SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Matt Brevner on his Rebel News documentary Kamloops： The Hidden Truth
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The alleged discovery of hundreds of, at the time, we were told, potentially murdered children in a mass grave at a residential school in Kamloops, British Columbia sparked a summer of rage and religiously motivated attacks against Christians across this country.
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BC based rebel Matt Brevner joins me tonight to discuss his new documentary Kamloops the
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buried truth plus what is plaguing the housing market in Vancouver I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and
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you're watching the gun show the alleged discovery of hundreds of at the time we were told potentially
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murdered children in a mass grave at a residential school in Kamloops British Columbia sparked a summer
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of rage and religiously motivated attacks against Christians across this country churches were
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burned and vandalized and hate crimes against Catholics skyrocketed 260 percent in one year
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our prime minister said he understood why the attacks against Christians in their churches were
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happening but what was the foundation of that understanding what really happened at Kamloops
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over a year later we still don't really know and Matt Brevner Andrea Humphrey two of our Vancouver
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based rebels went on a fact-finding mission and their fact-finding mission turned into a documentary
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called Kamloops the buried truth you can see it today if you are a paywalled subscriber to rebel news
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plus and you can get information about the documentary at Kamloops documentary.com so Matt
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joins me tonight to discuss the making of the documentary but he's also been doing some work
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in front of the camera and he did a really great video about what Vancouverites
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would ask the prime minister to do to make life more affordable and then he did some work on Vancouver's
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downtown east side asking the people there what they felt about the potential for the legalization
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of possession of hard drugs and it was shocking and sincere and it's the kind of journalism you won't
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see anywhere else so you know what without further ado I'll just shut up and let's go to Matt
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so joining me now is my friend and colleague Matt Brevner many of you know him as one of our
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Vancouver based rebels he's also a musician we'll get into that in a little bit but he's the documentary
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filmmaker behind Kamloops the buried truth and he is behind the camera but you hear a little bit of him
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in the documentary too working with our rebel news reporter Drea Humphrey to uncover what happened
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in Kamloops at the residential school there so many years ago but what's happening there now because
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we're sort of in the dark with that as well Matt thanks so much for coming on the show tell us a
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little bit about the documentary what what was your vision for the documentary sure well you know this
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I've produced other films in the past this was a little bit different because initially it started
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out as just going up to do a report on the one year anniversary of the original press release
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announcing the findings of 215 bodies in a mass grave basically a report that created
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unprecedented self-loathing in most Canadians and it was just extremely inflammatory I don't mean that
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as a pun you know over 70 churches were vandalized or burned or whatever it was a complete mess so we
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went up there not really knowing uh what we were going to find um but with just the objective just
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kind of snoop around and go door knocking because we've basically been trying to get answers out of you
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know the the RCMP uh the chief band office uh the coroners and no one was really getting back to
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Drea so we're like okay well maybe we need to do a little bit different we'll go up there for a couple
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days just make a report you know expecting to be like here's our 20 minute report nothing's changed
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no one's talking to us we'll come back soon but in reality it turned out to be it was just it was
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unreal the amount of people that were uh just talking to us freely because I guess they didn't realize
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that we were press and how candid all the conversations were uh with with the chief um the
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coroner's office and the RCMP because you know it's uh it's interesting people I don't think
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this this this documentary experience really opened my eyes and made me realize because sometimes
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especially when you work in media it's easy to just see things through such a polarized lens
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but I think most of the people are just cogs in the machine and they don't even really understand
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um the talking points or the uh like how important it is uh to maintain certain talking points like
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for example you know we called we would call the museum and I'm speaking to just the random museum
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receptionist and she is still convinced that there's you know yeah the mass grave where we discovered the
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215 kids and she still believes that even though her own chief is saying that well actually that's not
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the case and they're kind of like backpedaling away from it even the RCMP didn't realize that
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that there had been new information afoot so it's kind of crazy how uh unorganized and just yeah it was
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it was it was eye-opening for sure yeah one of the things that was really eye-opening for me was that
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the superheated rhetoric again I regret the um bad pun there I didn't mean it um but this just the
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how getting the story wrong from the very beginning not pumping the brakes and waiting for other
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details to come out led to a summer of rage against Christians in this country that saw
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the hate crimes against Catholics skyrocket by 260 percent um there's really no consequences now for
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anybody who got it wrong they just get to sort of walk away after Catholics generations later
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are being held accountable for something that they had no involvement in but also might not have
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happened the way it was initially sold to everybody well yeah it's it's interesting because this is also
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just it's a multi-pronged attack right it's it was just very convenient uh to have this information
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come out especially during an election year especially in the middle of a pandemic on the piggyback of the
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george floyd um anti you know I don't want to it sounds maybe like I'm oversimplifying it but the
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anti-patriarchy and anti-interest institution anti-white anti-christian anti-anglo kind of movement
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that's underpinning a lot of you know the progressive ideology this was just an alley-oop really for our
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progressive politicians and there's no accountability to even speak on the facts of the matter it's just like
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you just let the lie out let it do what it's going to do and then uh you know a quiet a quiet little
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subtle asterisk in an article maybe a year down the line and it's it's really uh a shame that there's
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no accountability from institutions top to bottom you know the media the government whatever else um and
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the damage and you you ask a random person on the street anywhere in Canada they're going to tell you
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that they think that there's two at least 215 children found in some sort of mass pit in Kamloops which
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couldn't be further from the truth to be honest and you know it's tough because like I have a lot
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of indigenous friends I have a lot of indigenous family and even producing this documentary like I
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have to be careful about what I say around them because whether it's right or it's not right whether
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the information is correct or it's not correct it's so close to home and it's so hurtful to people
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especially the contemporary our contemporary indigenous population because whether this information
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is true or it's not true it just piggybacks on all of these biases all of these uh cultural
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identities that they've been fed their whole lives that you know white people are out to get them
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christians hate them uh you're you're a victim in your own country um you're likely to get murdered
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when you walk the street if you're a woman you're likely to go missing some of these things may be
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true some of these things aren't true but the point being point being if you're told this your whole
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life every time you leave the door life's not going to be comfortable for you you know so anyways it
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even making this film has put me in a very uh precarious situation because you know it's not
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always uh uh beneficial to be right especially when we're talking about like family dynamics and
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relationships you're trying to maintain yeah it's been kind of ugly to be honest so well and that's what
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i i i like about uh a difficult documentary to watch that you made and that is that you approach it with
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that care um and i don't think it's surprising to anybody if i say that you and drea are both people
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of color drea has indigenous background um and um so you do look at it through the lens and you do
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acknowledge that there is generational hurt and there is generational trauma but by perpetuating a lie
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you're only exploiting that generational hurt and trauma for political reasons and i think that's what
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so many of our politicians on the left have done
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yeah i mean that's just like a it's a liberal playbook at this point i mean if you go back and
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you watch the major uh election debates that took place um before our last election and through the
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lens of what we know now has happened at kamloops specifically i'm not talking about the rest of the
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the rest of the country but kamloops specifically which in all honesty is very little and i think
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it's okay that we admit we know very little because we have to know what we need to bring truth and
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reconciliation to you can't reconcile something you don't know right so anyways if you watch all of
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the campaign rhetoric all of the propaganda from that time and you're talking about uh all-time high
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money printing um we're talking about potential international war conflict we're talking about
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um inflation at all-time high we're talking about uh the middle of a pandemic the worst pandemic in
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hundreds of years right that's the that's what we're saying right most of the conversation that
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dominated our debates were about kamloops and truth and reconciliation which okay i mean it's it's a
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i understand why that's important but if we're not if we don't know what the facts are it's a bit of a
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nothing burger and then you watch like o'toole walk into this debate and he's just fumbling because
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like he's already losing as someone who represents anglo-christian conservatives in canada you're
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already satan so what are you supposed to do so it's just like i know maybe that's like that's not
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necessarily a narrative that's in that this documentary but after producing it and looking back on our last
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few years i'm like oh my goodness like i didn't really even understand the cultural impact like
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when you're in the middle of it and churches are burning and and you know flags are at half mass
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and it's just like oh this is weird this is dark you don't really it's hard to see the forest from
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the trees now looking back at where our country is and what's come from all this it's like that was
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very that was a very pivotal moment and the rug was pulled out of a lot of people's feet and they
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didn't even know it yeah and you know just to go along with the rhetoric of the people who initially
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pushed the whole mass graves business that's a crime like that's a genocidal crime that's the
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kind of thing that you see in northern iraq done by isis and and when as a country we didn't do any
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follow-up on that it seems quite odd to me because if you think there are children buried there and
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that a crime was committed against these children and i think if a crime was committed against these
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children people should be held accountable there should be charges um but they didn't even excavate
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and that's the oddest part to me in all of this if you think there are murder victims laying in a
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grave it behooves us as a society to treat those children like any other canadian child who is buried
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in a shallow grave in this country find out what happened to them but none of that is happening
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yeah it's interesting too because you would imagine once a statement is made especially by you
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know Sarah Sarah Boullier who's the ground printer and radar specialist uh to the world that we found
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uh what seems to be uh you know grave sites plus a juvenile rib bone well that should essentially pass
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on the authority in you know in excavating or whatever the case may be beyond just the local
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municipality police or authority or banned rcmp or whatever it is like this should be a federal
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issue at this point but you're allowed to sound the alarm without you know uh being thorough and
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following through and seeing what's actually going on there but something i need to like clarify which
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is a bias that i held because i saw shortly after that this was originally announced the uh the federal
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government earmark i believe it was it was either 26 or 28 million dollars um for excavation of the site
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but also for uh job stimulus mental health all these things and so i'm you know for me i was
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thinking i was a little bit cynical and i was thinking okay they make this announcement they get
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20 something million dollars for a community of less than 5 000 people um there's no need to
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excavate now because if you excavate it's either going to affirm what you believed and it's going to
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eat up all of that budget or it's going to be proven wrong and then you're kind of stuck with like
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your tail between your legs and you spent all this money so it's a lose-lose right but then we were
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talking to uh uh roseanne casimir cookby the chief up there she had said that they actually haven't
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received a cent so hmm i'm like no kidding that actually like was really surprising to me so the thing
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is like these people um are just as much i would say victims as as far as as much as any other basic
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general canadian is with this like you know there may have been like maybe sarah boulier exaggerated
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what she found a little bit for her so she could pop her chest and and get a little bit of social
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clout or whatever else and i think that is a bit of the case however you know the i do believe now
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especially after going out there and talking to the people up there that the average the average
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member of the can loops uh uh shwetmik band and the people out there they don't know they're just
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given they have these experts they're told what they're you know what they found and then they
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reiterate the information but now it's like oh wait it's not maybe like that and then you're tough
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you're stuck in a really tough position you know like i would imagine her as a chief of you know
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what is it less than five thousand people now all of a sudden your front front page international news
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and you have a direct line with the pope it's like whoa that's that's intense it's a big it's like
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oopsie daisy like what what's happening here and then you realize oh wait maybe you know the the
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person that we hired to to scan and uh these lots isn't as credible as maybe we had hoped it's like
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i don't know what do you do with that sort of information right so i'm not saying uh it was
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all right or handled correctly but i can understand why things have kind of played out the way they
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have and i i do think that this was a little bit of a pulling the cart before the horse thing
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and because people were so tense and and pent up and and stuck at home and afraid for their lives
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because of the pandemic and and people of color were were being told that they were being basically
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brutalized on the street because of the george floyd killings and all the killing and all that stuff
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so there's just this pent-up powder cake of energy that was you know underpinned by this anti-christian
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anti-anglo anti-colonial energy and it just exploded yeah yeah and you are so right to put that in the
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context that the chief of this band is like the part-time mayor of any small town in any other
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community in canada and when you have a expert expert coming along and claiming expertise and
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telling you this thing happened why wouldn't you believe her yeah there's really no point not to
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believe her and you know it's you don't you can't control that like once that press release is released
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and especially if you believe it like what do you do with that after the fact right i don't even
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think because she's we spoke to her and i was like well there's there's a lot of misinformation we're
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just trying to get the straight you know story and she's like well i've been honest we've said that
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there's now sites of interest and blah blah blah and i'm like well the people don't know that she's
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like well there's only so much i can do and i genuinely believe her like i do i think this whole thing
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is just a big mess but i think well i know for a fact especially living in vancouver that people's
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general disposition especially on the coastal cities and the media hubs is this progressive
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ideology that's very anti-christian uh white guilt so this was just great for that this was yeah
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uh we knew it we knew we were crappy we knew our country sucks we knew christians are bigoted obviously
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you know it's kind of weird and it was it just created this like mob flash but anyways uh there's
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a there's a lot of stuff in the in the uh documentary uh that hasn't been heard anywhere else i'm really
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excited to share it with people um but i do want the viewers and our followers to know that this isn't uh
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let's bash the kamloops uh band thing it's like it's what do we know which is actually very little
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and i think that's that i think that's important that we we view things through that skeptical lens
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but also not be overly skeptical that it's not sensitive to the actual damage that has been done
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and you know the act like you know i'm not for any for any uh sense of the word or any stretch of the
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imagination going to defend residential schools so you know as as some sort of a great idea i look at
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them as just more terrible oppressive government policy as there's always terrible government
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oppressive policy and i don't think that i think that maybe says less about the church and it does
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about the government because they were just a popular institution at the time you know if it was
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now it would be just government boarding schools or atheist boarding schools and it would be the same crap
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so anyways yeah yeah it is uh it's that age-old adage that uh we should always resist the government
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or frankly anybody else telling you what's right for you and your own kids and your own family
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um now if people want to get tickets to get um information about the showings of the documentary because
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we are doing in-person showings um ahead of time before we sort of release it to the world uh tell
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us where we can find that so canyon meadows cinemas in calgary on the 28th of this month uh drea and
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i will be there and sheila you're going to be there too right you better believe it awesome so yeah it's
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uh because of the spicy nature of the documentary there isn't a ton of public facing advertisement so
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unless you're hearing about it on rebel news you probably won't hear about it yet um but yeah
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if you're in the calgary area on the 28th 7 p.m come down uh you know come ask us questions view it with
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us we'd love to share it with you guys and uh otherwise uh you can you can watch right now on rebel
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news plus yep uh at cam loops documentary.com people can get more information about that and by the way
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if you are indeed perhaps a venue owner manager um maybe you're an independent theater
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and you think that you would like to bring this movie um because you're not afraid of the
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cancel culture mob or you believe in free speech um and you think that people can make up their own
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minds reach out to us reach out to me directly go to sheila at rebel news.com send me an email
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and i'll make sure that gets passed up the supply chain um because we are actively looking for places
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where we can show the movie in person um now moving on from that matt you've been doing some
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great work in front of the camera and i'm really happy to see that we should get you
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from behind the camera in front of the lens more often um and you were out asking people about what
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the liberals can do to make your life more affordable and you sort of uh did this as the
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liberals were meeting at a luxury resort to discuss affordability which is just so perfectly
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perfectly liberal and i was sort of shocked when you told me off camera where you were asking these
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questions and the because it was in vancouver and again i'm confirming my own biases about vancouver but
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i was shocked because very few people were saying i need free stuff from the government which was
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very refreshing yeah so uh just a little uh backstory the liberals in their cabinet were in vancouver
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um and when they say vancouver they really mean the lower mainland so you know the surrounding areas
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uh from september 6th to september 8th on a what's called a retreat to discuss affordability
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for canadians and um last time justin trudeau was in town although it was uh eventually canceled uh
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because of protesters it was in surrey which is about 30 uh 20 30 kilometers from vancouver um but it's
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also very uh heavy uh student population it's one of our biggest urban centers in the lower mainland
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lots of east indians lots of immigrants um so i decided to go to surrey central which is like our
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main station uh skytrain station there and there's a simon fraser university campus there and just ask
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people on the street since i assumed the liberals were going to be meeting in surrey well what's
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something that you know justin trudeau can do for you to make your life a little bit easier and for
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the people that didn't say uh or scoff and just laugh and say i wish he would go away which was a lot
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of people to be honest um the people that did actually uh uh you know talk to us overwhelmingly
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said we need to do something about our housing and our rent and i mean that's no surprise i mean
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you know uh one one bedroom apartment in vancouver on average is 2600 and that's not just downtown
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vancouver that's all the lower mainland like for example now as of yesterday areas in burnaby which is
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20k out of vancouver are more expensive than downtown vancouver so it's we can't get a break
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like we had our gas was almost at 240 during the peak um canada or bc is getting its butt like very
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much whooped because of the inflation and everything else is happening so yeah overwhelmingly people were
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saying please do something about our rent which which makes sense especially at like a public
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transportation hub so yeah it was just fascinating to see these young people um who were so in tune
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with the fact that unless something happens here i'm never going to be able to afford a house now
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i'll ask you because you're a young person who were at least younger than me who lives in the greater
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vancouver area which is quickly becoming one of the most expensive places in north america to live if
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not the most expensive place in north america to live um what's the solution to um housing prices
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because i'm not one of those people who believes in rent control because once you start putting
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controls on rent landlords stop being landlords um because why you can't cover your mortgage so what's
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the solution here is it remove the barriers to new home construction is it maybe we need to pump the
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brakes on immigration or at least bring those targets down so that there's not a such a supply
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demand issue what's the what's the solution here in the famous words of stephen harper austerity
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that's but here's here's the thing that's that's unfortunate the only thing that's going to
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okay i have to i have to zoom out so i can paint this picture for our viewers which is what i believe is
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the issue uh canadians have the worst income to debt ratios in all of the g7 which means we spend
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almost 190 percent of our disposable income from month to month and this has only become worse
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because of quantitative easing which is the money printing the the increase of the money supply so
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the problem is canadians have always been bad with their money and this isn't something that started
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with justin trudeau actually the aggressive quantitative easing did start with stephen harper
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to avoid the 2008 financial collapse in the states luckily canada just never went through that
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but here's the problem because canadians are actually really bad with their uh investments
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and with their savings of their debts a lot of canadians have treated their houses and their
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mortgages as a retirement vessel and as a uh an investment when in reality housing residential housing
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should never be an investment it's supposed to be a commodity but some reason in canada we're we're
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we're raised up and we're grown thinking that for some reason a house is an investment but
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nowhere else in the world you read any sort of financial guru read any sort of robert kiyosaki
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he'll tell you like no that's not that's not what it's supposed to be so anyways people have used
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their their house and the rapid inflation of their house price their house value they bought a house
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10 years ago for for a quarter million now it's worth 1.5 they've used that money and they pulled out
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equity from their houses to fund their retirement fund their second house buy a house for their kid
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buy a car buy a second car go to cabo like do all these things so canadians have just been perpetually
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pulling from this piggy bank and going into debt so here's the issue now if you have a housing supply
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because we have record low housing uh supply a shortage all across canada it's like i think it's
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uh our best market is two months and a healthy housing market should have six months to a year at
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least of inventory so you you quantify that with the bottleneck at municipal levels for building
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permits uh supply issues for building houses here's the thing if we can do all these things and build
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let's say like even like pauliev wants to do let's build a million new houses okay that's good and that
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that means someone like me will be able to afford a house in a place i live hopefully or at least have
00:26:52.120
affordable rent but the problem is people like my parents would automatically have to see their value the
00:26:58.120
value of their homes drop 30 40 50 percent maybe even for us to even have a chance to get in and
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at that point because here's another interesting thing canada is the only nation in the g7 that
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includes residential housing into its gdp projections so go figure when that when the liberals say we've
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actually had an economic recovery what they're saying is we've actually inflated the value of your home
00:27:21.640
by 30 percent and we're equating that economic growth into our gdp so what happens then if housing prices
00:27:30.120
drop 20 30 40 50 in canada our economy collapses fully crap gone like bad really bad so it's unfortunate
00:27:40.600
because yeah obviously rent should be cheaper but at what expense you know yeah obviously interest rates
00:27:45.720
should be lower but then at what expense you know so we've really got ourselves into a very difficult
00:27:52.200
position that was uh that has been exacerbated by um i believe originally stephen harper's cabinet
00:28:00.520
with the quantity of easing which was supposed to be a temporary a very temporary measure to get us out
00:28:05.320
of the situation much like income tax was supposed to be a temporary situation yeah yeah but they just kept
00:28:11.240
gst and they just but they just kept it and then the liberals just dumped a bunch of gasoline on it
00:28:17.640
and now i don't think that i mean so hopefully there's an economist that can weigh in on this
00:28:22.600
but anybody on youtube that's offering some sort of short-term fix or any politician that's saying
00:28:26.680
they're gonna they're gonna make things more affordable it's like i don't know if it's possible
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but then again i'm not i'm not a pedigreed economist so i'm hoping someone can can prove me wrong
00:28:37.160
i plan to die here like never moving so it's okay uh it's okay for me but i i really feel for um
00:28:46.680
the the next generation the sort of millennials and zoomers who uh just can't see the canadian dream in
00:28:55.080
their future it's terrible now um one other thing that you've done some really great work on and again
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you approach approach it with um a certain humanity that i admire and that was you did a video uh you
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went to uh one of the least desirable places again in north america the downtown east side and you asked
00:29:16.360
the people there what they thought about the province legalizing the possession of small quantities of
00:29:27.080
hard drugs so why don't you tell us about that because again i was surprised but not really that
00:29:32.920
people who are either in active recovery or active drug use they thought this was a bad idea so i don't
00:29:40.760
know who the the powers that be think they're helping here yeah it's interesting that the duality is
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literally a line called main street that splits the west and the east side um we went in front of uh
00:29:53.480
union gospel mission which is a christian um well they do rehab they do uh shelter for homeless people
00:30:01.400
and recovery and for uh women and it's a awesome awesome if you guys don't know what union gospel
00:30:07.800
mission they're just they're the best they're just such lovely people but we went there and we
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interviewed a few people that were hanging out outside uh one of them was an artist named chris blake
00:30:15.400
a young recovering addict and uh they told me i will ask them what they thought about this policy
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and they said well you know it really makes me feel like uh people don't care about us they don't
00:30:25.960
care if we die or whatever else and um you know they were saying i came from alberta and one of the
00:30:32.600
things that kept me clean is i felt like i had to use uh my drugs in my shed uh because they were
00:30:38.280
ashamed about it but then it's funny if you listen to like mike farnsworth or you listen to like our
00:30:42.840
health minister whatever else they'll say the main reason for this initiative is is to remove the shame
00:30:47.320
and the stigma so then i'm like okay if i could see i could see why this policy on paper could make
00:30:55.960
sense if it was restricted to a zone like three blocks by three blocks specifically in the downtown
00:31:00.520
east side so that you're not getting you're not you know bottlenecking uh the police with petty drug
00:31:06.600
crimes where people get booked and then they're out on the street again and also you can't fully
00:31:10.600
rehabilitate these people because if they have a criminal record or they you know then they can't get a
00:31:15.560
job and then they're just on the government's teat like forever so like i do see the logic there
00:31:20.680
but then when you actually talk to somebody who's going through recovery and you ask them
00:31:25.720
what they've been through and how this could uh adversely or benefit them it basically removes the uh
00:31:33.000
you know the incentive to get clean and to be a normal member an active participating member of
00:31:37.240
society so there needs to be some sort of nuance there but this is the thing that like really blows my
00:31:42.040
mind about all of it we're not just talking about the downtown east side we're talking about british
00:31:45.880
columbia the whole province all the way north and anybody's ever been to british columbia knows
00:31:51.960
we have a drug problem here and not opioids oh yeah but not but not just in the downtown east side
00:31:58.120
we have a terrible recreational drug problem here like i didn't even really like understand it like i
00:32:03.400
i grew up in new westminster british columbia and you know i was always scared to death i never did drugs
00:32:09.240
you know i maybe smoked some weed or whatever else but i never tried anything hard anything that could
00:32:13.400
like wreck my life but most of my friends that i grew up with and i grew up in not in not a bad
00:32:18.120
neighborhood but most of the friends that i grew up with you know were doing like at least half of the
00:32:22.680
people that i would party with on the weekends and these were like the normal kids in school were
00:32:26.520
doing cocaine or ecstasy or or mdma like i didn't realize how bad it was until i went to new york
00:32:32.840
and i was hanging out in like manhattan with socialites and cocaine was like a special thing that was
00:32:37.480
reserved only for the rich kids and care came out very sparingly like if you come to canada
00:32:41.800
especially sorry if you come to british columbia it is shocking like go to a music festival it is
00:32:47.080
absolutely shocking the amount of party drugs and then when you know we have fentanyl coming in through
00:32:51.880
the docks and and party drugs are getting laced and cut well no wonder we're having you know 2300
00:32:57.000
people die in one year from from an opioid epidemic it's not just junkies on the street it's
00:33:01.640
it's kids it's young parents you know it's people that like to party on the weekends that are dying
00:33:06.120
from these drugs so now these these uh recreational drugs cocaine methamphetamine whatever else that's
00:33:14.120
being used in party settings is going to be even more open and even more welcome so i expect personally
00:33:20.760
i expect overdoses to skyrocket because of this policy um and but i would sensibly like to see
00:33:27.640
something that can allow people who want to get sober and rehabilitate and get work to allow them to do
00:33:33.400
that allow them to like you know but it's tricky right it has to be more nuanced than black and
00:33:39.160
white criminal record no criminal record you know like because that's not helping so there there does
00:33:44.760
need to be nuanced but decriminalizing hard drugs i don't think is it because if you know i think about
00:33:49.560
like my 19 year old cousin and as of january she could walk up to a police officer and bang a needle
00:33:54.680
a heroin in her arm right in front of the cop and the cop can't even take it from her like what where
00:33:59.240
where like what the hell is happening in this country that you could do something like that you
00:34:03.240
know it's it feels like we've we've given up as a society on these people instead of saying you know
00:34:10.040
what the best way for you to be for you to feel about yourself and for your families by the way who
00:34:15.800
are also victims of uh the drug abuse of the abuser uh the best way for everybody to move forward is if
00:34:24.840
you get clean and become a productive member of society but it feels like we've decided that
00:34:29.240
that's not even an option that these people deserve and i agree with you there has to be a better way
00:34:34.360
um but also to use the criminal justice system to incentivize people to stay clean for example you end
00:34:42.680
up with a criminal charge but maybe after three years or five years you get an automatic pardon for
00:34:51.320
your drug charge if you've stayed out of trouble because i know that for some people the cost of
00:34:56.440
getting a pardon is um prohibitive when you're trying to get back on your feet but maybe it's
00:35:01.640
three years instead of the five or ten or whatever it is now in the i forget what it is to get a part
00:35:07.080
and it's a lot of money by the way um but you know maybe maybe it's just an automatic pardon of those
00:35:14.920
charges if you have a history of keeping the peace and being of good behavior so that there's an
00:35:20.840
incentive for you to keep your life on track and if you do keep your life on track this thing doesn't
00:35:27.480
follow you forever um and punish you forever when you're not that person anymore um but yeah i just
00:35:34.440
you know your video was so great because instead of the fancy people talking about what's best for
00:35:40.200
those people over there you actually went and talked to the people over there whose opinions are
00:35:45.080
so very much disregarded in this whole conversation you know it's funny to to the people that we talked
00:35:51.080
to we talked to a bunch of people actually who were addicts in recovery on the downtown east side
00:35:55.480
two other people we talked to one were was a younger kind of she looked like maybe like a raver
00:36:00.360
kind of chick on commercial drive commercial drive is for those who haven't been to vancouver is kind
00:36:04.840
of like our uh our granola uh kind of hips not really i wouldn't call it hipster but it's kind of like
00:36:12.200
granola e uh raver culture hippie culture epitome on that strip if you've ever been and uh we talked
00:36:21.160
it to the raver chick and this other guy who was also visiting from australia or i guess he was here
00:36:25.320
on a work permit from australia a young liberal kind of type uh wearing like the dad hat and the ray-bans
00:36:31.800
and like typical kind of you know and they both thought it was an excellent idea you know awesome yeah i
00:36:38.040
don't think people should you know there shouldn't be any any crimes for drugs and blah blah and it's
00:36:42.120
just like they were just the talking points there was no like critical thinking about the ramifications
00:36:48.200
of this policy it's like oh yeah it's great you don't think that the 30 year old heroin addict
00:36:53.000
should be harassed for shooting heroin on maina hastings yeah that's awesome how about the 18 year
00:36:57.160
old college kid with the eight ball of coke and nelson how about him do you think that should be illegal
00:37:01.560
like flies like you know like not not even a thought as to how this could affect our the fabric
00:37:08.760
of our society and they get to go back to their nice middle-class neighborhoods they don't get to
00:37:15.400
see the ugly fallout of long-term drug addiction where there's no point of intervention for police or
00:37:25.640
rehab like sometimes right people end up getting picked up by cops on a drug charge and they get
00:37:31.320
before a judge who says go to rehab we'll stay the charges but if there was never that point of
00:37:37.720
intervention then that person never gets before a judge who says to them there's a better way if you
00:37:43.480
want to stay out of uh jail go to rehab and maybe you know one in three people take that take that way out
00:37:51.880
but that's one in three people that's great um but you know these middle-class kids who think oh
00:37:57.480
recreational drug use is cool they never see the ugly side of the fallout of long-term drug use
00:38:03.960
well the thing is i think a lot of people in bc specifically this may not be true across canada
00:38:12.440
but they they do see the ugly effects because you'll be hard-pressed talk to a random person in
00:38:19.080
vancouver that didn't immigrate here but was born here you'll be hard-pressed to talk to someone who
00:38:23.640
doesn't either know someone who's addicted to drugs or died from drugs like you will be very
00:38:29.080
hard-pressed but the thing is is our culture around drugs it's this very open liberal culture around
00:38:36.120
drugs and around like uh they're they're coupled with either they're coupled with freedom and
00:38:41.400
expression in british columbia freedom and expression and identity which make them so dangerous which is why
00:38:46.760
we can have like the ugly drunken uncle in the attic aka you know hastings and and maine on the
00:38:53.480
downtown east side in front of the some of the most expensive real estate in one of the most expensive
00:38:58.600
real estate markets in the world but then also celebrate you know things like mushrooms and and mdma
00:39:05.560
and all it's there's a there's a cognitive dissonance between what hard drugs actually are and what
00:39:10.760
they're actually doing to people and yeah yeah most people who come here for the first time or visit
00:39:15.880
are absolutely just shocked by it by just how open it is here again you reaffirm my commitment to just
00:39:22.600
stay here and die here i'm just gonna stay here and die here and i'm catholic so shame and stigma we
00:39:28.280
love that stuff i don't see a problem with it um one last thing before i let you go because i know
00:39:33.400
we're going long um but that's okay um tell us you know you're a musician juno award nominated musician
00:39:40.680
what are you working on next and where do people find your music cool yeah so i'm working on
00:39:45.720
some new music right now i've been i've been trying to after more of us came out and it did
00:39:50.440
really well and it was a part of this like cultural moment it's uh i've been thinking about
00:39:55.000
what type of music i want to create and put in the world what type of content i want to create
00:39:58.600
and also working uh with drea doing camera with drea has been keeping me really busy so i'm going to
00:40:02.920
take some time over the next month or so to kind of reassess what i want to put out and i'm sitting on
00:40:07.560
a bunch of stuff right now so before the end of the year i'm sure there will be some new stuff and
00:40:12.280
hopefully you'll see it you know on rebel which would be great um but in the meantime you can
00:40:16.920
check me out on spotify at brevner and see some of my uh my music videos and stuff on matt brevner tv
00:40:24.680
on youtube that's great i can't wait to see what you do next and you know at rebel news we're your
00:40:30.440
biggest fans matt thanks so much for coming on the show um it's been too long we'll have you back
00:40:47.720
well friends this brings us to the portion of the show where we invite your viewer feedback you see
00:40:51.880
unlike the mainstream media who um well they just want your money but they actually don't want to
00:40:56.840
hear from you i actually care about what you think about the work that we're doing here at rebel news so
00:41:02.600
i invite you to send me a letter of your feedback send it to sheila at rebel news dot com put in the
00:41:10.040
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00:41:15.480
around on rumble for your comments there on our stories so do leave a comment there i just might
00:41:22.440
find it and read it on air now today's gun show letter comes to us from a regular viewer of the show
00:41:28.840
it's bruce atchison believe he lives in radway if i'm remembering correctly radway alberta beautiful
00:41:36.120
downtown radway alberta anyway bruce writes to me on a show that i did a few weeks back with my friend
00:41:42.280
robbie picard from oil sand strong he's firing up a bus and he's driving all the way across the country
00:41:49.400
to bring the message of how great canadian oil and gas is for canadians for the canadian economy
00:41:58.760
for canadian jobs for prosperity but also for peace around the world and he's going to tell
00:42:05.960
the stories of the people along the way and how oil and gas has made a difference in their lives
00:42:12.440
and in their community now bruce writes to me and says hi sheila i loved your interview with robbie
00:42:18.920
picard i wish him well on his cross-country tour yeah i bet that's going to be so much fun i'm sort
00:42:23.400
of kind of jealous that he gets to do that bruce says i sure wish our provincial conservative candidates
00:42:31.240
would call net zero what it is you know that's this idea that every project or anything we do in
00:42:40.920
our lives if it emits carbon emissions carbon emissions have to be absorbed on the other side
00:42:50.200
for example if bill gates flies into a climate change conference on a helicopter private helicopter
00:42:59.480
i should probably just walk everywhere for about a month to offset that um it's absolutely insane and
00:43:06.680
it's impossible but anyway bruce writes any child knows that plants need carbon dioxide yeah it's
00:43:13.160
called photosynthesis and it's not only for heating that propane heaters are used in greenhouses now the
00:43:19.880
lunatics are after nitrogen yes it is true another life-giving gas needed by plants these delusional
00:43:25.880
fools are like the idiot woodsman who sought off the branch he was sitting on worse yet we citizens
00:43:31.160
pay the price for their suicidal notions yours in christ bruce um with also he signs off for his cat
00:43:38.680
but it is true i mean my one of my latest shows with was with michelle sterling from friends of science
00:43:45.400
and you know we were talking about net zero health care and you see these radicals within the health care
00:43:51.800
industry who are saying you know we got to get health care to net zero of all the things that you know you
00:43:58.040
shouldn't focus on carbon emissions on probably health care is one of the things that even if
00:44:03.640
you're an eco radical a member of the green cult that's one of the things that you should say you
00:44:08.360
know what this is probably worth expending those carbon emissions on but there is a movement from
00:44:13.960
within health care to say no we really have to rethink the carbon emissions in the ambulances and
00:44:20.840
at the hospital and what your carbon emissions are in your end of life as in are you worth the
00:44:30.600
electricity to run the ventilator it's really chilling stuff but even at the most base level
00:44:36.840
who do these eco radical doctors think is paying for the health care system it's the economic prosperity
00:44:43.560
generated by oil and gas and so if oil and gas goes away um the health care system which is already
00:44:50.120
very precarious and probably in uh on the precipice of collapse i would say if oil and gas prosperity
00:44:57.640
goes away that's it there kiss your public health care goodbye for what it's worth uh i'm ready for a
00:45:05.160
rejig of the system there a great reset in the health care industry if you will but uh i would hate
00:45:09.800
for it to come all crashing down before we do that but that's what would happen in the health care
00:45:15.480
industry if these eco radical doctors got their way well everybody that's the show for tonight thank
00:45:21.800
you so much for tuning in i'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week
00:45:26.680
and as i tell you every week don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think