Sheila Gunn-Reed is a gun rights activist and firearms enthusiast. She's joined by DJ Sumanik to discuss Trudeau's successive undemocratic gun bans, and how to get yourself kicked off of social media by being pro-hunting.
00:00:00.140Discussing Trudeau's successive undemocratic gun bans and then how to get yourself kicked off of Twitter by being pro-hunting.
00:00:07.520I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gun Show.
00:00:26.660You know, friends, I'm going to do something that they never do.
00:00:30.000Over at the CBC, and that's divulged my bias right off the top because I think my bias actually makes me uniquely poised to talk about this issue.
00:00:39.700I am, unlike so many of my peers in the mainstream media, a firearms owner, aficionado, enthusiast.
00:00:48.800In fact, I have a restricted firearms license, which means like so many of you out there, I am under attack by Justin Trudeau.
00:00:57.580I face the threat of confiscation of my lawfully obtained property.
00:01:03.820I, like so many of you, are scapegoated by Justin Trudeau and the Liberal government for the failures of progressive mayors in Canada's big cities
00:01:15.320and the failures of Justin Trudeau to enforce border policies that would stop illegal gun trafficking across the border.
00:01:24.520It is not guns like mine that are committing the crimes in Toronto.
00:05:39.820We didn't have running water until I was, I think, six or seven.
00:05:45.080I don't know, but hunting, fishing my whole life, you know, I'm a professional hunting guide.
00:05:52.620I guide hunts twice a year, which has been reduced a bit lately because of the whole COVID stuff.
00:06:00.020People haven't been able to come hunting and stuff.
00:06:02.200But I run an outfitting area with my father in British Columbia, and I'm a full-time IT specialist.
00:06:11.640I work doing all sorts of telecommunications, fiber optics, all sorts of stuff up here in the communities around the Yukon.
00:06:19.360And I'm fed up with this government trying to control my life, more or less.
00:06:26.320I first got, you know, involved in politics, I would say.
00:06:31.040I think, you know, I was mostly apolitical for the majority of my life.
00:06:36.460You know, I always voted conservative.
00:06:38.060But, you know, I wasn't super active until Trudeau got in power, and he started to slowly but surely try to eradicate my way of life, my family's way of life.
00:06:53.440And you can either sit there and let it happen, or you can push back.
00:06:57.780And, you know, I think that's the case for a lot of conservatives out there in Canada right now, is they've sort of been just trying to hide and keep under the radar a little bit these last few years and hope the problem's going to go away.
00:07:15.140We're in serious trouble now on multiple fronts.
00:07:18.640Firearms, of course, is a big problem right now.
00:07:21.580But that's just kind of the tip of the spear.
00:07:24.120The firearms ownership is, I'd call it the canary in the coal mine when it comes to civil liberties in the country.
00:07:32.500And what happens to gun owners, it eventually trickles down to the civilian population, and problems start from there.
00:07:39.480You know, I'm glad you made that point, because it seems as though Justin Trudeau seized upon the pandemic and the chaos and confusion and the fear and the, like, the TV-induced anxiety.
00:07:52.040That a lot of people who weren't quite paying attention to how things were shaking out, he used it to start, you know, for lack of a better term, his great Canadian reset.
00:08:09.200He, you know, you had these rumblings for UBI, which is sort of what everybody's $1,200 turned out to be.
00:08:16.380You know, that was sort of the test of it.
00:08:18.600But what had been just something bantied around in liberal circles, he used an order in council to just, like that, ban some very popular Canadian firearms in the most undemocratic of ways.
00:08:35.940Just, here's a list of things we don't like.
00:08:38.220And they just kept adding to the list.
00:09:01.100I think a really good way to summarize everything that you just brought up is that COVID-19 has become a tool for power abuse in this country.
00:09:13.580Right from day one, you know, there were many folks on both sides of the aisle saying, we need to shut down travel from China, right?
00:09:22.740Like, the pandemic was on the other side of the ocean.
00:09:25.560You know, we need to shut down the borders and stop, at least make an attempt to stop it from infecting our country.
00:09:32.640And he delayed, he deliberately let it happen, you know, slowly but surely, you know, the infections got in and they wanted it.
00:09:42.860They were hoping it was going to be just bad enough to make things, you know, so that they could spend a bunch of money without having any accountability, I think was the initial thing.
00:09:52.920But it got out of control, obviously, and everybody got sick.
00:10:00.320The government services have collapsed.
00:10:01.900If you, no matter what metric you look at in this country right now, the liberal government is failing on the file, period.
00:10:09.980It's way over cost and it's way underperforming.
00:10:12.920And, you know, the OIC gun ban is something that the liberals have been, they've been wanting, they've been salivating at an opportunity to do this for many years.
00:10:26.540Like this, this happened with the long gun registry.
00:10:30.960This happened in the 90s with Alan Rock and the initial C-68.
00:10:36.920And they've been slowly but surely trying to eliminate civilian firearms ownership in this country for many years.
00:10:45.820And the strategy that they use is they try to find an emotional moment to manipulate the masses, to abuse the messaging with their friends in the media that they pay for, by the way, and use it to undermine civil liberties of every single Canadian.
00:11:08.760And it's very interesting how you mentioned that the OIC was done in an undemocratic fashion.
00:11:18.440Well, it's really important for any Canadian out there watching this.
00:11:21.820It doesn't matter if you like guns or not.
00:11:24.420The bottom line is he seized property without justification.
00:11:28.360He worked with the RCMP to create a story, more or less, to justify the action.
00:11:41.220And it's a real eye-opener for every Canadian that we have no property rights in this country.
00:11:46.640Your home, your vehicle, anything, your bank account, as we saw with the truckers, anything that you think you own, the government can seize at will.
00:11:56.260And this is not, like, something that we need to disagree about.
00:12:00.140I think that people who, on the other side of the political aisle is me, if they have a smartphone, they think they own that smartphone.
00:12:08.340If the government says, no, that's gone, it's gone, okay?
00:12:11.580And, you know, we have to establish some sort of property rights in this country or, moving forward, governments on all sides will abuse this power.
00:12:21.360So, I would recommend that Canadians who are concerned about this issue, they look into the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights.
00:12:30.020They actually have a charter challenge underway.
00:12:35.500And the latest I've heard is there might be a decision on it in December or January, but it's going to be a preliminary decision.
00:12:47.200Because if we win, the federal government is going to take it to the Supreme Court.
00:12:52.320And if we lose, we're going to take it to the Supreme Court.
00:12:54.940So, it's a long ways from being over, but the bottom line is we all need to help fund the CCFR and other organizations like the JCCF to make sure that our charter rights are actually being upheld in this country.
00:13:11.380Because we saw over the last two years, there was abuses on every level, from kids to grandmothers to teachers to doctors to nurses to blue-collar workers, you know, white-collar workers.
00:13:28.760It doesn't matter your race, your gender, your profession.
00:13:31.840The government targeted you and harassed you if you did not comply.
00:13:35.860And taking away firearms, I would put forth that that is part of that agenda.
00:13:44.100It's part of the government trying to control you, trying to take away your ability to say, no, thank you, please leave me alone.
00:13:52.780And that's where we're at now with Marco Mendicino is he's saying, no, we're going to come take your guns.
00:13:58.340He's trying to get the police to go door-to-door, it looks like, more or less.
00:14:02.060So, it's going to be some interesting times.
00:14:04.700And I think he's going to meet a lot more resistance than he realizes, not just from individual gun owners like myself, but as we're seeing now, Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan are on board.
00:14:18.520I've been pushing the parties here to speak up about it.
00:14:23.120I've got a response from one of the party leaders.
00:14:26.280They're supposedly supposed to be bringing it up in the legislature next week, I'm hoping.
00:14:32.540But I know I have little control over that.
00:14:36.080But I do think as time goes by and the costs of this sort of get underway and the amount of resources it's going to divert from actual policing of actual criminals, the cops aren't going to want to do it.
00:14:53.080The administrative staff isn't going to want to do it.
00:14:55.360It's just a huge mess that costs a bunch of money and accomplishes nothing.
00:15:15.700No matter what this government says, what letters they email you, you don't have to do anything.
00:15:19.780And if you're planning on turning in your firearms, which I don't think many people, at least in the provinces that are refusing now, are going to.
00:15:30.080If you're planning on turning in your firearms, make sure at least you do it at the 11th hour.
00:15:34.640We need to ramp up the stress on this government and put the fear on their shoulders.
00:15:39.840Because right now, there are millions of Canadians that are being criminalized by the government.
00:15:45.620Like, what kind of democracy is it when you have to live in fear of what the government is going to do to you?
00:16:04.860You know, we shouldn't have to live in fear of what Justin Trudeau will do to us.
00:16:11.940You know, he should be working with us.
00:16:13.620You know, even if we're going to agree to disagree on firearms, traditionally, grandfathering has been used as a way to make severe and serious regulatory changes.
00:16:28.160And this is something I'd really like to bring up to Sheila is this is how crazy this ban has got.
00:16:36.140So step one, as you mentioned, they're banning airsoft rifles, right?
00:17:22.640He says, well, firearms laws and a la carte, you don't get to pick and choose what rules to follow.
00:17:29.080And it's irresponsible for the provinces to try and choose what laws they're going to comply with.
00:17:36.280Yet, just last year, like for the last two years, three years, since this OIC has come in, they've been advocating to give municipalities, cities, the ability to ban handguns if they want.
00:17:50.760So they're saying, well, it's okay if you want to ban guns.
00:17:54.560Well, you don't have to follow the federal laws then.
00:18:05.020It has nothing to do with public safety anymore.
00:18:07.440It's purely about a wedge issue for the upcoming election, which should be sooner rather than later here, I think.
00:18:16.360And we're going to see more like the worst attacks on gun owners we've ever seen in the history of this country, because Justin Trudeau needs to change the channel on his failures.
00:18:28.400And gun owners need to brace themselves for that and just peacefully hold the line.
00:18:34.520You know, I was looking through some of the data because the Liberals were forced to produce the statistics through an order paper question about two weeks ago.
00:18:43.220And legal guns, legal handguns out of 137 handgun related murders across the country.
00:18:53.840And that includes gang violence, whatever.
00:18:56.180Just 11 of them were legally obtained now.
00:18:58.580And that could also mean that they were stolen and then used in a crime so that at some point they had been legal.
00:19:07.600At some point, those 11 had been legal guns.
00:19:11.280It sounds like the other remaining, what is it, 126 must have been trafficked across the border into the hands of gangsters and criminals.
00:19:20.960And then with regard to Airsoft, like that's an entire industry that's being leveled.
00:19:25.260People are losing their businesses because of this.
00:19:28.400Only 6% of all gun related instances were committed with replica guns that includes Airsoft.
00:19:37.280And that might even be brandishing on the street and some cop charged you with mischief.
00:19:41.060Just 6% and yet instead of saying, OK, we're going to spend this billion plus that we're going to spend on the buyback that's going to be like 4 billion by the time they're done on policing border security, maybe, because that's really the problem here.
00:19:58.600They're just going to buy guns from people who are doing nothing with them.
00:20:04.780Yeah, well, there's a lot to unpack there.
00:20:11.060The first thing that I would like to say, I guess, is that the gun ban, it's not public safety in nature anymore.
00:20:23.240It's undeniable that it's ideological in nature and that it's a political avenue to try and change the channel on what's happening with this liberal government.
00:20:37.180Like, our country is in deep, deep trouble right now.
00:20:40.860Economically, our military, like, war is brewing.
00:20:53.880And, you know, I look at all the problems that we're having, the public, when it comes to public safety, you know, there's so many things that we're failing on right now that this money could be used to rectify.
00:21:13.300And it's being used to attack political opponents, period.
00:21:19.660And as a message to gun owners out there, I really want to say this.
00:21:24.640If you turn over your firearms with this ban, you are accepting responsibility for mass murder that you did not commit.
00:21:33.360That that's what they're saying, that you are too dangerous of a person to peacefully coexist in our society and that you bear the responsibility for actions that you had nothing to do with.
00:21:48.580And your reward will be a smiling, smirking Justin Trudeau talking about how successful he was at controlling and protecting Canadians from conservatives.
00:22:12.000You know, our inflation is out of control as is, you know, and this notion of a buyback is if the government owned this property to begin with, it's absolutely insane.
00:23:21.860That's more Canadians than play organized hockey.
00:23:24.940But if Justin Trudeau were banning skates, everybody would be up in arms.
00:23:29.320But because it's firearms owners and they've been demonized and Justin Trudeau repeatedly stands on the graves of people in Nova Scotia or Uvalde, Texas to attack people who didn't do anything, it's just perfectly fine.
00:23:42.380And I guess he gets away with it because he has a compliant media.
00:23:51.060So what you're talking about is how he said he's standing on the graves of stuff and that they're targeting people who actually aren't the problem, that these are mainstream people.
00:24:02.700Like if gun owners were the problem, it's not like this would be like a surprise.
00:24:08.180And when you said that there's 2.2 million gun owners, I think there's several hundred thousand that have been waiting in the wings now for about two years.
00:24:20.040The licensing system, it's been deliberately backed up and delayed and strangled.
00:24:26.720I just renewed and it took forever in a day.
00:25:58.820And until we deal with the roots of violence and why children are doing this in the first place, then it doesn't matter what we do.
00:26:06.620I think it may start with, I'm a poor kid living in the hood, so to speak.
00:26:11.720So I'm watching TV and I'm seeing, oh, this person has this or this person has that.
00:26:16.680Then someone else may say, hey, well, you can have this too.
00:26:19.540You know, here's 20 bucks or whatever it is.
00:26:21.380Just kind of stand at the street corner or whatever the case may be and kind of keep an eye out for the police.
00:26:27.100And then before long, you become really involved.
00:26:29.900Right now, it may be a case of, well, you know what?
00:26:31.760You're 13, can you keep this handgun or can you keep this sawed-off shotgun before you realize you're completely involved in all of this sort of stuff?
00:26:41.560If we could come up with a set of rules and laws that reduce the likelihood that those totally prohibited weapons and guns would be in our community, would you be in favor of that?
00:26:54.840While I think enforcement and those sort of pieces are definitely going to be a part of it, I think if that becomes the only area that we focus on in terms of coming to a solution, then we have completely missed the point.
00:27:44.320And the reality is here is that he's ignoring his own constituents' advice to pursue this.
00:27:54.020And his constituents have identified that it doesn't matter.
00:27:58.120They'll find another way to kill each other.
00:28:01.120The problem is there's a compulsion to commit homicide here that has to be addressed.
00:28:07.200And it won't matter if you ban this or ban that.
00:28:09.700They're going to find an illegal way to obtain this or an illegal way to do that or do it a different way or just go about it another avenue.
00:28:18.460And the fundamental problem is the compulsion to commit murder.
00:28:23.080And until that's addressed, this problem will continue.
00:28:26.880So when his own constituents say that, his political opposition says that, gun owners say that, the gun lobby says that, basically everyone in Canada is telling him that the ban's not going to do anything.
00:28:42.580The police association, the police chiefs, they're all saying this isn't going to work.
00:28:48.260And he goes ahead and says, no, we're doing this anyway.
00:28:52.020And we're not just banning this, we're banning that.
00:28:55.020They're going for the whole nine yards now.
00:28:58.340And it proves without a doubt that the ban, it's ideological in nature and it is unsafe and it's getting people killed.
00:29:06.640It is getting people killed because we're not addressing the problem.
00:29:09.580And, you know, you look at what has happened with the liberals, you look at the statistics, it's, it's just a clear rising line since Justin Trudeau got in power.
00:29:22.780And there's multiple reasons for that.
00:29:26.120A, because our economy has been suffering, right?
00:29:30.160It's very tempting for a young person who can't get a job to go out and sell a bag of cocaine for a lot of money.
00:29:46.220The second problem is that they've been lowering penalties for serious crimes, not only for gun violence, but gun smuggling, for God's sakes.
00:29:57.000Like this is, this is the, the problem in itself.
00:29:59.940They pass legislation and you see Mendicino going on and on.
00:30:04.120And, oh, we're passing this and we're going to, we're going to, we're going to increase the penalties.
00:30:09.040And this, no, for the last seven years, you've been reducing them almost annually, creating excuses, excuses and slaps on the wrist for, these are serious crimes.
00:30:20.140And, you know, I'm all for, for giving someone a chance to rehabilitate.
00:30:25.940But when you've been put in prison 50 times and you go on a stabbing spree, okay, something is wrong with the justice system.
00:30:33.820And I want Canadians out there to think about something.
00:30:36.340Imagine if that man had been armed with a gun and gone on his spree, what Marco Mendicino, what Justin Trudeau would be saying on TV about gun owners right now and what they're going to do to us.
00:30:50.520And making it all the responsibility of someone like myself or someone like you, other peaceful, law-abiding gun owners.
00:30:58.680We would be getting all the blame for it.
00:31:00.280But just because it was a knife used, we'll just, they didn't even have much of a comment on it, you know.
00:31:07.080And at the end of the day, I want to stop this stuff from happening, right?
00:31:25.200The people in the cities, they're afraid of guns because people are shooting each other, right?
00:31:30.200I get that and I want to stop that, but you're not going to stop it by taking my firearms and you're not going to stop it by lightening the penalties on serious crime.
00:31:42.780And you're really, you're really not going to stop it when you promise money to law enforcement and border patrol and never deliver.
00:31:51.320You hear Marco, he talks, oh, we're going to give $330 million.
00:32:56.040I'm not allowing it to continue any longer.
00:32:59.740I'm going to assert my rights to own property in this country at all costs.
00:33:05.220You know, it's interesting because one of the reasons that they gave for dropping those mandatory minimums for a whole host of gun crimes was, well, we're battling systemic racism.
00:33:15.380Because minorities are largely the ones who end up being incarcerated because of these mandatory minimums.
00:33:26.260You are allowing gangsters and actual gun criminals, not paper criminals, back into minority neighborhoods to terrorize them while expending all your resources on law-abiding gun owners in the rest of the country.
00:33:42.620That feels like systemic racism when you are making these minority neighborhoods pay for your ideological agenda.
00:33:53.020Yeah, you know, I can't, I'm not a police officer on the Toronto streets.
00:34:01.000I can't comment on who's committing the crime or how communities out there are feeling.
00:34:32.700You know, now there's just as many and important issues on the other side of that argument that we should try and reach out and rehabilitate people when we can.
00:34:47.960There are people who can be saved and there are people who get involved in this drug stuff out of desperation.
00:35:07.760And it's not going to stop until we shut down the illegal guns, till we lock up the criminals, till we give the police the authority to go after these gangbangers.
00:35:16.000Like, think about what Justin Trudeau did.
00:35:18.580He declared an emergency act to arrest all these truckers, round them up and pepper spray them and seize their property and seize their bank.
00:35:29.020He seized people who donated to them for pizza.
00:35:31.760He enacted insane powers, like police state powers, to shut down people who are saying, hey, I'd like to be left alone and go back to work, please.