I'm here in northern Alberta, and the landscape looks very familiar to me as I saw that. And I
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thought, this is something that we as rural people all across, I guess the world, but particularly
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the Western world, we sort of prickle against all the time where you have a lot of people living
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downtown in urban centers, feeling bad about their lifestyle and their comfortable first world
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lifestyles. They feel as though they're destroying the planet. So they want green energy. They just don't
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understand what that means to the people who don't live in the city. And so to make a bunch of city
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people feel better, people like me have to live with these ugly, destructive wind turbines. And as is
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pointed out in your documentary, the footprint of a wind farm, per the electricity or amount of energy
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produced is so much greater than a well done compact fossil fuel project that in the end would be a lot
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cleaner. Because one of the things that I really enjoyed that you pointed out is the sort of supply
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chain attached to a wind turbine, you go through not only where, you know, the companies involved in
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building them and where the electricity goes. So these poor people in Sweden have to have these ugly wind
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turbines so that the energy can get sold to Finland, so that Google can meet its green energy targets
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for a data center. And I think that's, that's a point we'll get to in a second. But you also go
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through how this is sort of the supply chain of a wind turbine is an attack on human rights as well,
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from China, to the Congo, to the cobalt mines. It's not just a human rights issue for the people who have
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to live underneath these things, but it's also a human rights crisis, you know, just in the creation
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of them. Yeah, absolutely. You're right. And that's my worry as a, you know, left liberal. I'm, I'm, I
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documented so many conflict areas in, in, in, in the development world. And what you see is a lot of
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conflicts are based on, upon oil, you know, the distribution of oil, the prices of oil. So this is a
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conflict, right? And, and we, we are starting to manage it better and better. On top of that, you
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know, we should not be in the illusion that we will get rid of oil, because we need oil for centuries to
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come in a lot of products. So that these conflicts, these complex conflicts stay. But now, on top of
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that, we create new kind of conflicts, which are the mineral conflicts, you know, we got the cobalt of
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70% of the world's supply of cobalt, cobalt is, you can find them in the Democratic Republic of the
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Congo, you know, and that's that African country where there is a bloody conflict for generations.
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So we are continuing to doing that. When you talk about the minerals, the rare earth minerals,
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over 70% coming from China, with a lot of damage to the environment, social impact, it's poisoning the,
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the, the regions of, you know, refinement of the minerals. So we are creating double trouble by
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embracing that whole new renewable energy project, which is absolutely not benefiting climate
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whatsoever. It's, it's only, you know, it's only creating more energy and more conflicts.
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And, um, so, so all the conflicts are getting more, much and more complex to solve. Um, and we had good
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systems, we had a very good infrastructure and oil and these kinds of, you know, reliable
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on-demand sources of energy, you know, and I think when you want to flourish humanity,
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you should give them cheap, reliable on-demand energy, which was oil and coal. And of course there
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are problems, uh, challenges attached to oil and coal, but it still is the most safest and
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environmental friendly form of energy. You know, you should not drink a barrel of oil. You know,
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that's not what we should do with oil. Then, then oil becomes bad, but when we treat it well
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and well managed, um, then, you know, the, we have more time to figure out better ways of get rid of oil.
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I think that's the, the whole panic situations makes a lot of complex conflicts, which we don't
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think about because we're in panic, right? It's crisis and we should, uh, we should, um, do it as
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fast as possible. It's five past 12, what they say, but that the problem I have with, with, with these
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kind of, uh, politics that it's a crisis and we should solve it today is first of all, when you
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call it the crisis, uh, and governments call us a crisis, then you take away the whole democratic
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fundament of society, because in a crisis, you don't, you don't want to have a debate, right? When
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you, when your village is on fire, that's a crisis and you don't want to debate within two weeks. What
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are we going to do with that burning village? No, it should be, it should be done today. So, you know,
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the crisis management will, um, will take care of that. So there is no democracy at that point and,
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and has a, has a good right, but in terms of climate and renewables, you know, to, to call it a crisis,
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you're sort of paralyzing humanity and paralyzing the democracy to have a rational debate,
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uh, how are we going to fix it? And, um, you know, I think, I believe we're not in a crisis.
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We are in a challenge, how we, you know, dealing with, with the planet and the climate and the
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environment, uh, there are new techniques and we should develop them more and more. And by then we
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should, you know, develop our old infrastructure as well, more and more, more efficient, more, uh,
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climate neutral or friendly of environmental friendly. So I think that's the biggest problem
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I have with, um, you disturbing a lot in society when you go to renewable energy and social impact,
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human rights impact, but also just the common sense. Yeah. I mean, the governments and when they
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call it a crisis and when little Greta Thunberg, who I think she graduated high school by now,
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who knows when she says that, you know, the world is on fire, governments move from being
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thoughtfully responsive to what they think is a challenge to reactive to a crisis. And I think that
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it takes the people out of the whole equation, the people who these policies affect, we don't become a
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consideration in it because as you say, they're trying to put out the fire in the burning village,
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instead of building a fire break around the village so that the village can be a little more
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resilient. Uh, there are some things actually that I wrote down as I was watching your documentary,
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because I thought what, what, uh, it's something I had never thought of. And I sort of exist in this
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world of being critical of climate change policies. And, and that is when your, um,
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your co-filmmaker Alexander Pohl, he said, the climate is not alive. Nature is. And I thought,
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yes, I have, I've never, I know that I intrinsically know that, but the other side of the argument,
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they treat the climate as though it is this living, breathing organism that they can feed or starve
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based on their lifestyle. And that's not, that's not how it should be. The trees are alive. The
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people are alive. We're all part of the ecosystem, but they are sort of throwing out the alive things
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's being kept alive by a lot of factors, including humanity. Absolutely. And
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climate is, so it's, he talked about the order of things, right? And, and we are, we are always
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shouting that we are saving the climate, but that's, you know, it doesn't make sense. You know,
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we should save nature. And when we act as humans, as proper as we can in nature, then climate will be
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fine. You know, and this is the challenge. This is the top down thinking, right? And, and I don't
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believe in top down thinking. I believe in you should, it should come from the bottom up. It should come
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from within and all of these ingredients like from bottom up and from within are taken away by politics
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because politics is responsible for it and they will lead humanity into the right direction. And
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they're shutting down democracy because they are the crisis management. So you're, you're taking away
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responsibility by people. And then you take away that, that living thing, which can feed climate in a
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positive way or nature in a positive way. And, and it should come from, from the bottom up. It should,
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you know, farmers should be responsible for taking care of their land proper, you know, and government
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should support them. It should not be the other way around. Now it's the other way around.
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Right. And it's not so, it's not complex. It's not, it's not difficult. You know, when you're,
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I mean, over 60% of the arable land is degraded in the world, right? And this is the biggest problem
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when we talk about climatic instability. When you, when you tell a farmer, you know, you know what,
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this is the problem. Your land is not healthy. Let's put it this way. When we, we want to have
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healthy land as government. So we will measure your land every half a year, the healthier your land,
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the less tax you pay. And I bet you within two years, it's fine, you know, because farmers are
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creative and they can do it, but they need to have responsibility because that responsibility of
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down to the, down on the level, that's the living thing. The climate is not alive. And that's,
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I guess, where Alexander was talking about that when we switch that and we give responsibility back to the
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people and treat our nature as we should do as humans, then climate will be fine.
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There was also a point at which in the movie, and I don't want to give away too much of the movie
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because I want people to watch it and you really should. And there's so much in there that I don't
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think I could ever give it all away anyway. But Alexander is talking to a lady who works in promoting
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wind energy to the communities. And he basically says to her, does anybody double check to make sure all
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the promises the wind companies are making happen for these communities? And she says no. So her job
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is just to come in, make big promises to the communities and walk away. And whatever happens
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to the communities where these horrible wind farms are put, well, that's on them, I guess.
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Yeah, that's, unfortunately, there's a truth in all these top-down models,
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which is not saying that these people are bad. You know, we don't have enemies, we have systems.
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And we should not forget that, that we have no enemies. And, but what you say is correct. It's,
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it's, you know, they're all part of a big puzzle, but they don't know how the puzzle should look.
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And when the puzzle is finished, then they look at a psychedelic artwork of, of dozens of wind farms
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standing there in our once beautiful landscapes, you know, but then it's too late. Right. And this
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is the problem with all these NGOs. They're all doing fine. They're all fine people. They don't,
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they're doing good work. You know, they're all there with heart and soul, but they don't see that
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whole picture where they're in. So, and that's dangerous. So I think this, this was one of the
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revealing part for me as well, that yeah, this could be a part of the problem that everybody is doing good.
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But don't have a clue how that large, big, complete puzzle look likes.
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Yeah. That was my takeaway is she's well-meaning. She's a true believer in the cause, but she's
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just the, as long as she made sure that these, you know, communities had buy-in to the projects she
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wanted them to have. That's really all that mattered because she felt altruistic. But
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but then she moves on to the next community and the next community and the community that before
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that deals with the fallout of the broken promises, the ruined landscape, the destructive,
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the destructive nature of just putting up a wind turbine, the supply chain problems. I mean, just the idea
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that there is so much of a tie to China. When we think about just the massive push for green energy
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and wind turbines, and then China is really backstopping all of this with products.
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It's really quite frightening knowing what we know now about, you know, how China operates in the
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world, especially during the time of coronavirus. You think that we would sort of be detaching ourselves
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from Chinese supply chains. And yet we're going all in as long as it means that we're saving the world
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by getting the most expensive energy on the planet, by the way.
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Yeah. I think the whole COVID situation learned us how close we are with China, close to China and where
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it's heading to. So, but what I, you know, why I made this film is that we are, we are so much focused
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on COVID and we should, right? We should defend our rights, defend our, uh, our own body, um,
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responsibility of our body as well. But we should not forget that, you know, the whole
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Corona situation could be a shadow for the bees to continue to build a new world. And the problem is
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that once we wake up, because, you know, the whole Corona situation is sort of paralyzed, uh, humanity and,
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um, the focus is only on COVID. But meanwhile, wind farms are popping up and it's business as usual,
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you know, and once we wake up in that whole Corona dream, we're standing there in these once beautiful
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landscapes filled with industrialization. And we didn't realize, you know, we realized what happened.
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So that's the reason I made this film to stay tuned, stay, stay awake, stay awake, and, and don't let
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yourself go down to the root of, you know, COVID is the only threat there is, there is, it could be used
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as a, as a big misty fog to do business as usual. And we are asleep.
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I think it's all part of the same problem. I think it is goes back to your, um, make everything
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a crisis, take the democracy out of the equation theory that COVID is the current crisis. So instead
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of considering people's human rights and civil liberties, let's just do things to them on the
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pretense that we're going to save them from an impending doom that they aren't smart enough to realize is
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right around the corner. And I think climate change was the same thing. There's a crisis.
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The people aren't thinking our way and doing what we want them to do. So we'll do it for them. We'll
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bring in a carbon tax that makes food more expensive. We'll start growing biofuels and
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will incentivize farmers to grow them. So what if there's no food, local food production anymore?
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We're saving the planet. People want green energy because fossil fuels, they tell us are,
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are killing the planet. So we're going to put up wind turbines in their neighborhoods,
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whether they like it or not. I think it's all part of the same thing. And when Corona resolves itself,
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because people eventually will leave the doomsday cult, I think after 20 months of two weeks to
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flatten the curve, some people are going to come to their senses and then there will be something else.
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Maybe it's climate change again, maybe it'll be something else, but I think the natural inclination
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of governments is to subvert democracy by using a crisis. And that's, I think the way it's always
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been. You know, and this is, this is the thing, you know, the government is acting like crisis
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management that they should do to sort of manage the mass, right? There should be some sort of
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direction and a crisis can lead people to a direction very easy. That's, that's soft power
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management, what they call in the cognitive science. And in my opinion, you know, climate
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change was there. It's being instrumental, instrumentalized as a, as a, as a crisis to
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use it to control people. It didn't work out. The Corona came up and they, they hijacked Corona,
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the virus to say, well, this is a very good activator to, you know, to beat, to beat the plan. And, um,
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once Corona will be gone, you're already noticing that Greta is already connecting these two dots
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into each other, right? The Corona has to do with, with climate and climate with Corona.
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Um, in Europe, we have, uh, the introduction of the green pass, which is the, you know, vaccination,
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um, pass, you know, and, and nobody's asking, why is it called green pass? What, what does green
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has to do with Corona? Well, it's not about Corona. You know, it's a, it's a very good activator to
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introduce the, the, the, the pass to use it, not only for Corona, but everything will be on it,
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your energy use. How much did you went to the toilet today, right? Oh, you're not able to flush
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it because you already flushed it two times today. So this is the thing, right? So Corona is a very good
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activator for the managers on top to, you know, steer us into the direction they want. So that's,
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that's the thing why it's good to have these, have this sort of awakening that we are, um,
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focusing on, on climate change as well, and not only on, on Corona. And it's part of the, you know,
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the whole narrative, right? Yes. I believe in China, they call that a social credit system
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and it's been around for a while. And so I do, I see the strong overlays. I see, you know, when
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politicians are saying, Oh, Corona virus lockdowns were good, not because they slowed the spread of
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Corona because I don't really think they did, but because look at the greenhouse gas emissions
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went down because everyone was locked in their home and they see that as an opportunity forcibly
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locking an innocent person in their home, as though they are on house arrest for them makes perfect
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sense because they don't care about the person or nature. They only care about this greenhouse gas
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target. And, uh, you can see the, the intersection of these two things coming together very quickly.
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And I think a lot of the freedoms we've given away, we're going to have to fight to get them back
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because they're not going to come back very easily again, because the government is in a constant state
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of crisis management, as you point out. Absolutely. And that's what, you know, to be honest, I made this
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film for free, you know, everybody can watch it. I'm 100% fan funded, so I don't need subsidized. I don't
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need paywalls or ever. I made this film available for everybody. So now we have a tool, right? Now we
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have a tool. People should please use the film to challenge project developers, investors, politicians,
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and, and others by asking them to, to demonstrate, you know, how their project is different. People
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should include local newspapers, radio station, and influence on their request. And I mean,
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let's be honest, you know, true and integral media has left this planet a long time ago. So what are we
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going to do about it? Well, we should take the power back and people can post a story on the social,
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use this film as a tool, um, to, to, you know, combat the, the, um, this, this kind of management.
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So I think this is the, the opportunity we have with, with a, in my opinion, a hero like Alexander
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Paul fighting these wind parks, me with, you know, the, the passion of making a film about it,
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you guys of, you know, pushing this story a little bit, you know, into the, into the public eye.
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And then it's all about the democracy. Again, we given the tools to the democracy to flourish again,
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and we have it, you know, so I think people underestimate the power of them, uh, of themselves,
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but you know, one man can change the world. Really. You see it on how rebel media started.
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You see how I, but I've been started. You see how Alexander Paul has been started all single
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persons. And the, and the only thing we need to do is connect the dots and fight on a very
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integer, peaceful, and smart way, just how they do it. And we have the tool now.
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So it's, it's strange that just telling the truth now is an act of rebellion and bravery
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against the powers that be. And, you know, that's what, one of the things I wanted to touch on before
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I let you go. Um, one of, as you were sort of examining you and Alexander were examining
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the money behind the wind farm that was going up in his neighborhood and how these things are really
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designed to take a loss. Uh, and the electricity being generated wasn't for Sweden. Sweden doesn't
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need it. Sweden has already, in fact, met its green energy targets because so much of their electricity
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is actually green because it's hydro electricity. The electricity being generated in this wind farm
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is being sold to Finland for Google for a massive data center for Google, which, uh,
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you could argue controls a vast swath of the world. If you control the information,
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you sort of control the people, you control how they interact and that's where this is going. So
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when people think, well, I don't have a wind farm in my neighborhood, it doesn't affect me when it
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affects how you consume data and the data that you can, that you're allowed to see, um, it does affect
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you. And I think that's one of the reasons why Google, I would, I said, I suspect is censoring
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people's ability to find your movie on YouTube. So please tell people how they can find it. And, uh,
00:31:00.120
more importantly, support the very important work that you do, because again, you are not
00:31:05.080
investor funded. You're not government funded. You are fan funded, crowd funded, just like we are here
00:31:12.360
at rebel news. And I think that's the most democratic way to do it because you know, instantly when you get
00:31:17.160
something wrong, the people let you know right away. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm walking
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a very thin line, so I should be careful, but what you say is true, you know, and imagine the fact that
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we're, when we talk about development counties, right, they could use a bit of electricity when we
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really want to help the world to make this planet a little bit, a better place. We should not give that
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electricity to Google. We should give it to Africa, you know, and people were very different
00:31:48.680
in reaction, I guess, when you say, you know, this is a big wind farm, but all the electricity is going
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to Burundi, you know, because nobody has electricity there, but no, instead it's going to Google,
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finance new electricity, new needs and addict us even more to, to mainstream social platforms.
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Um, as a matter of fact, what you're talking about that, you know, we're being censored more
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and more and more. So I think this is a very, uh, it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's a rape of nature.
00:32:20.840
It's a rape of humanity. It's, it's a rape of everything, actually, that whole renewable project.
00:32:27.640
So how do people support you? Because you are crowdfunded. Um, you're not taking any money from
00:32:32.840
anybody and you are actively, I suspect you're, I'm saying it, not you censored by Google,
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because I deal with Google censorship every day. There's a list of things we can and can't say
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about certain topics. Um, they, if you talk about climate change, you are not easily discoverable
00:32:49.880
in the algorithm. So how do people support Moran Pools and his work?
00:32:55.480
Well, mainly do you go to moranpools.com and there you find a support button and they
00:33:00.120
click around and they find their ways how to support me. Um, and that's it actually. I'm,
00:33:05.960
I'm, uh, yeah, what you said, I'm, I'm being censored and you feel it, uh, everywhere and you
00:33:11.160
see it actually as well. It's, it's quite open that you're being censored, but Hey, and on the other
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side, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm still alive. I'm still there and I still continue. I will continue.
00:33:21.240
And, you know, the more people will fund me, the stronger I will be to, you know, beat the
00:33:27.240
censorship and find other ways to, um, to get the story out there.
00:33:33.400
And it's certainly it's a, it's a, well, it's a hard time. It's, it's, it's a, it's an interesting
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time. I must say as an artist, you know, because I am an artist, um, it's a very interesting time
00:33:46.200
what's happening. And I'm very glad that I'm alive in this kind of era, um, to work with these topics,
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um, and to find a way on a, a bit of a smart way, I hope to a non-violence way to break,
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break that solids fundament of the old system and try to reinvent a kind of a new system.
00:34:15.880
Uh, and this is a kind of organic process, you know, so it's, and that's the most interesting
00:34:22.760
part that you work on the people that the feelings, the gut feelings there is, you try to dig in
00:34:27.720
stories, you reveal truth. And, you know, from there out, it's, it's only light what can shine,
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you know, and, and, and I'm, I'm very hopeful that we will, because I don't believe that the
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world has changed too much. You know, the world is the same as 200 years back. There were managers
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as well. There were kings, brutal kings, but now it's become visible. And this is the most beautiful
00:34:56.360
thing. And that, that Corona had did that, right? Because when you meet someone on the street and you
00:35:02.360
give him a hand and he's, he's not taking your hand, you know, exactly. Okay. Right. It's quite
00:35:07.880
visible that, that parallel society, it was always be there, but now it's quite visible and you can
00:35:14.520
work on it. Um, so for me, that that's so hopeful that I'm being funded by people. I don't have an
00:35:22.280
agenda. The only agenda I have is to inform people in order that they could think for themselves. You
00:35:28.120
know, that's my agenda and people are supporting me. It's like, you know, you can go to a food,
00:35:34.120
a soccer match, right? And when you go to a soccer match in Europe, you pay 80, 90 euro to,
00:35:38.580
you know, be in a stadium. Um, when you're a poor guy, you will not allow to go into when you go to,
00:35:45.720
um, to, to, um, biking, right. Um, you can, you can be there as a homeless guy along the streets and
00:35:54.400
enjoy biking, seeing biking, right? So you don't have to pay, but other people pay for the event.
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And that's the sort of system I'm in right now. So I'm doing it for everybody. And those who can
00:36:07.920
please support me and those who don't have any money, don't bother, just watch my movie. And you
00:36:14.480
know, there will be a time that you can fund me or, or not. It doesn't matter. And, and this is the,
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this is such a strong system, which cannot die. Yeah. I mean, the people who, who can't,
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who can't chip in, they chip in in their own way by taking the message and spreading the information,
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um, when they take those arguments out into the world. And you are right. It is a, it's a strange
00:36:40.640
time to be in media or your case, uh, as a film creator, you do make some enemies when some of
00:36:50.400
them are powerful, you know? Um, but for every one enemy you make, I think you find two new allies.
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I mean, look at you, you're from the left. We're not even supposed to be talking. And, uh, and we have
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so many common interests and, and primarily the greatest interest is telling the truth and making
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sure that people have the information they need to make decisions for themselves without the
00:37:15.800
government making those decisions for them. Yeah, that's absolutely right. And, you know, there is,
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what I'm keep repeating is we don't have enemies. We have systems, right? And these systems are
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creating enemies of us, out of us. You know, when you talk about the left and the right, you know,
00:37:33.120
I know where you, where you're going to, that's, you know, we're not supposed to talk to each other
00:37:38.040
because we should be, uh, you know, fighting against each other, but we should not trap in that,
00:37:44.200
in, in, in, in, in, in that hole, because we are so much the same actually. And we have the same
00:37:52.480
we all, you know, want to, want to leave this planet a bit, bit better as how we found it. Right.
00:37:58.940
That's our main common interest. And the roads are, might be different, but the horizon is the same
00:38:05.740
and we should not be played out by those people who want to play us out. And of course I have,
00:38:14.760
you know, people see me as enemy, but I don't have enemies. Um, these people who are saying that
00:38:20.880
they're my enemy, they're in a, in a wrong system, which I don't like, and I'm trying to break it,
00:38:26.160
but they are not enemies for me. So that's the way, how you can survive. And, um,
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yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm very interesting, uh, how to see how this is developing. Um,
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but you know, it's unstoppable. It truly is because it's powered by the people. Um, and if
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anything, over the last 20 or so months of coronavirus, I think the old dynamics between
00:38:53.040
left and right have sort of fallen apart. And now it is people who want to be left alone and people
00:39:00.040
who won't leave them alone. I think that's where we're at now. Um, people who want to live their
00:39:05.260
lives, their own way, and people who want to control the other people who just want to be
00:39:09.760
left alone. I think that's the new political dynamic in the world right now. Um, right.
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Moraine, I could talk to you all day. I know. Yes. We should be neighbors actually. I know. Well,
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and it's funny because I see the, uh, the logs in the background and I think that is exactly like
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my home. So it's funny how you can, um, find these, uh, allies with people who are on the other side
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of the planet. Again, that was one of the takeaways from watching your movie is Northern Sweden
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infected by those wind turbines. That could be my neighborhood. And I think a lot of people watching
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your movie will feel the same way. Um, I hope that, and I will include a link to your movie in
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the show notes today. Um, I want to thank you very much for coming on the show. I will not
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leave it as long before we have you on the show again next time. And I'm sure, um, you'll,
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you'll be working on something very important, very, very soon. Absolutely. Thank you so much. Uh,
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You know, Moraine is so right, whether it's climate change or COVID, some people out there
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are trying to control us by dividing us. They're telling us what to think, how to act and who we can
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talk to because by keeping us apart, they keep us weaker and more easy to control. So don't listen to
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the government, talk to your neighbors, talk to your friends, talk to your family and have
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conversations. The government and these power brokers don't want you to have. Well, everybody,
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that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same
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time in the same place next week. And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had