How did Canada s stupidest man become our best firearms salesman? My guest tonight explains. Rick Igersich from the National Firearms Association walks us through how we got to Canada s dumbest man inadvertently becoming Canada s best handgun salesman and then having to do something completely undemocratic to fix that.
00:00:39.080And men like Justin Trudeau are lazy and not very bright.
00:00:44.340And instead of tackling the gang crisis in Canada's cities, tightening up our borders, and dealing with the opioid crisis that's fueling gang violence, he's decided to swim down the path of least resistance.
00:00:59.920And that is to go after people who jump through hoops every single day just to maintain the private ownership of their firearms.
00:01:09.080But it's been seven years of this, and I think some people may have forgotten Justin Trudeau's own history.
00:01:17.340So tonight I've called in someone who can sort of rehash the history of Justin Trudeau's attacks on the law-abiding firearms-owning community here in Canada.
00:01:27.860So tonight joining me in an interview we recorded earlier this morning is Rick Igersich from the National Firearms Association.
00:01:36.720Joining me now from the National Firearms Association is Rick Igersich to sort of walk us through how we got to Canada's dumbest man inadvertently becoming Canada's best handgun salesman and then having to do something completely undemocratic to fix that.
00:02:07.280I'm the president of Canada's National Firearms Association.
00:02:11.380What the NFA is all about, we're Canada's largest advocacy group.
00:02:17.280Our job is basically to educate politicians, lobby politicians, and try to get some changes into some of the ridiculous firearm rules that lately the Liberals have been dropping on us.
00:02:32.460I think you guys have been around since the 70s.
00:02:35.380So we're approaching 50 years of advocacy from the NFA.
00:02:38.820So you've sort of shepherded the Canadian public through the introduction of the gun registry, then the repeal of the gun registry, and now this latest liberal attack on our firearms rights.
00:02:50.320So, you know, you've really been around and you guys have seen it all.
00:02:54.920And that's why I wanted to have you on the show today, because I thought that our public and our viewers here at Rebel News, we do have a lot of Americans who watch us.
00:03:03.920And the Canadian firearms community, I think they're particularly in tune to how quickly politicians' rhetoric can turn into law, just like that.
00:03:16.620So we don't have the same sort of democratic protections that they have in the United States, because their gun rights are protected and codified in law.
00:03:43.600You know, and it all, it basically, it started, the latest barrage from the liberals, Justin Trudeau's liberals, started basically on May 1st, 2020, with the order and council banning 1,500 types of firearms, and counting, I believe it's up to 1,800 now.
00:04:02.140You know, he basically dropped that on Canadians after the tragic events in Nova Scotia, he used that as his tool to drop this on us.
00:04:15.860So, you know, and basically, the order and council is banning more than what Trudeau calls his assault weapons.
00:05:03.540And it's the classic liberal, you know, spin it towards the firearms owners to get the heat off themselves, which we see all the time in the, you know, as far as Canadian firearms owners go.
00:06:28.240You know, I can't really comment on the case right now, but yeah, it's definitely, you know, finding that this order in council is not a lawful order, basically.
00:06:44.240You know, there are also, before we move on, so people understand, there are firearms manufacturers in this country whose complete business was wiped out by this order in council
00:06:55.700because some of them only make one model, and that model was on the list, and they had no notice, and so their entire business model was just destroyed by the liberals
00:07:05.620because the liberals reacted to a mass shooting done by someone who wasn't supposed to be in possession of firearms,
00:07:13.700used that to scapegoat the entire firearms community, and destroyed businesses along the way.
00:07:18.780Yeah, it destroyed them in a lot of different ways.
00:07:21.700You know, it did close some businesses down, but other businesses were hung with thousands,
00:07:27.840if not hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stock that they can't sell.
00:07:31.960Just like, you know, I know a local business here that has several of those types of firearms,
00:07:37.540and right now they're waiting to see what happens.
00:07:40.460Public Safety Minister Mendocino did say that there is going to be some sort of buyout to the retailers in the next few months.
00:07:55.460You know, they did release some ridiculous numbers with some pricing which are nowhere close to what these firearms are worth,
00:08:03.420but they're going to offer the businesses some money to buy these firearms.
00:08:09.940I don't know what the businesses are going to do.
00:08:11.740You know, a lot of people are in a bad position because of all this stock and all this money they have laid out,
00:08:16.700but the NFA is of the opinion that, you know, we're going to wait out until the end of the amnesty and see what happens.
00:08:22.920You know, let some of these court challenges get looked at and go from there.
00:08:27.980Yeah, that's an interesting point that you're making.
00:08:30.260There is a gun buyback program, but why should Canadian taxpayers be on the hook for the destruction that the liberals have caused in other people's businesses?
00:08:40.440Because at the end of the day, this is going to be a multi-billion dollar buyback of assets, stranded assets, as they say in the oil industry.
00:08:49.160The Canadian taxpayers should not be on the hook for any of this.
00:08:52.540None of it should be happening to start with, but then Canadian taxpayers are being stuck with this,
00:08:56.920and the liberals are patting themselves on the back saying, look what we did.
00:09:00.060We're helping them out after we've ruined their business.
00:09:04.100They have a different definition of a buyback than I do.
00:09:07.740I'm of the impression that you had to own something in the first place to buy it back.
00:09:12.700And then again, like you said, using our own taxpayers' money to buy back something they didn't own in the first place just doesn't make a lot of sense to me, Sheila.
00:09:21.380So let's move from there to what's happening now with the liberals are happening, and then they've somehow managed to make it even worse.
00:09:32.380They've decided to ban handguns, really, that at the end of the day, that's what they plan to do.
00:09:38.940And they're going to do it through several different steps.
00:09:41.440Why don't you walk us through how the liberals are planning to do that?
00:09:45.120Well, why don't we just backtrack a little bit to Bill C-71 before Bill C-21, which is the handgun ban.
00:09:52.600Back in July 7th of 2021, the liberals enacted Bill C-71, which included lifetime background checks, where it used to be five years.
00:10:06.000Now they can go back your whole life to do a background check.
00:10:09.580So if you had some sort of offense when you were young or something, and it was 20 or 30 years ago, they can take that into account.
00:10:16.680And I've been actually hearing that some PALs and restricted PAL licenses have been denied for that reason.
00:10:25.140Also with that, Bill, the authorization to transport a restricted firearm was limited to and from ranges and to your residence after a purchase from a gun shop.
00:10:37.960Before that, your authorization to transport was valid for gun clubs like it is.
00:10:46.400But it was also valid to border crossings.
00:11:11.780The second part of C-71, which became effective on May 18, 2022, was the license verification part of it.
00:11:20.560So basically, license verification and business keeping for non-restricted firearms.
00:11:26.180So what that is, is if you buy a long gun from a gun shop, they have to keep a record of that firearm.
00:11:37.460But they also have to call CFO and get an authorization number so the CFO can do a background check on you before they can sell you that firearm.
00:11:47.900So there's an authorization number attached to that firearm on the record now.
00:11:54.840Before, it was just if you had a valid PAL, you could purchase that firearm and walk out with it that day.
00:12:00.320And there's all kinds of issues with that also, because as far as one-on-one individuals purchasing firearms off of other individuals, you run into the problem of, okay, they basically are making the seller keep records for the government.
00:12:19.600Actually, there's no time limit on that, as far as I know yet.
00:12:27.960Call CFO, get a transfer number, you know, and whether or not they approve the, if they don't approve the transfer number, for instance, at a gun sale, that person wants to buy that gun.
00:12:39.680He's got a valid license, but he doesn't get that gun that day.
00:12:41.960And it gets worse, too, because usually gun shows are on weekends, and their portal is so jammed that people can't get through.
00:12:49.460And I'm in Ontario here, and I've noticed that most gun shows have been canceled now because of that.
00:12:55.280It basically killed another part of the economy just by that part of the bill.
00:13:00.740It's, in my opinion, in the NFA's opinion, it's nothing, it's a long gun registry 2.0.
00:13:06.500Yeah, that's, as you were talking, I just wrote that down.
00:13:09.620This is just a backdoor registry, and where they get to say it's not a registry, it's just records keeping by the retailer.
00:13:16.120But the retailer has to turn them over to the government if the government demands them.
00:13:19.900Now, I want to ask you, how does this affect competitive shooters in Canada?
00:13:23.620Because we have some of the best competitive shooters in the world, and Justin Trudeau, in a former life, he used to be,
00:13:31.720I think this was his highest position in government when he was in opposition, he was the critic for amateur sport, which included competitive shooting.
00:13:42.320But this basically wipes them out, does it not?
00:13:48.500It definitely keeps track of their firearms.
00:13:50.780But when we get into Bill C-21, that could lead to some real issues as far as competitive shooters go.
00:13:58.920So, especially the Bill C-21, Bill C-21 has several parts to it.
00:14:05.480The biggest ones that we're concerned with right now, and we could have four of these meetings and not cover everything,
00:14:13.640but what the Liberals want to do is they want to freeze all import and movement of handguns in Canada.
00:14:22.620So, basically, what is going on right now, Marco Mendocino announced last week that he was going to stop the import of all handguns into Canada in a few days.
00:14:37.260So, that basically stifles the whole handgun industry in Canada.
00:14:42.880And as far as sport shooters, if this bill becomes law and they put a handgun freeze into place, which is basically, if you own a handgun, you can't move that gun, you can't give it to your heirs, you can't sell it.
00:15:02.020It's your firearm until you pass away, and then it goes back to the government.
00:15:06.120So, if there's new competitive shooters coming into the sport, like IPSC, IDPA, Olympic target shooting,
00:15:17.240these people right now aren't going to be able to get these firearms.
00:15:22.580Although there is a clause that Trudeau put in there that sport shooters, and he didn't really clarify on what type of sport shooters are still going to be able to purchase these firearms.
00:15:36.560So, I don't know, you know, I'm a sport shooter.
00:15:39.540Am I going to be able to buy these guns or is it going to be limited to government vetted Olympic athletes?
00:15:46.760There's nothing clear in this bill at all.
00:15:48.760Well, and how do you become somebody who's at the level to compete in the Olympics if you're not able to access training and ranges and firearms up until such time as you become an Olympic sport shooter?
00:16:03.600Basically, it ends the sport right here, but there's no opportunity for new people to join.
00:16:12.220That basically ends it for anybody new joining the sport.
00:16:15.960You know, there's sport shooters out there that have firearms that can continue their sport.
00:16:21.300But as far as anybody coming up through the ranks to become, you know, a world level or Olympic level athlete,
00:16:27.880you basically haven't got a chance because it doesn't, you need to own them firearms to get to that level.
00:16:34.060It's just like you need to be a professional skier.
00:16:37.020You had to start on skis when you were a little, when you were younger and, you know, and move in that direction.
00:16:42.960So if you haven't got the equipment to do it, I don't think, I don't think you'll, you'll ever get to that level.
00:16:49.400And I don't, and if this bill does go through, that's basically going to put the end of Canadian shooting sports in, on, on the world level and, and on the Canadian level too, because, you know, the people that are involved in it right now are, when they're done, they're done.
00:17:04.800And there's nobody, there's nobody to follow up on that stuff.
00:17:07.400And the other part of it too, is, you know, besides the, besides the sport shooting, there's people out there with, with great big collections of firearms that are worth, you know, a lot of money.
00:17:19.320And these people can't leave this stuff to their heirs.
00:17:22.400You know, I know people that have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested into handguns.
00:17:26.800And basically what are they going to do with them now?
00:17:30.340You know, they, they kind of stifles, stifled us a bit when they, when they prohibited a lot of firearms and they grandfathered a few people into, into that.
00:17:38.420But now, now the guns are, what you own is what you got.
00:17:42.580And when you, when you pass away, they, they go back to the state, which definitely isn't right.
00:17:48.600And I don't even know if it, if it's legal, but that's where we're at right now.
00:17:52.580And I just wanted to touch on something else with Bill C20, C21.
00:17:57.500They also mentioned magazine bans that limit everything to five shots.
00:18:03.280Well, they never thought that out very much either because a lot of firearms and you're familiar with, with a lever action firearm that has a tube underneath it.
00:18:12.580That holds seven or eight or nine rounds of ammunition that can't be done on those.
00:18:32.880It reads as though it was drafted by someone who's never actually used a firearm or been around a firearm.
00:18:39.140Well, the order in council, I have no doubt was drafted with the same type of people, a bunch of lawyers and probably some RCMP guys that, you know, aren't, aren't sport shooters or aren't hunters or aren't anything else.
00:18:54.200And they came up with this list and, and then this, this, this, this whole thing, like you say, it's definitely not done by firearms people.
00:19:04.920Well, and I wanted to point out just how undemocratic this bill is because Justin Cho announced that in the fall, I think it was the timeline that he gave in the first place that he would be banning the sales and importation of handguns.
00:19:18.400So that of course, naturally put a run on handguns and ammunition and handgun imports.
00:19:34.900And instead of just letting democracy take its course and accepting the L because he announced the timeline and then naturally people just went out and bought guns.
00:20:20.800I believe it's went through second reading.
00:20:23.080It hasn't it hasn't gone through royal assent.
00:20:26.360So basically, Parliament, Parliament is on their summer break right now.
00:20:31.420But this stuff is happening during summer break, you know, and, you know, you know, Justin Trudeau, Marco Mendocino, definitely handgun salesman of the year.
00:20:53.440I've heard that some imports are still coming in, but that's going to end in a few days.
00:20:59.800You know, it just it's a there's no reasoning behind what they do.
00:21:05.960You know, you know, implementing part of this bill basically during the summer break by some sort of ordering council.
00:21:15.000Well, I don't I don't see I don't see why they're doing it, why they're doing it that way or or there's no there's no reasoning behind it.
00:21:22.920It's just they're they seem to be jumping all over the map with this stuff.
00:21:26.480I think I think part of the problem was that they saw that handgun sales went through the roof and maybe they thought they'd put a lid on that.
00:21:35.980Well, and I guess it all goes back to if it ain't broke, don't fix it, which takes us back to the ordering council.
00:21:44.480If you look at I was pulled up the latest crime statistics this morning and the overall crime rate in Canada has increased by point seven percent between 20 and 2021.
00:21:57.280So since they banned 15 now, probably eighteen hundred models of handguns, violent crime has increased by five point one percent.
00:22:05.740Nonviolent crime declined by two point eight percent.
00:22:08.940So violent crime is up substantially across the country.
00:22:13.280The same problems that plagued Canada's big cities are still plaguing Canada's big cities because instead of focusing on gangs, which is really what this is all about, they focus on the most law abiding people in the country and then say, look what we did.
00:22:29.880We're making we're making everybody safer.
00:22:32.480Well, I mean, if you are a gangster in this country, your best friends are the liberals because they're busy blaming everybody else for your crimes.
00:22:39.900You know, and that that you know, we made that point earlier.
00:22:42.400They're not they're not they're not going to the root of the problem.
00:22:46.280They're they're trying to to go sideways.
00:22:50.080And that that's towards Canadian firearms owners to, you know, to divert divert the divert attention of what's really going on with the Liberal Party of Canada.
00:23:01.620You know, their marriage made in heaven with the NDP and stuff.
00:23:04.680I don't think I don't think that's too stable these days.
00:23:07.400And I think there's a lot of other stuff going on.
00:23:10.820But, you know, I've said I've said this before.
00:23:13.400And, you know, they they turn to two things.
00:23:15.940They turn to to to firearms owners and they turn to discrimination.
00:23:20.500That's what they use every time when they get a little heat on them.
00:23:23.360And I believe that's what's going on right now.
00:23:25.120Yeah, I'm glad you brought up discrimination, because I think that's the last thing on my list that I wanted to talk to you about.
00:23:31.060And I think I'm probably dumping this on you without you being properly prepared for it.
00:23:34.920But Bill C-5 Bill C-5 actually lowers the sentences for violent crimes, particularly a whole slate of firearms and weapons related offenses as a way to combat systemic racism.
00:23:50.620So, again, they continue to let the gangsters off the hook while taking the path of least resistance because liberals are lazy and they go after the most law abiding people because they know we jump through hoops every day just to own a gun.
00:24:05.000And we submit ourselves willingly to an everyday background check that may or may not include our social media postings.
00:24:12.440We'll do all of that just to maintain the use of our private property.
00:24:19.020And yet recidivist gangsters are getting reduced sentences because of systemic racism.
00:24:27.380Yeah. And associating us and associating associating us with racism, which doesn't make any sense at all.
00:24:35.000But you know what? It really it really it really looks good in the in the liberal headlines when they do that stuff.
00:24:40.740But, you know, it just you know, like I said before, it takes the heat off of Justin Trudeau of what's really going on.
00:24:48.500Now, I wanted to give you an opportunity to let people know how they can support the work that the NFA does.
00:24:54.880And through supporting your work, you're also supporting that court case as it winds its way through the court system.
00:25:03.040I think the liberals are probably ragging the puck on a lot of these cases just to make it over the deadline for when the amnesty is over.
00:25:11.040But how do people support the work that the NFA does?
00:25:13.480Well, people can support the NFA. They can they can support us by becoming a member, buying a membership.
00:25:21.020All money, all money. The NFA board of directors, including myself, are all volunteers.
00:25:27.020So we're not we're not a paid board of directors.
00:25:30.160A couple of us get small stipends for for the for some of the extra stuff we do.
00:25:35.140But they can support us by buying a membership.
00:25:37.600The money all directly goes back into into firearms rights.
00:25:42.880We do have I just like to mention that we do have a full time lobbyist in Ottawa.
00:25:47.400His name is Charles Zatch, and he's working all the times in the front lines and behind the scenes,
00:25:52.980lobbying politicians on a daily basis, trying to get some of this stuff changed.
00:25:57.600So the best way to support the NFA is donate, donate to buy a membership or donate to Canada's National Firearms Association.
00:26:05.000And we we appreciate it. And like I say, we're not non for profit organization.
00:26:10.220So donations donations help us keep making sure that you guys are going to keep your firearms.
00:26:17.580Great, Rick. Thanks so much for coming on the show.
00:26:19.460And hopefully we can have you back on again very, very soon.
00:26:23.060I'm a little embarrassed. It took so long to have you on the show.
00:26:26.440Thanks, Sheila. Thanks for having me and have a great day.
00:26:35.000So this is the portion of the show where we invite your viewer comments, your questions, your concerns.
00:26:45.220Unlike the mainstream media, they just want to take your money and never hear from you again.
00:26:50.120We care what our viewers think about the work that we're doing.
00:26:53.720So if you want to send me a viewer comment, you want me to read it on air, it's really easy.
00:26:59.080Just send it to Sheila at rebelnews.com. Put gun show letters in the subject line and I just pick it at random and I'll read it on air.
00:27:08.500And sometimes I head on over to the rumble comments on our stories.
00:27:11.780So do not hesitate to leave a comment on our rumble stories because who knows, I might find it and then read it on air.
00:27:20.760And actually today I take all my comments from our rumble story about my trip to Geneva.
00:27:27.740I just actually got in, well, I guess it would have been this morning at two in the morning, finally made it home.
00:27:36.940But anyway, on our story about my trip all the way to Geneva and back with our lawyer, Sarah Miller.
00:27:44.580She's the lawyer for Pastor Art Poloski also.
00:27:47.360So, so, you know, she cares deeply about civil liberties and we went there to hand deliver a human rights complaint to the Human Rights Council there.
00:27:56.060And it was meticulously drafted complaint by Sarah Miller and it filled an entire three page binder, just the evidence.
00:28:03.700The complaint itself is about 15 pages long, but then all of her supporting evidence for her claims, I would guess 500, maybe a thousand pages.
00:28:13.080I mean, it filled a three, three inch binder full, full.
00:28:16.940So anyway, on our story about my trip to Geneva.
00:28:21.940Zachotic 9 writes, paraphrasing from memory, one of the most important things rebel has ever done.
00:28:29.320If it pans out, it might be the embarrassment Trudeau would feel getting scolded by the UN globalists for human rights violations priceless.
00:28:37.880You never know who these madmen on the Human Rights Council are going to turn on today.
00:28:44.640And a lot of it is to deflect away from their own human rights violations.
00:28:47.920They cycle people on and off the council, but it has been occupied by the likes of Russia, China, sometimes Iran, the world's human rights abusers.
00:28:58.660They end up on these councils, and sometimes the best way to deflect away from the things that they are doing at home is to say, you know what?
00:29:17.200So either we're going to embarrass Justin Trudeau, or we are going to prove to the world that the UN is toothless when it comes to human rights violations, that they really don't care about human rights.
00:29:32.940I think both things, if they come to be, will be a success either way.
00:29:37.100And more importantly, we did something.
00:29:38.840Mitch Kahn writes, so thankful for Sheila and Sarah traveling all the way to Geneva and putting themselves out there on our behalf, not to mention the hard work that evidently went into the meticulously outlined three-inch binder full of stuff.
00:29:54.040You know, like I just said, what else could we do?
00:29:56.520You know, the courts have failed by and large here in Canada.
00:31:24.360But unlike a lot of people out there, I can say that I did something about it.
00:31:28.780And for anybody who donated to cover the cost of our trip there, you can say that you were actively involved in a human rights movement that went all the way to Geneva, Switzerland.
00:31:40.960And we can say that we documented as many of those human rights abuses as we possibly could.
00:31:47.480And, you know, if people want to still continue to donate to cover the cost of our mission there, as Mitch Kan points out, Sarah put a lot of work into her evidence.