SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Left has been training activists for years—now the Right is doing it
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In this episode, Sheila Gunnar Gun Reid talks with Tom Harris of the International Climate Science Coalition Canada to talk about a new initiative he s working on to help citizens tell politicians that they want a sensible climate policy in Canada.
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activist training for climate skeptics it's about time i'm sheila gun reid and you're watching the gun show
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did you know that every single year al gore brings climate radicals to tennessee to train
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them how to be climate activists to advance public policy on issues of the climate scare
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they are taught speaking techniques they are taught how to turn up at public hearings to advance
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al gore's and time's agenda there's never really been all that much balance or training for the
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other side to train normal people to show up at town halls to advance the agenda of normalcy to
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advance the agenda of life-affirming fossil fuels how they won't spell the end of the earth they
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will help us live longer than ever before why hasn't anybody really thought about doing this in an
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organized way before well thankfully somebody has that is my friend tom harris from the international
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climate science coalition canada and he joins me today to talk about a new organization he's been
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working with to replicate something he did in the city of ottawa to other towns and cities and
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i wanted to have tom on to bring us up to speed on a new initiative he's working on
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and we were talking off air about how we need to lead politicians sort of in the right direction
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sometimes they don't really know what we care about until we tell them one of the things that
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made ralph klein so successful was he said show me which way the parade is marching and i'll jump in
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front of it and lead it and so as citizens we have to do that uh we saw this with pierr polyev he
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didn't really say anything about parents rights until there were parents rights rallies all across
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the country he knew that all of a sudden his voters cared about this stuff he had to be told and so part of what
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tom's doing if i understand correctly and he'll tell us is that he is helping citizens tell politicians
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that they want sensible climate policy tom thanks for coming on the show tell us about this new group
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that just launched in canada and your role within it yeah sure it's a group called canadians for
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sensible climate policy which sounds like a pretty sensible group and cscp and their website is
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sensible change.ca sensible change.ca you know they are an interesting group because what they're
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trying to do is not reinvent the wheel and do what we're already doing with friends of science and
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icsc canada they actually have a website that acts as kind of a pool where it pulls together great sources
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of information all you know from all sorts of places and what you do and what we're encouraging people
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to do is to register as a pathfinder because on their home page there's a button you can click and
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it says register as pathfinder and once you become a pathfinder you will be directed eventually through
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artificial intelligence to all kinds of information that relates to what you are personally interested
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in you know and this is one of the things that really attracted me to cscp you know they're they're
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actually working to to help people so when you actually register as a policy as a pathfinder it
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asks you various questions what are your interests in different things and what do you believe about
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certain things and that thing is stored by the system and the long-term result will be that those
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people are forwarded information that supports the things they're interested in and you know they're
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trying to actually change the information uh that's available to the public okay to give them
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a fair amount of information that will allow them to actually fight back and understand what's really
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going on and i'll just read a couple of their objectives cscp's website enables a curious surfer to
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access directly all the bank known websites that offer realistic evidence about the present state
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of climate in all regions of the globe and here's the thing that really attracted me cscp that's canadians
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for sensible climate policy provides training and coaching to those informed canadians who are willing to
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speak out on the topic of whether the elimination of fossil fuels will achieve a benign climate in 2100
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which of course it won't and you know the statistics they give here as they say the federal government
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and custodians custodians of our savings and investment wealth are telling canadians the upfront cost of
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implementing net zero at 2050 will be between fifty thousand and ninety thousand dollars per person okay now
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that's more money than presently exists in our public pension funds now one of the things that that
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really got them interested in me was what they had been doing in ottawa and you know it was interesting
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because it turned out that ottawa like calgary has an insane climate plan and you know basically
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people didn't know about it so i made a point through you you know rebel news and also through america
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outland and other epoch times other sources starting to inform people but like you said at the beginning
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what really matters to the politicians is where the parade is going and so i worked with a number of
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ottawa's who were very keen on you know actually starting to lead the parade and actually there's
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the parade in a certain direction and we have some video clips which i think were the things that got
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cscp interested in uh contracting me uh to actually work with them on helping educate pathfinders
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across canada eventually to begin with across ontario uh so the first one here actually is danielle mayo
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okay she's a french canadian lady and she took a question that i worked on with her and she
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personalized it and this is really important you have to own the question it's not just a matter
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of reading the script from somebody else's question okay it's true that i helped you
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her i got you know the information for her and and coached her but at the same time she took the
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question and she changed it to be her question i'm a mother i'm a grandmother so yeah we'll play
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it right now and you can see what i mean what i mean when i say a person who takes a question
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and makes it theirs the city of ottawa plans to back up its wind and solar power using a huge amount
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of batteries but we all know batteries are made using cobalt mined by children 40 to 100 000 children in
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the congo this is destructive the cobalt is then shipped in china again disrupting human rights
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the price tag is very hefty i'm a mother i'm a grandmother and i do not want to pay that price
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is ottawa ready to support this the next person i wanted to show you uh it was interesting it was
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another mayoral debate these are mayoral debates that happened in the city of ottawa a couple of years ago
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during our mayoral election and it's quite curious because she went to the microphone you can tell she
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she was a former teacher okay and it's great to have teachers on staff you're not on staff but uh on our
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side because they actually ask questions that you know are very clear and easy to understand and we'll
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play that one next because uh what it actually showed is the discomfort of the politician when
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absolutely ludicrous policies are pointed out by the question so i won't say anymore i'll just let
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that particular one play because she talks about where are you going to put 710 industrial wind
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turbines taller than the peace tower and then watch the answer from the leading candidate for mayor who was
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an extreme climate activist that's katherine mckinney and you can see how these questions start to
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under under underride her authority or credibility in ontario there must be a distance of over
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half a kilometer from a wind turbine to a residential dwelling where is ottawa going to put 710
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industrial wind turbines taller than the peace tower and what about the millions of birds and bats that
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these turbines kill after all one wind farm in california has killed thousands of golden eagles
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plants okay candidate mckinney thank you um so i don't believe that there is space in this city for
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a massive amount of wind turbines i just i just don't i know that it's part of energy evolution i know it's
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part of the plan but i guess perhaps the way i i framed it the last time i really don't see it as being a
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substantive part of the plant i don't honestly see wind farms occurring in the city i think that we have
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other ways of of you know re like we have other ways of uh you know moving away from you know fossil
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fuels we have other ways of reducing our greenhouse gases and making sure that we have better uh energy
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uh products without wind so i just want to i just wanted to make that clear yeah thanks now you'll
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notice something really interesting sheila the candidate mckinney actually backed off on wind
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turbines right she she said oh well it's it's not really that big part of the plan you know it's
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but it was these people have never actually thought about what their stupid ideas mean to the
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people that have to live with them and that's what that lady did is she made catherine mckinney
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who i think part of these debates really did nuke her candidacy for mayor she was a favorite oh yeah
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they're saying oh you know we're gonna save the earth we're gonna build all these wind turbines and
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then the little people who have to live underneath these three-armed crucifixes um you know they when
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they say hey i have to live underneath that droning noise and light yeah um you know shove it back in
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their faces mckinney's not going to have to live underneath these things well yeah exactly especially
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for people in rural areas you know this is the water that is in um east or sorry um west lincoln yeah
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west lincoln ontario what happened is the the water was pristine for generations but when they drove the
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piles through into the black shale which was under the water table it broke the black shale into the
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water table and now it's not you can't drink it so i mean there's all kinds of problems with wind
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turbines and you know people say oh it's way out in the country you know it's not going to bother
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anybody well no actually some of those aquifers are huge and you start busting the black shale into
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the um into the by the way it was chatham that's right this is from chatham chatham ontario but the
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other thing of course is the infrasound you know the low frequency sound that penetrates solid walls
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goes right through your body makes people sick makes people dizzy heart palpitations all kinds
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of things so yeah when you start having average citizens start to speak out and say i'm not so
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sure about this so she backed off in that last answer that we were just watching she backed off and
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you know the fact is she actually contradicted herself because wind turbines are a major part of
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ottawa's plans in fact it's three times as much as solar so the i so you have to sort of ask yourself
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she's kind of giggling she says oh haha you know i don't really think they're going to play a major
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role well you say then why did you pass the climate change master plan and the energy evolution that
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make a major role you know yeah now the next one is that same teacher who actually spoke at a
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committee meeting you could do it by zoom and she did it by zoom and i love her question because
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you can see one of the counselors uh kavanaugh i guess her name is uh she kind of smiles because
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she realizes that the questioner caught them okay so i won't say any more but it's it's not very clear
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video because of the fact that she was doing it from home but the audio is completely clear and being
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a teacher of course it's very easy to understand but i think it's worth playing that because it shows how
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yeah you think it's such a great idea why don't you do it and then tell us how good it is
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can you tell us about any other city of a million or more population that has successfully followed
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the sort of transportation related climate and energy plans being planned for ottawa
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if no such example exists why not carry out a pilot study on a small subset of ottawa's population
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perhaps composed of the members of this committee or city employees who are promoting the plan
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such a study would entail all participants switching over to an electric vehicle and an electric home
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heating and only commuting by transit walking and cycling participants could also commit to
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retrofitting their homes in accordance with the plans the city now wants us all to follow
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then after a reasonable time frame they could report to the committee their experiences during the
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trial period to better inform you on the likely real impacts of city city's plans were they to be
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carried out on the whole of ottawa if a student were to approach me with suggestions that the class
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switch over to a radically new way of learning i would ask have you tried it yourself if their answer
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was no then i would tell them to try it out and let me know how things went similarly as this committee to
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do your homework before further considering compelling the whole city to radically change the way we live
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thank you thank you very much for your delegation i'm just seeing if any committee members have
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questions it doesn't appear so thank you for being here so i mean that's the question eight if the can't
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if the actual um committee members are not prepared to do the things themselves that they want all of us to
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do you have to say uh like this teacher said she said look if a student had a new idea and it was
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radically transforming the way we learned ask them you tried it out yourself and if the answer was no
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she'd send them away to do their homework and you know that kind of answer is is uh that kind of question
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of course is is ideal now the last video i wanted to show is interesting because to be a pathfinder it
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just means that you're getting information okay it doesn't mean that you have to speak out but what
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you can do then is you can stay up to date on the field and you can support those who do speak out
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and that's why i included the next little video clip the next video clip is the conclusion of my
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delegation to the ottawa city environment and climate change committee now remember these meetings are not
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supposed to have a cheerleading crowd they're supposed to be very quiet the audience isn't supposed to say
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anything at all and yet we oh man there must have been at least three dozen supporters i i did not
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organize this okay they just heard i was giving a delegation and 36 or 40 i don't know brave souls
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showed up and they broke all the committee rules and they cheered and whistled and everything else at
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the end of my delegation and then again is just like what you said about klein the counselors say
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oh wow i guess lots of people agree with that so let's play that one and i think people will get
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a kick out of the reaction and what was supposed to be a very quiet polite audience that don't react
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we'd be pleased to meet with any of you personally and to present our findings to a committee or to the
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full capsule we're convinced that following ottawa's plans will leave us bankrupt hungry and freezing in
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the dark for no environmental benefit i look forward to your comments and questions okay thank you very
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so there we go i mean you can actually go and support other people who are speaking out so
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register to be a pathfinder click on the button find the link and you'll be actually given information
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by cscp to help you learn about the field but also to go and help people who are prepared to speak out
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okay i mean i think that is the key is that we have to show them support if you you know it's interesting
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if you go to a party and you're the one person saying this unusual thing it doesn't go over so well
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but if everybody says yeah i agree i agree yeah whoever's listening is going to take it much more
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seriously so i mean this is one of alinsky's rules you know saying alinsky wrote rules for radicals
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and you know it's interesting that i mean that's how the left took over our institutions if you read
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rules for radicals it's the playbook mary clinton did her graduating thesis on sol alinsky so we have to
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use the same tactics and one of them is if your group's small you have to raise a din you have to make
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a lot of noise you have to actually make meetings and cheer for people who say what you think is correct
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okay and it gives the impression that you're much bigger than you are but in many cases you are a big
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group most people just don't speak out i i think sheila that there's been a complacency on the part of
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a lot of conservatives over the last few decades i mean they were on the inside and uh well now they're
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not it's the other side that's on the inside so you should use alinsky's rules to fight back against
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them well and you know i think people have really learned the rule the lesson of the convoy right
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there were a lot of people who generally felt alone they felt like maybe maybe i'm crazy for thinking
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that the lines on the grocery store don't prevent covet that it only goes counterclockwise
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or something like that yeah and you know you were there were people who were scared to speak out
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but then tamara leach stood up and then people piled out onto the overpasses to greet the trucks
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and the trucks kept rolling and the trucks kept rolling and then tens of thousands of people are on
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the streets of ottawa saying you know what no more and it does take one person to stand up one person
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to be that tamara leach and everybody knows that it's okay to think differently too and i think that's
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an important psychological effect of this project that you're doing yeah that's right and you know
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one of the other things is that many people are reluctant to go to the microphone in these public
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events they say well i won't be first you know well no that's wrong you should be first there's a
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couple of reasons for it first of all you break the ice you bring up a topic that many people in the
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audience probably agree with but are afraid to say if you go to the mic early in the discussion period
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and you say you know i don't think this climate change thing is worth spending you know four
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thousand dollars a year which is the kind of income that we're talking about you know by this net zero
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stuff i mean for the average family i calculated that it's something approaching four thousand dollars
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per year uh before tax income that you're going to lose and you know when someone goes to the mic or
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calls into a talk radio show early in the program you find that other people follow so so i mean
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there's a very good strategic reason to get to the mic as soon as possible there's also a psychological
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reason because it's a great relief when you've done it and then you sit down and you say i did my job
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because this is stressful i mean it is stressful to get up and actually say things that are politically
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incorrect even though they're scientifically right so it does two things it gets you off the hot seat
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and then you can enjoy the rest of the meeting it also breaks the ice and you find other people
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follow you so you know the thing i did in ottawa is i read stanielinski's rules for radicals i'd
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never read it before which is pretty negligent on my part but i read it and i said wow this is the blueprint
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for how we can get back into power how we can actually start to influence the political process
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and so you'll notice in the videos uh that i just showed that in many cases we're employing
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stanielinski's rules yeah okay one of the things we did and i think it's really important is rogers tv
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were assigned the job of actually videotaping the debates and they were apparently in support of
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mckinney because there were a couple of questions asked in uh some of the debates which made her look
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really stupid i mean really stupid or dishonest or not doing her job so i should say no you wouldn't take
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it out you'd leave it in we would leave it in and then for sure you'd highlight it so rogers removed
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it and we had seen a little bit of this in the early debates where they didn't show all the questions
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from the audience they chose which questions they would broadcast so that so that their listeners and
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viewers would only see what they wanted them to see now i think that's probably against crtc reels i
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mean if you have you know i think if you have a mandate or a contract whatever they had to uh
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enter the debates i mean i don't think you're able to censor them but here's the question there was one
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question that was asked it was really good it was by mindy thomas and uh happily we thought this might
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happen the censorship so one of our friends actually videotaped himself the debates and we put those links
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and they're actually on our website we put links to the videos that we captured to show what questions
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rogers censored out and you know here's something i'll give you if you'll get a kick out of not that
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many people watch community tv so i mean if if rogers no if rogers tv had broadcast it you know maybe 500
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people in the city would have seen those inconvenient questions but that is enough to flip some some
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some districts oh yeah yeah what we did was this and this was actually quite fun actually we took the
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videos we put them on our website and then i read an article for pj media about the censorship now pj media
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gets about five million readers a month and we estimated that there were tens of thousands of people
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that saw the censored videos because they were censored because people want to see what they're not
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allowed to see so they kind of shot rise and effect strikes again oh yeah so people were saying well
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what was the questions that we weren't allowed to see so we estimate that probably a hundred times more
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people saw the questions that were censored than would have seen it if they weren't censored yeah so
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now the thing i have to emphasize is these auto ones are self-motivated people a number of them are
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from action for canada okay action for canada amazing group under tanya go go to action for canada
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dot com uh so they were doing these things on their own to a large extent but i mean i helped
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them out in the background i didn't have to push though because they were they were going anyway
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yeah um so so what cscp want to do is they want to replicate this oh i'm sorry i should tell you the
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question that was canceled or at least one of them anyway it catherine mckinney in an effort to get
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the wind turbine issue because it came up again after the lady we just saw she said well um wind turbines are
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not a major part of the plan it's it's mainly solar and uh energy distribute well she said things that
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didn't make any sense so mindy thomas went to the microphone and she read the quote and then she said
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for mckinney she said that is deceptive and wrong it is wrong because the distribution issue has nothing
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to do with the source it's just how you distribute the energy and it's deceptive because unlike what you said
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about minimizing you know wind it's not much of the plan it's triple the plan for solar it's a massive
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part of the plan so here's the question that mindy asked and this applies one of alinsky's rules which
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is two two rules actually one is ridicule okay ridicule stings it really stings and it's worth doing
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and the other is to personalize it in other words not just say the city vended for something that was
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crazy they said you said you voted for something that's right so the question that mindy thomas asked
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she said after reading mckinney's quote and then saying what was really in the plan which was totally
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different did you vote for a 57 billion dollar plan with the reason first great and of course the audience
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said oh well you know and of course she danced around didn't want to answer the question at all
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and you know so that sort of thing uses alinsky's rules it uses common sense basically and it holds
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the politician personally accountable so what's the scp want to do is when people fill in the pathfinder
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form as i say they go into a database and when we start to uh teach people i'll be actually teaching
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people not only the science and the economics and policy and stuff but also be teaching them how to be
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effective in public public public events public speaking that sort of thing some of them you know
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the more advanced pathfinders are called trailblazers and they're people who will actually give presentations
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themselves okay and so we'll be helping you know cscp will be helping provide them with slides and that
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sort of thing so there's actually a fair similarity between this and al gore's climate reality project
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you know in al gore's case people go to tennessee and they're trained to be speakers well if cscp is
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successful and i really hope it is because if we spread what happened in ottawa and we do it in other
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cities across canada cscp has the potential to totally change the direction of the climate debate in in
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canada and you know one of the objectives here is to actually uh stop these marxist policies that are
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coming through you know cscp believe that if they don't stop them by january 2025 and i'm talking
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about things like the climate aligned finance act the senate s243 we're also talking about bill c59
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the greenwashing you know and and companies are just paranoid about that weren't you saying that
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a lot of them are just caving in yeah yeah you know i wanted to talk to you about that um but i'm just
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so happy to see that you are focusing on municipal politics when you do this but i think maybe the
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municipal politics is um the training ground to roll this out maybe as we approach the next election
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is that why you're doing this now yeah yeah well that's a good point and and also you've spoken
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with michelle quite a lot about the cssb a canadian sustainable standards board i mean they are ludicrous
00:27:24.100
financial standards that will radically change the way we do business in canada and you know a crazy
00:27:29.620
example is a farmer who grows potatoes uh not only does he have to account for the greenhouse gas
00:27:36.660
emissions that he emits when he you know or she uh farms the potato they have to look at what are
00:27:42.740
called scope two emissions which are how is the electricity provided to them what are the emissions
00:27:47.940
produced there but and here's the thing that's really crazy and puts canada at a massive disadvantage
00:27:52.900
because the u.s aren't doing this is what are called scope three emissions how is the potato used
00:27:58.740
okay how does that right it's crazy because it actually makes the farmer responsible to account
00:28:05.700
for how the consumer gets to the shopping center to buy the potato and how they cook the potato what
00:28:11.780
they do with the bag they got the potato in i mean the farmer will be held responsible for this now
00:28:17.300
the big impact of course will be on the oil and gas industry because they have to then account for
00:28:21.940
how other products are used you know which is virtually an impossible uh administrative nightmare
00:28:27.940
i mean it's going to cost huge amounts and of course the big consulting companies love it because
00:28:32.580
they have great computer models that can you know forecast approximately how much scope three emissions
00:28:37.460
are going to do so it's going to make them an absolute fortune but um yeah so the main objective i i would
00:28:43.380
say overall of cscp is to gain public support and following and speaking out to end net zero by 2050
00:28:52.900
completely because net zero is a death knoll for not only the oil and gas industry but for all of us
00:28:59.540
because we rely on the oil and gas industry for our survival yeah now i wanted to talk to you about
00:29:06.900
bill c59 because you just touched on it and that is the anti-greenwashing bill but really as uh premier
00:29:12.740
daniel smith has said it's a gag order on the oil patch and anybody who says nice things about
00:29:18.980
life-affirming fossil fuels which includes you um and they're doing this through the competition act
00:29:25.620
they are saying that you know you're it's false advertising to say that fossil fuels save lives
00:29:32.420
because they do it could just try living without them but what we're seeing now the panic in the oil
00:29:39.940
patch by the way you touched on this also canadian association of petroleum producers pulls down
00:29:45.380
their website folds turtles leaves the battle to people like you friends of science alliance pathways
00:29:51.460
alliance too they shut her down and then they say the little guy basically the the battlefield is now
00:29:57.540
tom harris's robbie picard's michelle sterling's battlefield these guys have millions of dollars and
00:30:03.700
all the big paid lawyers and it's your problem all of a sudden um but you have been fighting with the
00:30:09.700
the left the green left at the competition bureau before they did this to michelle sterling once they
00:30:16.900
did yeah and i got my competition bureau here yeah they went after us they were we were accused now the
00:30:25.140
competition bureau didn't have to launch an investigation they could have said that this is stupid this is stupid yeah
00:30:29.700
stupid yeah yeah we were accused of looking out to the public to please our donors now of course that
00:30:37.220
didn't make any sense because first of all our donors are confidential nobody knows who donates to us
00:30:41.700
we don't want to inflict on our donors hate mail and you know death threats and things like that that
00:30:46.820
our scientists get so the last thing we're going to do is say who funded us but the other thing of
00:30:51.940
course is we don't lie to the public we say what we think is true so you know and it's funny because
00:30:57.060
chris essex who is one of the advisors of icsc uh he actually said look the competition act doesn't
00:31:03.940
apply to the marketplace of ideas you know i mean it shouldn't be applied to that it's for things like
00:31:11.060
if you say oh my toothpaste uh you know it stops cancer or my competitor's toothpaste causes cancer i mean
00:31:19.700
those kinds of things are part of the competition act and that makes a lot of sense but uh and so what
00:31:25.060
happened in my case was they launched an investigation strangely and you know i got email
00:31:30.020
or i got letters registered mail you know saying keep all your records tell all of your contractors
00:31:34.980
to keep all their records make sure that nothing is deleted this is a serious investigation and of
00:31:39.940
course they talk about all the possible penalties which are pretty severe and um nothing happened and
00:31:46.420
then i get another letter saying you're still under investigation so none of it was the penalty is the
00:31:52.260
process because that process yeah that process went on for 15 months until eventually they just
00:31:59.220
dropped it but when they dropped it they said let's assure that this can be reopened at any time
00:32:04.500
now it is interesting sheila i'd been operating with icsc since 2008 it was only a few months after
00:32:11.620
justin judo came in that this competition bureau uh threat against us and friends of science and others
00:32:17.940
uh that that all came in you know three months or something after he came came in as prime minister
00:32:23.220
now there's supposed to be an independent bureau but it's kind of coincidental that i could operate
00:32:28.500
for seven years and never have it go ahead of the competition bureau go after us but then as soon as
00:32:33.700
justin comes in damn you know you're under investigation i didn't do anything fortunately i was advised
00:32:40.100
by a lawyer look don't fight back don't aggravate them don't do anything eventually they'll conclude they
00:32:44.900
have more important things to do more realistic things to do and they'll drop it and they did
00:32:50.180
you know people can look up though on the web and i'll i'll send you the link um anthony fury
00:32:55.460
who was at the sun media chain at the time yeah he thought this was something that was worth publicizing
00:33:01.380
after it was closed so we did we i wrote an article called big brother watched me it was right in
00:33:07.060
1984 and he got it published from you know in all the sun chain which i'm sure gave him a bit of a black
00:33:12.900
eye probably somebody inside the competition bureau said what the heck i mean you know this
00:33:17.620
is a useful agency if it's used properly right but not like this yeah they went after friends of
00:33:26.420
science for saying that perhaps the big burning ball of gas in the sky plays a role in the heating
00:33:32.180
and the cooling of the planet yeah they went after friends of science for that who went after you again
00:33:37.060
which green was the competition bureau oh it was god yeah you know who filed the complaint
00:33:43.300
well it's signed by deputy commissioner of competition well that's the one that was a
00:33:49.380
discontinuance of an inquiry and the first one was you know the big one the letters with all
00:33:55.940
of this commencement of an inquiry pursuant to section nine of the competition act blah blah blah
00:34:00.820
you know that with the penalties and everything that was signed by assistant deputy commissioner
00:34:05.380
commissioner of competition um so they were very official about it yeah so actually i learned a bit
00:34:12.820
you know i guess i could write my own 1984 but yeah you're pretty stressed out i was actually at the
00:34:18.180
paris climate agreement and this thing came out and i actually called the competition bureau personally
00:34:24.100
on the phone i said you know i'm kind of worried about this because i know this is very serious but
00:34:29.060
you know we're not lying nobody knows who our donors are and they were kind of nice on the
00:34:34.980
phone but they continued the investigation for 15 months you know i i just wanted to say one thing
00:34:39.860
quickly and that is why cscp is important right now yes there there's a huge um window of opportunity
00:34:48.980
right now because in the european union there have been a big beddling on the climate issue a lot of
00:34:56.020
people are starting to question it and you probably noticed there was a huge loss of power by the green
00:35:01.540
parties and you know so people are starting to become a lot more practical uh and i think that
00:35:07.380
is is a really good thing there's another thing and that was of course the federal carbon tax and here's
00:35:11.780
the total price tag they're saying now that well the government's own agency said that uh by 2030
00:35:18.580
the adverse impact of the carbon tax and clean fuel standards is more than 25 billion dollars a year
00:35:25.780
okay that's another one and and this one here and this is worth actually spending a minute on if you
00:35:30.980
don't mind three of the world's most renowned physicists okay uh william happer uh coonan and
00:35:37.860
richard lindsen they wrote a brief to the hague court of appeals and this is available on the cscp website
00:35:46.180
it's well worth reading and they concluded again these are some of the most renowned physicists in
00:35:52.420
the world they said the unipcc is not a scientific organization because it does not follow the
00:35:58.580
scientific method and here's what they said in our opinion the district court of the hague findings
00:36:04.420
that quote dangers unquote climate change and extreme weather are caused by co2 emissions from
00:36:09.300
fossil fuels are contradicted by the scientific method and only supported by the unscientific methods
00:36:16.100
of government opinion consensus peer-reviewed and cherry-picked or falsified data i mean you
00:36:22.500
can't get more definite than that they're saying the whole thing is wrong and they're saying the
00:36:27.060
results would include mass starvation if we try to get to net zero the biggest consequences being on
00:36:33.860
the poor now all 27 pages of that briefing uh to the hague court is on the website at sensiblechange.ca
00:36:42.900
so i really really encourage people take a look so you know with leading experts speaking out with
00:36:49.140
the public starting to say i don't know about this and and massive defeat for the green party this is
00:36:55.940
a great opportunity for cscp to actually get going and to take what i did in ottawa and what the citizens
00:37:02.820
here did because as i say some of them didn't require any push from me you know like that 36 or
00:37:08.500
40 or whatever that came and gave the applause after i spoke that's a big surprise actually you
00:37:13.540
know i thought oh i'm gonna get booed here you know it was wonderful so yeah sit average citizens
00:37:21.700
properly trained happy you know very motivated uh very brave and that's where action for canada
00:37:27.620
people are wonderful because they have this built-in armor you know they're they they feel they're
00:37:33.060
protected of course by god so they go up and they you know it's interesting daniel mayo i'll
00:37:38.100
just tell you a real quick story about her she was the first video i showed um i said to her afterwards
00:37:44.020
because remember this isn't even her first language for her to go to the mic and do that is pretty
00:37:48.180
awesome i said to her wow where did you get the courage to do that and she said well before i went
00:37:53.300
to the microphone i left the room and i called a friend and we prayed together so when she went to the
00:38:00.260
mic she was completely centered and she nailed them really hard and there isn't time of course to
00:38:06.420
show the the counselor's answers but i mean mckinney was very uncomfortable uh what's she going to say
00:38:13.380
oh i don't care about the children we're going to electrify the city or is she going to say oh i guess
00:38:18.100
we're not going to electrify the city and you know haram singh who was another candidate he said
00:38:23.140
i'm not going to lie to you but i don't know so yeah i mean i think that all of this demonstrates
00:38:32.340
that we can win we just have to have the courage to do it right well and i think there's a huge
00:38:37.860
opportunity as we approach the 2025 federal election here in canada um because i think it was legé polling
00:38:47.140
a couple of months ago the number one issue for young people of course it's not climate change
00:38:53.380
it's never been climate change no matter what the media or the liberals but i'm probably repeating
00:38:57.460
myself by making a distinction there what they say it's affordability young people are saying i am
00:39:05.220
never going to be able to afford what my parents have and if somebody is out there personalizing the
00:39:11.780
issue at the microphone and putting together these wacky climate policies and how they affect you and
00:39:17.700
pick your pocket it will change hearts and minds of young people because they are struggling with
00:39:22.420
affordability you need to tell them the cause of the affordability crisis right yeah well that's
00:39:28.260
interesting because so many people tell me oh i'm not interested in climate change i'm interested in
00:39:33.140
buying a house i'm interested in you yeah and you say yeah well then you'd be interested in climate
00:39:40.020
change because at least climate change policy because that's going to stop you from owning a
00:39:44.980
house that's going to massively you know cripple your yourself financially and you know it the climate
00:39:51.220
issue has permeated through so many areas in our society i mean it's really sick it's affecting safety
00:39:58.020
it's affecting all kinds of things you know that people don't see on the surface it's changing the
00:40:02.740
building code which makes houses more expensive it changes land use bylaws which makes building that house
00:40:08.740
more expensive permitting the house more expensive electrifying the house more expensive everything
00:40:13.700
that a young person sees when they just want to start her home add tens and tens and tens of thousands
00:40:19.140
of dollars onto the top of that house after justin trudeau's inflationary policies that's what climate
00:40:25.380
change policies do to the young people well totally and one of the questions that rogers cancelled out
00:40:31.140
actually gave the numbers the actual cost and then gave the impact for point zero zero zero zero one
00:40:38.420
degrees and the person said to the to the um candidates for mayor uh jay nara the very good outspoken
00:40:45.540
person bodybuilder so nobody was going to challenge him uh he said so you're expecting islands to pay
00:40:52.980
billions and billions of dollars you know bankrupting them making they can't afford all sorts of normal things
00:40:58.820
for a one ten thousandth of one degree change in in a hundred years like what the heck and of course
00:41:06.900
rogers took that out and of course we publicized the heck yeah we publicized the heck out of it so i mean
00:41:12.500
we're not just going to have you know csdp obviously is it has a lot on the science as much as anything
00:41:19.220
it has a lot in the finance and that's where i actually encourage people go to sensible change.ca
00:41:24.260
and take a look because they actually talk about the impact on the next generation and it will
00:41:31.220
cripple us financially you'll never own a home if they get through with all of this different stuff
00:41:37.380
tom i could talk to you forever uh both you and i are back from respective camping trips and we need
00:41:42.740
to get caught up on our regular work yeah i'm all sunburned here me too um tell us how people can
00:41:50.820
stay on top of the work that you're doing at international climate science coalition canada
00:41:56.100
where they can hear your podcast at america out loud find some of your other work let us know
00:42:01.380
yeah for sure for the podcast it's pretty straightforward you just go to america out loud
00:42:05.700
dot news america out loud dot news and you click on podcasts and you click down you look at the other
00:42:12.020
side of the story you know and i've had you on there actually and it was fun i now have a new co-host
00:42:18.740
his name's todd royal nobody's going to ever replace jay lair sadly of course he died a year and a half
00:42:24.260
ago yeah but um todd royal is my new co-host and todd is an energy expert from texas he's also a former
00:42:31.540
actor okay he actually was in hollywood and so he's a wonderful guy to have on you know i might go through
00:42:37.700
all the facts he goes through the empathy and you know i understand how you feel so it's a good
00:42:43.140
combination our website is icsc-canada.com but i really really direct people to sensible change
00:42:50.820
dot ca because quite frankly i think that with that particular project that i'm working with them on
00:42:57.140
to help train people in other parts of canada i think that's going to become my major activity
00:43:01.700
sheila i think so too i think it's exactly what the other side of the climate debate our side of the
00:43:08.340
climate debate needs we know that they have summer training camps for the left oh yeah and we we're
00:43:14.660
just too busy going to work and maybe getting in the odd camping trip because who can afford an actual
00:43:19.220
vacation in justin trudeau's canada they have summer training camps to equip these people with the tools
00:43:26.420
to direct public policy and we're just going to work and struggling to pay the bills and you know it's
00:43:33.380
really rewarding i mean there was one particular public event that i couldn't go to but a number
00:43:37.860
of the people that were you know sort of in our team it was a kind of loose team um they said they
00:43:43.700
went okay so we had about six six people go and they called me and we had a joint phone call and it was
00:43:49.620
like kids in a candy shop they were so excited to say oh we did this and then i got up and supported him
00:43:54.580
and and we all sat separately so nobody knew that we were related in any way and we just totally crashed
00:44:00.740
the meeting and you know you could actually have a lot of fun doing this stuff especially if you're
00:44:05.380
as brave as action for canada so it's it's very rewarding for me it's kind of like when you know
00:44:12.340
when you're when your daughter or your son does something fantastic that you help them learn how to do
00:44:17.460
like your daughter playing rugby yeah it really makes you feel good and when i see people that i've
00:44:24.180
helped train and just take the world by storm i think oh man that is so great especially when this
00:44:32.260
when you know it's it's people very different to me who bring their own sort of touch to it i mean
00:44:37.540
that is really neat and that's why i really like danielle mayo's approach yeah i remember during the
00:44:43.780
northern gateway pipeline hearings the left had this uh strategy of mobbing the mic they would show up at all
00:44:52.580
the hearings and it was called mob the mic they would uh monopolize the mic and our side didn't even
00:44:59.300
show up like they're over there taking the mic directing public policy creating this image that
00:45:06.740
there are a lot more of them than of us because they were louder and we didn't even show up so
00:45:12.340
hopefully your initiative and your work on this inspires people to engage in public activism public
00:45:20.820
policy and not just holding a sign and marching in the streets but going and speaking truth to
00:45:25.140
power to these politicians because let me tell you that is part of my job here and that hit of
00:45:29.700
adrenaline you feel before you hold a politician to account the politician is feeling it way worse
00:45:36.100
why because they have never had to face a person whose policies will hurt oh yeah they've never had
00:45:46.100
to answer for their policies to the people directly affected by them they don't like you being at the
00:45:51.620
public hearings so go to the public hearings and exactly that's right that's right so go to sensible
00:45:58.500
what change sorry get it right here sensible change.ca and register to be a pathfinder it doesn't commit
00:46:04.340
you to having to do anything but it means you'll be kept informed and you know we can win and we
00:46:09.940
demonstrated in ottawa i mean it had a big impact on the election um i'm not saying that we caused
00:46:15.140
mckinney to lose but boy we had a contribution i think mckinney caused mckinney to lose yes exactly
00:46:21.460
she wanted to spend a quarter of a billion dollars on bike paths at the same time where they were
00:46:26.420
turning people away from drug rehab centers yeah you know so i mean yeah she shot herself in the
00:46:30.900
foot in so many ways but these people very brave uh and i just hats off to them they're just wonderful
00:46:37.860
bunch of people well i think you're a wonderful bunch of people too tom thank you so much for coming
00:46:43.060
on the show um thanks for the work that you do advocating for families just like mine
00:46:53.060
as always this is the portion of the show where you have your say because without you there's no
00:46:57.540
rebel news if you don't watch my stuff i don't have a job so i want to give you your chance to tell
00:47:04.580
me what you think about the work that we do here at rebel news and in particular the work that i do
00:47:08.980
on the gun show here it's why i give you my email address right now it's sheila at rebel news dot com
00:47:14.020
put gun show letters in the subject line send me an email you might just have your email read on air
00:47:20.820
but if you're watching free clips of the show over on youtube or on rumble go ahead leave a comment
00:47:27.540
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00:47:34.340
to care about what you have to say i want you to be able to consume the show at a price point that
00:47:39.700
works for your family and that shouldn't be a reason i don't care about your thoughts right
00:47:45.380
today's viewer feedback actually comes from youtube comments it comes on last week's show with my
00:47:49.700
friend robbie picard from oil sand strong about justin trudeau's gag order on the oil patch you might
00:47:54.980
not have heard about it's called bill c59 and it uses the competition bureau to silence what the liberals
00:48:03.780
describe as greenwashing um by greenwashing they mean saying actual true things about the oil patch
00:48:13.140
basically they're saying it's false advertising if you say that fossil fuels are life-affirming that
00:48:17.540
the oil patch is reduced emissions 30 percent over uh recent years that you will die without having
00:48:24.260
fossil fuels in your life that perhaps maybe even that they won't spell the end of all humankind and
00:48:30.580
that's not even something that the oil patch would be so radical as to say they usually just sort of go
00:48:36.420
along with the green agenda by buying wind turbines and saying look at us we're sun core we're so green we
00:48:47.060
have wind turbines well look at that it didn't save them anyway the oil patch capitulated to the
00:48:53.060
censorship as you know in the show um from my discussion with tom harris today but robbie is
00:49:01.140
not one to be silenced as you know in fact he's very it's very difficult to get a word in edgewise
00:49:06.340
with my friend robbie picard but anyway the comments are from robbie on the show last week and the comment
00:49:13.780
is from alkobum as you can tell i i take a lot of these at random i'm not screening you by username
00:49:22.820
folks out there alkobum or alchobum says if the oil and gas industry went on strike no oil no gas or
00:49:31.700
gasoline no chemicals no a lot of things and said mere production and delivery shows the benefits of oil
00:49:41.540
and gas of course and will lead us to being sued sanctioned and fined under bill c-59 therefore we
00:49:46.980
have no choice but to shut down have a wonderful day soon no fuel for trudeau to jet around yeah
00:49:54.500
i mean what did uh ralph klein say i'm not even sure it was ralph klein but he sort of got the credit
00:49:59.300
for it let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark it's a great idea in theory but if oil and gas
00:50:04.820
production stopped advocates like me and you and all the normal people who need fuel to get to work
00:50:11.540
to stay alive to electrify our homes to freeze our groceries that we bought on sale because
00:50:18.900
they're trying to fight inflation um we would pay the price if we could just turn off the fuel for
00:50:25.860
justin trudeau that would be one thing but if we turn off the fuel we turn off the fuel for all of us
00:50:31.220
and including including the oil and gas jobs right turn off the pumps
00:50:35.860
our husbands our fathers our sisters our mothers they don't go to work either in the oil patch but
00:50:44.340
also anywhere else so great in theory if we can only get justin trudeau uh to stop jetting around
00:50:50.580
but unfortunately it's all of us too i think the only thing that we can do is mass resistance to this
00:50:58.660
nonsense don't let people like tom and michelle sterling and uh robbie picard fight justin trudeau's
00:51:05.940
censorship alone we must all speak up you know i'm spartacus no i'm spartacus no i'm spartacus
00:51:13.140
they can't silence us all so let us all speak up even if you don't care about the oil patch maybe you
00:51:19.380
care about freedom truth reality stand up speak out against bill c59 well everybody that's the show for
00:51:26.660
tonight thank you so much for tuning in i'll see everybody back here in the same place next week
00:51:31.220
possibly the same time depends on when i record right and as always don't let the government