SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ How Trudeau's attack on oil and gas will harm Indigenous communities
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Justin Trudeau goes to the UN to promise to put half a million Canadians out of work, and the world applauds. I m Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you re watching The Gunn Show, a free audio-only version of my show.
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Oh hey Rebels, it's me, Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're listening to a free audio-only recording
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of my weekly Wednesday night show, The Gunn Show, and I say this every single week, this is the
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Now tonight my guest is my good friend Robbie Picard from Oil Sand Strong, and we are talking
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about Justin Trudeau's evil plot. No, that gives him far too much credit and attributes
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intelligence that I just don't think is there. I think it's more of a harebrained scheme that
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Justin Trudeau announced this week at the UN Climate Change Conference to have Canada pursue
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net zero CO2 emissions by 2050, which according to senior economists at TD Bank say will
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unemploy about half a million people, primarily in the west of Canada. We're talking about a few other
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Justin Trudeau goes to the United Nations to promise to put half a million Canadians out of work,
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and the world applauds. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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The UN Climate Change Conference is upon us once again, and this year it's being held in Glasgow,
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Scotland, where all the climate scolds from all across the world engage in transatlantic or
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transcontinental airline travel to lecture us normal people about recycling programs and the necessity of
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low-flow showerheads and the need to shrink our carbon footprints. And even though his former
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health minister very recently told Canadians about the need to limit unnecessary travel,
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Justin Trudeau and approximately 275 other Canadian delegates are in Glasgow. Last night,
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they even had a big fancy party, at least according to Justin Trudeau's itinerary,
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that was after scheming up new ways to damn the rest of us to ongoing energy poverty.
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Justin Trudeau made a promise to make Canada one of the most forested places on the face of the
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earth, net zero in carbon emissions by 2050. Just take a listen.
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We'll cap oil and gas sector emissions today and ensure they decrease tomorrow at a pace and scale
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needed to reach net zero by 2050. In reality, a recent analysis done by TD Economics says that net zero
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goals could result in nearly 500,000 jobs lost. And I think it flies in the face of Trudeau's goal of
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Indigenous reconciliation, considering that the largest employer of Indigenous people in this beautiful
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country, well, it's oil and gas and mining. It hardly seems reconciliatory to promise to
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unemploy a bunch of Indigenous people in their own communities, right? So joining me tonight to discuss
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this is someone who is both Indigenous and a staunch advocate for oil and gas development all across
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this country. He's based in Fort McMurray. Joining me is my friend Robbie Picard in the interview
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Joining me now is my friend Robbie Picard from Oil Sand Strong. Robbie, I know you're busy because
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besides being, I think, Canada's most effective pro-oil and gas advocate, you also own a small
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business. And so you're in the middle of doing some work and you were gracious enough to take some
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time. I wanted to talk to you first about Justin Trudeau at the UN Climate Change Conference. He
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basically announced on Monday that he plans to phase out, according to economists at TD Bank,
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about 500,000 jobs largely in the West in his pursuit of net zero emissions by 2050. First of all,
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what do you think prompted this? And do you even think this is remotely close to possible?
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You know, I had a kind of an epiphany today. I was doing some YouTube research and then I haven't
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heard from Greta Thunberg for a very long time. And I thought, you know, what did happen to Greta
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Thunberg? And then I realized that she's kind of given up advocacy and she started her dancing career
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and she was singing music now. And then I thought like, this is how ridiculous the world has become
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because a few months ago, she was sort of like, you know, the messiah of the climate movement. And truth is,
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she's just a split little girl onto her next thing. Justin Trudeau is sort of similar. Honestly, the more and
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more I researched this, and after all these years of trying to advocate for fossil fuels in the fossil fuel
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industry, I realized that most of them just don't have a clue what they're doing. And they're just saying stuff for lip
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service. It is impossible to get rid of fossil fuels. Justin Trudeau knows that everyone knows it. But for some
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stupid reason, we are playing this pretend game that we are somehow going to somehow get rid of fossil
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fuels. In the meantime, we're going to attack the hopes and dreams of average Alberta workers and
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Canadian workers that are just simply trying to get by with constantly threatening their job. Justin Trudeau
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has lost the popular vote twice. And I'm hoping that once and for all, there'll be a new government
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that stops this insane insanity that we somehow need to have a war on fossil fuels.
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They all these people at the at the climate change conference in Scotland right now, they get on
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these private planes and they go there and they pretend the world is just messed up and know it's
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impossible. And Trudeau should stop this negative negativity towards Canadians fossil fuel industry
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and start promoting it because it only helps the Russians and Saudi Arabia and other countries
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get their oil to market while we sit here and still fight for trying to get our oil to market.
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In the big scheme of things, Canada makes no difference in CO2 anyway. We're barely a blip on the radar. So we
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need to start just getting over this insanity of this whole energy war period. And that's how I feel about that.
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Now I wanted to ask you something else because you're also a strong advocate for indigenous people to
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embrace fossil fuel development as a way out of generational poverty. And Justin Trudeau has
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lowered the flags because he says it's in the interest of reconciliation based on residential school
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discoveries. But really, this oil and gas and mining, it's the largest employer of indigenous people
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in the country. How does this foster his, I guess, fake commitment to reconciliation if he goes to
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Glasgow and threatens the jobs of hundreds of thousands of Canadians and many of those are
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indigenous themselves? See, the truth is, is that right now every single indigenous organization in
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my community has a deal with oil and gas now. It's never been better. They've just recently did another
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pipeline agreement. There's businesses. There has never been a tighter connection. So anytime he
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talks about damaging the oil and gas industry, he's literally talking about destroying the lives and
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income of indigenous people across the country. So that's one. Two, I don't think you'll see Greenpeace
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or these organizations coming up here talking about indigenous rights when it comes to oil and gas anymore
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because the very indigenous people that they claim to be helping have solid deals with oil and gas for the
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first time. The country itself, which Justin Trudeau is the prime minister of all of us. And as
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unfortunate that is, he's just as much your prime minister as he is mine. And he needs to represent
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all of us with the same type of respect and equality. And I think he's just, he likes shiny things.
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He took his private jet to Europe to go talk about climate change. And it's another useless,
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ridiculous thing that they're consistently doing. It's actually, it's just laughable.
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And it's not going to go away. It's just our normal, but I guess average Canadians,
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we can actually start legit calling them out for being like a spade is a spade. I mean,
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here's, here's what I would tell all the people that are in Scotland right now. If you care so much
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about climate change and CO2 emissions, you know, something that happened during the pandemic,
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what you and I are doing right now, you can Skype the whole thing, or you can zoom the whole thing
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until the leaders themselves of this world start practicing what they preach. We are,
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should not be in any position to take them seriously. They could have done this entire
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climate change conference over zoom. I mean, the queen of England zoomed in herself, so we can zoom
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in and we can talk and maybe then, then we can actually take them seriously. But I don't truly know
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what they're trying to do, but I mean, it's been a long time now, the same nonsense. There's something
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else they're up to. I'm not sure if it's one world government or if it's a, you know, a universal
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income or something else that they're trying to do over and over again, but that seems to be more
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what, what I think this is about. I think it's less about the environment and it's more about
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changing how we govern the world. And I think it's, we need to have that conversation because it makes
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no sense. I mean, we, we, he just builds a trans mountain pipeline and then he's talking about
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reducing and it's just talking out of both sides of his mouth all the time. And it's quite frankly,
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it's getting sickening, but unfortunately the way that our government, our country is set up,
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you can't just vote them out if you're in Albertan because you have no say. And that's the reality of it.
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You know, I think you might be onto something. Um, when you see how the reaction to COVID played out
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and then the behavior of our politicians in relation to COVID, it's very much the same thing
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as what you're seeing with climate change. So they tell me climate change is deadly and it's real and
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we're all going to die in 12 years, but they take a private jet to their parties in Glasgow and
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every other city that they hold these things every, um, different year. And you and I, we're supposed
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to stay home, get all locked up in our houses, work from home, not to our friends and family, but they're
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over there. For example, we're recording this on Tuesday afternoon. Justin Trudeau is holding, or at least
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in attendance at a party tonight of world leaders and business leaders. But you and I, we could only have
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so many people in our house, uh, at Thanksgiving. And we were told by Justin Trudeau's health minister,
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no unnecessary travel, but he's jet setting all over Europe and headed to the climate change
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conference. So I think there's a lot of things that are the same. They are using this supposed
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existential crisis to change our behaviors and control every aspect of our lives.
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Well, that's just it. It's do as I say, not as I do. And it's been like that for quite a while. So,
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but the more and more I talk to people, I think people are catching on to it. And I, I, I think people
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are sick of it. And, uh, I, it's, there is no getting away from fossil fuels. So we might as well
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embrace that we need them and develop them alongside with all forms of energy, whether it's solar or
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wind or whatever, in a cohesive way that makes sense for the planet. And this notion that we somehow can
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get rid of it. I honestly believe that if we go down this path of unlike our mad rush to get all
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these batteries and all that, you're going to see far more damage to the environment than oil and
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gas has ever created. You're already seeing it now. And, uh, we need to be honest about this
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conversation and we need to call out the hypocrisy. I mean, Trudeau should not be talking about hurting
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the Canadian economy anymore than he's already done. And even Jean-Croix Chan recently came out
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of, you know, um, like, you know, came out. His crypt. His crypt. And even he's like, Hey,
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listen, like, you know, inflation is going to be a giant problem for you, Trudeau. And you need to
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get a grip on this. You know what I mean? And like, like Jean-Croix Chan or hate Jean-Croix Chan. I don't
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think Jean-Croix Chan was an enemy to the oil center. In fact, he helped open Sincrude. But I mean,
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I think that that's the reality. I mean, this, I mean, the massive spending and the debt that the
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country's in right now, and they don't care, like it's not their money and they, but they're the
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stewards of it and they're going to leave us in this horrible situation. And it's going to be very
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difficult for generations to get out of it. So, I mean, I really hope that Canadians wake up and we
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start stopping this conversation that there's some other going to be this just transition and stop
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taking these washed out youthless environmentalists and, and taking their catchphrases and making it
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into policy. I mean, like, Hey, listen, there might be hope for me. Like I chained myself with a,
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with bail twine to the Greenpeace door a few years back, you know? So, I mean, maybe I'll be the next
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energy minister. I mean, I didn't quite scale the CN tower and I didn't attack a premier's house, but
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Now, you are very clearly hinting at a Steven Gilbeau who was with Equitair and now he is
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Canada's environment minister. And that should send a chill across the investment in the oil patch.
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Which I think is what his appointment was intended to do. But we revealed through documents that he was
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a recipient of Tides Foundation money and not just generalized Tides Foundation money, but money
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directly for the tar sands campaign to block Canada's oil and gas development, particularly
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in Alberta. And now he's the guy in charge. He doesn't have to take Tides money anymore to do
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the dirty work of shutting down oil and gas. He gets paid by the taxpayer to do it now. So isn't that
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convenient? Well, and I think we also got to realize one thing. I think on our side, we tend
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to, we don't flip flop a lot. Okay. So I'm a pro oil guy. You're not going to see me suddenly be
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anti oil anytime soon. But a lot of these so-called environmentalists, they actually don't give a shit
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about the environment. So they'll flip flop to whatever, whatever suits their needs at the time.
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So, I mean, I don't have a ton of respect for him. And I question why does Trudeau keep putting
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these people in power that Albertans don't like? But the truth is, is that in a lot of ways,
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I don't think he cares anymore. You know what I mean? And I don't think, you know, any of them do.
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So yes, that's very scary to put that fox in the, in the hen house here in Alberta with the hardworking
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hens trying to, you know, keep plucking away. And you got this fox at any moment, it's going to bite
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off their heads. So that's essentially what, what we're dealing with. We're, we're very nice here in
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Alberta. So. Yeah, I think you're right. I really don't think they care. I really don't even think
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they're environmentalists. I just think it is their vehicle to control your life. If you can control
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how much CO2 someone emits when CO2 is so intrinsically linked to everything that we do
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in our everyday life, then you control their life. When you think about it's associated with home
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heating and refrigeration and how your stuff gets on the shelf in the grocery store and how your food
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gets grown and how far you can drive your car and the lights in your house. If you can control
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that one thing, then you can truly, you can truly control the person. That's what I think this is
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all about because they don't act like environmentalists. They don't behave like it. They're not living
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small. They're not driving small cars. They're in tonight, Tuesday night, a big fancy party where
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everybody took a private jet. Well, that's just it, you know, and, and, but like, well, we're doing
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it for the environment that we have to travel here because we're, we're better than the rest of them.
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We're world leaders and that's essentially what the, what they're trying to do. So, um, it's, uh,
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it's kind of scary. Now I want to talk about something else. We'll switch lanes just a little bit
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here. Robbie, you were, or at least the campaign that you worked on, I think probably the only
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heartening success story of any major municipality in the last election, um, municipal elections here
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in Alberta that just, uh, wrapped up at the end of October. Edmonton somehow managed to be more
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progressive Calgary also went more progressive. You worked on a campaign that got a very pro oil
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and gas, very pro small business mayor elected in Fort McMurray. I don't think people really know
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just how sort of liberal progressive politics or in municipal politics are in Fort McMurray, but
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somehow you helped get the pro small business pro oil and gas guy elected. Tell us about the new
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mayor of Fort McMurray. Well, um, so I, it was, um, I'm very, actually I'm, I'm thrilled. Okay. So
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you worked hard to your own horn. You worked very hard. Well, okay. So I'll, I'll start with the
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counselors and I'll work up to our, uh, mayor Bowman, um, who's, uh, become a dear friend of mine.
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Um, um, I'm trying not to be too emotional here, but, um, uh, first of all, we want to talk about
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multicultural. We have the most multicultural, um, a council in, in history for McMurray. We have
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four Métis people on there. Sandy Bowman's Métis, the mayor, the MMA mayor, um, Kendrick Cardinal from
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Fort Chip. I ran his campaign as well. Um, and then we have Al Granderson, um, and Loretta Cardinal,
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all pro oil, all Métis. Um, and, and then we had a couple other people. So, but here, here's the
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gist of what just happened. Um, we in Fort McMurray, I think have kind of had enough. Um,
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we have watched, um, our council for many years, literally, I'm not going to hold back,
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piss away hundreds of millions of dollars on stupid structures. Um, and I always kind of
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sat back and I never wanted to be involved in this politics. I thought about running for a
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little while during this because I was just fed up. I'll give you an example. There was a community,
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um, outside of Fort McMurray of the, uh, called Conklin. There's only 279 people that live in
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Conklin, but for some reason we built a $50 million rec center that just sits empty all the time.
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I'm all for giving the Conklin community the full money. I'm not saying that, but build what the
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community needs, build things like a little grocery store or a bingo hall or something,
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or enjoy the lake that surrounds the Christina Lake. So we have sat back for a very long time and
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I just had enough. So we, I talked to Sandy Bowman. So I'll delve into the mirror here. And, um,
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so Sandy Bowman is a seventh degree, uh, kickboxing, uh, black belt MMA fighter who has Bowman's martial
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arts. He's had it for over 30 years. Um, he also, um, successfully, uh, kicked the shit out of
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Butterbean, uh, the boxer in an MMA fight. And so Sandy's a friend of mine. He understood my advocacy
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and he, uh, approached about helping him run for counselor. And then how do I put this politely?
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Um, don't try. So when I realized the other two candidates that were running for mayor,
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um, at first I thought, you know, I don't know, we'll see how it plays out. And I didn't,
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I didn't really want Sandy to run for mayor. Cause I knew that would bluntly be a lot of work on my
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part. Um, but, um, he talked about it and then he said, I don't think I want to run for mayor.
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And then boom, he said, yeah, I'm running for mayor. And of course, you know, me, I'm very loyal.
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So I had no choice to work with him to see it through. And I, I'm beyond proud. We, he wasn't
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the front runner. He's never done politics before. And we managed to take out two incumbents. And I
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can tell you right now, like I live in the social media world and I can fight back when I need to.
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And some of the other people running the viciousness towards my business, towards me, it was next level.
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But other than, you know, snapping once, I kept it so clean and professional. And the people of Fort
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McMurray chose, and I, and I believe in six months time, Sandy Bowman will be the best
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more Fort McMurray has ever had. And arguably one of the best in the country. And I'll tell you why,
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because he is a good temper. So when we were filming and I was trying to get him to be a bit
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more excited in the video. And I remember looking at him and I'm like, Hey, you're like, you're too
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monotone. You're too calm. So I looked at him and I said, look, I am going to kick your ass,
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right? Thinking I could activate the MMA and then get a reaction. And he simply looked at me and
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didn't even flinch. You couldn't kick my ass. And at that moment, I knew he'd be a good mayor
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because he's going to be level headed. He's going to be calm. He's not going to overreact. And yeah,
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we have a pro oil, um, ATV loving MMA fighting, barbecuing. And he also likes the arts too. And
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he's very funny. Um, very good looking suit. Like, I mean, he wears the chain around him, like,
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like the best mayor ever. And I'm honored and proud, uh, to be a part of that campaign. And
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he believed in my local business. Um, he believed in me and, uh, to do the media stuff with our team
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was a very small team. It was only three people really, uh, four, if you count that we had a
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contemporary campaign manager come up for a little bit to help at the very end. Um, yeah, it was great.
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So I'm very thrilled. And, uh, we need that right now in Fort McMurray and just kind of look to talk
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about the disaster in Calgary's mayor. Well, the reality is, is that this is what I'm saying.
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These politicians, I don't truly know if they have any loyalty because taking on the new mayor of
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Calgary was quite easy. We just have to rewind a video from two years ago where she was declaring
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her love for oil and gas at a Canada action rally thing that she was at. So how many of these people
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in politics actually believe in anything beyond their own personal game of getting elected? So
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instead of, yeah. And frankly, like, and here's my message to Calgary, well, you know, to all the
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oil and gas companies, like, you know, who cares what your mayor says, the oil and gas comes from
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Fort McMurray. And if you'd like to move your head offices here, I know the mayor and I'll set up a
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meeting and see what they can put point you in the right direction. Because if Calgary is mayor is so
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stupid to unsalt the energy industry right now in this critical part of life in a city that 100% has
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benefited from the blood, sweat and tears from our small community here, let's be candid. There's not a
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lot of oil in Calgary compared to Fort McMurray. And the head offices in Calgary are to support stuff in
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Fort McMurray. So for her to be so stupid and naive to come out like that blows my mind. And yeah, and to all the
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rest of Canada, like and all the other mayors across this entire country, I can comfortably say
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that our mayor can kick all their asses. Well, I'm kind of excited to see Fort McMurray with the mayor
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that is more reflective of the culture of the average Fort McMurray resident, you know, with a
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embrace of nature through his love of ATVing and, and being a small business owner. I think I think
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that's great. And I'm so excited to hear that so many First Nations and Métis people were elected
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to council again, reflective of the actual community. And you played no small part in that. So you should
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really toot your own horn. I think there is if you know, everything else fails for you, and I don't
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think it will your marketing company and you know, your oil and gas activism, there is a role for you in
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politics and political organizing. Because I that's really I mean, you pulled off the most unlikely
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thing in Fort McMurray. Now, Robbie, your guy becomes a mayor, because of your hard work. And then
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something tremendous happens to you tell everybody because you deserve this.
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So, um, the ex of the mayor, Don Scott, and I Yeah, you know, I don't care. I am so proud. And I'm so
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happy this happened. I, I had accolades before one small awards before, but this one actually meant
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something for the past, I don't know, say seven years ish now. It's five since the fire two before
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so seven years I have been advocating for this community. And Mayor Don Scott, as his last one
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of his last official duties, granted me the key to the city. And yeah, it was one of the best moments
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of my life. I loved it. I also love the fact that all the people that hated me for getting sent to
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Bowman elected got to sit there and look at me as I held the key to the city. And I it was it was a big
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honor. And so I was very thrilled about that. So the plan next is to roll out the key to the city
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attention, which was substantial, not massive, but substantial. And I am hopping on as soon as I can
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get the show. I know I'm supposed to be all tough and like kind of all burden, right? But I have this
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bus and the bus is a five speed manual transmission, but it's actually a 10 speed if you count the low
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and the high. And that is such a pain. And so I need to change the transmission to auto. And then I'm
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taking our propane powered slash gas bus all the way to Ottawa. And along the way, I'm going to be
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filming people for a mini documentary trying to stop this insane disconnect between the
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election elite who live in Ottawa and are recession proof and have all this kind of like
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second, third generation cash that they somehow snub their nose and connect the dots saying that we are
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one country and fossil fuels is what connects us. And we need to understand that like getting rid of
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oil and gas and damaging the reputation of it, it actually really hurts the country. So the plan is
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I'm taking this bus. So if anyone's interested in helping, we're going to be setting up some
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sponsorship on the website at oilsanstrong.com or robbypicard.com and buy t-shirts and stuff like
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that. But we're going to, I'm going to be doing a monthly newsletter and magazine, and we're going to
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be charging $7 a month subscription for this. And if people could sign up for a year, that would really
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help. It is, I'm going to be candid. I need to raise a lot more cash. My marketing company carries
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oil sand strong. But if we really want to go up a level, we really want to take it up a notch. I'm
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one of the most known activists when it comes to oil and gas that there is. And I'm very proud of
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everything that we've done and I've done. But the truth of the matter is some of the other
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organizations have way more cash in us and they get handed them a way more cash and they can have
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staff. And I need to get to that point. I promise you one thing, Nilt, that if we get to this point
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that our advocacy will not be forgotten, it'll be bold and it will move the needle. And that's
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something that I'm very proud of. And we've proven, the thing with the Bowman campaign,
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I learned something, that I can't rely on other organizations to carry things anymore.
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If you don't like who's elected, you got to do something to get the right people that are elected.
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And my message to all of Alberta is real simple. Civic politics, the people that are your mayors
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or your counselors or whatever, are the most important. They affect every aspect of your
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lives. And if the other side is successfully trying to, they understand that they might not
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be able to get an Alberta federally or provincially. So they've gone to the level of mayor and counselor.
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And you need the people to run for these positions that are going to protect the future.
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So the goal of this bus tour is to open people's eyes to that we are all connected with oil and gas
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Well, Robbie, I'm very excited to see what you do next. I hope everybody goes to OilSand
00:30:37.240
Strong and supports the work that you do. And I should let you get back to it because the work
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you're currently doing for Robbie Picard Media is going to, as you say, carry the work that you do
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at OilSandStrong. So I'll let you get back at it. Thanks so much.
00:31:02.700
I don't know if you've seen yet, but my colleague, Lewis Brackpool, is at the UN Climate Change
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Conference in Glasgow. He's been bringing us the other side of the story, the side of the story,
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the true believing climate alarmist, climate hysterics in the mainstream media won't tell
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you because they don't want you to know it or they just can't see their own hypocrisy
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right in front of them. You've got to check out some of his coverage and you can support
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it too at rebelun.com. Justin Trudeau's bought and paid for mainstream media will not tell you
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what's happening at this conference. Neither will the UK based BBC and we don't get any government
00:31:50.740
money like the mainstream media here in Canada or the BBC in the UK. So if you'd like to support
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the work that Lewis is doing at the Glasgow Climate Conference, please donate at that
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aforementioned website, rebelun.com. Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you
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as always for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place
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next week. And remember, don't let the government or the UN or Justin Trudeau tell you that you've