SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The Liberals didn't allocate any money for their so-called gun buyback program in their latest budget
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What s Justin Trudeau s latest gun grab going to do to the shooting sports here in Canada? Well, we asked the Executive Director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, Tony Bernardo, exactly that question. And he answered it.
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What's Justin Trudeau's latest gun grab going to do to the shooting sports here in Canada?
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Well, we asked the executive director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association exactly that question.
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.
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I know a lot of people in Canada see firearms rights as exclusively a gun issue, but it's really not.
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Imagine you wake up one day after minding your own business and obeying the speed limit
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to find out that your car has been outlawed because a car that was the same color of your car has killed somebody in Toronto.
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And that car that killed somebody in Toronto, it was stolen from its lawful owner,
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or it was stolen in the United States and then brought across the border
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and then used to run over somebody in the commission of a crime in Toronto.
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But you, out here in Alberta or wherever you might be,
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you have to be held accountable for it because your car and that car were both blue.
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That's what's happening to gun owners here in Canada.
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And then it gets even worse because as a taxpayer, you don't own a car.
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But you have to, as a taxpayer, foot the bill for the government to compensate me for the car that they just made illegal.
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Again, that's what's happening to Canadian gun owners.
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It doesn't make any sense when you explain it that way.
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But there is such stigma around guns, at least according to the government and the people on the left of the political spectrum,
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that they can get away with saying and doing these crazy things and scapegoating people for crimes they didn't commit.
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Which is why I think it's so important to have so many robust advocacy groups advocating for gun owners like me here in Canada.
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So today joining me is Tony Bernardo from the Canadian Shooting Sports Association in a long, long, long overdue interview.
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So joining me now is Tony Bernardo, Executive Director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association
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and it's been a while since Tony was on the show.
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A couple of years, I'm embarrassed about that because there's so much to talk about in gun grab news, I suppose, and in the gun rights space.
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So, Tony, I promise I'll have you back on again very soon.
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I won't wait years before I have you back on the show.
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And one of the things I want to do here is to bring on different people from the different gun rights advocacy groups.
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Because although the liberals say this about anything, I really think we're all in this together.
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And this is a fight where, you know, I don't think it really matters what gun rights organization you're with.
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So, Tony, tell us a little bit for those people who don't know, what is the Canadian Shooting Sports Association?
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Okay, well, we're an advocacy group for firearms owners, but we do a lot of other things like provide high-quality training, shooting range protocols and procedures.
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We have members in every province and territory.
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We have gun clubs right across the entire country.
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We've got some conspicuous successes to our work.
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One was the cessation of the long gun registry.
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And the liberals have brought all that stuff back.
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But in the way we do things, we're conservative.
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You know, that's what I love about the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.
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So, you do all, I don't want to say backrooms deals.
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You're actually grinding away on the politics and policy matters to make real change.
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And as you say, you were instrumental in making sure the long gun registry was gone and removing the ATT.
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So, the requirement for gun owners who already can only use their gun at the range to call some bureaucrat in a cubicle somewhere and say,
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When your firearms license expires, that six-month grace period was the result of work we did with Stephen Blaney.
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And if you can make the environment better for firearms owners across Canada, it's worth doing.
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I mean, a small win is still keeping one guy out of jail.
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Keeping one guy from becoming a paper criminal.
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And I think that's a huge win for that guy's family, or in my case, that woman's family.
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Tell us some of the things that you're working on right now, because we know Justin Trudeau's latest gun grab on hunting rifles.
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He's just reworking it in a way that I think the liberals think might be more palatable.
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Well, we're still doing the stuff in the back, making sure that policy documents are the way they should be, etc., etc.
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As you well know, we don't talk real-time about the things that we do correctly, because that makes them not happen.
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Okay, I mean, you know, like, politics is a real thing, and you have to do it right, or it's not worth bothering one.
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So, you know, you don't divulge your private discussions and things like that.
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But we don't mistake the comment back eventually.
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You know, they're going to try to do is they're going to try to take the hunting guns out of it or something like that,
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and then reintroduce them as if the sporting guns that we're in are somehow doing bad things.
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But, of course, you know, they did the 2020 Ordering Council, and here it is 20 to 23,
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and we all still have our sporting guns because the liberals can't figure out how to take them.
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Well, yeah, well, there might be mass shootings happening,
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but I think they're sort of happening in Canada's big cities because of a gang violence problem
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that has nothing to do with lawful Canadian gun owners.
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I mean, they're almost never used in gang crimes.
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They're almost always smuggles American handguns.
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But that's a border issue that Justin Trudeau refuses to deal with.
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And, you know, when you look at the track record of the various ministers, public safety ministers,
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every single year they pledge another $300-something million to increase border security and stop the guns monthly.
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And every year, just like block work, they reduce the budget of the CBSA by $300 million.
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So they're literally giving it one hand, taking it on the other hand, and then proclaiming that they've done something good.
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And, in fact, CBSA's grossed the other hand, and there's lots of things that could be done.
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I don't know if you saw the committee testimony where CBSA testified that $1 billion of 1% of rail cargo is checked.
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Apparently, there's only two depots in Canada where you can check rail cargo, and the trains aren't there.
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And, you know, this is something that I think most Canadians don't know.
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We just assume, and generally it's true, that the liberals are just making money rain from the sky on every government department
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and growing the size and scope of the bureaucracy.
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But the one thing that we really need, border control, to deal with people coming into the country, to deal with guns coming into the country,
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to deal with contraband coming into the country, to deal with opioids, poisons that are killing our young people coming into the country.
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They inked the deal on Roxham Road a year ago, but they don't implement it for a year.
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So obviously, you must get some indication of how much value they put in that deal on Roxham Road.
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It's just, if their lips are moving, it's not true.
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You can go back and you can look at the budgets.
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This has been going on since Ralph Goodale was the public safety minister.
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And we saw the very first year, $300 million going out to help the CBSA interdict guns at the border.
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And the same year, they reduced their overall budget by $300 million.
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At the same time, however, they seem to be willing to blow, at least according to the parliamentary budget officer, $800 million in their gun buyback program, which is an incredible misnomer because you're not buying anything back.
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You didn't own these things in the first place.
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And I'm sure, just like the gun registry, that number is going to balloon.
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I'll tell you, I asked the government for any of their financial analysis that they did on the gun buyback program.
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They sent me seven pages of largely redacted internal government gibberish, just bureaucrats talking amongst themselves when I asked for financial analysis because I wanted to know where the government came to their $200 million number.
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Nobody can tell me where they came to that $200 million number, which leads me to believe that this is going to be a $2 billion boondoggle if it ever gets off the ground, which I'm on team government ineptitude on this one.
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I hope that the government ineptitude sort of skewers their plan to snatch everybody's guns.
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Well, I think when they make the cost estimates, they must think that they're going to put in an announcement.
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They don't realize that they're going to have to do a lot of things to get the guns.
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The first thing they're going to have to do is pay for them.
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And have you noticed in our illustrious budget yesterday?
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Now, we're talking like many, many, many billions of dollars.
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Because while they might be talking about putting in, say, a billion dollars in compensation, that doesn't include depots, transport, the construction, the promotion of the program.
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Do you send everybody a FedEx box and say, put your gun in the FedEx box?
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And then the FedEx guy will come and pick up your prohibited firearm.
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And he doesn't have a license for prohibited firearm.
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And then this poor bugger takes his life in his hands by driving his FedEx truck full of deadly evil black assault rifles through neighborhoods where people would quite happily kill him with his guns.
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Now, if you were the FedEx driver, what would you say?
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I think I think I think the same thing a lot of RCMP members would say if they were asked to kick in their neighbor's doors.
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The only thing they can really do is mandate Canada post to it.
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Because that's the only thing we really have any control over.
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But that's a train wreck looking for a place to happen.
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Because I know the first thing we'll do is we'll be putting the labels all over free takes many as you want.
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And it will be for the box that you're shipping this thing.
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And plaster them all over the box and turn them into Canada post tomorrow.
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So you have several provinces now led the way by Alberta, thankfully, which remains one of the freer places in this country that said we're not ever going to mandate our police forces who are already struggling with rural crime and urban crime to take them off real crimes to kick in the doors of their neighbors to confiscate their legally acquired property.
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So we've got several provinces who say our police forces are not going to cooperate in this.
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And then just the logistics, as you say, of it all.
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So they have moved guns from non-restricted all the way to prohibited.
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I always go back to the SKS and the SKS because it's cheap.
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They think maybe there's 200,000 of those in the country.
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I bet it's closer to three times that you don't know who has them.
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I saw on Twitter when somebody said it's like somebody who's never even seen a car making the rules of the road.
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And it is so true where it's you know, you're banning things that you don't even know what they are, where they are, who owns them, what classification they're in.
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So I don't know how they plan to execute any of this.
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It's like hiring a brain surgeon to do your air traffic control regulations.
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I mean, they're completely out of their league, completely out of their element.
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They're simply I don't see any way for them to do the confiscation.
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But I'll tell you, if they do, no matter how they do it, you will not get a penny for your guns.
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And, you know, if they were serious, if they were really serious about this, there would have been a money appropriation in this budget.
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You know, but they're going to have to do this if they want to do it.
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Well, and, you know, I'm glad you pointed out that there was no money allocated for the gun grab in the budget, I think, because it's a potential to be an election year.
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Quite frankly, if that coalition falls apart with the NDP, I'm not sure.
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It seems like the NDP will apologize for any amount of corruption.
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But if the precarious coalition falls apart with the NDP, they're going to an election.
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And what I do know about gun owners is that this for a lot of them, this is the one issue that mobilizes them to the election polls.
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And, you know, it really it helped the conservatives in the Stephen Harper years, especially with the advocacy of the CSSA to on the gun registry.
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I mean, that really bolstered Stephen Harper's numbers at the polls.
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And I don't think the liberals want to tangle with gun owners on a major gun grab in an election year.
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No, I don't think that the liberals have the capacity to do that right now.
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And I don't think they have the ability to alienate anybody to have a chance of winning.
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I think you're probably going to make a way better prime minister.
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Yeah, yeah, actually, actually, my labrador retriever would make a way better prime minister.
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You know, I have a top five dumb liberals and I've had to extend it to 10 or 12 lately because I can't get it.
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Like there's too many in the running right now.
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To do this without some very, very smart planning.
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Now, I know that the, well, first of all, I know for a fact that the feds have been going around to the provinces trying to get cooperation on this.
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And, yes, Alberta has stood the ground and that's great.
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And so those two provinces are leading the way on this.
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And one of the things they've done, a lot of people have coo-cooed the Alberta Saskatchewan Firearms Act, respectively, because they read them.
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They don't really understand the implications of what they're reading.
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But things in there like they're going to license anyone who is a confiscator.
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And then you read the qualifications that the confiscator's got to have.
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I mean, honestly, the Lord's going to have to send a messenger down here to read those qualifications.
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You've got to have your warehouse facility a kilometer away from a road.
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So I really want to see how this actually goes down.
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And thank God we have Alberta and Saskatchewan doing this stuff.
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Because without them and the involvement of the municipality of Saskatchewan in Alberta,
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without those people being involved in this, we might be up against the ball.
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I think that's really a bit of a moral of the story here is, and we saw this in the United States.
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I don't want to, I mean, this isn't a COVID-y show.
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But you saw with Ron DeSantis, he stood up against, you know, some of the COVID restrictions.
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And then the other state said, you know what, yeah, me too.
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Like, then Texas came along, and South Dakota came along, and all it takes is one or two
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And then the other Me Too provinces came along too, and the Me Too territories came along too.
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So, I think it's really important for, I mean, even if you're an Ontario gun owner,
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start cheering for Alberta and Saskatchewan, because maybe they will empower your government
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And we've been releasing all the press releases that they're sending out,
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and keeping our members informed of the changes in fuel time.
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And we have not been downplaying the importance of this.
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You know, Canada's a country where our constitution says we have to have equal laws
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If nothing else, if nothing else, the feds would have to challenge it.
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Yeah, so those two provinces are offering up a defense for firearms owners,
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and quite frankly, I can't express enough gratitude to them.
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I wanted to ask you about just some of the idiocy I've seen at committee.
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I think Pam Danoff, I think she might be number six on the dumb liberals this week,
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where she is talking to an Olympic sports shooter, basically saying, well, this handgun ban,
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it's not really going to hurt your sport, because we're going to give you an exemption.
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And that's great for existing Olympic sports shooters or anybody coming up through the shooting
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sports rifle, handgun, whatever, but it doesn't allow for new people to enter the sport,
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because you have to train with your tool before you make it to the Olympics.
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It was like these, she couldn't make it click in her head that, okay, but you might be giving
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an exemption to this generation of sports shooters, but it's done with them.
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Well, you know, with respect to Ms. Danoff, there's a lot of things she can't get the click
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One of the things that she said to me was, well, your handguns are all now worthless.
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I said, well, I guess that depends on who you sell them to.
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When I was testifying to the committee, I said, make this analogous to NHL players.
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They require years and years, maybe sometimes into the decades, to acquire those skills and
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hone them to find enough edge to be competitive.
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And I think that the liberals suffer from way, way too much Hollywood.
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They seem to think that you can play with a handgun for 15 minutes and then be able to
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shoot down a helicopter with 200 yards with it.
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And, you know, they don't understand that to hit the paper at 25 yards is an achievement.
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The other thing, though, that they've done is in the letter of the legislation, it says
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that any sport governing organization could issue the letter declaring this person to
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See, there isn't really a sport governing organization.
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The Shooting Federation of Canada takes this on because they do this out of their own graces.
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And it's a tough thing to do because they're always fighting for money and stuff like that.
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They can't get money like we get money before we go to every gun owners.
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They have to go to the actual shooters themselves and say, you know, help us get money.
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And then they're lobbying the feds to get pittances of money.
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But it doesn't say anywhere that there is a sport governing body for the Olympic shooting.
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Well, I mean, the CSSA is a sport governing body.
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We govern probably a half a dozen different shooting sports across Canada.
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And Sheila, I'll tell you right now, if you if you asked me and told me that you wanted
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You know, and on the other side of this, so when it comes to the grandfathering out of
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handguns, for me, this one is really atrocious because.
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For many people, including my own, these are family heirlooms.
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Like I, I am in possession of my grandfather's guns that came to me.
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They will likely go to my daughter, who is the marksman in the family, but they will not
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I have to turn them over to the state to be destroyed.
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And it's very difficult to make people understand that these are not just guns.
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This is like me showing up and saying, oh, your grandma died, that family, that China
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that you thought you were going to inherit, that is a family heirloom.
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No, you have to turn it over to the government and the government's going to smash it into
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bits and you're supposed to thank them for the pleasure of it all.
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They just see these as weapons of destruction as opposed to a family heirloom that's been
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You know, I collect some historical stuff and the thought of that stuff being put into the
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And I can't imagine why any government would want to destroy this stuff because this isn't
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If they really believe that they're trying to affect crime, which, by the way, they don't.
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And it never, ever had anything to do with crime.
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All the way back to C-68 and the whole licensing system and all that stuff.
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It all had to do with making so many hurdles to firearms ownership that people would give up
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You turn in your black rifles, you turn in your handguns, they'll be back for your scoped
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You know, the ones you use to shoot deer and elk with those ones?
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They'll be back for the shotguns that they once saw in a Hollywood movie where somebody
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sawed off with their old shotgun and they were able to shoot a car and the car flipped
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I mean, honestly, they're looking at some kind of fantasy world.
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And gun owners have got to get this through their heads.
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You cannot sacrifice another passenger out of the boat and expect the sharks to go away.
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We've got documents from the anti-gun groups about the doctors that hate gunnies.
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The doctors that hate gunnies have said, it's the guns.
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The Coalition for Gun Control has said two or three times that their goal is to remove all
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So if you're a speed shooter or you're a hunter, don't be fooled by this.
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Well, I think a lot of people are waking up to that.
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You know, the first ordering council that banned 1,500 popular models of shotguns and rifles,
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including a 410 bird gun that they shoehorned into there, I mean, because it was black, looked
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So a lot of people said, well, it doesn't matter.
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And a lot of people said, I don't have an RPAL, so I don't really care about that stuff
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So a lot of people, I think, in the gun community have been mugged by reality, realizing that they
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probably should have been fighting in that first ditch instead of the third ditch where
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And I hope it balloons your membership, because you've always been a strong advocate for legislative
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change and holding the government to account on behalf of the people and not just firearms
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owners, because it is non-gun owners who are going to have to pay for this debacle.
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And the money that they spend on buying these inoffensive firearms off of law-abiding people
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is money that isn't going to be spent interdicting guns at the border and getting the drug gangs
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Or on hospitals, or on hospitals, or employing doctors that hate gunnies.
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Yeah, it's great, because that's really what they are.
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No, I was just going to, because I promised you a 20-minute interview, and I think we're
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So, I was just going to ask you, where can people stay in touch with the Canadian Shooting
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Because, you know, as you say, you are, you could help me get to the Olympics.
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Now, today's letter is not actually on last week's show, but it's on a response to a letter
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So I feel like I'm in like a long argument where we're just emailing each other back
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But anyways, I like I said, I welcome the viewer feedback, so I'm going to take it.
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And today's letter comes to us from Walter Maitland, who writes, good day, Sheila.
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On the closing topic, letter response of the March 22 show, your remark and position about
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us not being like the U.S. Democrats or Justin Trudeau and arresting our political opponents.
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I should stop and clarify the letter that I was responding to was somebody who said we
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I think it was all the liberals in the NDP or we should outlaw their ideology.
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And I said, I don't want to be like Justin Trudeau, arresting political dissidents when
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They will use it against you, as we just saw Justin Trudeau do it, even when he didn't
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And the U.S. Democrats right now, they're trying to fabricate some sort of trumped up
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campaign finance violation against Donald Trump because he will be the presumed Republican
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So they're trying to nip that in the bud using the legal system to, you know, eliminate their
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I believe in a system where we debate ideas and not arrest our political enemies.
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Anyways, what exactly exactly what downside has Justin or any leftist face for their blatantly
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Like every other bully, the only language they will ever understand is if you hit me, I will
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Please give some thoughts to this and give me and every other listener a serious answer
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What have we seen that will give Justin or the next liberal NDP head of our government
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the slightest pause before they declare martial law to clear up the next inconvenience?
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I think there is a balance in this again, I reiterate, I do not change my mind.
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I don't think you arrest your political enemies.
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I don't think you outlaw political ideologies because they will do the same to you and you
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can't outlaw what's in somebody's heart and in their mind.
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I don't think you should outlaw political parties.
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But what have we seen that will give the liberals pause?
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You don't outlaw the political ideology, but at the same time, don't tone police people.
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We see a lot of conservatives tone policing each other.
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And, you know, when the liberals in the NDP are out calling everybody with whom they disagree,
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And then when you stand up and say, no, shut up, you absolute idiot, you have another conservative
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over your shoulder tone policing you after somebody else has called you literally the
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When you tell your allies to shut up, you are only helping your enemies.
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But on the flip side, what have we seen that will give Justin Trudeau and the next liberal
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NDP head of government the slightest pause before they declare martial law?
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Well, I think the current revolt happening in CSIS with regard to Handong should scare the
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daylights out of the liberals because whatever the liberals are doing, it is so corrupt that
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a CSIS individual is willing to risk their entire career and even jail time to blow the
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But as I was talking with Tony, what I think is really going to give the liberals pause is
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that several provinces now are standing up to the government on a whole number of issues,
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So a whole bunch of provinces are now saying, we don't care what you're doing, Justin Trudeau.
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We are not snatching the guns of our people and we're not having our police forces do it.
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And so that should really give the liberals pause because they're realizing now that there
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is provincial pushback, strong, freedom-minded premiers in place.
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That should really actually scare the liberals because they're not going to have free reign
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And in Alberta and Saskatchewan, we have our two respective versions of the Sovereignty Act
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where we are exerting our provincial authority and pushing back against the feds any time
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So I think as much as Justin Trudeau thinks he has infinite power here in Canada, the provinces
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And I think that should really give the liberals pause.
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And, you know, as much as everybody likes to talk about sanctuary states on the progressive
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side, I think Alberta and Saskatchewan and a few other provinces are going to quickly become
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Um, I still remain steadfast in my position that, uh, you don't arrest your political enemies,
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Um, if martial law is wrong when they do it, it's got to be wrong when you do it too.
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You just can't, I mean, the jails will be full of political distance.
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I think, um, if there is ever a change in government, uh, they need to quickly, quickly,
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um, restrain the federal government from ever doing this again, change the law, make it more
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defined if we're talking about the emergencies act and, uh, maybe get yourself to a province
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It was probably not a satisfactory answer if you are in Ontario, but if you're in
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Alberta, Saskatchewan, um, and a couple of other provinces, um, it's good.
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It's good to live here because, um, we at least have leaders who will make sure that
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Justin Trudeau, if he's ever going to do those things that he's done, um, particularly in
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the emergencies act, uh, he won't be doing it here to us.
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Thank you so much for tuning in and thanks to Tony Bernardo for joining me tonight.
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We'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.
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And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.