Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Rules for Radicals are also for normals

00:00:00.000 What happens when a bunch of climate change skeptics show up to a municipal debate

00:00:03.860 on climate change? Well, hilarity ensues and politicians embarrass themselves and I could

00:00:09.360 not be happier. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 One of the most effective ways to change the way people in charge behave is by making fun

00:00:35.300 of them. That quote is from Tucker Carlson. It's smart and I wish I said it, but I did

00:00:42.000 not. Now, another way to change people's behavior is to hold them to the same standard by which

00:00:49.520 they hold the other side. It's one of the rules for radicals written by Saul Alinsky.

00:00:56.180 But conservatives haven't really been doing that. And conservatives have sort of walked

00:01:01.880 away from municipal politics. For example, the city of Ottawa, a lot of the crackdown before

00:01:08.840 Justin Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act on the peaceful truckers convoy protesting the

00:01:14.320 mandates there. Well, a lot of those civil liberties violations prior to that had come

00:01:20.840 at the hands of the Ottawa municipal government. Now, Ottawa right now is in the middle of

00:01:26.100 a municipal election and climate change skeptics are turning up to hold politicians to account

00:01:33.500 for their multi-billion dollar decision to invoke a climate emergency in Ottawa. It's a decision

00:01:43.400 that could cost every man, woman, child and infant living in the city of Ottawa $60,000. It's

00:01:53.880 insane. But as I said, the people are turning up and asking the politicians to account for their

00:02:00.620 decisions. And the politicians cannot because they have a very shallow misunderstanding of this issue,

00:02:08.000 which is odd because they write off the skeptics as the idiots in this debate. Anyway, I should be

00:02:14.320 quiet because my interview that I'm going to show you is quite long. It's with Tom Harris from the

00:02:19.100 International Climate Science Coalition. He's been going to these municipal debates and he's been

00:02:24.080 filming them. And what you're going to see is quite revealing. Here's my interview with Tom.

00:02:36.840 So joining me now is my friend and good friend of Rebel News and my show, Tom Harris from the

00:02:42.160 International Climate Science Coalition, Canada. And Tom is doing something that I wish more

00:02:47.240 conservatives would do, and that is engaging in local politics because conservatives so often just

00:02:54.000 sort of wash our hands of local politics and we look at the macro issues. We focus on Justin Trudeau

00:03:00.080 without realizing that it might be our local mayor who's costing us even more money before Justin Trudeau

00:03:07.060 even takes his cut. So Tom, tell us, what have you been up to at the local level there in Ottawa?

00:03:14.500 Because boy, you might have one of the crazier city councils in all of Canada, and you've been

00:03:21.520 doing your best to sort of fight back and hold them accountable. Yeah, exactly. Well, we at the

00:03:25.760 International Climate Science Coalition Canada noticed that the city very quietly during the pandemic

00:03:30.940 passed various climate change acts. Okay, this is a city, and the price tag is astonishing. It's 57.4

00:03:39.420 billion dollars for a city of 1 million people. So that works out to almost 60,000 dollars per person.

00:03:46.520 So in the latter half of last year, we put together a report, and we didn't, we're not at first

00:03:51.820 challenging the science because what we're trying to show people is the detrimental impacts of the plan

00:03:57.580 and the fact that it's infeasible. And the hope is, of course, people will look at it and say,

00:04:02.240 man, do we really have to do this? And then, of course, we have another report in the wings ready

00:04:06.720 to come out, which shows, no, you don't have to do it because humans are not causing dangerous

00:04:12.260 climate change. I mean, you know, 1.2 degree rise in the so-called average temperature in the last

00:04:17.900 142 years since 1880 is so small that if we didn't have climatologists and meteorologists,

00:04:24.300 we'd never even notice it. So what happened, though, in Ottawa, you see, is back in 2019,

00:04:30.600 before the lockdowns, there was a declaration of climate emergency.

00:04:36.100 Every time, every time. And once they say that, and they say it's non-binding,

00:04:40.500 and then the big multi-billion dollar program just follows right behind it.

00:04:44.600 Well, that's right. And the reason they did this, of course, was because during the council

00:04:48.160 negotiations about this so-called declaration, they had massive protests of environmental

00:04:53.940 activists outside, and no one on our side was protesting or even, you know, objecting in any

00:04:58.900 way. And so this was passed, and the city instructed city staff to actually go ahead and

00:05:04.900 make a plan. So they made two plans. One is called Energy Evolution. The other is called the

00:05:10.540 Climate Change Master Plan. And in that, believe it or not, the city of Ottawa is going to put up

00:05:16.380 710 industrial wind turbines taller than the Peace Tower. They're going to have 36 square kilometers

00:05:23.240 of solar photovoltaic cells.

00:05:26.040 Where?

00:05:26.840 Yeah. Well, don't put the cells on rooftops. But, you know, if you think about it, that's the

00:05:31.940 equivalent of a square six kilometers on a side. I mean, that's bigger than the experimental farm

00:05:37.580 here in Ottawa. They want to have massive batteries. They want to have huge increases in all kinds of

00:05:43.220 costs. Okay. Typically, we're talking about a 40% rise in property tax just to pay for their climate

00:05:49.600 plan. They want to charge $20 to people every single time they drive into the city. Okay. Every

00:05:55.980 single time. And, you know, the price tag just goes on and on and on. I mean, it is really crazy.

00:06:02.300 So we wrote this report. You know, we sent it to the city. We put out press releases and everything

00:06:06.720 else. And we got zero response. I mean, they did not even answer and say thank you for, you know,

00:06:12.540 except for auto mail, auto responses. They didn't even say thanks. You know, we'll read the report,

00:06:16.680 et cetera. And we were quoting some of the world's leading economists and policy experts. You know,

00:06:22.920 well, some science. There wasn't a lot of science in this particular report. And then most recently,

00:06:27.600 I sent an open letter to the city of Ottawa about three months ago, making sure, look, you know,

00:06:32.700 now that the lockdowns are over, you know, take a look at this. I mean, this is really important.

00:06:37.940 Well, really great thing happened. And that is, there was a group of environmental environmentalists

00:06:44.520 who decided to host climate change meetings and they called it climate justice. Okay. Which is

00:06:51.660 ironic because if you actually increase the cost of electricity by four times, you're hurting the

00:06:56.760 poor more than anyone. Right. Climate justice, where we all pay for the crimes of the rich elites,

00:07:03.380 like Al Gore, who get to fly around and have an enormous household, but it's us, the little guy,

00:07:09.800 we have to pay for those crimes. Yeah, justice. So, so this group is put on four debates. Three

00:07:16.400 have happened so far. I've gone to them all. And, you know, the thing I'm happy to report, Sheila,

00:07:20.660 is that Ottawa ones who are normally, you know, very passive and, you know, a lot of us work for the,

00:07:25.940 for the government, Ottawa ones are actually speaking out. And I wanted to show you some examples of this.

00:07:31.340 And it's really kind of a, a test case to show what citizens can do. And, and in particular,

00:07:38.160 following Alinsky's rules. Okay. So there's one debate coming up. It's September 28th, a week from

00:07:44.260 today, actually, as the day is broadcast. And, um, it's from seven to 9 PM at the Centretown United

00:07:50.760 Church. So we want as many people as possible to come and to support those brave Ottawa ones who are

00:07:57.980 prepared to actually speak out and say something. I mean, I'm one of them, but I've been quite

00:08:01.540 impressed to see at the first three debates, and I have some samples of video from these debates

00:08:06.900 showing how brave citizens can make a difference. And they can, in one case, drop an atom bomb

00:08:13.440 on the whole debate if they ask the right question. And I'll show you that atom bomb question. It's,

00:08:18.820 it's pretty awesome. So we, we actually have to look at who's sponsoring, who's running this.

00:08:23.900 Okay. It's, it's a list of generally left-wing groups. It includes groups like Ecology Ottawa

00:08:29.100 and, uh, you know, other pro climate change groups. It's a little bit like having the referees in a

00:08:35.880 hockey game actually on one of the teams, you know, whether, and, and there's already censorship going

00:08:42.620 on and we'll get onto that, but here's what's going on. Um, this is the first question of a very brave

00:08:49.180 Ottawa. And I'd like you to hear it because it shows, you know, average people can get up and

00:08:55.160 make us make a noise and make a sound. And so far, you know, typically they'll have eight or nine

00:09:00.280 questions from the audience. In each case, you're only allowed 45 seconds and you're not allowed to

00:09:05.820 ever come back with anything, even if they change the topic, which is a bit of a problem, but here's a

00:09:11.380 brave Ottawa and I'll just play it for you for fun.

00:09:14.240 I'm, I'm very concerned having just come out of the, the, uh, COVID emergency about the new

00:09:24.260 emergency, the environmental emergency. And I just like to know how we came to this conclusion that

00:09:32.660 we're in a state of emergency when, as far as I understand, the, uh, global warming has only gone up by

00:09:43.200 less than two degrees in the last many, many years. I also am wondering how council thinks that

00:09:52.420 Ottowans are going to pay for this new initiative, given that the cost of living has gone up eight

00:10:00.180 percent in the last year. Yeah. Now that's, that's a very good question. And it really put them on the

00:10:06.540 hot seat because right away, somebody is asking questions. They don't want asked, of course,

00:10:11.320 they don't want people talking about the cost. We have to save the world, you know, to hell with

00:10:15.440 the cost. But what we're finding is that, um, Ottowans are speaking out. Okay. So this is really

00:10:21.320 good. And you know what they're doing either indirectly or directly, I don't know, is they're

00:10:27.040 actually using something called Alinsky's rules. So what's important to understand is that how did the

00:10:33.280 left take over our institutions? Okay. The, the, the, what's it called? The long march through the

00:10:38.700 institutions where progressives, as they call themselves really regressives, uh, the left have

00:10:44.200 actually taken over our academia, you know, our corporations, our government, our media and churches,

00:10:49.520 it just goes on and on and on. Well, to a certain extent, their Bible has been Saul Alinsky's rules

00:10:55.660 for radicals. And what we're seeing in the Ottawa events actually is the various questioners are using

00:11:03.000 various Saul Alinsky rules. And I don't think they know it, but they are, and it's very effective.

00:11:08.100 And I want to go through some of his rules with you and then give you samples of where they're

00:11:13.360 actually following them, because this is something conservatives must do. Okay. I'm astounded. I've

00:11:18.900 asked various conservatives, have you read Saul, Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals? Cause this is,

00:11:24.000 this is how they took over. And to tell you the truth until about a month ago, I hadn't read it either.

00:11:28.720 I mean, I'd read about it, but I'd never read it. And in the last month I've read it and understood,

00:11:34.580 wow, this is a very powerful document. No wonder they took over our institutions because it's

00:11:41.160 brilliant. It really is brilliant. Now at the time Saul Alinsky wrote this book, the left were on the

00:11:46.780 outside looking in. Okay. Conservatives were in charge and he was talking about people who are

00:11:51.880 disenfranchised, like what you can do to actually start to get inside. Well, now the circumstances

00:11:57.820 reversed, the conservatives are on the outside and the left are on the inside. So his rules,

00:12:02.560 while he probably roll over in his grave, knowing that we're using them against him.

00:12:07.220 What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as they say.

00:12:10.500 Yeah, exactly. So I'm going to go through some of his rules just for fun. You know, one of them

00:12:15.100 is specifically about ridicule. Okay. Saying that man's most potent weapon is ridicule. It actually

00:12:22.680 irritates your opponents so much that in fact they become irrational. And of course, Alinsky said,

00:12:29.800 the enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your greatest strength. Okay.

00:12:36.840 That's what he says. I'm just reading it off the screen. So I'd like to show you a sample of that.

00:12:41.200 But before I do, this next sample actually uses two of Alinsky's rules. That rule, okay,

00:12:47.920 ridiculing them. You'll laugh when you hear the question. And the next one is to personalize your

00:12:54.440 target. You know, what Alinsky said is people hurt faster than institutions. Okay. If you attack the

00:13:01.520 government, the city of Ottawa, I mean, that doesn't really, you know, who's responsible for that? It's

00:13:06.300 like a conglomerate of people. So this next question actually is beautiful because it attacks

00:13:12.700 an individual. That is Catherine McKinney, who's the leading candidate for mayor, unfortunately.

00:13:18.900 Is she really?

00:13:20.080 Yeah, I'm sad to say. According to Lowell Green, he's been looking at the polls. He says that,

00:13:24.520 yes, she is the leading candidate. And she's by far the most extreme. She actually-

00:13:29.580 How could it get worse than Jim Watson? But it is. It is.

00:13:32.980 Yes. She was the one who pushed the fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty, you know,

00:13:39.160 treating fossil fuels as if it's like nuclear weapons. Now, the next question I'm going to show

00:13:45.140 you, it's doubly interesting because I think the organizers knew it was very effective. It targeted

00:13:51.260 a person and it was on ridicule because guess what, Sheila? When Rogers TV put up the video on the

00:13:58.220 internet, unlike the first two debates where they showed it all, they took out the two most powerful

00:14:03.760 questions. You can see this lady coming to the microphone all ready to ask her question, then

00:14:08.840 it's suddenly the next person.

00:14:10.720 Wow.

00:14:11.240 You know, so they took this question out. So we had somebody in the audience, actually,

00:14:15.440 a friend of mine who was videotaping the whole thing, and he sent it to me later. He said,

00:14:19.440 Oh, look, they took her question out. Well, I'm going to show you what the powers that be,

00:14:25.160 whether it's just Rogers or the city or working together, I expect, they did not want people to

00:14:30.840 see this question. And for good reason, not only was it a great question, but also because the answer

00:14:36.320 is very, very revealing. So here we go.

00:14:39.340 So please, your question.

00:14:42.960 My question is for Catherine Mark, if you'd like to get out at A. When it was brought up

00:14:48.980 in debate number one, that Texas's reliance on wind power led to 700 deaths when wind failed

00:14:55.240 before the pool hit on here. Catherine said, referring to energy evolution, the change is

00:15:01.520 on for Catherine.

00:15:03.320 Yeah, it's on. Thank you.

00:15:04.560 Yes, I do support energy evolution. I did. I did vote for it. It is a plan that gives us

00:15:13.080 39 actions that will reduce greenhouse gases and give us 20 for future. So I did. Do I think

00:15:22.460 that every, every one of those 39 actions will be, you know, what we know today compared to

00:15:29.360 what we know, you know, by 2040 and 2050, that this will change.

00:15:37.880 Ah, now, isn't that interesting? She really pinned her down. She said, you said that wind did not play

00:15:45.880 a major role. But, and she said, you know, instead solar was more, well, no, she pointed out that is

00:15:52.140 deceptive and wrong. It's deceptive because Catherine said in the previous debate that, and no, they're going to

00:15:59.040 have district energy. Well, of course, that's just the way we're distributing it. That doesn't narrow

00:16:03.400 down the source at all. And she nailed her point blank showing that what she said was wrong. So

00:16:08.320 once again, Catherine is trying to divert. She's avoiding the question. She's, and it's, it's

00:16:13.700 beautiful because I think people in the audience start to scratch their head and say, what's going

00:16:17.840 on here? You know, like she approved the plan that has as its major component, one of the top major

00:16:23.240 components, wind power, which she now says, oh, well, it's not really that important.

00:16:29.200 So what we saw there was actually two of Alinsky's rules being used very effectively. One was ridicule.

00:16:35.320 Did you vote for the plan without reading it first? I mean, that is a beautiful question.

00:16:40.140 And the second part was personalizing it, attacking an individual. Catherine McKinney,

00:16:45.440 you know, what are you doing? It contradicts totally what you're saying. But, you know, the next one is,

00:16:50.100 is by a fellow who's obviously a very good speaker and I'll just let it speak for itself.

00:16:54.500 Okay. So here we go. And we're getting, and also I should point out the reason the video quality is

00:16:58.460 so low with this one as well is because this was censored out by Rogers. That first one that I showed

00:17:05.600 you, which was pretty fuzzy, it was censored out. And so was this one. So out of eight questions that

00:17:10.340 were allowed, Rogers took the two questions, which specifically showed the city didn't know what

00:17:16.360 the heck they were doing. So here we go.

00:17:18.640 Next question, please.

00:17:22.120 Hi. $57.4 billion. In the first debate, I pointed out that Ottawa, if it reduced its emissions to net zero,

00:17:33.780 would only affect the global temperature by one ten thousandth of a degree Celsius.

00:17:39.000 And the response I was given was that it's important because Ottawa would be in the world.

00:17:45.240 And we're expected to believe that the world is going to follow up on the road.

00:17:49.560 China, the world's largest equator, twice that of the USA, has made it crystal clear that they're

00:17:55.060 not slowing down. They're not following the bottom road. They're actually massively increasing,

00:18:01.040 for example, consumption. So essentially, no one of magnitude is following this.

00:18:07.420 Why is Ottawa expected to pay billions and billions and billions of dollars in expenditures

00:18:13.360 for statistically zero?

00:18:16.660 Your question is directed to

00:18:18.740 Okay.

00:18:26.420 And it ain't for Kenny.

00:18:27.660 Thank you. I guess I'll give the same response. I do believe that we have to take action on climate.

00:18:33.580 I do believe that we have to mitigate against the change in our climate. We have to find ways of

00:18:39.520 adapting. And I support the plan that has been developed by expertise. We've got to protect

00:18:47.240 our environment, nature, for us, for our children moving forward. So thank you for your question.

00:18:53.200 You know, it shows how clueless they are. The answer is, we have to do something,

00:19:00.720 even if it amounts to nothing, no matter the cost.

00:19:04.480 Yeah, exactly. And she totally ignores the point that nobody of magnitude is following Ottawa. I mean,

00:19:09.880 China, which is double the US is not following Ottawa. Now, it's interesting. One advantage of this

00:19:15.400 question was it opened up

00:19:17.580 one of the topics that

00:19:19.420 I'm sure Mark McGuire,

00:19:21.480 who was the only sort of rational person

00:19:23.200 on the whole panel with respect

00:19:25.280 to climate change, it gave him the license,

00:19:27.440 so to speak, to give a really

00:19:29.400 good message. So, I mean,

00:19:30.980 when you're asking questions, you know, and in this

00:19:33.380 case, you're allowed to ask three people.

00:19:35.460 Obviously, you ask McKinney because she's a

00:19:37.420 current member of the council and she voted

00:19:39.280 for these insane plans. And we're trying to

00:19:41.320 reveal that as truly insane.

00:19:43.120 But you want to vote, you want to actually ask

00:19:45.640 the other two questions or to the other

00:19:47.480 two people who you know will

00:19:49.480 support your point of view and criticize

00:19:51.200 McKinney. And it's interesting that,

00:19:52.980 you know, the black fellow,

00:19:54.820 Dad Adi, I guess his name is,

00:19:56.580 he's been very critical of Catherine

00:19:58.160 McKinney for saying one thing and then

00:20:00.060 saying something totally different.

00:20:01.940 So, what you have to do then is choose your

00:20:04.040 answerers, the people that you want

00:20:06.220 to answer. You don't choose someone who's one of

00:20:07.880 her allies. You choose somebody who'll say

00:20:09.720 something different. Dr. Cadre is a

00:20:12.080 professor at Ottawa U. He's also a candidate.

00:20:15.200 And I put in his answer because it is so

00:20:17.140 ludicrous, you can hardly believe it.

00:20:19.480 And you can see then, and anybody watching

00:20:21.460 this would know, so you can see why Rogers

00:20:24.040 took it out. I'm pretty sure, I mean, I don't

00:20:26.600 know for sure, but the organizers almost

00:20:28.340 certainly contacted Rogers and said, please

00:20:30.560 take that out. Don't show the question

00:20:32.400 because it shows them as being either

00:20:34.660 morons or dishonest.

00:20:36.120 OK, so it's quite shocking,

00:20:38.900 actually, for the average citizen

00:20:41.000 to be relying on Rogers

00:20:43.100 to say, well, I couldn't do I couldn't go

00:20:45.160 to the debate in person,

00:20:46.780 but I'd like to see the debate

00:20:49.160 because I want to make up my mind.

00:20:51.320 And Rogers is selectively

00:20:53.220 editing to make sure that

00:20:55.140 their preferred candidates or at least the

00:20:56.900 candidates that align with their ideological

00:20:58.620 view on global warming.

00:21:00.260 They aren't made to look like complete and

00:21:02.180 total idiots on the issue.

00:21:03.440 It's so dishonest and it's

00:21:06.560 so undemocratic.

00:21:08.580 They are publishing

00:21:09.860 propaganda, the likes of which

00:21:12.760 we would see in places like Venezuela

00:21:14.700 where they're trying to prop up the regime.

00:21:17.060 Yeah, and I wonder for a community

00:21:18.820 TV station under CRTC

00:21:20.760 rules, are they allowed

00:21:22.640 to take sides in elections?

00:21:25.240 And, you know, they're covering debates,

00:21:26.800 lots of debates for all the different wards.

00:21:28.840 How do we know those aren't being censored

00:21:30.440 too? I mean, we know for

00:21:32.200 for a fact they censored out the two most

00:21:34.220 probing and important questions

00:21:35.740 in the whole debate.

00:21:37.520 So, I mean, maybe they're doing

00:21:38.500 this all over the board.

00:21:39.640 So I don't even know if they're allowed to

00:21:41.200 by by CRTC rules.

00:21:43.260 But let's listen to Professor Cadre.

00:21:45.480 And again, this was censored out

00:21:46.900 and it sounds so ludicrous.

00:21:49.060 Remember, he's asking,

00:21:50.520 why should Ottawa spend billions and billions

00:21:52.280 and billions of dollars

00:21:53.200 when nobody's following us?

00:21:55.000 China's not going to follow Ottawa.

00:21:56.780 Well, I like Dr. Cadre,

00:21:58.420 but listen to what he said.

00:21:59.540 It's just so crazy.

00:22:01.560 I think that was my answer

00:22:03.400 that Ottawa will be in the booth.

00:22:06.460 There's a couple of 7

00:22:07.520 in the Channel of the Shakey

00:22:09.000 and the company, remember?

00:22:11.820 And there will be a lot of people

00:22:14.180 from around the booth

00:22:15.060 that are going to be there.

00:22:16.380 I think the whole group

00:22:17.920 is that my change is serious.

00:22:22.060 And what?

00:22:23.860 Did you hear the fellow

00:22:26.280 in the background yell out,

00:22:27.820 not going to happen?

00:22:30.780 Well, of course,

00:22:31.660 Rogers doesn't want that

00:22:33.100 because it is so ludicrous.

00:22:34.880 I mean, China has said point blank.

00:22:36.360 I mean, their negotiator

00:22:37.400 was was confronted

00:22:38.780 in the Peru Cup in 2014.

00:22:41.300 And they asked him

00:22:42.360 if they were going to lead

00:22:44.540 a change to the United Nations

00:22:46.380 Framework Convention

00:22:47.300 on Climate Change,

00:22:48.060 which underlies the Paris Agreement,

00:22:49.820 which gives them

00:22:50.700 a permanent out clause.

00:22:52.200 OK, because they're still

00:22:53.340 considered a developing nation,

00:22:54.660 says their first and overriding priority

00:22:56.520 is poverty alleviation development.

00:22:58.080 So they can say,

00:22:59.280 forget about any targets.

00:23:00.840 You know, we're just following

00:23:01.940 the Framework Convention.

00:23:03.340 Anyway, the the negotiator

00:23:05.080 said to the person who asked,

00:23:07.140 he said,

00:23:07.700 the purpose of the Paris Agreement

00:23:09.660 is to enforce

00:23:11.000 the Framework Convention,

00:23:12.380 not to change it.

00:23:15.020 So they know

00:23:15.960 they have a sweetheart deal,

00:23:17.460 you know, and so Cadre,

00:23:19.120 and sadly, I mean, as I say,

00:23:20.460 I do like him as a person,

00:23:21.540 but he's completely naive

00:23:23.640 thinking China is going

00:23:24.940 to follow Ottawa.

00:23:26.320 I mean, come on.

00:23:28.400 Yeah.

00:23:28.620 Could you imagine?

00:23:29.860 You're like the

00:23:30.380 there's almost a level

00:23:31.860 of narcissism

00:23:32.980 in all of this

00:23:34.180 to think that

00:23:35.220 by taxing

00:23:36.900 each and every

00:23:37.760 living, breathing

00:23:38.660 Ottawa

00:23:39.140 to the tune of

00:23:40.680 sixty thousand dollars

00:23:41.960 to pay for this

00:23:43.260 absolutely

00:23:44.620 inconsequential plan,

00:23:46.820 the

00:23:47.280 cosmopolitan nations

00:23:49.480 around the world

00:23:50.120 and the more authoritarian ones

00:23:51.940 will look and say,

00:23:53.040 you know what?

00:23:54.540 Let's follow Ottawa.

00:23:55.880 They're really doing

00:23:56.500 something good over there.

00:23:58.220 It's narcissistic

00:23:59.460 to think that way.

00:24:00.580 But here we are.

00:24:02.040 Yeah, they'll say,

00:24:02.740 oh, and

00:24:03.360 is what's Ottawa?

00:24:05.440 Is that what are they doing?

00:24:06.820 Yeah, is that kind of

00:24:07.700 bread or something?

00:24:09.320 I don't know what it is.

00:24:11.080 But anyway,

00:24:12.560 I want to go through

00:24:13.800 a couple more of the rules.

00:24:14.940 One of them, obviously,

00:24:15.920 rule number one

00:24:16.680 is a very important one.

00:24:17.860 And that is when

00:24:19.020 your organization is small,

00:24:20.940 you have to make it dim.

00:24:22.400 You have to make

00:24:22.980 a lot of noise

00:24:23.780 and you have to make it

00:24:24.760 look like you have

00:24:25.900 more people than you do.

00:24:27.120 That's an important rule.

00:24:29.460 There's two things here

00:24:30.560 and this will lead

00:24:31.020 to my next video.

00:24:32.440 If you have to make sure

00:24:33.900 that you keep within

00:24:35.060 the knowledge

00:24:35.920 of your participants,

00:24:37.960 OK,

00:24:38.140 if you're organizing people

00:24:39.380 or if you're a person

00:24:40.400 going to the microphone,

00:24:41.340 it's not a good idea

00:24:42.300 to bring up topics

00:24:43.080 that you don't know

00:24:43.660 anything about, OK?

00:24:44.840 Because if you're quizzed,

00:24:45.800 you're not going

00:24:46.280 to have any answers.

00:24:47.040 So you have to stay

00:24:47.780 within your particular

00:24:49.240 knowledge base.

00:24:51.000 But one thing,

00:24:52.020 and actually,

00:24:52.340 I'll show you a fellow

00:24:53.060 doing that right now.

00:24:54.120 OK, here we go.

00:24:55.060 This speaks for itself,

00:24:56.260 actually.

00:24:56.680 It's very good.

00:24:57.240 This guy's obviously

00:24:58.040 a super expert

00:24:58.840 and we'll see what they say.

00:25:00.920 I've been following

00:25:06.500 the implementation

00:25:07.580 of the testing

00:25:08.400 of the new buses

00:25:09.140 that are coming in,

00:25:09.960 the electric buses.

00:25:11.340 There's probably five

00:25:12.340 or six that are there

00:25:13.400 at the moment.

00:25:15.380 The auditor,

00:25:16.660 I think your city auditor

00:25:18.140 questioned

00:25:19.040 where they stand

00:25:20.280 in that project,

00:25:21.300 which means to me

00:25:22.220 they're rushing.

00:25:23.320 The city's rushing

00:25:24.200 to implement

00:25:24.980 and buy more buses

00:25:25.900 and they've not done

00:25:26.740 proper both testing,

00:25:28.340 especially in cold weather,

00:25:30.280 nor have they done

00:25:30.920 proper validation

00:25:32.160 or piloting.

00:25:34.160 Why is the city rushing?

00:25:36.000 And the second is,

00:25:37.360 if you're a mayor,

00:25:38.420 how are you going

00:25:39.040 to make sure

00:25:39.580 that people follow

00:25:40.300 best practices,

00:25:41.540 project planning,

00:25:42.460 implementation?

00:25:43.000 Yeah, that's a good question

00:25:46.200 because he shows

00:25:47.900 he has the expertise.

00:25:49.420 He's staying

00:25:50.080 within his own area

00:25:51.720 of expertise.

00:25:52.900 And of course,

00:25:53.300 the council virtually

00:25:54.200 have no expertise.

00:25:55.600 The committee have,

00:25:56.560 you know,

00:25:56.700 the candidates

00:25:57.260 have virtually no expertise

00:25:58.340 except perhaps

00:25:59.240 Mark McGuire.

00:26:00.040 And at this point,

00:26:01.020 I would say

00:26:01.760 he's a candidate

00:26:02.920 we should watch

00:26:03.680 because he's saying

00:26:04.520 some smart things.

00:26:05.800 Here's what McGuire says.

00:26:07.940 It's the question of,

00:26:09.640 I'd like to see

00:26:10.440 the cost benefit analysis

00:26:11.660 because the electric buses

00:26:12.780 are extremely expensive

00:26:14.340 and we can't just

00:26:16.000 front end load

00:26:16.700 all of these

00:26:17.160 and say we're saving

00:26:17.880 the world

00:26:18.260 because we're using

00:26:19.060 less energy

00:26:19.660 after it's in service.

00:26:21.000 We have to look

00:26:21.620 at the costs

00:26:22.140 of putting it in service

00:26:23.060 and then when it's done,

00:26:25.060 what are the costs

00:26:25.680 of mitigating,

00:26:26.820 removing all of those

00:26:27.800 toxic compounds

00:26:28.680 that made up the electric bus

00:26:29.880 in the first place?

00:26:31.720 Yeah, so that's great

00:26:33.320 because once again,

00:26:34.740 it gives McGuire

00:26:35.540 an opportunity

00:26:36.180 to make some good points

00:26:37.380 that he probably

00:26:37.980 wouldn't have had time

00:26:38.920 to otherwise.

00:26:40.160 I'll just give you

00:26:40.740 one more thing

00:26:41.660 question here.

00:26:42.780 Yeah, this is

00:26:43.260 an interesting one

00:26:44.300 and this actually,

00:26:45.940 it focuses on

00:26:47.380 some of the emotional content.

00:26:48.640 I'm not sure

00:26:49.040 if that's one

00:26:49.520 of Alinsky's rules

00:26:50.440 but you'll hear

00:26:51.620 what she says

00:26:52.300 and she's talking

00:26:53.200 about wind turbines

00:26:54.060 and birds

00:26:54.680 and that sort of thing.

00:26:57.460 Oh, sorry.

00:26:58.000 This is Padre answering.

00:27:00.440 I was interested in

00:27:01.900 management

00:27:02.280 so I teach

00:27:02.880 in the executive MBA

00:27:03.800 and talk about this

00:27:07.000 whenever it comes

00:27:07.960 to extreme projects

00:27:09.020 and mega projects

00:27:09.900 that the Big Bang

00:27:12.040 approach doesn't work.

00:27:13.620 We need to have

00:27:14.720 different types

00:27:15.640 solutions,

00:27:16.460 either phased-in solutions

00:27:18.320 or pilot projects

00:27:20.480 and I believe

00:27:21.860 that the city

00:27:22.460 of Ottawa

00:27:22.940 we are not

00:27:25.320 doing this well.

00:27:26.120 And so he goes

00:27:30.580 on to explain.

00:27:31.560 I won't play it all

00:27:32.260 and I wanted

00:27:33.200 to skip over

00:27:33.820 to one question

00:27:34.620 that I think

00:27:36.220 is really important

00:27:37.040 for people to see

00:27:37.840 and that's what

00:27:38.400 I will call

00:27:39.260 the atom bomb

00:27:40.200 question, okay?

00:27:41.240 I'm just going to

00:27:41.900 go to the side here

00:27:42.720 and make sure

00:27:43.120 I get the right one.

00:27:44.040 Let's see.

00:27:48.120 Okay, this is

00:27:49.360 rule number four.

00:27:51.040 Alinsky says

00:27:51.780 you have to make

00:27:52.500 your opponents

00:27:53.120 live up to their

00:27:54.020 own book of rules.

00:27:55.640 Now this is really

00:27:56.420 important because

00:27:56.980 the city keeps

00:27:57.580 talking about

00:27:58.180 climate justice.

00:27:59.580 You know,

00:27:59.780 we can't leave

00:28:00.420 anyone behind.

00:28:01.440 We have to,

00:28:01.940 you know,

00:28:02.300 look after the poor

00:28:03.260 and the disadvantaged

00:28:04.180 and all that sort of thing.

00:28:05.780 And so this question

00:28:06.740 actually is a really

00:28:07.680 good one because

00:28:08.340 it's holding them

00:28:09.040 to account for,

00:28:11.420 well, you'll hear,

00:28:12.580 here we go.

00:28:13.320 The city of Ottawa

00:28:15.520 plans to back up

00:28:17.740 its wind and solar

00:28:18.760 power using a huge

00:28:20.820 amount of batteries.

00:28:22.640 But we all know

00:28:24.000 batteries are made

00:28:25.560 using cobalt

00:28:27.260 mined by children,

00:28:30.820 40,000 to 100,000

00:28:33.540 children in the Congo.

00:28:36.080 This is destructive.

00:28:39.480 The cobalt is then

00:28:40.880 shipped in China.

00:28:43.320 Again,

00:28:45.660 disrupting human rights.

00:28:48.500 The price tag

00:28:49.780 is very hefty.

00:28:51.940 I'm a mother,

00:28:53.080 I'm a grandmother,

00:28:54.700 and I do not want

00:28:56.100 to pay that price.

00:28:58.940 Is Ottawa ready

00:29:00.440 to support this?

00:29:02.520 Now that's a beautiful

00:29:03.580 question.

00:29:04.200 The way she delivered it,

00:29:05.280 the way she personalized it,

00:29:07.160 you know,

00:29:07.380 she tugs on people's emotions,

00:29:08.900 she holds them to account

00:29:10.460 for their own rule book.

00:29:12.000 You know,

00:29:12.200 you're talking about

00:29:12.880 justice, you know,

00:29:14.240 what kind of justice

00:29:15.040 is this?

00:29:15.860 And I wanted to show you

00:29:16.820 one little clip that my

00:29:17.940 daughter took from the

00:29:18.740 back of the room.

00:29:19.740 The person that you see

00:29:20.980 lean forward and suddenly

00:29:22.540 be very interested in this

00:29:24.320 question,

00:29:25.300 I spoke to him later

00:29:26.260 and he's a direct advisor

00:29:27.440 to the mayor on

00:29:28.460 climate policy.

00:29:29.860 So just watch this.

00:29:31.160 You can see the body

00:29:32.100 language,

00:29:33.040 okay?

00:29:33.580 And this is important

00:29:34.240 to notice when we actually

00:29:35.080 get to McKinney's response

00:29:36.140 to this.

00:29:36.540 You can see she's

00:29:37.200 totally unprepared.

00:29:38.700 She's very uncomfortable.

00:29:40.200 She'd rather the question

00:29:41.160 were never asked.

00:29:42.040 It's way outside her

00:29:43.220 knowledge base.

00:29:45.320 And of course,

00:29:46.760 this is the reason that,

00:29:48.360 you know,

00:29:48.540 they don't want you to see

00:29:49.500 this sort of thing.

00:29:50.200 But anyway,

00:29:50.620 let's watch the body

00:29:52.160 language.

00:29:52.600 You'll notice the fellow

00:29:53.520 lean forward and you can

00:29:55.120 see they're paying

00:29:55.760 attention.

00:29:57.800 I'm not going to lie.

00:29:58.960 I don't know what to

00:29:59.700 tell you.

00:30:01.660 We want to shift from

00:30:03.120 gas-powered vehicles

00:30:04.940 to electric vehicles

00:30:06.520 and those are

00:30:07.600 battery-operated.

00:30:11.440 I'm on your side

00:30:12.600 when it comes to

00:30:13.700 using children

00:30:15.800 to mine cobalt.

00:30:17.360 But there are

00:30:18.120 innovative ways

00:30:19.060 out there right now

00:30:20.240 that is being looked at

00:30:21.380 in other forms of energy,

00:30:23.560 other sources of

00:30:24.480 types of batteries.

00:30:26.220 But we're still

00:30:27.400 far away from that.

00:30:29.260 So, you know,

00:30:30.240 it's a...

00:30:31.480 What do we do?

00:30:36.360 I don't have the answer

00:30:37.380 and I don't want...

00:30:38.580 I'm not going to give you

00:30:39.600 false hope by giving you

00:30:40.720 an answer that would be

00:30:41.920 not responsible on my part.

00:30:44.520 So, this is something

00:30:45.740 that's going to have to be

00:30:46.640 looked at

00:30:47.120 and we're going to have

00:30:48.380 to come up with

00:30:48.980 better solutions

00:30:49.900 and look at new

00:30:51.220 innovative ways

00:30:52.020 and we have to look

00:30:53.340 outside the box.

00:30:54.440 Look in the States,

00:30:55.500 look in Canada,

00:30:56.720 what kind of new

00:30:57.440 sources of energies

00:30:58.260 that's out there

00:30:59.020 and see what we can do

00:31:00.560 to not use

00:31:01.960 those types of batteries

00:31:02.900 or not use...

00:31:04.020 We do that with coffee,

00:31:05.600 right?

00:31:06.460 Locally sourced

00:31:07.320 or sourced.

00:31:09.780 They have it on the packaging.

00:31:11.240 Anyways,

00:31:11.540 I'm going off topic here.

00:31:12.960 So,

00:31:13.420 I can't give you an answer

00:31:15.240 that I feel comfortable with.

00:31:17.040 So, that's something

00:31:17.700 we're going to have to look at

00:31:18.580 as a society

00:31:19.320 to make a decision on that.

00:31:23.120 Well,

00:31:23.760 Roy,

00:31:24.200 he's caught flat footed, eh?

00:31:25.580 Oh,

00:31:26.320 you know,

00:31:27.280 at first he starts off

00:31:28.480 by saying something akin to

00:31:30.040 and I'm paraphrasing here.

00:31:31.980 Well,

00:31:32.420 you know,

00:31:33.160 that's,

00:31:33.820 I hear you,

00:31:34.720 like those kids

00:31:35.380 are just the cost

00:31:36.280 of going green

00:31:37.220 and then he acknowledges

00:31:38.960 that,

00:31:39.900 you know,

00:31:40.100 there's a problem here

00:31:41.080 and it's something

00:31:42.040 that they have to look at

00:31:43.120 in the future.

00:31:44.980 The problem is

00:31:45.820 these people want to go

00:31:46.960 green right now.

00:31:47.860 So,

00:31:48.020 they're not saying

00:31:48.520 let's put off this

00:31:49.540 expensive plan

00:31:51.300 until we can do it

00:31:52.600 in a more moral fashion.

00:31:54.620 Nope,

00:31:54.920 they want to go green

00:31:55.980 right now

00:31:56.740 and what,

00:31:57.820 the kids today,

00:31:58.840 that's okay

00:31:59.360 because we'll figure this out

00:32:00.800 for the kids tomorrow.

00:32:02.380 That's atrocious,

00:32:03.700 actually.

00:32:04.540 That's pretty,

00:32:05.560 pretty,

00:32:06.180 pretty ghoulish,

00:32:08.660 actually,

00:32:09.220 that,

00:32:09.620 you know,

00:32:09.820 the kids today,

00:32:10.680 those are the costs

00:32:11.340 of figuring it out

00:32:12.060 to make life easier

00:32:13.180 for the kids tomorrow

00:32:14.200 and then he goes into,

00:32:16.100 well,

00:32:16.220 maybe we should consider

00:32:17.220 fair trade labeling.

00:32:18.440 Yeah,

00:32:18.880 I would agree with that.

00:32:20.000 Let's slap the sticker

00:32:21.100 on the pump in Ottawa

00:32:22.280 and show

00:32:23.740 where that gas is from.

00:32:26.040 Is it conflict gas

00:32:27.400 or is it freedom gas

00:32:28.800 from Alberta?

00:32:29.960 I would agree

00:32:30.520 with him on that.

00:32:31.480 He just would rather

00:32:32.520 do it for an electric

00:32:33.520 car battery

00:32:34.320 that doesn't work

00:32:35.860 and I would rather

00:32:36.800 do it for gasoline

00:32:38.200 in the tank.

00:32:39.280 Yeah,

00:32:39.660 yeah.

00:32:40.140 Well,

00:32:40.320 the next person answering

00:32:41.460 is a black fellow

00:32:42.700 and I think it's a good strategy

00:32:44.900 to have that question

00:32:45.980 asked to a black person

00:32:47.040 since,

00:32:47.540 of course,

00:32:47.740 it's the black children

00:32:48.640 that are working

00:32:49.220 in the mines.

00:32:49.780 I won't play

00:32:50.680 his whole response

00:32:51.700 but I'll play part of it,

00:32:52.640 okay,

00:32:52.800 just so you can see

00:32:53.640 and yeah,

00:32:55.060 it's an opportunity again

00:32:56.280 for them to say

00:32:57.080 the city is wrong.

00:32:59.200 That's a good,

00:33:00.280 it's a good question

00:33:00.900 but not an easy,

00:33:01.760 not an easy solution.

00:33:04.020 I'll say this,

00:33:05.560 I don't believe

00:33:07.420 and for too often

00:33:08.900 the city of Ottawa

00:33:09.680 has sort of ceded

00:33:10.620 our environmental duties

00:33:13.100 to the province

00:33:14.660 so when the province

00:33:15.620 mandates something

00:33:16.360 they say,

00:33:16.980 well,

00:33:17.200 we've got no choice.

00:33:18.060 No,

00:33:18.640 not under my mayorship,

00:33:19.780 we have a duty

00:33:22.940 to our constituents

00:33:24.680 and one of the things

00:33:26.700 I'd like to see

00:33:27.560 is something

00:33:28.860 what you would call

00:33:29.700 a balanced scorecard analysis

00:33:31.680 before we implement

00:33:33.200 certain windmill developments

00:33:34.920 and one of that

00:33:36.500 aspect of that

00:33:38.040 is where do the components

00:33:39.200 come from?

00:33:40.500 How were they made?

00:33:42.260 It could be

00:33:43.140 that certain projects

00:33:44.480 cannot go ahead

00:33:45.420 because child labor

00:33:47.000 was involved.

00:33:48.300 Yeah,

00:33:48.480 so I mean

00:33:49.860 that's great

00:33:50.420 he's saying that

00:33:51.060 now the last one

00:33:51.860 I want to show you

00:33:52.560 sorry just before

00:33:53.420 we move on from that

00:33:54.200 I noticed

00:33:54.600 I'm just like

00:33:56.200 the hypocrisy

00:33:57.320 laser beam today

00:33:58.160 he says

00:33:59.060 you know

00:33:59.280 we have a duty

00:33:59.900 to constituents

00:34:00.840 then okay great

00:34:01.920 I agree with that

00:34:02.700 Ottawa first

00:34:03.480 why are you pushing

00:34:04.640 this thing

00:34:05.900 that speaks

00:34:06.520 to your obligation

00:34:07.240 to the entire world?

00:34:08.300 yeah

00:34:09.360 and don't work

00:34:10.440 in cold weather

00:34:11.480 and all kinds

00:34:12.060 of problems

00:34:12.620 you know

00:34:13.340 like the whole thing

00:34:14.340 is nuts

00:34:15.000 now

00:34:15.520 the last video

00:34:16.560 I wanted to show

00:34:17.080 is especially

00:34:17.620 important

00:34:18.660 because this is

00:34:19.760 Catherine McKinney

00:34:20.600 and she as I say

00:34:21.800 is the leader

00:34:22.560 in the debate

00:34:23.200 right now

00:34:23.700 unfortunately

00:34:24.140 in the whole

00:34:25.180 and I think

00:34:26.100 she's probably

00:34:26.660 the most radical

00:34:27.760 yes exactly

00:34:29.020 and you can tell

00:34:29.880 by her body language

00:34:31.020 and this is really important

00:34:32.060 you can tell

00:34:32.840 by her body language

00:34:33.840 that the questioner

00:34:35.140 has gone totally

00:34:36.120 outside of Catherine's

00:34:37.440 knowledge base

00:34:38.380 okay Catherine

00:34:39.340 has not thought

00:34:40.120 about this

00:34:40.800 clearly beforehand

00:34:41.700 even though

00:34:42.600 we sent them

00:34:43.240 the report

00:34:43.800 and it detailed it

00:34:45.640 she obviously

00:34:46.420 hadn't read

00:34:46.920 our damn report

00:34:47.640 but anyway

00:34:48.300 here we go

00:34:49.280 this is Catherine

00:34:50.200 now watch your language

00:34:51.260 especially

00:34:51.880 the way she ends

00:34:53.420 when she sort of

00:34:54.000 puts down the mic

00:34:54.700 and oh yeah

00:34:55.440 well that's all

00:34:56.500 I have to say

00:34:56.940 so just watch this

00:34:59.320 it's beautiful

00:34:59.940 and it shows

00:35:00.660 again

00:35:01.180 that you know

00:35:02.580 one of Olenski's rules

00:35:03.660 in in force

00:35:04.960 thank you

00:35:06.360 and thank you

00:35:06.940 for that question

00:35:08.520 absolutely

00:35:09.240 it can't

00:35:10.080 we can't just look

00:35:11.320 to

00:35:12.900 electrifying

00:35:16.080 everything

00:35:16.640 we just can't

00:35:17.360 look at batteries

00:35:18.080 if we're going to

00:35:19.120 phase out

00:35:20.160 fossil fuels

00:35:21.100 if we're going to

00:35:21.760 meet our goals

00:35:22.680 we have to

00:35:24.100 look at

00:35:25.220 completely reducing

00:35:27.040 our demand

00:35:27.600 for energy

00:35:28.280 and we've got

00:35:29.320 to look at

00:35:30.180 increasing

00:35:31.580 our use

00:35:32.460 of

00:35:33.100 renewable

00:35:34.280 renewable

00:35:34.440 resources

00:35:35.080 but we can't

00:35:36.180 just look

00:35:36.740 towards

00:35:37.520 electrifying

00:35:38.920 all of our

00:35:40.340 vehicles

00:35:40.800 and using

00:35:42.140 unsustainable

00:35:44.500 practices

00:35:44.960 that you

00:35:45.500 that you

00:35:46.200 outlined

00:35:46.740 thank you

00:35:47.680 you see that

00:35:49.680 body language

00:35:50.420 she's like

00:35:51.280 Kamala Harris

00:35:52.180 where I feel

00:35:52.800 like she's

00:35:53.220 paid by the

00:35:53.820 word

00:35:54.100 or at least

00:35:54.540 the W

00:35:55.040 she just

00:35:56.640 talks about

00:35:57.320 nonsense

00:35:58.140 and keeps

00:35:58.700 saying

00:35:58.900 you know

00:35:59.340 we're going

00:35:59.580 to work

00:35:59.900 on the work

00:36:00.340 that we're

00:36:00.580 doing

00:36:00.840 and we're

00:36:01.100 going to

00:36:01.300 continue

00:36:01.600 to work

00:36:02.020 on the

00:36:02.240 work

00:36:02.420 that's

00:36:02.680 going

00:36:02.840 forward

00:36:03.240 and you're

00:36:03.660 like

00:36:03.820 I didn't

00:36:04.140 say

00:36:04.360 anything

00:36:04.840 that's

00:36:05.640 the same

00:36:05.980 thing

00:36:06.280 she just

00:36:06.740 said a lot

00:36:07.400 of nothing

00:36:08.360 and didn't

00:36:08.960 say anything

00:36:09.700 for me

00:36:11.240 I look

00:36:11.940 at

00:36:12.400 cobalt

00:36:13.820 mines

00:36:14.180 with children

00:36:14.800 or I

00:36:15.520 look at

00:36:16.300 young

00:36:17.360 indigenous

00:36:17.760 men

00:36:18.200 making

00:36:19.300 $150,000

00:36:20.880 $200,000

00:36:21.920 a year

00:36:22.440 away out of

00:36:23.020 generational

00:36:23.500 poverty

00:36:24.020 here in

00:36:24.820 Canada

00:36:25.200 for me

00:36:26.300 it's a

00:36:26.760 no-brainer

00:36:27.260 but for her

00:36:28.280 it's something

00:36:28.920 you have

00:36:29.380 to consider

00:36:30.020 that's right

00:36:30.900 that's right

00:36:31.320 and you know

00:36:32.180 I think the

00:36:32.820 last rule

00:36:33.380 I have here

00:36:33.920 is to keep

00:36:34.700 the pressure

00:36:35.340 on

00:36:35.860 okay

00:36:36.540 when they

00:36:37.080 don't

00:36:37.440 answer

00:36:37.700 questions

00:36:38.540 even though

00:36:39.220 the moderator

00:36:39.820 says oh

00:36:40.640 you know

00:36:41.020 you've had

00:36:41.720 your chance

00:36:42.160 you've had

00:36:42.460 45 seconds

00:36:43.200 no

00:36:43.820 you cannot

00:36:44.720 let them

00:36:45.200 get away

00:36:45.540 with it

00:36:45.800 you know

00:36:46.020 I was

00:36:46.200 speaking

00:36:46.460 to a

00:36:46.740 communications

00:36:47.240 consultant

00:36:47.740 about what's

00:36:48.280 going on

00:36:48.720 at these

00:36:49.040 meetings

00:36:49.440 and I

00:36:49.800 described

00:36:50.200 to him

00:36:50.560 how

00:36:50.780 you're

00:36:51.240 given

00:36:51.440 45 seconds

00:36:52.380 to answer

00:36:52.680 the question

00:36:53.220 and what

00:36:53.960 a lot

00:36:54.260 of the

00:36:54.480 candidates

00:36:54.840 are doing

00:36:55.300 is they're

00:36:55.700 bridging

00:36:58.280 your question

00:36:58.980 they're

00:36:59.340 ragging

00:36:59.820 the puck

00:37:00.380 as they

00:37:00.980 say

00:37:01.240 they're

00:37:01.460 just

00:37:01.660 winding

00:37:01.960 the

00:37:02.140 clock

00:37:02.400 down

00:37:02.680 and

00:37:03.400 what

00:37:03.780 he

00:37:03.920 said

00:37:04.200 then

00:37:04.420 is

00:37:04.660 that

00:37:04.840 you

00:37:04.960 must

00:37:05.400 interrupt

00:37:05.860 them

00:37:06.200 and it

00:37:06.720 may be

00:37:07.000 against

00:37:07.300 the

00:37:07.500 rules

00:37:07.820 but you

00:37:08.320 know

00:37:08.400 we're

00:37:08.600 talking

00:37:08.900 about

00:37:09.100 the survival

00:37:09.680 of the

00:37:10.000 city

00:37:10.300 we're

00:37:10.740 talking

00:37:11.040 about

00:37:11.360 you know

00:37:11.620 people

00:37:11.920 dying

00:37:12.360 because

00:37:12.640 of

00:37:12.800 lack

00:37:13.040 of

00:37:13.180 energy

00:37:13.460 at

00:37:13.640 minus

00:37:13.960 30

00:37:14.340 if

00:37:14.740 we're

00:37:14.900 a little

00:37:15.160 bit

00:37:15.380 rude

00:37:15.720 and we

00:37:15.980 break

00:37:16.180 some

00:37:16.380 of their

00:37:16.620 rules

00:37:16.980 concerning

00:37:17.420 debate

00:37:17.860 well

00:37:18.380 tough

00:37:18.820 I mean

00:37:19.420 that's

00:37:19.700 what you

00:37:28.280 everybody

00:37:28.840 has to

00:37:29.400 do

00:37:29.640 when

00:37:30.080 they're

00:37:30.240 not

00:37:30.500 answering

00:37:30.820 the

00:37:30.960 question

00:37:31.280 you have

00:37:31.620 to say

00:37:32.080 you're

00:37:32.860 not

00:37:33.220 answering

00:37:33.600 the

00:37:33.760 question

00:37:34.140 I'll

00:37:34.560 just

00:37:34.680 play

00:37:34.880 a little

00:37:35.180 snippet

00:37:35.660 of that

00:37:35.940 here

00:37:36.140 actually

00:37:36.560 thank

00:37:37.320 you

00:37:37.560 I do

00:37:38.680 support

00:37:39.700 I think

00:37:40.640 I said

00:37:40.920 this

00:37:41.080 at the

00:37:41.320 last

00:37:41.640 oh I

00:37:42.020 should

00:37:42.180 tell you

00:37:42.480 what the

00:37:42.720 question

00:37:43.040 was

00:37:43.280 first

00:37:43.580 I

00:37:44.200 asked

00:37:44.580 her

00:37:44.800 would

00:37:45.800 she

00:37:46.060 promote

00:37:46.700 having

00:37:47.100 the

00:37:47.360 experts

00:37:47.800 that we

00:37:48.180 involved

00:37:48.660 and quoted

00:37:49.580 in our

00:37:49.980 reports

00:37:50.400 would she

00:37:50.940 promote

00:37:51.500 them

00:37:51.740 coming into

00:37:52.320 council

00:37:52.780 to explain

00:37:54.020 what the

00:37:55.040 city has

00:37:55.480 done wrong

00:37:56.140 that's my

00:37:56.620 question

00:37:58.280 she goes

00:37:58.700 on and

00:37:59.000 says oh

00:37:59.320 well I

00:37:59.840 support the

00:38:00.420 plan

00:38:00.780 blah blah blah

00:38:01.540 and she

00:38:01.840 starts to

00:38:02.220 talk all

00:38:02.560 about it

00:38:02.980 so you'll

00:38:03.780 see what

00:38:04.100 I did

00:38:04.400 here

00:38:04.720 things back

00:38:05.960 but I

00:38:07.260 do I

00:38:08.120 do just

00:38:08.440 want to

00:38:08.700 reiterate

00:38:09.060 that I

00:38:09.780 strongly

00:38:10.400 support

00:38:10.980 the

00:38:11.580 climate

00:38:11.920 energy

00:38:12.240 plan

00:38:12.660 that was

00:38:13.180 produced

00:38:13.700 thank you

00:38:14.280 will you

00:38:14.960 promote

00:38:15.420 us speaking

00:38:16.280 to your

00:38:16.760 council

00:38:17.120 about the

00:38:17.660 problems

00:38:18.100 with the

00:38:18.520 plan

00:38:18.800 that was

00:38:20.000 my

00:38:20.160 question

00:38:20.620 I guess

00:38:25.080 anybody

00:38:25.480 can come

00:38:26.080 if it's

00:38:26.760 an item

00:38:27.280 in front

00:38:27.680 of committee

00:38:28.140 and

00:38:28.600 will you

00:38:29.820 promote

00:38:30.440 us speaking

00:38:31.700 to the

00:38:32.100 council

00:38:32.460 about the

00:38:32.980 problems

00:38:33.460 you can

00:38:34.520 come to

00:38:34.880 committee

00:38:35.160 at any

00:38:35.740 time

00:38:35.940 like anyone

00:38:36.440 else

00:38:36.780 absolutely

00:38:37.300 thank you

00:38:38.600 oh she's

00:38:39.100 sort of

00:38:39.480 answered

00:38:39.900 but we

00:38:41.840 have to

00:38:42.200 be brave

00:38:42.680 and we

00:38:43.000 have to

00:38:43.320 actually

00:38:43.620 bring up

00:38:44.500 the fact

00:38:44.940 that you

00:38:45.740 know

00:38:45.960 they're not

00:38:47.220 answering

00:38:47.520 questions

00:38:48.020 I mean

00:38:48.380 that is

00:38:48.880 really

00:38:49.080 important

00:38:49.460 we also

00:38:50.160 have to

00:38:50.480 make sure

00:38:50.800 that our

00:38:51.140 attacks

00:38:51.600 are in

00:38:51.920 areas

00:38:52.300 where we

00:38:52.780 have a

00:38:53.160 good

00:38:53.320 answer

00:38:53.720 after the

00:38:54.640 last debate

00:38:55.300 or a

00:38:55.660 previous

00:38:55.920 one

00:38:56.220 somebody

00:38:56.800 came up

00:38:57.260 to me

00:38:57.520 one of

00:38:57.860 the

00:38:58.080 enviro

00:38:58.540 activists

00:38:58.940 and said

00:38:59.360 okay so

00:39:00.040 what would

00:39:00.440 you do

00:39:00.740 if you're

00:39:01.000 not going

00:39:01.260 to have

00:39:01.460 wind power

00:39:01.980 I said

00:39:02.580 well I

00:39:03.360 retain our

00:39:04.120 natural gas

00:39:04.920 it's doing

00:39:05.400 great

00:39:05.800 he was

00:39:06.260 quite annoyed

00:39:06.820 actually

00:39:07.140 gave me

00:39:07.480 back my

00:39:07.840 business card

00:39:08.300 he ran

00:39:10.140 off

00:39:10.520 so I mean

00:39:11.260 there's lots

00:39:11.640 of other

00:39:11.940 quotes I

00:39:12.360 could show

00:39:12.840 you

00:39:13.000 Alinsky's

00:39:13.560 rules being

00:39:14.060 in action

00:39:14.960 being applied

00:39:15.680 but you

00:39:16.320 know I'm

00:39:16.520 really proud

00:39:17.060 of the

00:39:17.400 citizens of

00:39:17.960 Ottawa for

00:39:18.520 speaking out

00:39:19.160 they basically

00:39:20.500 have turned

00:39:21.060 this into

00:39:21.540 something that

00:39:22.140 is so

00:39:22.740 damaging to

00:39:23.540 the city's

00:39:24.100 cause that

00:39:25.080 Rogers has

00:39:25.780 engaged in

00:39:26.580 actual

00:39:27.140 censorship

00:39:27.800 taking out

00:39:28.940 two of the

00:39:29.980 most important

00:39:30.580 questions that

00:39:31.200 were asked

00:39:31.600 to the city

00:39:32.160 and so I

00:39:33.220 really encourage

00:39:33.760 people to go

00:39:34.260 to the last

00:39:34.800 debate and I

00:39:35.340 have it on

00:39:35.660 the screen

00:39:36.060 here it's

00:39:36.920 on September

00:39:37.440 28th one

00:39:38.740 of the points

00:39:39.240 our communications

00:39:39.980 analyst said

00:39:40.780 look he said

00:39:41.480 if you ask

00:39:42.860 a revealing

00:39:43.560 question and

00:39:44.320 two people in

00:39:44.860 the audience

00:39:45.260 clap the

00:39:46.360 moderator says

00:39:47.160 oh no no

00:39:47.940 no one's

00:39:48.460 allowed to

00:39:48.940 clap well

00:39:49.680 what's she

00:39:50.100 going to

00:39:50.320 say if

00:39:50.720 50 people

00:39:51.480 clap maybe

00:39:52.480 she'll say

00:39:52.860 the same

00:39:53.240 thing but

00:39:53.920 again yeah

00:39:55.300 sure you

00:39:55.760 break their

00:39:56.280 little rules

00:39:57.000 the fact is

00:39:57.840 we're talking

00:39:58.320 about the

00:39:58.660 survival of

00:39:59.360 the city

00:39:59.800 we're talking

00:40:00.520 about thousands

00:40:01.280 of people's

00:40:01.920 livelihood their

00:40:03.460 well-being and

00:40:04.120 even their

00:40:04.560 lives so if

00:40:05.600 we break a

00:40:06.140 few rules we

00:40:06.840 clap and

00:40:07.480 cheer for our

00:40:08.180 people the

00:40:08.900 people who are

00:40:09.400 actually bringing

00:40:10.020 up points of

00:40:10.720 view that we

00:40:11.580 know should be

00:40:12.440 brought up that's

00:40:13.380 great now the

00:40:13.980 nice thing about

00:40:14.680 the last event

00:40:15.840 on the 28th is

00:40:17.320 it's going to be

00:40:17.780 live streamed on

00:40:18.920 the internet

00:40:19.480 okay so

00:40:21.020 hard to edit

00:40:21.700 that yeah it's

00:40:23.420 going to be hard

00:40:24.020 for them to edit

00:40:24.640 it because if they

00:40:25.400 do anybody can

00:40:26.320 say oh look at

00:40:27.600 this here's the

00:40:28.140 original and here's

00:40:29.000 what you finally put

00:40:29.740 up so yeah we

00:40:31.320 need lots of

00:40:32.240 ottawans to go

00:40:33.240 and cheer if

00:40:34.180 they're too afraid

00:40:34.880 to actually go to

00:40:35.480 the microphone or

00:40:36.140 they don't know

00:40:36.620 enough to go to

00:40:37.140 the microphone

00:40:37.560 that's fine but

00:40:38.840 we need them to

00:40:39.660 cheer and say like

00:40:41.160 that fellow did

00:40:41.940 when dr

00:40:43.340 condery was saying

00:40:44.200 ottawa is going to

00:40:45.040 leave the world and

00:40:45.860 you can hear

00:40:46.220 somebody yell out

00:40:47.020 that's ridiculous

00:40:48.260 or whatever he

00:40:49.080 said i mean you

00:40:50.240 you have to go

00:40:51.160 out and make a

00:40:52.040 din that's

00:40:53.040 alinsky's rule

00:40:53.760 number one okay

00:40:54.980 people have to go

00:40:55.840 out and make

00:40:56.340 noise or they

00:40:57.560 will lose their

00:40:59.220 city's prosperity

00:41:00.260 ottawa will become

00:41:01.380 bankrupt more

00:41:02.420 polluted because of

00:41:03.420 course these sources

00:41:04.160 wind and solar

00:41:04.840 produce more

00:41:05.440 pollution and

00:41:06.380 guess what

00:41:06.840 sheila the sale

00:41:08.100 of electric

00:41:08.700 generators in

00:41:09.660 backyards is

00:41:10.440 going to go

00:41:10.720 through the roof

00:41:11.380 if you look at

00:41:12.180 the stock for

00:41:12.840 example of

00:41:13.440 geniac i think

00:41:14.100 that's what

00:41:14.440 they're called

00:41:14.860 in the united

00:41:15.420 states they're

00:41:16.420 an electric

00:41:16.940 generator producer

00:41:17.960 you know they

00:41:18.680 burn fuel fossil

00:41:19.760 fuel to make

00:41:20.680 electricity when

00:41:22.140 the wind and

00:41:22.740 solar don't work

00:41:23.640 you're going to

00:41:24.260 have those all

00:41:24.780 over the city so

00:41:25.460 your pollution is

00:41:26.200 going to go way

00:41:26.820 through the roof so

00:41:28.120 it'll fail in that

00:41:29.180 regard as well so

00:41:30.180 yeah people have

00:41:31.260 got to read

00:41:31.780 olinsky's rules

00:41:32.700 they got to be

00:41:33.600 brave they got to

00:41:34.540 apply them and

00:41:36.240 we have to point

00:41:37.220 out this stuff and

00:41:38.120 especially in this

00:41:39.080 debate on the 28th

00:41:40.240 which is live stream

00:41:41.080 so rogers will

00:41:42.420 have a hard time

00:41:43.160 censoring it

00:41:43.900 you know i think

00:41:45.500 it's wonderful

00:41:46.020 that on the

00:41:47.880 next debate

00:41:48.600 you know that

00:41:50.660 all those

00:41:51.200 panelists are

00:41:52.040 going to be in

00:41:53.080 absolute terror

00:41:54.540 that the citizens

00:41:56.740 might show up

00:41:57.760 and ask them a

00:41:58.480 question about

00:41:59.900 the things that

00:42:00.940 they voted for

00:42:01.820 because really

00:42:02.520 that's what's

00:42:02.940 happening here

00:42:03.440 they voted for

00:42:04.800 this they passed

00:42:06.080 this huge

00:42:06.740 comprehensive

00:42:07.440 expensive program

00:42:09.440 that will change

00:42:10.800 the way ottawans

00:42:11.700 live and cost

00:42:12.660 them sixty

00:42:14.040 thousand dollars

00:42:14.780 at the bare

00:42:15.440 minimum and

00:42:16.480 that doesn't

00:42:17.120 even go into

00:42:17.720 the increase in

00:42:18.520 their heating

00:42:18.900 bills and

00:42:19.800 everything else

00:42:20.560 that's just

00:42:21.740 sixty k likely

00:42:23.600 added on to

00:42:24.260 your property

00:42:24.760 tax over the

00:42:25.540 course of your

00:42:26.300 time in ottawa

00:42:27.360 before you escape

00:42:28.280 and become a

00:42:28.900 refugee to calgary

00:42:29.940 well and calgary's

00:42:31.980 not any better

00:42:32.500 become a refugee

00:42:33.540 to red deer i

00:42:34.680 think so far

00:42:35.460 you can go to

00:42:36.680 red deer it's

00:42:37.120 pretty good there

00:42:37.620 but you know

00:42:38.980 all you show up

00:42:40.480 and ask them

00:42:41.500 questions about

00:42:42.340 the things that

00:42:42.860 they voted for

00:42:43.460 and they don't

00:42:44.440 have a clue

00:42:45.000 it shows how

00:42:45.940 shallow their

00:42:46.800 grasp is of

00:42:47.940 this issue

00:42:48.660 and yet they

00:42:49.260 are the first

00:42:49.840 ones to turn

00:42:50.800 around and call

00:42:51.400 you or me or

00:42:52.600 those people in

00:42:53.240 the audience as

00:42:53.920 well meeting

00:42:54.540 citizens of

00:42:55.580 ottawa climate

00:42:56.680 deniers that

00:42:57.640 they're climate

00:42:58.220 deniers when

00:42:59.060 they it's clear

00:42:59.980 they know more

00:43:00.800 than the politicians

00:43:01.720 on this issue

00:43:02.780 yeah and like

00:43:04.040 that lady said

00:43:04.760 in the very first

00:43:05.380 question i showed

00:43:06.160 you or the second

00:43:06.720 one she said

00:43:07.620 did you vote

00:43:08.800 for this plan

00:43:09.560 without even

00:43:10.180 reading it

00:43:10.860 and i think

00:43:11.540 the answer is

00:43:12.540 not i don't know

00:43:12.980 about in her case

00:43:13.600 but the answer

00:43:14.160 on the part of

00:43:14.940 a lot of the

00:43:15.680 counselors is

00:43:16.440 undoubtedly yes

00:43:17.460 okay we had

00:43:18.520 one of the

00:43:18.880 counselors in

00:43:19.420 stitzville denying

00:43:20.360 that certain

00:43:20.840 things were in

00:43:21.360 the plan and

00:43:21.960 lol green who

00:43:22.660 runs a podcast

00:43:23.340 it's very good

00:43:24.120 actually he's

00:43:24.700 still on air

00:43:25.340 he says well

00:43:26.800 it's like right

00:43:27.660 in the plan

00:43:28.320 and you voted

00:43:29.120 for it

00:43:29.640 so yeah of

00:43:31.880 course they just

00:43:32.460 voted to be woke

00:43:33.500 you know they're

00:43:34.340 not reading the

00:43:35.020 plan and it

00:43:35.940 turns out the

00:43:36.500 questioners know

00:43:37.740 far more about

00:43:38.760 the technology

00:43:39.600 about the

00:43:40.360 implications about

00:43:41.440 the negative

00:43:41.960 impacts and the

00:43:43.040 feasibility they

00:43:44.220 know more than

00:43:45.240 anybody on the

00:43:46.160 council so yeah go

00:43:47.200 there and grill

00:43:47.880 them be brave okay

00:43:49.680 and and you know i

00:43:50.580 think this is a

00:43:51.140 great illustration of

00:43:52.140 what could happen

00:43:52.900 across canada in

00:43:54.460 various cities and

00:43:55.580 you know icsc canada

00:43:56.780 i mean i'd love to

00:43:57.500 organize that in

00:43:58.380 calgary for example

00:43:59.340 so if we had the

00:44:01.120 funds i would do

00:44:02.160 that because you

00:44:03.240 know with the

00:44:03.800 slides i showed you

00:44:04.780 and a sample of

00:44:05.740 ottawa as to what

00:44:06.560 can be done you

00:44:07.860 know i think it

00:44:08.420 would be great i'd

00:44:09.160 love to organize it

00:44:10.000 for calgary and

00:44:10.880 show how to apply

00:44:12.200 alinsky's rules and

00:44:13.600 i'd like to do it

00:44:14.280 for future ottawa

00:44:15.240 events too i mean so

00:44:16.660 yeah if people want

00:44:17.540 to see this kind of

00:44:18.340 thing i'm sure i can

00:44:19.360 make it happen you

00:44:20.720 know with icsc canada

00:44:22.200 when is toronto's

00:44:24.320 next election uh

00:44:25.840 because i feel like

00:44:26.700 you could really make

00:44:27.400 an impact there you

00:44:28.700 know what tom now's

00:44:29.720 your chance to make

00:44:30.380 an appeal um let

00:44:32.020 people know where

00:44:32.580 they can find you

00:44:33.320 let people know

00:44:34.040 where they can

00:44:34.660 support you and

00:44:35.240 please don't forget

00:44:36.200 to plug your

00:44:36.700 podcast every time

00:44:37.580 you're on the show

00:44:38.000 you forget about

00:44:38.780 your podcast yeah

00:44:40.140 that's right well

00:44:40.820 we're at icsc-canada.com

00:44:45.020 and i actually have a

00:44:46.300 slide our very last

00:44:47.360 slide here right there

00:44:48.880 and my podcast is on

00:44:50.660 that website just go

00:44:51.940 there it is

00:44:52.740 exploratory journeys

00:44:53.720 with tom harris also

00:44:55.180 we have america

00:44:56.540 out loud.com and dr j

00:44:59.020 lear and i are putting

00:45:00.360 out weekly uh radio

00:45:02.260 shows interviewing you

00:45:04.260 know some of the most

00:45:04.900 amazing people mainly

00:45:06.300 about climate and

00:45:07.080 energy but sometimes

00:45:07.920 about anything from

00:45:08.940 obesity to covid all

00:45:10.940 kinds of interesting

00:45:11.580 topics from a

00:45:12.700 conservative perspective

00:45:13.620 of course so yeah

00:45:15.260 that's great well tom

00:45:16.860 thanks so much for the

00:45:18.220 work that you do to

00:45:19.340 just encourage civil

00:45:20.880 debate and hold

00:45:21.680 politicians to account

00:45:22.780 for their expensive

00:45:24.340 decisions um and

00:45:26.340 injecting a little bit

00:45:27.180 of reality into this

00:45:28.580 overheated emotional

00:45:30.540 debate i mean it's

00:45:31.860 you know don't you

00:45:33.320 care about the trees

00:45:34.100 don't you care about

00:45:34.840 the children and i say

00:45:35.800 yeah i do that's why

00:45:37.420 i don't want them

00:45:38.380 mining cobalt maybe

00:45:39.860 maybe you should feel

00:45:40.640 the same way as i do

00:45:41.680 um i i thank you for

00:45:43.840 the work that you do

00:45:44.480 on this and uh we'll

00:45:45.480 have you on again

00:45:46.240 very soon uh perhaps

00:45:48.000 after the uh ottawa

00:45:50.200 election just to discuss

00:45:51.480 um how things uh worked

00:45:53.660 out there yeah exactly

00:45:55.140 see what impact they

00:45:56.280 had but you know the

00:45:57.440 only thing necessary

00:45:58.320 for evil to triumph is

00:46:00.000 that good people do

00:46:00.820 nothing so you gotta

00:46:02.240 start somewhere and i'm

00:46:03.920 really pleased to see

00:46:04.800 that ottawans are doing

00:46:06.320 it thanks tom

00:46:07.640 well that was a long

00:46:16.760 and interesting interview

00:46:17.600 with tom and i uh look

00:46:19.600 forward to seeing what

00:46:21.340 he does next um those

00:46:23.320 poor witless politicians

00:46:24.580 anyway this is a portion

00:46:25.620 of the show where we

00:46:27.120 want to hear from you

00:46:27.820 unlike the mainstream

00:46:28.580 media who i guess as

00:46:30.880 it turns out censor

00:46:32.140 out embarrassing things

00:46:34.860 that politicians say or

00:46:36.160 do when the civilian

00:46:38.360 population ask them

00:46:39.820 questions they don't have

00:46:40.980 answers to we actually

00:46:41.980 want to hear from you

00:46:42.680 we care about what you

00:46:43.600 think about the work

00:46:44.320 that we're doing here

00:46:45.020 at rebel news and one

00:46:46.420 of the ways that we

00:46:47.420 invite your viewer

00:46:48.100 feedback is well i give

00:46:49.660 out my email address if

00:46:51.200 you want me to read your

00:46:52.560 letter or comment on air

00:46:54.420 one of the best ways to

00:46:55.500 do it is to send me an

00:46:56.300 email directly it's

00:46:57.640 sheila at rebel news

00:46:58.620 dot com just put gun

00:47:00.260 show letters in the

00:47:01.080 subject line so i can

00:47:02.480 find it easily because

00:47:03.920 i'm sure you imagine i

00:47:05.420 get uh hundreds of

00:47:07.480 emails today anyway

00:47:08.720 today's gun show

00:47:11.260 letter comes to us from

00:47:14.260 dana she writes hi

00:47:16.680 sheila loved your

00:47:17.420 interview with matt

00:47:18.320 brevner matt brevner

00:47:20.380 is the filmmaker behind

00:47:21.880 the new documentary made

00:47:23.680 with our rebel news

00:47:24.880 journalist drea humphrey

00:47:25.960 it's called kamloops the

00:47:28.140 hidden truth and it is

00:47:29.520 about what happened or

00:47:31.420 didn't happen for that

00:47:32.620 matter at the residential

00:47:33.960 school there and the

00:47:35.460 search for truth you can

00:47:36.740 get all the details at

00:47:38.020 kamloops documentary dot

00:47:39.760 com including finding out

00:47:41.400 when our in-person

00:47:42.220 showings are anyway

00:47:43.780 dana writes my daughter

00:47:46.240 studied in vancouver from

00:47:47.860 september 18th to may

00:47:49.560 22nd i was shocked at

00:47:51.560 what i saw when i

00:47:52.600 visited her fall of

00:47:54.200 2018 near gas town

00:47:55.960 people were actively

00:47:57.680 overdosing in the

00:47:59.120 street yeah one of the

00:47:59.920 things that we talked

00:48:00.700 about matt and i was

00:48:03.020 this progressive push

00:48:05.440 to normalize drug abuse

00:48:07.900 because they claim it's

00:48:10.740 compassionate to the

00:48:12.540 drug user to remove the

00:48:13.960 stigma but really it is

00:48:15.700 just sentencing the drug

00:48:17.420 user to either a slow or

00:48:20.140 quick suicide and that

00:48:21.860 is for me the opposite

00:48:23.100 of compassion anyway

00:48:24.200 dana continues more

00:48:26.520 more disturbing was my

00:48:28.840 daughter's response when

00:48:30.100 i asked if we should

00:48:31.660 contact 9-1-1 she said

00:48:33.320 it's okay mom they take

00:48:35.100 care of each other

00:48:36.000 someone will have naloxone

00:48:38.460 i was so shocked at how

00:48:40.840 quickly she had become

00:48:42.060 desensitized to the

00:48:44.080 realities of drug culture

00:48:45.420 this was only two weeks

00:48:47.360 after she left alberta as

00:48:49.500 an 18 year old student on

00:48:51.080 her own for the first

00:48:52.800 time dana i just think

00:48:56.000 this is horrible our

00:48:58.940 progressive drug policies

00:49:00.640 prevent people from

00:49:04.620 getting the help they

00:49:05.460 need prevent people from

00:49:06.980 becoming productive happy

00:49:09.820 healthy members of society

00:49:11.440 but also becoming

00:49:13.120 productive happy healthy

00:49:15.200 members of their own

00:49:16.160 families because so often

00:49:18.260 outside of the drug user

00:49:21.320 being the first victim of

00:49:23.000 drug abuse it is their

00:49:24.500 families it's their

00:49:25.400 children they get sucked

00:49:26.600 into this black hole that

00:49:29.260 they had no part in

00:49:30.940 creating and it is like i

00:49:33.740 said the furthest thing from

00:49:36.800 compassion well everybody

00:49:38.780 that's the show for tonight

00:49:39.720 thank you so much for

00:49:40.800 tuning in i'll see

00:49:41.740 everybody back here in

00:49:42.720 the same time in the same

00:49:43.820 place next weekend as

00:49:45.120 always remember don't let

00:49:46.780 the government tell you

00:49:47.540 that you've had too much

00:49:48.420 to think

00:50:09.720 to think

00:50:19.320 we'll be right

00:50:20.100 we'll be right

00:50:20.300 we'll be right

00:50:20.640 here

00:50:20.900 answers

00:50:21.600 with

00:50:22.440 drop

00:50:23.460 ono

00:50:23.600 in

00:50:24.320 what

00:50:24.640 ?

00:50:25.100 there

00:50:25.560 one

00:50:25.960 in

00:50:26.580 hope

00:50:27.220 there

00:50:27.580 NA

00:50:28.420 the

00:50:28.720 and

00:50:29.220 is

00:50:29.540 not

00:50:30.340 the

00:50:30.560 I

00:50:31.260 can

00:50:36.020 but

Rebel News Podcast - September 22, 2022

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Rules for Radicals are also for normals

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