SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Justin Trudeau is attempting the single largest gun ban in Canadian history
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Justin Trudeau is attempting the single largest gun ban in Canadian history. In this episode, Rick Igersich, President of the National Firearms Association, and Sheila Gunn-Reed discuss the latest assault on the rights of Canadian gun owners.
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Justin Trudeau is attempting the single largest gun ban in Canadian history.
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gun Show.
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The law that bans the sale and transfer of handguns will directly attack hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Canadian firearms owners.
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These amendments will outlaw, quote, a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun that is capable of discharging centre fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner
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and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed.
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Now, this ban includes the popular and affordable SKS with around 200,000 estimated Canadian owners of that model.
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It also includes almost all hunting rifles with the exception of a few shotguns designed for duck hunting.
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Now, it's not entirely clear how the RCMP will enforce Trudeau's changes through confiscation,
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since the police force has no reliable data on where these previously completely unrestricted firearms are.
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So joining me tonight to discuss the latest attacks on the law-abiding Canadian firearms-owning community
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is Rick Igersich, president of Canada's National Firearms Association.
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So joining me now is Rick Igersich, the president of Canada's National Firearms Association,
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to, first of all, break down what Trudeau's latest attacks on the law-abiding Canadian firearms-owning community mean for the rest of us.
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And then we'll get into why he thinks this is happening.
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Rick, thanks for coming on the show and taking the time to explain all of this.
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As you and I were talking sort of off camera before we started rolling,
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us gun owners, sometimes it does feel like we speak a little bit of a different language
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So why don't you break down for us what the latest gun ban is?
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Because we've already sort of lived through the grandfathering out of our handguns.
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It started off as another series of Justin Trudeau's assaults against Canadians' personal property.
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And, you know, the key parts of the bill were complete.
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First of all, it started off as a complete ban on all transfers of handguns.
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So basically what that was, handguns, once you were in possession of a handgun and it was registered to you,
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Then it went back to the government for, actually it was seized by the government for destruction.
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So basically you couldn't air your handguns to anybody.
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You know, family members or anybody else were excluded from this.
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You know, then they put a ban on all handguns coming into Canada.
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They didn't even, that wasn't incorporated into the ordering council.
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And, you know, the initial parts of the bill, there was a bunch of ridiculous magazine capacity restrictions that were all tacked onto it.
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You know, the classic thing, you know, the Liberals draw up a bill, then they add a bunch of hidden parts to it.
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And then the talk of the town the last week or so, at the 11th hour, the whole thing snowballed.
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First, the Liberals, they added Amendment G4, which is their so-called Evergreen Program,
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which supposedly defines prohibited firearms and magazines in Canada.
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And, you know, they tacked that on at the last minute.
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Then when we thought that, then when we thought it couldn't get any worse, they added an Amendment G46,
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which attached the original May 2020 Order and Council ban list to Bill C-21,
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plus another 430 centerfire hunting rifles and shotguns, plus variants.
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And the key word on that is variants, because there is no definition of a variant.
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So we don't even know what, besides the 430 firearms they added to the list, the variants are.
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So anyway, at the end of the day, you know, just to lay it out for everyday Canadians,
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they did this, in my opinion, they did this for several reasons.
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You know, the number one reason, you know, it's the classic Liberal move to get the heat off themselves
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You know, the exploitation of the tragedy in Nova Scotia for political gain.
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Something that you guys have really been involved in,
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the Emergency Measures Act that Justin Trudeau put in place in Ottawa during the trucker convoy protest.
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You know, this is another diversion to get the heat off the Liberal Party.
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by attaching the original Ordering Council plus these other hunting firearms to Bill C-21,
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that's basically going to null and void all the court cases that have been filed,
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So, if this bill becomes law, all those court cases will be nullified and they will no longer exist
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because there was a lot of holes in the Ordering Council and they knew that.
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And so, I think this is a reason they attach it to the bill.
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But the big thing, too, is when they attached the original Ordering Council to this bill
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and with the other 430 firearms that they just pulled out of the blue,
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they did not talk about any sort of buyback or compensation for these firearms.
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So, I think the Liberals realized that this was going to cost them billions of dollars.
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So, in their Justin Trudeau's twisted wisdom, he decided he was going to attach this to this bill
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to save billions of dollars in his already over-excessive spending.
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And I hope everyday Canadians can understand that this is more than just about firearms.
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This is the government, you know, seizing your personal property.
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You know, it's a definite overreach by the Liberals.
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And, you know, we at the NFA, you know, we're going to do everything we can to prevent this from happening.
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We're keeping our cards fairly close to our chest because we don't want them to get a hint of what we're doing.
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So, we're definitely working in the background.
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And just when it comes to light of what we're going to do, we're definitely going to release it to everybody.
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Yeah, it does feel like the Liberals are scapegoating the most law-abiding part of society, statistically speaking, to distract from their own scandals.
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But from the very beginning, I mean, it was a lie from the very beginning.
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And it was wrong from the very beginning because in that first order in council that banned 1,500 popular models of Canadian firearms, including a 410 bird gun that its biggest crime was looking cool on that one.
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But they said from the very beginning, this is about getting military-grade assault weaponry away from the people who shouldn't have it.
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And they kept saying this is not an attack on hunters and sports shooters.
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But then when they include centerfire in this, it touches all of those.
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This is a direct attack on hunters and sports shooters.
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But now we're specifically targeting those rifles.
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Can you explain to, again, the people who may not know a lot about firearms, what it means by targeting the centerfire rifles?
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Okay, you know, in the original, I see most of those rifles, except for a few .22 rimfire rifles, were all centerfire rifles.
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But now, I think more than centerfire, I think what they're targeting now is hunting rifles, hunting and sporting rifles.
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Centerfire rifle is just the type of cartridge that is fired with a firing pin into a primer or the center of the cartridge, which really doesn't really come into play a lot.
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But I think our focus needs to be more towards the hunting rifles.
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You know, they're banning rifles that were built for nothing more than hunting or sport shooting.
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And by doing that, they, you know, some of these rifles have different configurations.
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And so, if you take a basic centerfire, I'll use, I'll actually use a rimfire, for example, a Ruger 10-22 rimfire, which is probably the most common .22 farmers rifle in Canada right now.
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You know, and you put a different stock on it with a grip that's more ergonomic so your wife or your young children can shoot it better because of smaller frames.
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Then all of a sudden, well, it looks like an assault rifle.
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So, let's add that to the wrist or add that to the list.
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Which, sorry to interrupt you, I think that's exactly what they did with the Mini 14 with the Ranch rifle.
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It looked cool, it was reliable, it was, you know, great for small predator control, and they banned it because it has the ability to look cool after the fact.
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You know, and that's actually a better example, Sheila.
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You know, it was a semi-automatic centerfire rifle that, by Canadian law, is limited to five rounds magazine capacity.
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And all of a sudden, overnight, the thing becomes a dreaded assault weapon.
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You know, you look up assault weapon in the dictionary, there's no such thing.
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You know, just like their use of assault weapon and variant.
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You know, this glass of water could be an assault weapon if one used it in that direction.
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And, yeah, you know, and it just, you know, I don't know what their train of thought is, but actually, I do know what their train of thought is.
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It's just, you know, they're just going to overwhelm the public, starting with firearms owners and branching out from there, by all these terms and all these things.
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And, you know, my people have been telling me there's a potential election in the spring.
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They always use the firearms owners as a wedge issue every time.
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The last two elections, it's the same old song and dance from Justin Trudeau's Liberals.
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But I think people are starting to realize that, you know what, there's more to this because every time the heat's on them or there's an election, you know, there's an election in the near future, they start dumping on firearms owners.
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And I think people are starting to realize that and, you know, they're not going to let it, they're not going to let it become a wedge issue this time, in my opinion.
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You know, and they did this in such a sinister way.
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That amendment wasn't like a one-line amendment.
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It was a 478-page amendment to an existing law or a law that they were working on.
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And you and I, again, we were talking off camera that they're catching the SKS in this.
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And so people will say, who cares about the SKS?
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And it's basically a Soviet-designed surplus rifle.
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You know, you go to the gun show, you can pick up an SKS for pretty cheap.
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But the point I was trying, I'm definitely sure there's more.
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And that's the point I'm trying to make, is this bill or this amendment is just a bunch
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Because how the hell are you ever going to find all those?
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Because they've moved them from non-restricted to banned.
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So you have no record of where any of those are.
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So what do you want the RCMP to do now, Justin Trudeau?
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Go around kicking in doors of anybody who holds a PAL to see if they have an SKS?
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I mean, think about the implications of this here.
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Yeah, you know, and the thing is, too, you know, and the alleged original fire long gun
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registry, which was supposed to disappear 10 years ago, apparently it's still around.
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So in my opinion, it's pretty much an obsolete list.
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A lot of those firearms have changed hands since then.
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But, you know what, it's a starting point for them to begin to, you know, to start tracking
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And that, you know, and that comes, that brings the next, you know, thing in question.
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What kind of resources are going to be, or these confiscations, these looking for these
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goods, how much of the provincial resources are they going to take up, you know, by putting
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It's, you know, everybody, you know, it's all smoke and mirrors till everybody starts
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Well, number one, money for the firearms owners, because apparently they're not going to get
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And, you know, I talked to a guy yesterday that's got 70-some rifles and handguns, and
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he's got, if this, all this stuff goes through, he's going to have two firearms left out of
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70-some firearms, you know, that he's been collecting.
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And, you know, they've been family heirlooms, and, you know, they've been passed through
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All of a sudden, that stuff is all gone, all null and void.
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He dies, this stuff goes, you know, his family, his heirs don't get any money, they don't
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get any compensation for this, you know, and he's been saving this, you know.
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You know, it's just like RSPs, basically, you know, you're saving this stuff, you know,
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for someday to make your family have a better life.
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And, you know, going in that direction, the ramifications on this are jutting out in all
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You know, it's easy to say for the Liberals, you know, we're going to ban all these, we're
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going to ban all these firearms, we're going to make Canada safe, which is another joke
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But, yeah, you know, to make, you know, we're going to make Canada safe, but, you know, it's
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And, you know, it's going to be, no matter what they do, whether it goes through or not,
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it's becoming a major expense to Canadian taxpayers.
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Well, and I don't know about you in Ontario, but at least here in the Western provinces,
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Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, the Yukon too, they've all said we are not going to ask
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I know, particularly in Alberta, that's where the focus is, is that Justin Trudeau's RCMP
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are not going to go around kicking in doors of Albertans to enforce gun laws that will
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I was in the Ontario Parliament yesterday and my MPP, who is, she is, she worked for our
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Unfortunately, with shuffles and stuff, in the last election, she had to run as an independent.
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I don't know what, I don't know what the deal was there with the Conservatives and stuff,
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She stood up in, she stood up in Parliament yesterday and posed the question to the Solicitor
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General on whether or not Doug Ford is going to be using police, Ontario taxpayers' money
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and police resources to be part of Justin Trudeau's seizure program.
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And actually, she was applauded and, you know, she got into a little deeper.
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Actually, we're going to be releasing that probably today.
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I'll, I'll, I'll actually, I'll send you a copy of that.
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Uh, she actually, uh, got some applause, which was unheard of, uh, the, some, some of the
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Conservative backbenchers were actually clapping after, uh, she suggested it, which actually
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I was sitting in the VIP gallery there, almost decided, I'm going, wow, these people are
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But, uh, you know, I think the big problem with Ontario is, and you know what, I'm going
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to call a spade a spade because Doug Ford is, uh, is, uh, getting a liberal money, uh, federal
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And I don't think he wants to, I don't think he really, really wants to go forward with
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this, but I tell you, you know, Ontario is, you know, it's, it's a lot like Alberta, Alberta.
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We do have a large rural area in Ontario and the rural people are fed up with this stuff.
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You know, you know, why, uh, you know, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, New Brunswick, uh, the
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So, you know what, basically, uh, Bobby Ann put, uh, put the solicitor general on the
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spot, you know, the, you know, with, uh, with no previous, uh, you know, which, which
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caught him off guard, which was kind of interesting too, because she did not previously, uh, put
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So he, uh, you know, he, he did the classic, uh, uh, you know, the, the, the classic political
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shuffle, you know, they call it question period because there's never any answers in question
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period, mostly all questions, most of the time, but, uh, you know, it was good and it
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got a, I thought it got a really good response from, uh, some of the conservatives.
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Uh, she's going to continue to write letters to the solicitor general about this.
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And, uh, you know, as an independent, uh, MPP, the first one in Ontario provincial history,
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you know, she doesn't have a lot of power, but at the end of the day, nobody's going to
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She's going to, you know, and the other thing was she, she doesn't have any irons in the
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She's not a firearms owner, but she, she believes in what's right, which is really, which was,
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You know, she's got absolutely no, uh, no, uh, no irons in the fire, but she, she understands
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And she understands what's right for her constituents.
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So, uh, like I say, this is put into, uh, put into parliament and I think it might go
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Um, yeah, I think let, let's move on to the safety issue because it sort of ties into
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You know, when you look at the size of Toronto, it's larger population wise than I think Alberta,
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There's about 10 million people, the greater Toronto or six, six ish, maybe I think it is.
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Um, so that's, uh, greater than at least Alberta and Saskatchewan combined.
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Um, and those, the people who live in Toronto, you never have to leave the city ever.
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You can, you can like live and die in the city of Toronto and never set foot outside to see
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I think in Alberta and Saskatchewan, at least even in our big cities, even in the socialist
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hellscape of Edmonton, you do have to once in a while venture outside of the city.
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You do realize that there are things that exist in between Edmonton and Calgary.
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There are people living their lives another way.
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I don't know if, if people in Toronto are that tied to the community outside in Alberta.
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People are often just one generation away from the farm.
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You know, you know, myself being a farm boy from Southern Ontario, you know, I drove into
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Toronto, Toronto yesterday to, to the parliament.
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And I go, I don't know how people do this every day.
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It took me, it took me an hour to go with three city blocks, you know, but anyway, the
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biggest, I think that one of the biggest problems, uh, it with Toronto is, is that you're right.
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It, it, it's a very diverse, uh, it's a very diverse community and people don't really
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know what's going on outside of the, the, what I call the liberal, liberal block of the
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20 some ridings that are, you know, some of them aren't any bigger than a city block, which
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You know, it just, the, the lines are so slim there.
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Uh, uh, Sheila, they, they, they haven't got a clue what's going on.
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They haven't got a clue about sustenance hunting.
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They haven't got a clue about predator control.
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You know, if there's a coyote eating mine or your chickens, you know, that coyote is going
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to be dispatched, you know, they're, you know, you know, it's, it's affecting, uh, you know,
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what we do, our husbandry, our, our farming, you know, and people have no idea.
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And I think, uh, I think, you know, and that's one of our biggest struggles, yours and mine
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is to reach these people and, you know, make them understand that things are a little different
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Well, and I think this is, and I'm not blaming the people who don't know these things.
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I'm blaming the people who are purposefully scapegoating everybody else for the problems
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Where are the conservative MPPs in Ontario to do their best to dispel the myths about firearms
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Because if your only experience is gun violence in Toronto, of course, I understand why you're
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scared of guns, but if you put it to them, those guns are trafficked across the border
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from the United States, those people carrying them illegally around playgrounds have not
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gone through the daily vetting that you and I go through to own our firearms, I think you
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But liberal politicians play on the naivety of the voter.
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And I don't think conservative politicians, particularly the MPPs, are doing themselves any
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You know, and things are a little different in the West where you are because it's mostly
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But, you know, and that's the thing, you know, and it's lack of education.
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And, you know, it's not just lack of education to the citizens or the constituents or the writing.
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A lot of these MPPs don't have a clue what's going on.
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You know, I talk to a lot of these people and, you know, and I talk to, I talk about gun
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crime and I talk about smuggled firearms and, you know, you know, and Justin Trudeau, you
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know, lowering mandatory minimum sentences and stuff.
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Although, although give the Solicitor General of Ontario credit.
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He did mention that 90 some percent of crime is done by illicit smuggled guns.
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So he did actually mention that in Parliament yesterday.
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Of course, he skated around the issue of whether or not Doug Ford's going to jump on board with,
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you know, without, with not funding police to, you know, to do these seizures.
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But, you know, he did, I think, I think because he was caught off guard, he did, he did let some
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of the stuff out of the, or let the cat out of the bag on some of the stuff.
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And it was actually, it was actually pretty good stuff.
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And, you know, he did touch on that, you know, for, he did make, he, which I appreciate,
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he did make the comment that 90 some percent of all crime in Ontario is done by illicit
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So, which is, you know what, if there was nothing else gained by that, that, that was
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a good thing that he did make that statement in Parliament.
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When they're snatching your guns and my guns and making sure that my daughter can never
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use my father's firearms, that's her only connection to him because she, he died
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You know, the Liberals know that it is a poisonous lie to scapegoat hunters and sports
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shooters for the crimes happening in places like Toronto.
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In fact, it is the Liberals who are responsible for that, at least in part through their open
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They have, you know, you have people walking across the border, just strolling in across
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You know, they, they bring with them all manner of contraband.
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And instead of dealing with that, the Liberals increasingly take the path of least resistance
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because they know those people over there, they go about their business every day to follow
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You know, you know, and they, you know, we talked about this the last time we spoke
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and it was, it was about, you know, their go-tos, guns and discrimination every time.
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And, and, you know, it just, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, you're right.
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It's an easy way for them to not focus on the real problem.
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This, you know, they refuse, in my opinion, they refuse to focus on the real problem.
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You know, the, the, the illegal firearms coming in the, you know, if they took half the money
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that's projected that they're going to spend on this, uh, firearm seizure, firearms ban,
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these, these bills, these OICs, if they took half that money and put it towards crime
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in all of Canada, it would do a lot more than taking firearms out of the hands of, uh,
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Like you, and you mentioned before, Sheila, that we're vetted every day.
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We're probably the, if not the safest people in Canada.
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You know, if you, uh, if there's anything that pops up, you know, the police show up
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at your house, it automatically, it shows up, you know what, it shows up in, uh, in,
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in their, uh, CPEC system that we're a firearms owner.
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So we're vetted every day, you know, and, and that's, that just shows the lunacy of this
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When we get a traffic ticket, we get run through CPEC.
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Um, so, you know, like we are monitored once daily and every time we have any sort of police
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Um, and boy, wouldn't it be great if they spent those kinds of resources on just intel
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on the gangs in Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver, but no, again, take the path of least resistance
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and pat themselves on the back for doing something about it.
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And bringing in absolutely unenforceable gun bans, you can ban every, basically everything
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except a, a smattering of duck rifles or duck shotguns, and then say, we're definitely going
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How do people support the work that you're doing and find out about what you're doing
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Well, you know what, uh, the, the biggest way is, uh, you know, you can, uh, you can visit
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Uh, most of the money except for office staff and some incidental goes back into, into the
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firearms lobby and, uh, us lobbying for your rights.
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Please, uh, follow us on social media and, you know, even if you're not a member, please
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donate, you know, donate because that money is going towards the good fight in Ottawa.
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Uh, uh, you know, other things you can do is, uh, write your MP people need to talk to their
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MPs, you know, write your MPs, uh, tell them, tell them your feelings, tell them what's going
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on and, uh, you know, get some input, ask him, ask them, he or she, what they are doing
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to, to, you know, to stop this, uh, you know, and, uh, and the biggest thing, and, you know,
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Sheila and I talked about this about a week and a half ago is get out and vote and get these
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Your guns are never safe when there's a liberal around.
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And also, by the way, if you've got a liberal friend, take them to the gun range.
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I've never seen something more effective in changing the hearts and minds of people who
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don't like guns than to actually take them to the gun range where they can experience
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how much fun guns are, but also how, how much firearms owners are committed to safety.
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Take a liberal to the gun range, change of mind.
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And I've done that before and, uh, you know what?
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They're almost scared to say that they're having fun because it goes against their party's
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The guy's having fun and, you know, off the record or, you know, there's no cameras
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This is a lot of fun, but you know, get out and say that to your people, you know?
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And, uh, but you know, it's a, it's a, Justin Trudeau has, you know, he rules with an iron
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And I don't think that's ever going to change until, uh, until we get rid of him.
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And I don't see a party revolt to get rid of him on the horizon anytime soon.
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There are a lot of people who are just happy to have hitched their cart to that horse for
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Rick, thanks so much for coming on the show and taking the time to break down Justin Trudeau's
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latest attacks on people like you and me, my daughter, our in-laws, normal people all
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I think it is forgotten in all of this that more people play or more people are licensed
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firearms owners in this country than play organized hockey.
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Our national sport is sports shooting by the numbers.
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And I think the liberals would do well to remember it.
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And, uh, I appreciate this opportunity to, you know, to reach out through you, through
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If you want your letter to be read on air, it's gun show letters in the subject line,
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But do not hesitate to leave a comment on one of the other platforms where you might find
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us, like on Rumble or even on the censorship platform of YouTube.
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Now, today's letter actually comes from Rumble and it's on my show last week that I did with
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the young journalists who are covering the Public Order Emergency Commission during their
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The commission rolls on, but the testimony is over.
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And for those of you who don't know the Public Order Emergency Commission, it's the official
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investigation into the government's use of a counterterrorism law called the Emergencies
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Act against peaceful anti-regime protesters in the nation's capital earlier this year,
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Justin Trudeau invoked that law on February 14th to extinguish nationwide anti-COVID restriction
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protests that were embarrassing Justin Trudeau internationally.
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But the largest protest was right in the nation's capital where it is, in my experience,
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that the people there are quite boring and they didn't like all the protesters coming
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Anyway, Mary 2023 writes, Trudeau and the federal government gave almost no second thought to
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the possibility of using tanks on Canadian families with their children present at the
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We saw federal cabinet ministers either joking or quite seriously musing about sending in
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Now, if they're joking, that makes them horrible people because going full Tiananmen Square on peaceful
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I guess they get to decide which sort of bad guy they are in this scenario.
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Anyway, most Canadians know that this threat from the government is hardly considered a joke,
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This shows that the Canadian government are heartless entity based on fascism and will not
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hesitate in murdering innocent Canadians in order to achieve a dystopian fascist dictatorship.
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I'm not sure if they'll hesitate to achieve it, but they did definitely joke about achieving it.
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And what I do know is that a conservative, if they had joked about this, they would be cancelled
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forever, but generations of their offspring would be cancelled forever.
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And these cabinet ministers, Marco Mendicino and David Lamedi, the AG of this country,
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they just got to joke about it and carry on with their lives.
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I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.
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And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.