SHEILA GUNN REID： Justice Rouleau rules that Trudeau's cowardly use of the Emergencies Act was ＂justified＂
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In February of 2022, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau invoked the Public Order Emergency Act on peaceful anti-anti-vaccine protesters in the nation's capital, Ottawa, Canada. Now, a judge tasked with examining the law's invocation has ruled in favor of the government.
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justice paul rouleau has issued his ruling that the invocation of the emergencies act by the
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coward justin trudeau was justified are you as unsurprised as me then barry cooper and marco
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navarrojini joined me to discuss their new book canada's covid the story of a pandemic moral
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panic it's february 17th 2023 i'm sheila gun reed and you're watching the ezra levant show
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after careful reflection i have concluded that the very high threshold required for the invocation
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of the act was met in particular for reasons that i discuss in detail in the report i've concluded
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that when the decision was made to invoke the act on february 14th 2022 cabinet had reasonable grounds
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to believe that there existed a national emergency arising from threats to the security of canada
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that necessitated the taking of special temporary measures
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i do not come to this conclusion easily as i do not consider the factual basis for it to be
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overwhelming reasonable and informed people could reach a different conclusion than the one i've
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arrived at well friends there you have it as unshocking as anything lately justin trudeau
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dodges accountability one more time the judge tasked with examining justin trudeau's use of a
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counter-terrorism law on peaceful anti-mandate protesters in the nation's capital last winter
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now after hearing six weeks of evidence has ruled in favor of the government big shock the aforementioned
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counter-terrorism law is the emergencies act and the official examination that's built into the law
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is called the public order emergency commission now the emergencies act has never been used before not
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even during 9 11 not when multiple canadian cities burned to the ground during seasonal wildfires not
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during the ice storms or the hurricanes not when a terror cell was running amok in toronto in the early
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2000s hatching bombing plots the ea as it's called was only ever used when canada's working class spoke
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truth to power in the most peaceful of ways the ea was invoked when last february's bouncy castles and hot
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tubs and street parties and the feeding of the homeless and the cleanup of the streets and the
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singing of the national anthem and sometimes errant honking amounted to a national security crisis
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beyond which all levels of government had the tools to deal with you know we get new viewers here all the
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time at rebel news so i'll give a quick backstory after two years of crushing covid restrictions and after
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two years of canada's truckers going back and forth across an international border without a forced
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vaccine mandate being the heroes that kept our economy going while everything else was shut down
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justin trudeau sought to bring those truckers under his thumb now despite the government's
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protestations that only 10 percent of canada's cross-border truckers would be affected by this
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new unnecessary vaccine mandate the government's own data submitted to the public order emergency
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commission headed by justice paul rouleau suggested that the number was actually closer to 50 percent
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one in two cross-border trucking families and suddenly like this the nation was finally at its
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breaking point with the government people who had gone along to get along had finally said enough is
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enough and truckers and their allies and their families and their supporters started a movement of
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convoys and blockades and peaceful protests and one of those landed in ottawa in the nation's capital
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in the country's public square justin trudeau's workplace because where else are you going to go
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to demand national change from the people in charge of the nation the people came by thousands to ottawa and
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those that couldn't come remained closer to home and protested in places like windsor ontario coots
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alberta emerson manitoba and vancouver bc and in those communities some of them blocked the borders
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in protest and they drew support from communities on both sides of that international border from
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people who had been cut off from each other for so long and at every single protest the police were
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vastly outnumbered by the country's useful people the builders the makers the drivers the movers and
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never once not even in the face of extreme police violence when these people were unlawfully detained
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illegally arrested they did nothing they reacted with peaceful resistance these blue-collar protesters
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never acted in a way that would inspire the police violence that was used against them
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in every single city and every single town including ottawa in which the protesters gathered
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the protesters could have taken over the place in under an hour having the means the skills the will
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and the vehicles to do it but they never did because taking over because insurrection because overthrow of
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the government was never their goal their goal was to get their freedoms back freedoms the government
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is tasked with protecting not revoking now six weeks of testimony and evidence were heard by the public
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order emergency commission six weeks of testimony from law enforcement officials saying they did not need
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extraordinary powers to contain the protests and the protests did not rise to a national security threat
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take a listen uh so sorry that threat that you're speaking about is with respect individuals but
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there the protest itself did not pose a section two threat to the security of canada what we've testified
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to is that we did not uh made a determination that the event itself uh we uh and i think it's it's part of our
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testimony yes okay and yet you still advised the prime minister to invoke the emergencies act
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yes i did and you did that not because you thought that there was the the protest posed a threat to the
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security of canada as defined in section two of the csesis act but because you were reassured that threat
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to the security of canada had a different meaning under the in the context of the emergencies act
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i think my testimony was uh was in part that but it was also based on all of the other information
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that you know i became uh aware of during uh all of the interdepartmental meetings and cabinet
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meetings i participated in so it was i was provided uh that opinion was provided if you want as a
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uh national security advisor as opposed to a the director of csesis specifically really what it comes
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down to was containing a protest that was already contained there's no need to quell a protest
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canadians are allowed to protest and even the justice paul rouleau acknowledged that one of the
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most cherished rights enjoyed by canadians is the right to engage in political protest
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the ability of individuals and groups to publicly voice their dissent enriches and empowers our democracy
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it's hardly surprising that government health measures would cause some form of protest in response
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given their impact on people's lives what was surprising was the size and scale of these protests
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and the way in which they proliferated across the country the majority of those who participated in
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the protests were animated by a genuine desire to engage in peaceful demonstrations so that their
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voices would be heard by leaders in government they wish to exercise their fundamental right to express
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their political views and they had a right to do so however like any large group there were a diversity
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of views and intentions among the participants of the freedom convoy amongst the many who intended to
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protest peacefully were others who had more sinister goals or who were willing to engage in dangerous
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conduct to achieve their desired ends for reasons that i discuss in my report what began as a massive protest
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protest evolved into something entirely unprecedented an occupation of the core of the nation's capital
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in fact rouleau said today in a roundabout way without actually ever saying it that it was a failure of police
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and the government that according to him necessitated giving over extraordinary powers to the police and government
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where cabinet reasonably considered it necessary to invoke the act is regrettable
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because in my view the situation that led to its use could likely have been avoided
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as i explained in my report the response to the freedom convoy included a series of policing failures
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though i have also identified sound practices employed by some police services in their response
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to relevant events some of the missteps may have been small but others were significant
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taken together they contributed to a situation that spun out of control the failures were not only in policing
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preparing for and responding to situations of threat and urgency in a federal system requires governments
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at all levels and those who lead them to rise above above politics and collaborate for the common good
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in january and february 2022 this did not always happen
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had police forces and governments better anticipated and prepared for the extent of political and
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social discontent exacerbated by covet 19 pandemic particularly in the environment of misinformation and
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disinformation so prevalent today and had they collaborated more effectively there could have been a different
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it's likely that such preparation could have avoided the necessity of invoking the emergencies act
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did you get that the government screws up the police screw up and innocent peaceful protesters
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are forced to pay the price with their civil liberties oh and their bank accounts too
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not just people in the convoy had their bank accounts frozen by extraordinary means
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but people who had donated to the convoy from afar but even justice rouleau acknowledged that much of the money
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never made it to the convoy so why did they need their bank accounts frozen i also found however
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that in a number of respects these measures were deficient these included important aspects of the emergency
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economic measures order such as the absence of any discretion related to the freezing of accounts
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or assets and the failure to provide a clear way for individuals to have their assets unfrozen once they
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were no longer engaged in illegal conduct but sadly in canada there will be no consequences for a
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government that either joked or seriously considered using tanks on my fellow canadian citizens who were
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only there in ottawa to protest the very things the government had done to them i believe minister lametti
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has mentioned that that was made in jest second i have already provided my comments relating
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to the fact that the canadian armed forces is the force of last resort therefore we were not considering
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deploying tanks in any number and uh minister lametti earlier on in testimony to this commission wrote the
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exchange off as a joke between friends do you think this is a joke i i take no part of my role as minister
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of national defense as something in jest obviously i am very concerned and was very concerned not only about
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the situation in canada but about the global strategic situation that we all find ourselves in
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and so i am very concerned to make sure that we are making decisions with full information and i know
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that's the case with minister lametti as well as the other colleagues around the table this was a very
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difficult time and we were all doing our very best in our respective portfolios but i'm not surprised
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by any of this and i doubt any of you are either has justin trudeau ever paid a consequence for any of his
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bad behavior his ethics violations his absolute mistreatment and disgust at canadians who simply share
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a different world view than him and we all know people who are trying to hesitate a little bit on
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we're going to try to convince them but there are also people who are faroochement opposed to the vaccination
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who are extremists who don't believe in science who are often misogynes who are often racist
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also it's a small group but who takes place and then we have to make a choice as a leader as a country
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no i wasn't expecting justin trudeau to be held to account today and i'm never expecting him to be
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held to account for anything he's ever done groping grifting demeaning it's all just how trudeau governs
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and parts of this country excuse it but my concerns today are for the future because the emergencies act
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is about to get easier to invoke if the government adopts justice rouleau's suggestions take a listen
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very carefully here i also found however that in a number of respects these measures were deficient
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these included important aspects of the emergency economic measures order such as the absence of
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any discretion related to freezing assets and the failure to provide a clear way for individuals
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to have their assets unfrozen when they were no longer engaged in illegal conduct report concludes
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with a set of 56 recommendations my recommendations relate to six broad areas policing federal intelligence
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collection and coordination critical trade corridors and infrastructure reforms to the emergencies act
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other areas for further study and follow up and accountability following the release of my report
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i hope that these recommendations will go some way to addressing the various issues and deficiencies of a
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systemic nature that i identify in my report did you catch that it's number four that should worry us all
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all reforms of the emergencies act justice rouleau is asking the liberals to reform the emergencies act and
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what that means it's not going to be more difficult to invoke in the future what that means is it's going to be
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easier the next time around because there will be a next time around because they've gotten away with it once
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and it worked so they will do it again join me up after the break is barry cooper and marco navarrogini on their new book
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canada's covid the story of a pandemic moral panic
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it became clear to my two guests about nine months on into the pandemic that something was wrong
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that what we knew already about the pandemic and about the spread of the covid virus
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wasn't being reflected in government policy and reaction to the virus and they wrote a book and
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now three years out they've updated their book and it is um according to the copy they gave me uh 530 pages
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so bible-sized um and so i thought i would have them on the show today to discuss what has updated in
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the book since what uh they've discovered um looking back in retrospect so joining me now are dr barry
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cooper and marco navarrogini marco is the president of the haltine institute and i would i would like them
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to discuss their book it's called canada's covid the story of a pandemic moral panic and this is like
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i said the updated version gentlemen thanks so much for joining me on ezra's show i guess we'll go back
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a little what prompted the authoring of the first book and jump in whichever one of you wants to
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answer first okay i'll i'll do it um hello and thank you for having us sheila this is it's great to see
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you again um we we both have uh similar and at the same time differing concerns when we started looking
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at this um my my very own was to tell you the truth uh fear uh at the beginning i started to see
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the images coming in from from the far east uh from iran from italy and thought my goodness what's
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going to happen to my children right so that was kind of my and then so i started looking at the
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data i started reading uh some of the medical journals and looking at mortality rates and and
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things like that one of the things that struck me as uh absolutely um fearful and at the same time
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quickly i found out that it was wrong is that we were comparing it to the spanish flu so that we
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were going to have proportions of deaths you know people dying on the streets like we did uh you know
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a hundred and some years ago and uh and it really quickly became evident that the story that was being
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peddled through the media and the actual reality were completely different and so part of the motivation was
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um to square the circle in that sense um but also uh because it pretty quickly became evident uh to
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both of us when we sort of started talking that uh there were sets of people or groups of people
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including politicians and doctors and bureaucrats uh who were more than willing to take advantage of
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the situation to increase essentially their standing and their power so i guess it takes me into my next
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question i'll i'll pose it to barry although i think marco answered it in part why did they whip up
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this hysteria what what to what end uh one of the things that uh one of the ways we approached this was
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from a french philosopher a guy named michelle foucault who's normally uh not associated uh he's associated
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with sort of left-wing ways of looking at uh politics post-modernism and all that stuff uh but
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he developed this notion of what he called power and knowledge uh and that struck me almost immediately
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i wrote a book on foucault years ago and it's it struck me uh just listening to the uh things that the uh
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particularly the health uh care professionals so-called um in the uh in the uh med school here
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uh from edmonton uh dina henshaw in particular uh the the remarkably um misleading statements coming
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out of ottawa with uh uh the uh our canada's chief doctor and so on uh it struck me that this they must
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have known that they were not telling the whole truth uh so what foucault's ways of looking uh at
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them taught us anyway taught me uh was it's all about power um why do people want power that's it
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that's the question you're asking uh and uh this is something that political scientists have been
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concerned about uh since the beginning of political science quite frankly so that those are the kind of
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questions that that we were interested in uh we had to read a lot of epidemiology and a lot of
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med sci stuff to uh make sense of the um mendacious uh misleading statements of uh of our uh public
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health officials but uh these are these are not it may be difficult to do medical science it's not
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difficult to understand when you read the results you can you know normal people can understand this
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stuff and there was a huge amount of controversy that was completely ignored by public health officials
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in order to peddle this narrative uh that we're all in in terrible danger we're all going to die
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uh get vax do this do that lockdown uh and it just it struck us both uh pretty quickly that this
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this was just a uh a ploy uh to ensure that they were not questioned yeah you know we didn't ever
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really hear from our chief medical officers of health particularly here in canada unless it was
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dina hinshaw warning us about the dangers of stds during the stampede like you never heard from the
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woman before and then all of a sudden she's the star of her own show every night on the dinner hour
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warning us uh about you know death counts and infection rates and i think some people really
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got addicted to the fame of it all but i also think people like got addicted to the money there were a
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lot of i i want to call them maybe crisis entrepreneurs the same people who jack up the
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price of bottled water during a hurricane those people came out of the woodwork to all of a sudden
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enrich themselves with government contracts peddling being the third person in the in the contract
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dealing ppe all of a sudden or getting contracts to create ventilators when they had no uh history or
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expertise in the medical system but all of a sudden they were stepping up to be the saviors during the
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pandemic yeah that was particularly true next door in bc um where dina hinshaw is now apparently fancy
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that um and uh there the chief medical officer of health had the imprudence to actually write a book
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about it uh and if you read the book it's a kind of confession that i really enjoy this i like people
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doing what i tell them uh this is a quote she called it a whole of government approach in other
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words she was telling the government of bc what to do um and i'm sure it went to her head uh it it had
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to uh the same thing happened with uh lesser lights in the med school at the ufc um i could tell just from
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watching some of these guys on television they were really enjoying it i mean i don't i don't mind going
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on tv but i it's i don't get a charge out of it anymore like maybe the first time it was a big thrill
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but now it's just you know part of your i don't know duty almost uh but those guys were just having
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a hell of a good time yeah it's evident right that that people who work um in an office uh hopefully with
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windows but not all the time uh suddenly have you know all these lights and all this attention
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and uh they they they couldn't help themselves i i like your your comparison to the to the
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entrepreneurs uh of uh bottled water and and toilet paper you remember that this whole thing started
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hispanic about about toilet paper and people sort of taking advantage and it's really no difference i
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mean no difference if you look at already we found out much later how much money miss hinshaw ended up
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you know um gathering from from all of this and uh the entrepreneurial part is
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kind of set up and this is kind of what sort of gave it away for me is that the doctors were already
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in a dispute with the premier in in alberta uh and so they took advantage of the situation to make
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themselves uh feel more needed that they normally would um exhibit a for example uh the government of
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alberta increased enormous amount of money is allocated uh to um to increase the number of
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beds for uh intensive care units and uh and that money was never put to use to increase the number
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of beds uh that that was needed so they were essentially choking the supply uh to to make themselves
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uh feel better and more needed now you've also talked about the collateral damage of the lockdowns
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it's chapter four in your book so we know about the financial followed i think on a small scale
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but do we have an you know like you've seen you drive through any neighborhood and you see
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the retail spaces that have closed the restaurants that didn't survive the lockdowns the bars and the
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gyms that didn't survive the lockdown but there's also a knock-on effect to this stuff because we have a
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closed business now you see these empty strip malls that's a that's property tax not being paid to the
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municipality that you know it has a knock-on effect for homeowners and that is rippling throughout the
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economy do we have any grasp of just how bad this is going to be 18 months 24 months from now
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in addition to the economic uh uh consequences um the consequences for uh for children i think has
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been under emphasized the amount of damage that was done to kids uh during the lockdown the certainly
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i mean i had to teach uh courses on zoom uh and the kids uh that that took those courses did not get a
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rebate uh in terms of their uh education fees uh i think they were gypped uh but you know you have to
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do what you have to do i guess uh but the there has not been yet much by way of studying uh of what the
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effects of on little kids would be uh but i think it's something that we will have to deal with in
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probably for the next decade maybe longer uh a lot of children i'm pretty sure were traumatized
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by uh having to you know stay at home uh not see their kids wearing masks i mean give me a break
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uh one of the things that the way children learn uh is to see the faces of uh of other human beings
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and when when they're masked they can't do that so there's a there's a huge bunch of um deprivation
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that nobody knows exactly what what the consequences will be but my guess we're going to find out soon
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enough i'd say yeah you know i was thinking the other day about little kids who are starting school
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this year you know five and six year olds their earliest memories are of everybody in masks and
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that's imprinted on them and i don't know how we undo that as a society and the fear of the other
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right you know um people would not be allowed to sort of get close to one another little children
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who were not allowed to approach their grandparents uh and and that sort of thing that you know stays
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with you if you are today say seven years old and sort of be to sort of see the world uh beyond uh
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your your little self um well you spend half of your life but more than half of your conscious life
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uh in that sort of uh panic-stricken bubble and and that has an effect on on on children uh the economic
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effects as you were pointing out uh we will also be counting for years to come um a couple of my
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friends who you know don't really know much about politics and economics and uh they they think that
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i crystal ball because a couple years back i kept talking about you wait for the inflationary effect
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that you know handing out billions and billions and billions of dollars for free uh to people is going
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going to cause and they sort of said well how do you know that they said well we know this from
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experience not only because you know it's not just theoretical and and here we are the economic damage
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that is being caused not just the businesses that have already closed but the fact is that there is a
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new tax called inflation on all of us and they and and these taxes hurt disproportionately uh more uh the poor
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uh the single mothers and the people who don't have greater economic capacity the bureaucrats and the
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people who stayed home and working from home and continue to have uh races every year they're doing
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fine um and you know hence what happened a year ago yesterday right uh it's not a surprise i mean i'm
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sure i'm sure we'll probably talk more about that uh that uh uh it was the blue-collar workers the
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people who had to go and do things with their hands who could not stay home uh behind a computer like
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the rest of us could uh who suffered the most yeah those are people whose jobs are not indexed
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to inflation the way government workers have their salaries indexed to inflation uh but i'm happy that
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you broached the subject of uh the invocation of the uh the they were but uh they were they were
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touted by the government as being the heroes uh they weren't treated that way uh a year and a half
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later but initially that was uh that was a a kind of uh praise i suppose you might say
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i'm glad you brought up the uh invocation of the emergencies act because i think that is some of the
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political fallout that has stemmed and flowed from the government's overreaction to the pandemic
00:31:00.780
for whatever reason for a power grab um or um to i guess to institute their political philosophy um
00:31:10.620
so we've seen some political fallout at least happening here in alberta where jason kenney is
00:31:16.300
no longer the premier and i think that's in large part due to his crackdown on civil liberties here
00:31:21.580
in alberta during the pandemic and daniel smith our new premier seems to have been elected on a focus
00:31:29.660
of you know undoing the civil liberties damage done by the former government but will we ever see
00:31:37.500
any consequences for this federal government for anything but especially this
00:31:47.340
um well it's it's perhaps a little bit early to tell i mean we've certainly seen already some of the
00:31:53.420
consequences um everywhere the prime minister goes uh there are you know large groups of people
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they're not as large as the number of people who are following and go and see the lead of the
00:32:05.420
opposition these days which is also the flip-flop uh of of this um but one of the things that that
00:32:12.300
happens in the sort of prescription of the theory of moral panic that that uh the lens that we used to
00:32:18.140
look at uh these things is that people uh are panicked and and their fear sort of um leads them
00:32:25.500
to want to accept a whole bunch of lies that would make them feel comfortable uh in the in the face of
00:32:31.100
panic but when people realize they have been lied to you know it's a normal human reaction people become
00:32:38.380
angry and and we already see the manifestation of that sort of across the board um and you know the
00:32:45.980
the left-wing press for the most part is trying to tar uh canadians as you know the angry crowd that is
00:32:52.220
following the other guy and that and that sort of thing but that's a direct consequence of what's going
00:32:56.700
on so it is entirely unclear that uh you know should we have an election today that the federal government
00:33:02.860
would survive uh and you know the polls keep sort of tilting um deeper and deeper against uh the uh
00:33:11.020
the government in power and some of these governments what this also tells us though is that
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there are different levels of tolerance for these things alberta is indeed a distinct society in many ways
00:33:22.060
um you know when when people people got sick of the lies uh rather quickly here and you know the guy
00:33:29.580
who was in power is not in power uh whereas in ontario not to pick on ontario but you know it's so easy
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to sometimes uh they've they've uh returned the premier to to office so in different places in different
00:33:44.620
areas of the country uh the reaction is playing in different ways yeah i just to add
00:33:51.820
to something that marco said um with the mainstream media uh i think we can anticipate um that anybody
00:33:59.980
who criticizes the governor of canada's kobit response will be marginalized uh will be considered
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a conspiracy nut uh something like that um i fully expect that uh if uh anybody in say in the globe and
00:34:15.180
mail reads our book they will say nothing nice about it uh we're just you know bringing up old stories
00:34:21.180
uh we're crazy right wingers from alberta um the the problem is that that eventually i mean it
00:34:28.700
sometimes takes longer than we'd like eventually that people get the truth and they've and they
00:34:33.820
actually figure it out for themselves people are not as stupid very often as governments think they
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are uh and they do they haven't lost the ability to think uh so they will see these kind of controversies
00:34:44.700
they'll say well there's nothing new from uh from these government subsidized media saying these
00:34:49.820
things in favor of the government uh and they'll draw they i would say probably in most cases the
00:34:54.700
correct conclusions you know i've seen that myself i think we probably all have facebook friends who
00:34:59.660
started off the pandemic um absolutely engulfed in covet fear they were the maskers they were the
00:35:06.620
scolders in the grocery store the get your vaccines as quickly as possible then get your booster then get
00:35:13.100
your second booster and your third booster and then they got coveted and pretty quickly they figured
00:35:19.980
out that they have been lied to too and some of those people it's it's almost like uh and i just
00:35:25.980
compare this to sort of what i see um but almost like converts to catholicism they are the most
00:35:32.460
fervent people in the church um and that's what i'm seeing with some people who started off the
00:35:38.220
pandemic very true believers having realized they've been lied to and their reflexes to be furious
00:35:47.500
we we see this uh in in all kinds of different circumstances in life right people tend to uh
00:35:54.540
sometimes flee away from certain things and pretend that it's not happening but uh whether it's for
00:36:00.620
ideological reasons or or what have you but but one thing is for certain is that reality has a way of
00:36:06.620
turning around and kicking you in the rear end and and it always does uh and so um you can pretend
00:36:13.900
that the that the vaccine will save your life um but when 20 minutes later you get uh the disease
00:36:20.380
uh as they tend to call it um you start questioning things right
00:36:27.900
i think one of the things uh as i'll show you that that uh marco and i wanted to do in this book is
00:36:33.820
is is basically uh document uh this series of lies and stupidities and imprudent uh statements and all
00:36:43.660
of the rest of it that uh authorities whether they're governmental media uh or uh bureaucratic uh made
00:36:51.820
during the period uh after the end of the summer of 2020 um that's when the first um we stopped work
00:37:00.060
on the on the first version of this uh about then it came out in november of 2020 but so much happened
00:37:06.300
after that from starting in september uh of 2020 and it just kept going and going and going and part
00:37:13.900
of our job was simply to provide documentation that uh these people who said these things who knew perfectly
00:37:22.300
well that what they were saying wasn't true um someday uh will be called to account um maybe not
00:37:30.460
by asking it depends whether people read the read the book and do anything about it but uh they really
00:37:36.940
ought to be ashamed of themselves uh but a lot of people are shameless and they may not be uh but
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nevertheless there's there's lots of evidence there that that they really messed things up uh badly and
00:37:48.300
they did it knowingly and that's the thing that that personally i find particularly irritating uh you
00:37:54.700
can make mistakes these weren't mistakes these were deliberate deceptions yeah um you know in uh shameless
00:38:01.660
plug here is uh is the book uh there are there are over 100 pages of annotations and fluid notes and
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end notes rather um and not not because you know we want to show off that we read all this stuff uh but
00:38:16.780
because uh we wanted to make sure that we providing uh the evidence and the examples uh so that people
00:38:23.100
can go and see for for themselves right so in part this is as barry says a a a record uh for for
00:38:30.700
posterity uh one yeah we name people who need to be named and and they should be ashamed uh and also
00:38:37.740
because you know viruses come and go and more will come uh and so when more will come it is absolutely
00:38:45.260
absolutely imperative uh that we learn all the bad lessons all the lessons really good and bad but
00:38:51.740
particularly the bad ones about this one and how we handled it so that a uh we don't do worse for the
00:38:58.860
next one but also because human nature being what human nature is if there is actually a worse virus
00:39:05.740
coming uh down the line and we have scared people into a kind of uh obliviousness about these things
00:39:14.140
uh we might actually end up causing more harm than good right so proportionality is important and so
00:39:19.500
we're we're trying to get people to see that the overreaction um was so far and so wide and so deceptive
00:39:28.060
that there are some hard lessons that we need to take from them yeah there are a lot of people out there who
00:39:33.180
want the general public to be very hard of remembering going forward before i let you go
00:39:38.380
guys you you did something else that i thought uh the mainstream media absolutely refuses to do and
00:39:44.380
that is that you looked at other jurisdictions that did something completely different than what
00:39:49.100
we did here in canada which one of you wants to sort of tell us what you found when you looked at
00:39:53.980
places like sweden florida marco does i'll jump in because i i i i wrote probably a good portion of
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that but you know barry knows it as just as well um it's it's important to look at what other people
00:40:09.100
did because uh a lot of the times we were presented with this notion that the entire world was following
00:40:18.220
the same playbook um i remember for example seeing the cover of time magazine with you know the the
00:40:24.460
world the entire planet locked down and that was kind of the message that they were trying to to send
00:40:32.140
and that what they were doing was reasonable because so many other people were doing it but
00:40:36.700
the reality is that there were as many different approaches as there were countries and some of them
00:40:42.300
them were more more successful than others the the ones that were more successful uh were the
00:40:47.580
countries that stuck to their plan and didn't throw their emergency plan out the window like um most
00:40:53.340
jurisdictions all jurisdictions in canada uh did uh the the jurisdictions that did not succumb to fear
00:40:59.900
who relied uh on the wit of their citizens to follow basic rules about washing hands and keeping
00:41:06.300
distance and all that stuff that did not close all the businesses did not close all the schools
00:41:11.420
uh certainly this the the uh elementary schools kept running even though they went remote for some
00:41:17.580
uh in universities and and uh and uh higher learning schools uh sweden is is the model uh in part because
00:41:27.100
uh they were so radically different from uh everybody else but also because
00:41:34.540
canadians specifically and the government of alberta originally put out a paper sort of condemning
00:41:40.380
uh sweden uh sweden they were trying to make themselves look good by condemning uh the swedes and also by
00:41:47.900
letting us know that you know within a matter of weeks all swedes were going to be dead
00:41:53.820
uh but the reality is sweden go figure is still there and in terms of uh epidemic epidemiological health
00:42:02.780
they are doing far better than we are and economically they're doing far better than we are
00:42:07.980
the damage that we cause to ourselves doesn't compare and so it was important for us to look at other
00:42:14.460
places and and make sure that that distinction was established now i know that uh barry you need to get
00:42:22.140
back and teach a class but where can people find the book where can they support the work that you're
00:42:27.660
doing to as you say create this historical record of what was done to the public and who did it
00:42:34.140
it uh it'll it'll be available chiefly on amazon but it'll be available in calgary uh bookstores as
00:42:40.620
well because we're we've done some uh uh contact with with mainly independent bookstores uh and and
00:42:47.740
they seem to be interested in taking it too so i'd suggest amazon as your first go-to place because
00:42:53.500
that's where everybody goes well thanks so much gentlemen and thanks so much for the hard work that
00:42:59.100
you're doing to as i said make the historical record make sure that they cannot whitewash what
00:43:05.180
they've done to everybody and just carry on with their lives with their big fat paychecks in british
00:43:10.060
columbia dina hinshaw thank you very much sheila thanks gentlemen stay with us everybody
00:43:17.660
more of your letters to ezra read by me up after the break
00:43:32.620
stay with us in the coming days and weeks we're going to be doing our best to get through
00:43:36.380
the decision of justice paul rulo and the public order emergency commission to excuse the extreme
00:43:42.140
and irrational tyrannical behavior of prime minister justin trudeau in using a wartime law
00:43:47.500
against peaceful protesters whose only real crimes were to speak truth to power and embarrass
00:43:52.540
justin trudeau on an international scale and ultimately inspire a global movement of convoys
00:43:58.300
how embarrassing for justin trudeau but also how embarrassing for paul rulo
00:44:03.020
we will do our best to examine the lies that rulo either bought or the half truths he's trying to
00:44:13.180
sell to the public about what occurred in that public order emergency commission room now we had
00:44:19.580
reporters embedded in the convoy from the very beginning you can see all of their reports at
00:44:24.060
convoyreports.com but we also had journalists in the convoy commission room you can see all of
00:44:31.260
their reports at trucker commission.com and from their time in six weeks in ottawa we have created
00:44:39.420
we i mean our head documentarian kian simoni he created an incredible documentary called trudeau
00:44:46.300
on trial so to get details please go to trudeau on trial.com it's all the commission testimony
00:44:54.780
that paul rulo would love for you to ignore now we should get to our letters
00:45:00.220
our first letter comes from chop t pete and it's on my interview with lauren gunter the other day a
00:45:10.300
columnist with the edmonton sun great guy and he wrote an article about how the ndp is failing to
00:45:17.580
be an opposition party at all and you know we have some theories for that and and when are the ndp
00:45:25.420
membership ever going to get tired of their leader just being the socialist arm of the liberal party
00:45:33.480
of canada anyways chop t pete writes you guys are so out of touch oh am i i think i've written two
00:45:38.940
books on the ndp so i don't know i'll i'm i'll hear your argument not even in the realm of understanding
00:45:47.620
the big picture okay all mainstream parties are globalists taking different roads to a one world
00:45:53.100
government the cpc are not who they pretend to be mulrooney and harper sold us down the river
00:45:57.340
long ago and they signed us up to the paris accord and sustainability goals of the un well i'm just
00:46:04.700
going to stop you right here because mulrooney and harper were not in power when canada signed the
00:46:11.180
paris accord that was the liberals and harper was instrumental in fighting kyoto mulrooney he was more
00:46:16.340
of an environmentalist he however practical though he was more seemingly concerned about acid rain which
00:46:23.160
we don't really have anymore but harper fought kyoto which uh died never was signed on to by canada
00:46:29.140
and the paris accord was uh brought in in 2015 by the liberals um and then you mentioned the
00:46:37.280
sustainability goals of the un don't take my word for it look it up 17 goals of sustainability cpc put
00:46:43.700
them into law trudeau is just acting on them even if that were true what are you going to do you're
00:46:49.120
just going to check out of the system you're just not going to hold justin trudeau to account you're
00:46:52.980
not going to put pressure on the new leader of the conservative party of canada pierre polyev to do
00:46:59.720
something different i think pierre polyev is trying to do something different with the party
00:47:03.880
after the failures of erin o'toole and andrew sheer seems like he's trying to do something different he's
00:47:10.000
leaning into grassroots conservatism so why don't you put pressure on him like what are you going
00:47:14.540
to do just check out of the system i'm not sure that that's going to be good for you or anybody
00:47:20.560
they may all be globalists but does that prevent you from holding them to account in our parliamentary
00:47:28.960
system i don't know it's kind of my job to hold people to account on to hold the government to
00:47:36.180
account on behalf of the people anyway let's keep going on menzies mono about the wackiest climate
00:47:41.300
change ideas like substituting certain menstruation products cutting coffee and using less anesthesia
00:47:47.680
on patients smart eam writes women should be able to freely choose whatever menstrual products they
00:47:53.880
like guilt-free i can't believe this is a comment on one of david menzies videos but actually i can
00:47:57.920
also menstrual cups aren't gross david i don't know i'm gonna side with david on this and i'm a lady so i
00:48:03.620
think we're we might be two to one on you if one can afford it though best to use eco-friendly
00:48:11.160
non-toxic products down there where there is very sensitive very porous human tissue the amount of
00:48:17.480
chemicals and female hygiene products is shocking you know what i can't even believe we're having
00:48:22.380
this conversation use whatever you want um put chemicals on your body don't put chemicals on your
00:48:30.780
body do it in the name of your health and not in climate change how's that paul says i love the
00:48:36.760
statement four researchers said that's it just for you know what there's um there's a hashtag on twitter
00:48:42.800
it's called studies say or experts say and you can find some crazy things over there all it takes is one
00:48:49.180
expert uh and often those experts are self-described for a journalist to write an article about absolutely
00:48:56.860
insane things studies say researchers say anastasia girl writes let's talk about how long the electric
00:49:04.260
vehicle batteries take to decompose waiting waiting yeah electric vehicle batteries uh solar panels uh
00:49:12.060
the and not just the batteries and panels to decompose and then the hazardous chemicals to leach into the
00:49:20.040
groundwater or the panels to fry birds as they fly above but also the environmental devastation
00:49:28.120
of the mining of the components of batteries and solar panels is revolting and it's done in countries
00:49:37.520
where there is no law requiring mitigation plans and reclamation plans to be drafted ahead of the project
00:49:45.980
which is how it is in canada before you can move a shovel of dirt you have to have a plan to reclaim
00:49:51.860
it as best you can to its mostly natural state and sometimes even better when you look at fort
00:49:57.220
mcmurray which in some aspects is the world's largest oil spill cleanup up there uh the land is reclaimed
00:50:04.980
and and buffalo's grays bison i guess they are up there anyway uh thanks for the letters guys and
00:50:12.060
please stay tuned as we continue to provide you some coverage of the public order emergency commission
00:50:18.820
and i suppose uh the fallout if any there will be for justin trudeau and maybe for the credibility of paul
00:50:28.340
who knows well friends that's the show for tonight have a great weekend we're off around here on monday
00:50:37.220
at least we are here in alberta it's family day here so don't expect a live stream this is what i'm
00:50:43.540
saying and as ezra always says keep fighting for freedom