Rebel News Podcast - May 23, 2024


SHEILA GUNN REID | Rebel News latest documentary premieres in Calgary to a packed house


Episode Stats

Length

14 minutes

Words per Minute

178.00745

Word Count

2,664

Sentence Count

205

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

4


Summary

Our new documentary, Made: The Dark Side of Canadian Compassion, documents Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's use of medical assistance in dying, or medical killing, if we're going to cut the BS, to eliminate the wait times in his failing healthcare system.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 We're taking this show on the road.
00:00:16.080 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.
00:00:30.000 Well, today's the day we premiere our brand new documentary.
00:00:39.280 It's called Made, The Dark Side of Canadian Compassion, and it documents Justin Trudeau's
00:00:43.480 use of medical assistance in dying, euthanasia, really, or medical killing, if we're going
00:00:48.960 to cut the BS, to eliminate the wait times in his failing healthcare system.
00:00:54.800 For those of you who don't know, medical assistance in dying, under its first iteration, was meant
00:01:00.780 for people who were terminally ill, whose deaths were in the foreseeable future.
00:01:05.380 Now it's expanded to people who have chronic illnesses, and very soon it will be expanded
00:01:11.020 to include people whose sole underlying condition is mental illness.
00:01:16.640 So people who are sad, people who are not able to get the healthcare they need so their condition
00:01:24.320 becomes chronic and painful.
00:01:26.760 Those people, they can get medical assistance in dying in this country faster than they can
00:01:35.200 get adequate healthcare.
00:01:37.260 So our new documentary, it's out today in Calgary.
00:01:40.620 If you want to see the documentary in a city or town near you, go to endmade.com to find
00:01:49.440 out showtimes and get tickets.
00:01:50.960 And I'm here right now, outside of the venue.
00:01:53.400 The documentary is screaming right now in Calgary.
00:01:55.900 So this is new and exciting for us.
00:01:57.900 This is my filmmaking partner, our head of documentaries, Kian Simone.
00:02:01.840 Kian, there's a lot of people here tonight, right?
00:02:04.840 Yeah, it's a packed room.
00:02:06.180 It's hot in there, even though the AC is blasting.
00:02:08.800 It's cold outside.
00:02:09.800 We're going to get rained on.
00:02:10.800 So we'll talk as long as we can.
00:02:13.040 But if it starts to rain, I'm worried about Kian's fancy camera equipment.
00:02:18.040 You and I have talked about this before, the last time we sat down for the gun show on
00:02:22.020 this topic, we were on the road.
00:02:23.280 I think we were in Ottawa filming the documentary.
00:02:26.420 The documentary is put together.
00:02:27.600 It's complete.
00:02:28.920 What was it like going through all the interviews and then piecing it all back together?
00:02:33.480 Heartbreaking.
00:02:34.480 Yeah.
00:02:35.480 While we were sitting there doing the interviews, obviously you could feel it.
00:02:39.720 It's in the room.
00:02:40.720 It's sinister.
00:02:41.720 Yeah.
00:02:42.720 Even though everybody in there is there for good intentions and trying to do something
00:02:47.220 to stop this.
00:02:48.920 But you could feel the evil in there.
00:02:50.880 And I think going back to it, I'm not just reliving it once, not twice, not three times,
00:02:57.260 not four times.
00:02:58.260 Right.
00:02:59.260 Going through these interviews, piecing it together, yeah, no, it took a toll on my mental
00:03:07.460 health.
00:03:08.460 I won't lie.
00:03:09.460 It's harsh, but I think I pieced something together that's palatable, has its ups and downs,
00:03:17.140 which I think people will appreciate because it is a really hard topic.
00:03:21.260 It is a hard topic and it's kind of complicated, you know, how did we go from really a change
00:03:28.860 in the criminal code where doctors couldn't be prosecuted for ending someone's life if
00:03:35.020 their death was in the foreseeable future to where we are, where doctors now are at House
00:03:42.360 of Commons committees proposing euthanizing inconvenient babies, really sick babies.
00:03:48.320 This is where we're at now.
00:03:49.460 And, you know, it's kind of a complicated route, several changes in legislation for us
00:03:54.700 to get here.
00:03:55.980 But I think you did a really good job of sort of threading the needle and then looping
00:04:01.800 back in those stories of the people who are living with the consequences of it.
00:04:05.880 When you were introducing the show, you mentioned that it got extended to people with chronic
00:04:10.140 illnesses.
00:04:11.140 And I think you glazed over that too nicely.
00:04:15.300 And it's something I kind of regret now after finishing the documentary is that it's not
00:04:19.480 just chronic illnesses.
00:04:20.540 It's homeless people.
00:04:21.820 That's not a chronic illness.
00:04:23.060 That's a chronic problem with our country, not with them.
00:04:27.060 That's a failing of government policy frequently, maybe with them a little bit.
00:04:30.600 But come on, like it's it's not even a problem with trying to get adequate health care.
00:04:36.160 It's trying to get adequate help for people and instead offering them aid.
00:04:40.400 So it's not even it's not a health care issue is kind of the way that I framed it in the
00:04:44.600 documentary.
00:04:45.640 But as I said, I regret not focusing a bit more on the fact that it's it's everybody.
00:04:51.760 It's not just people who are sick, who are depressed, who are this or that to everyone.
00:04:57.800 Right.
00:04:57.920 It it seems it's like it's a way out for failed government policies, people who were productive
00:05:04.160 individuals who are down on their luck, who find themselves homeless or who end up addicted
00:05:10.400 to drugs.
00:05:11.000 And maybe they don't have the good fortune of living in Alberta.
00:05:14.440 So they don't have treatment available and they have government enabling them.
00:05:18.140 Those people can get access to made in some provinces quicker than they can get access to
00:05:23.100 drug treatment.
00:05:23.760 And you're right, we shouldn't even be framing this as a health care issue.
00:05:29.940 This isn't a deep rot in our society that we are are really offering people suicide when
00:05:38.440 they're inconvenient.
00:05:39.360 I said evil earlier when we were talking about in the room what you could feel.
00:05:44.620 And sure, I think negligence is is plays into evil.
00:05:48.400 But that's I think more of what it is, is that a lot of people would go back.
00:05:53.280 And it's funny, I quote Adolf Hitler right off the beginning, but a lot of people would
00:05:56.780 go back and kind of try to relate it to that.
00:05:59.340 And I don't think it's a we think these people are beneath us and they should die because of
00:06:03.760 we don't believe in who they are.
00:06:05.140 It's it's literally we don't know what the hell to do.
00:06:08.360 So we're just going to do what we can.
00:06:10.460 And I think that's a serious problem.
00:06:13.020 And maybe controversial to say worse than evil, because there's no point.
00:06:17.840 Right.
00:06:18.160 There's no point to the killing.
00:06:19.480 It's we don't know what the hell to do.
00:06:20.920 Right.
00:06:21.940 It's the end stage of dehumanization where we don't even see the people in front of us
00:06:28.340 as people, but just a problem to get out of the way because we don't know what else to
00:06:34.740 do or we don't have the political will to do it.
00:06:36.600 I agree.
00:06:37.380 All right.
00:06:38.000 Well, that was that.
00:06:38.680 Kian, we did this documentary and it's dark and it's about a sinister, a failing of, I think,
00:06:49.720 not just the government, but also of Canadian society.
00:06:54.160 I think this is a failing of our culture that we accept this, although the good news is in
00:07:01.560 the documentary is that many people don't.
00:07:03.580 I think your documentary serves as an educational tool because you and I both know as we were
00:07:09.260 making the documentary, we were getting 50 percent of our emails were saying, Sheila
00:07:14.000 and Kian, there's no possible way it's as bad as you're saying it is.
00:07:18.140 And the other 50 percent were saying it's that bad and worse.
00:07:22.320 But the documentary, we interviewed the activists who are fighting for change.
00:07:27.380 And there's, you know, there's two pathways to change.
00:07:32.020 There's change the government, sure, but also change how we interact with our neighbors
00:07:36.900 because we found out time and time again, it's not really a crisis of health care, as
00:07:43.920 you say, or of pain and suffering.
00:07:46.700 It's hopelessness.
00:07:48.440 Yeah, it's feeling like you don't have a purpose.
00:07:51.660 And it's extremely sad that that's what it is.
00:07:56.080 And you can look at the data, like we say in the documentary, and it's very publicly
00:08:00.360 out there.
00:08:00.920 People choose it because they feel like they don't have a purpose.
00:08:03.960 And I think that that's where, well, that is where the documentary leaves off is that
00:08:07.720 it's not government because, and it's, you know, Pierre Paulyev says, when I get in
00:08:12.940 government, I'm going to stop the expansion to mental illness.
00:08:15.940 Okay.
00:08:16.140 And what?
00:08:16.840 And then what?
00:08:17.620 Right.
00:08:17.900 Are you going to peel back that we're not going to kill homeless people anymore either?
00:08:21.000 Are we not going to go to BC and take people off the streets and disappear them
00:08:24.880 too?
00:08:26.080 Like the government's not going to do anything.
00:08:28.220 It has to come from us.
00:08:30.920 And giving people purpose doesn't mean you need to completely change their life when you
00:08:37.180 know that their lives are going to end in three months.
00:08:40.260 It's going.
00:08:41.160 And my favorite thing in the documentary is going to play cards with them because that's
00:08:44.940 purpose for tomorrow.
00:08:45.800 For someone who has absolutely nothing is having something to look forward to the next
00:08:49.580 day.
00:08:49.820 And that's, that's kind of the message that, um, try to get out with the documentary itself.
00:08:56.580 I didn't make the documentary.
00:08:58.080 Actually, I did make the documentary at first to stop people from killing themselves with
00:09:02.900 MAID.
00:09:03.120 And I realized that no one who is going through that is going to watch this documentary.
00:09:07.980 Right.
00:09:08.160 And I had to stop kidding myself.
00:09:09.380 I had to put the extra work in to have someone who watches the documentary be the person who
00:09:14.620 stops someone from getting MAID.
00:09:15.680 They need to know how to speak to people who are, um, suffering from lack of purpose and
00:09:21.020 hopelessness.
00:09:21.580 And I think, I think I succeeded in that, in, in being able to equip people with what
00:09:26.460 they need to know of how to stop someone from getting it.
00:09:30.500 You know, you change the culture, you change politics, right?
00:09:33.540 Like politics is downstream of culture as Andrew Breitbart once said.
00:09:36.700 And I think that's, that's really where this starts.
00:09:39.220 Yeah.
00:09:39.380 We can, we can hope and pray from my lips to God's ears that Justin Trudeau is not reelected
00:09:44.680 in 2025, but that doesn't change the pernicious problem with our culture that people are suffering
00:09:49.480 around us and, and we're not doing the things we can to help them.
00:09:53.340 Yeah.
00:09:53.500 They, they didn't extend the, um, made to people with mental illness because they had a moral
00:09:59.600 problem to it.
00:10:00.360 They had, they did not extend it because they could not live up to and accept all of the
00:10:05.400 people who wanted mental illness made for mental illness.
00:10:08.240 It was a capacity problem.
00:10:09.860 It's a capacity problem.
00:10:10.920 And that says nothing about MAID.
00:10:12.240 That says nothing about anything else other than we have a problem with our society.
00:10:16.680 And, and that's, um, that's that.
00:10:19.480 Right.
00:10:20.540 And you know, your question or your documentary right in the middle of it, there's a question.
00:10:26.720 How do we know which people need mental help for suicidality and which people need medical
00:10:35.340 help to commit suicide?
00:10:37.900 And there's no possible way that any doctor can answer that.
00:10:41.800 Why in the world would you have suicide prevention when you can have suicide assistance?
00:10:46.940 Right.
00:10:47.200 Cause to them, it's the same thing.
00:10:50.080 And they just chose the other one.
00:10:52.660 Now, I know we talked about it last time you were on the show.
00:10:54.760 We're going to get rained on and your camera is going to die.
00:10:56.940 And then we're going to have to do a crowdfund for that extra camera.
00:10:59.560 So we don't want to do that.
00:11:01.260 But, uh, tell us a little bit and then we'll wrap it up.
00:11:04.580 Tell us a little bit about your, uh, your change as you were doing this documentary.
00:11:11.320 Cause you went on a bit of a journey.
00:11:13.000 I love that you're a filmmaker who approaches the topics with an open mind instead of with
00:11:18.160 a, with a conclusion and you find the facts to fit your conclusion.
00:11:21.560 You went the other way around.
00:11:22.600 Tell us what happened to you.
00:11:23.900 Yeah.
00:11:24.100 So I had a family friend who, uh, got made, um, and I agreed with it at first.
00:11:29.200 I, I, it made sense.
00:11:30.940 It was terminally illness.
00:11:32.460 Kids didn't want to, you know, look like that.
00:11:35.860 It'd be like that.
00:11:36.840 Got, got made.
00:11:37.840 Everybody was fine.
00:11:38.620 There was a very nice process.
00:11:40.640 Everybody was involved.
00:11:41.640 Um, like I wasn't personally, but I saw it from the outside and, and that kind of just
00:11:45.720 solidified it for me.
00:11:47.360 Um, but then, you know, you could, you see all of the crazy stuff that's happening and
00:11:50.860 I kind of just opened up and I said, okay, I'm going to come into this with an open mind.
00:11:54.700 And I have, I said it tonight.
00:11:56.180 I have never made such a radical change in my life on any topic so fast.
00:12:01.500 Yeah.
00:12:02.240 Like I felt like I was, I was there.
00:12:03.920 I was getting brainwashed.
00:12:05.280 I was getting brainwashed.
00:12:07.000 Um, bad choice of word, but I flipped so heavy.
00:12:11.440 To the other side.
00:12:12.160 And I realized that I had such a personal connection to it because I suffered from mental
00:12:15.580 illness when I was 18 and suicidality and failed attempts.
00:12:18.820 And it's, I didn't, I'm not here today because I'm bad at suicide.
00:12:22.980 I'm here today because of logistics of suicide and the logistics of suicide.
00:12:27.000 When you ask yourself, who's going to find me, um, how am I going to do it?
00:12:30.520 Will it hurt?
00:12:31.700 Maid gets rid of all of those worries and makes it easy for people like myself at 18.
00:12:38.100 And I, now I made it for myself.
00:12:40.660 I made it so that someone could have spoken to me with this and said, no, you don't need
00:12:46.500 to do it.
00:12:46.900 I wouldn't have been the government doing it.
00:12:48.240 It would have been myself either way around.
00:12:50.220 It doesn't matter.
00:12:51.800 Um, that's the change that I made.
00:12:53.540 It came from something non-personal to something extremely personal because I had never made
00:12:56.880 that connection.
00:12:57.600 Yeah.
00:12:57.760 All those barriers that prevented you from doing it were, are eliminated through Maid.
00:13:03.940 Who's going to do it?
00:13:04.840 Or I'm scared to do it.
00:13:06.120 Well, a doctor will do it.
00:13:07.080 Is it going to hurt?
00:13:07.620 The doctor said, it's not going to hurt who's going to find me hell.
00:13:10.500 You can do it right at the funeral home.
00:13:11.860 If you want to, he's going to find me.
00:13:13.500 We'll, we'll take your body and we'll, we'll just tell your mom.
00:13:16.080 Yeah.
00:13:16.380 We'll tell her after.
00:13:17.760 Um, it's funny.
00:13:18.840 Your personal story is different than mine.
00:13:21.060 Mine.
00:13:21.900 Uh, my dad died when I was quite young and, uh, my mom and dad made a decision not to have
00:13:29.000 us come to the hospital to see him anymore because he had very aggressive cancer.
00:13:32.840 And I wish that I had seen the process of him dying because I'm still jarred by seeing
00:13:39.940 the skeleton of a man wearing my father's suit in that casket.
00:13:44.240 I wish I had been able to go on that journey and to see it.
00:13:48.820 And, uh, I think part of made is that it's tidy and it isolates people from the reality
00:13:55.980 of death, but nobody gets out of here alive.
00:13:57.980 And I think we should all come to terms with it.
00:14:00.220 I think it's a bad analogy for a story.
00:14:02.780 That's obviously very important, but it's like watching the end of a movie before seeing
00:14:06.860 the middle of it.
00:14:07.700 Like it's, you just, you just don't know.
00:14:09.960 Yeah.
00:14:10.640 And then you're stuck.
00:14:11.380 Like you just can't watch the middle of it.
00:14:13.060 Yeah.
00:14:14.240 Well, uh, on that note, Kian, tell us how we see the movie.
00:14:18.500 And made.com made documentary.com, whichever one you prefer.
00:14:21.600 If you're seeing this on Wednesday, um, we're probably showing it right that minute as you're
00:14:25.780 seeing this in Lethbridge.
00:14:27.600 Um, but after that, we are going to Red Deer, Edmonton, Muir, Grand Prairie, Grand Prairie,
00:14:34.440 Fort St. John, Surrey, Ottawa, Elmer.
00:14:37.920 Elmer.
00:14:39.240 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
00:14:41.080 We are getting rained on.
00:14:42.360 We got to wrap it up.
00:14:43.460 Um, as always, thanks so much for tuning in and don't let the government tell you that
00:14:47.760 you've had too much to think.
00:14:48.820 Um,
00:14:57.620 you