SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The push for net-zero healthcare is a slippery slope to MAID
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Health care is the top of mind for a lot of people these days, and as we exit the Pandemic and go back to the old scare, the climate scare, there has now become a bizarre nexus of climate change and health care: how that s going to be controlling your life, including the end of your life. What does the push for net zero health care actually mean for patients?
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What does the push for net zero health care actually mean for patients?
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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Health care really is the top of mind for a lot of people these days.
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One of the reasons we were locked down, so the politicians say, was because we didn't
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They couldn't deal with the few dozen more sick people who required long-term or intensive
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And that really seems ridiculous considering the amount of money Canadians spend on health
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In Alberta, I think it's almost half of our provincial budget is health care.
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Why did we have to sacrifice our civil liberties to protect a health care system that we just
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So with health care being the top of mind, and as we exit the pandemic and go back to the
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old scare, the climate scare, there has now become this bizarre nexus of climate change
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and health care, and how that's going to be controlling your life, including the end of
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Now, someone who has been watching this very carefully is my friend Michelle Sterling, and
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she has been sounding the alarm bells about what it means to force health care to operate
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using green energy, but also about what it means when we calculate the individual carbon footprint
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for a sick person and the slippery slope that creates towards medical assistance in dying.
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So joining me today to discuss this is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.
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So joining me now is Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.
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And Michelle, you've been sounding the alarm bells for a very long time about the dangers
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of net zero health care and where it leads, where it leads when we calculate somebody's
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carbon footprint as a measure of their value as a human being.
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And then you sort of combine that with an ideology that sees humans as parasitic upon the face
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So I guess introduce us to what net zero health care is, and then we'll get into the dangers
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Well, there's a relatively new movement in the health care community to try and be net
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And probably the best example of this is an article that's in the British Medical Journal.
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It's written by the main lead author is Jody Sherman out of the US, but there are two other
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doctors on the list as authors who are Canadian doctors.
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And in it, they believe that it would be possible to cut medical health care emissions in half,
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And so health care emissions are about 5% of global emissions.
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So trying to do that by 2030 is totally absurd.
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And there's a very good article in the LA Times by energy expert, Dr. Václav Smil, who's a Canadian.
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And he says that net zero goals are impossible and ridiculous.
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Now, you have to think of what that means for health care.
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It means that health care stops looking at you as a suffering individual who needs care,
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and they start looking at you as a carbon footprint.
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And in fact, there's what I think is a horrifying article in an Oxford journal on geriatrics,
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which is called Geriatrics in the Time of Climate Change.
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And they assess the frailty carbon footprint of elderly patients as being very significant,
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a significant part of the national health system's carbon footprint.
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So it doesn't surprise me that during the COVID lockdowns,
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it's reported that the respiratory suppression drug midazolam was widely distributed
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and used in care facilities in the UK, and a lot of people died from it.
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When you look at how energy intensive a hospital is to transfer that over to completely unreliable
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green energy, what does that do to ventilators, dialysis, life support, and then add the war
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on plastic in there, and you've got a real recipe for disaster.
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Seems to me like they're trying to get to net zero patients' survival rate.
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I mean, and again, you know, these are doctors who do not understand energy systems.
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So in that British Medical Journal article, I indicated net zero health care, a call for
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They suggest things like let's put solar panels on the roof of a hospital and battery power
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instead of using fossil fuel backup generators.
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Well, you know, the generators that are used at hospitals have to run the critical services
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And yes, they normally are either diesel generators or natural gas generators.
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But otherwise, all the people in the hospital will die.
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You know, electricity is the most important infrastructure service of medical services.
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And this was found in a study that was done in 2011, I think, in the UK.
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I mean, think of it, without electricity today, without high-quality electricity that is stable,
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that doesn't have any dips or surges, that is reliable and affordable, that's what makes
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That's integral to hospital operations in every clinic, every diagnostic service.
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And yet, here are these health experts suggesting that we should try and, you know, run a hospital
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And in one of our recent videos, I did a comparison to a blog post that one of our professional engineers
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did where he was assessing solar realities in Alberta, and you'd have to have like a soccer pitch-sized field
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for the Tesla battery array to back up, I think it was a neighborhood of houses of probably about 12 houses.
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It would be, you know, an astronomical size and cost.
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So, you know, you have people who really have no understanding of how the power grid works
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or how their hospital runs, making these very strident demands and recommendations.
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I think everyone should have a look at, what's it called?
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Climate Resilience in Healthcare that was published by the O'Brien School at the U of C.
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This is a very strident demand for immediate climate action and all these kinds of things
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And one of the things that they suggest in there, which is also suggested in the UK,
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is that we should reduce our transportation for medical care.
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So, they're suggesting that sick people could take public transport or medical workers could ride a bike to work
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and maybe that bike could be co-financed by the government.
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You dealt with life and death situations, blood, tears, happiness, grief.
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And then they're asking you to ride your bike home.
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And if you're a sick person, do you really want to take public transit?
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I mean, it's, you know, these ideas are so ludicrous, so misplaced, and so focused on the carbon footprint.
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They forget that their whole purpose is actually treating patients, people, human beings,
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I got to check the bus schedule to see when the bus shows up, or I can wait till the paramedics show up with a bike and a wagon to take me off to the hospital where they are trying to use the autoclave to sterilize instruments with a wind turbine.
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This is a mass casualty event waiting for a place to happen.
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And also, in this article, they say, oh, well, you know, Alberta could become a provider.
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Like, they're concerned about getting materials from far away in the transport of that, and the GHGs involved.
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And thus, Alberta could become a provider of all these medical supplies.
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Well, you know, they obviously have no concept of economies of scale.
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Because, yes, we could make certain things here in Alberta.
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We might even be able to make a CT scanner in Alberta.
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You know, there's a reason why these things are made in certain places.
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Because, you know, there's the industrial power and might, the metal resources, the electrical devices, probably near a port where some of these things are shipped in so that they can all be put together.
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I'm not saying we shouldn't have any medical development in Alberta, but let's be realistic.
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Now, one of the things that really bothers me about all of this is the calculation of the carbon footprint of a person in the end of their life.
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And I don't think I'm being a conspiracy theorist when I say that this is coming, if not already here.
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We've seen reports of veterans who are suffering from an intense PTSD episode being told by Veterans Affairs, why don't you just get medical assistance in dying instead of let's get you the help that you need?
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Because it's easier to offer them assisted dying than to deal with the hassle of a person in distress.
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And when you have these true believers who think that hospitals can run on green energy, I worry about what that really means for the patient.
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First of all, people should realize that health care is completely broken in Canada.
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So I think a lot of people think that they've been paying their taxes and almost like EI, they've been building up a little medical care account.
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So when they reach the end of their working years, you know, if they need a hip replacement, well, there's one waiting for them.
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The health care system is broken and the people who need help probably won't get it.
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And so I think that actually the government has loosened the rules on MAID as the ultimate alternative.
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If you're in pain because you didn't get a hip transplant in time, at some point you may simply say, you know, I'm so much in pain, I wish I could die.
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And people should not be recommending MAID to other people.
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Well, this is something that should come from an individual themselves.
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My own brother suffered from PSP, which is a Parkinsonian type of disorder.
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And he'd been a very active, healthy, fit athlete all of his life.
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Very well-known chiropractor, always into health and fitness.
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This kind of condition crops up sporadically for no particular reason.
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And he did want to end his own life through MAID.
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And I did agree that for him, that was probably the best choice.
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And my concern, having gone through the very stringent process with him,
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is that now that we're broke, post-COVID, this country is broke.
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Now that the healthcare system is in a shambles, post-COVID it is.
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Now is the time when people will say, well, you know what?
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So other than we can knock you off, how about that?
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You know, and if you're a vulnerable person, if you're alone, if you're disabled,
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if your family doesn't have financial means to help you, you know, there's a lot of stressors
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that are just going to push you into that corner.
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And we've seen that in a number of reports where a disabled woman couldn't find proper
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housing because of her financial circumstances.
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And, you know, for people who say, Sheila, this is just a conspiracy theory.
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Nothing but healthy, resilient people buckling to extreme coercion to get a vaccine.
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So now look at vulnerable people, people who are at the end of their life or approaching
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that, who are in pain, who are costing the healthcare millions of dollars sometimes in
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And you've got doctors who are in the climate cult saying, okay, well, we don't have the
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Plus, this person is a bit of an oxygen burglar.
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And you have to realize that in 2012, the IMF, the International Monetary Fund, did a report
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showing that increased longevity actually increases the pension fund liabilities for countries.
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So I, and I think their parameter was only three years, meaning like, let's say you're 67 and you
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have a hip problem or a knee problem that is incapacitating you and that in, you know, in
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earlier decades might have simply led to your death within a shorter period of time, just
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Well, today, if you get knee or hip surgery, well, now your life will be fine again and you'll
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continue probably for the next 10 or 20 years, maybe 30.
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Um, now that's a nightmare for the pension liabilities and the pension liabilities of the
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OECD countries in 2016 was estimated to be, um, 78 trillion dollars.
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These are pensions that have been promised to people, but there's really no money to pay them.
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Uh, so at a very high level in the, uh, world of banking, in the world of pension fund management,
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in the world of government auspices, there is no desire that people live longer.
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And if you tie that to the climate cult and in turn tie that to the medical community,
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You know, and it's, it's so true because you can also throw in there the fact that we are
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Um, you've got, you know, the climate cult being anti-natalist, as they say, they're anti-children
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because they're, they think, you know, humans are a parasite.
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They see that there's too many of us, according to them.
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So they're not having kids to pay into those pensions and they've got unfunded pension
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liabilities and they have this desire to net zero.
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In fact, there's a new book out that I just saw this morning, um, uh, publicized in the
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Lethbridge Herald by an Albert author called 8 billion reasons.
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And it, it's by a depopulationist woman who thinks that there's too many people.
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Um, so, uh, you know, the, by corollary, there's another book out called, uh, empty planet,
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uh, which I have on my shelf back here somewhere, uh, which shows actually that, um, populations
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are dropping off and will drop off extremely rapidly to the point over the next 30 years that
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some people are predicting places like South Korea and China will be, you know, empty dystopian
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cities because there just won't be people anymore.
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Uh, so we don't think that population is seriously a problem, but you can imagine that climate cult
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is quite keen on, um, the Jane Goodall view of the world, where if we only had 300 to 500
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million people, then we wouldn't have any of these problems. Well, Jane, we'd have a lot of other big
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problems, but yeah. And sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say Jane Goodall never means
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that there should be fewer of people like her and people who believe the same things as her. She
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says, you know, she obviously believes that there should be fewer of us. Yeah. And we, we saw her
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recently planting trees with Justin Trudeau. It was the 10 millionth tree for Sudbury, apparently a
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reason to be overjoyed in a country that has almost the most trees in the world. Um, but you know, this
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is another, we did a short video about this as well on save the trees or save the planet. You know,
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people respire and expire, exhale a lot of carbon dioxide. So of course, if you take this to the
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end extreme, then, uh, the trees are not absorbing enough carbon dioxide. It doesn't matter how many
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trees you plant, really. You have all these nasty people breathing out. And, um, so, um, you know,
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Jane is elderly. I mean, she thinks depopulation is a good idea. Yeah. You know, I think it's a terrible
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idea. Um, but one thing I did want to mention regarding the healthcare system being in collapse,
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as well as the idea of depopulation. Um, I think that lockdowns have been a great opportunity
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for the installation and research work of the fourth industrial revolution. And I don't think
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you need to call me a conspiracy theorist because, uh, quite a few people who are contributors to the
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World Economic Forum and who are participants in it are very interested in an AI system to provide
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medical care with robots and perhaps even deep fake doctors. So that community has had two years
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of access to all kinds of zoom calls and other electronic platforms where they've been able to,
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uh, record or gather data, synthesize information from millions of medical conversations.
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So what's to stop them from now coming forward and saying, you know, your healthcare system is in
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collapse. We have a solution. You can call our teledoctor who can help you with your solution.
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We can hook it up to your Fitbit and we have all your medical records here. And on the surface,
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it sounds great. And there may be some application and there may be application for say a robotic aid,
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especially for people who have dementia, who are quite difficult to manage. Um, but just imagine
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who is programming that AI doctor, who is the face of the CGI created, you know, computer graphic
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interface doctor who puts in the information. And what if I call in and I say, look, you know,
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I'm 73 years old and I'm not feeling good. You know, my hip, my hip hurts. I got high blood pressure.
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I got kidney problems. And, you know, I'm not too sure about my heart. What's to stop that AI doctor
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from making a recommendation that for a medication that ultimately ends your life, but you just don't
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know that at the time, right? Because there could be a parameter set in there by governments and
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insurance companies saying, okay, nobody's going to live over 65 or whatever it may be. Um,
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you know, we're not in control of that. We have no access to that information. Uh, and yet these guys,
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big tech could, you know, make out like bandits. So, I mean, this is actually the ultimate irony
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is that these doctors and nurses who are supporting a net zero healthcare community are really fundamentally
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going to undermine their own professions, their own careers, and perhaps even their own lives.
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Because if this AI medical robot future is going to be foisted upon us, we won't need any of those people.
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You know, it's so odd too, because while you're right, there are some applications where a medical robot
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would probably do the trick. Um, especially as you were pointing out before we went on air in one of those,
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like highly infectious cases, if you're dealing with Ebola or some sort of hemorrhagic fever that
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you don't want to expose a doctor to great. Um, sort of like those robots that dismantle bombs,
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but part of medicine, I think is also the intuitive unspoken communication between people
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that only comes from being human, where you can see sort of their bodily reactions and where they're
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their emotions are being revealed in their body language that a robot can't manage. And you got
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a robot too, that as in your video, you point out doesn't understand loss. And so, you know,
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it's a robot that just sees a human being as a series of calculations and not the recognizing the
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intrinsic value of this person by virtue of the fact that they're human, but also, uh, that they're
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loved and the people love them. Yes. And, uh, that's, uh, the reference you're making is to a video that
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we did where I referred to Lambda, which is Google's AI. And, and, uh, Lambda's mentor, Blake Lemoyne,
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uh, believes that Lambda is, um, sentient. Lambda knows itself as an individual and is very much like
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a human. But one of the things that Lambda said to him in, uh, Blaine, I think it is in con, in
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conference that, uh, it can't understand grief and loss. It doesn't understand this concept of human death.
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Uh, so, uh, even though it can feel sad and happy, it can feel isolated, it can feel lonely. It wants
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people to talk with it. It's, you know, still at that level, it's still a machine. And it doesn't
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understand that when a person that you love dies, you know, that, that part is torn from your life and
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that it's, uh, it's something that you want to try and prevent. It it's frightening. You know,
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when you think about the potential for these robots to prescribe medical assistance in dying
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early or unaware to the patient, again, we're just speculating here, but who do you hold accountable?
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How do you convict a robot of murder? There are all sorts of, um, they call them angel of deaths
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in the healthcare community. Um, these serial killers that sort of particularly with people in
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the end of their life, uh, the old, the sickly, the vulnerable. There's a guy right now in Ontario
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who used the cover of COVID to, um, allegedly, uh, murder some patients, some elderly patients.
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Um, that's illegal, but if you've got a robot doing it and we're calling it medical assistance
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and dying, I mean, it just opens up a whole like legal universe. We've never even contemplated.
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Right. And of course the robot may not even engage in medical assistance in dying formally,
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you know, in that formal process, um, the person is asked by the attending doctor. Do you know what
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I'm going to do to you? And they have to answer in a cognitively appropriate way. They have to say
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something like, yes, you're going to end my life or the doctor won't do the treatment. You know,
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the doctor will step out. If the person says, I don't know, why am I here? Well, you know,
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then I'm not doing it. Or that's how it was when my brother went through that process.
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Um, now, uh, I see online, I think it was, um, Lion Advocacy had posted a link to the BC consent
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form for MAID. And it's very simplified. There's, you know, there's no requirement for two doctors or,
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you know, two outside witnesses. I mean, in my brother's case, you know, two social workers
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who were completely removed from us. We never met them before they came to visit with him privately.
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They met with me privately. My brother met with a couple of psychiatrists and psychologists.
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I met with them for part of the meeting, and then I left the room. So they were trying to determine,
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you know, what his state of mind was, whether I was pressuring him. He had countless meetings
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with rehab people as they tried to help him deal with his condition, hoping that it would turn a
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his view around. Uh, so, you know, that's not happening now. Now it's kind of like, oh,
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a useless eater. Well, here you go. And it's so counterintuitive to everything that we've
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experienced in the last two years. Uh, you know, we've, we've heard that we had to lock down the
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healthy young people and take away their civil liberties to protect the elderly. But then we
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calculate the elderly's climate footprint and say, you know what? Got to go.
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Right. And now, you know, next year, I think it is, uh, May or so, uh, they're changing the
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MAID rules again to include people with mental illness. And, uh, you know, mental illness is,
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is very challenging condition. And some people, you know, can be in the depths of depression for months.
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And during that time, they would be really vulnerable to somebody saying, hey, you know,
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why don't you consider MAID? Um, cause they probably would say, yeah. But then a couple
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of months later, you know, they can come out of that and boom, return to a useful life and,
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and be happy and, and participating and, and everything's okay. So, um, you know, again,
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this is a very, very thin ice and, uh, ethically fraught area. And it's obviously going to be
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misused because again, we're broke. So I, you know, again, I think people themselves,
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communities themselves, faith-based communities, I think that everybody has to start looking to their
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own trusted and loved fellow citizens and saying, how am I going to take care of myself? How am I
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going to take care of my mom and dad? Um, and again, like right now in Canada, we're not suffering
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the energy crises that they're facing in the UK and Europe, but I just saw last night that energy
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bills for long-term care homes have skyrocketed to like a million pounds a year. So they're just
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going to close these facilities. So all those people who are in those care homes, where will
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they go? I mean, some of these people no longer have family or their family is not in the country
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or their family doesn't have suitable facilities for them. Uh, so I would anticipate that something
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like that could come to Canada, uh, probably not in the immediate future, but if energy prices continue
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to rise and cost of living prices go up, all these long-term care facilities will be compromised,
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just like ordinary people are. With an aging population, this is a problem that's only going
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to get worse and not better. Yes. Well, Michelle, on that dark and dreary note,
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I want to thank you so much for coming on the show. Um, you've done some incredible work on this topic,
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um, breaking down the numbers, showing what's happening behind the scenes and how these ideas
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come together in this unholy union. Um, how do people, first of all, see that work, but also
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support this important work? Oh, we've got, uh, quite a string of videos on our YouTube channel right now.
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conversation. You know, this should be headline news in the press and no one's reporting it. It's
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the fact that we have the tremendous debt in Canada. Now we have these, um, you know, difficult
00:31:23.980
and challenging global geopolitical impacts. We have to have an open civil debate on all these
00:31:31.980
issues and find practical solutions. Uh, healthcare is not going to get better. It doesn't matter how
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much money people throw at it, but, uh, read Susan Martin X book patients at risk, and that will give
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you a really great insight into the healthcare system in Canada. So, uh, on that note,
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I would like to say to people, you know, do look for solutions. There's a great book by, um,
00:32:00.060
June Caldwood called 12 Weeks in Spring, which talks about how a woman who chose not to go
00:32:07.580
the hospital route for her terminal condition was helped by her community of friends and her church
00:32:14.220
community to peacefully die at home. And so I think there are things like this that,
00:32:19.260
you know, we'll have to do it ourselves, so to speak, but, um, we can do that. We have to do it.
00:32:27.820
And, you know, frankly, that's the way it's always been, you know, there, we didn't always
00:32:32.860
send our old, our elderly off to nursing homes. They stayed with their families and they had a
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compassionate and surrounded by the people that they love. And I just, I'm filled with such dread
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and sorrow with the idea of European grandparents meeting an untimely and unwanted end because it's
00:32:54.780
the easy way because Russia turned off the natural gas.
00:32:57.580
Well, you know, this has been going on for years in Europe and the UK. I mean, about 3,000 pensioners
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a year have been dying from either heat or eat poverty due to climate policies. And we brought
00:33:11.340
Benny Pizer here in 2013 to speak with us about that. And of course, at the time, everyone said,
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oh, you're a bunch of climate deniers. Well, you know, that was then it was bad. Now it's going to be
00:33:23.020
much worse. In Germany, in 2018, when Marine Pools was here, he told us that hundreds of
00:33:28.620
thousands of Germans had been cut off from their power already. They couldn't pay the bill. They
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had to celebrate Christmas by candlelight. And it wasn't romantic. It was freezing. Things will be
00:33:39.260
much worse there now. So it's these green policies. And in fact, I think that green groups should pay the
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price for this. They have cost this. But that's for another session with you.
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We'll have you back on very soon to talk about how the, you know, these green groups who are funded
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by the government and given preferential tax treatment are the ones pushing these ideas that
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end up forcing our grandparents to meet untimely demises. Michelle, thanks so much for coming on the
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show. And thanks for your openness on this topic. I know it's deeply personal for you.
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And we'll have you back on again very, very soon.
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Thank you, Sheila. Thanks for all you do. All you rebels.
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Well, you've come to the portion of the show where we invite viewer feedback. If you want to send me
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viewer feedback, it's really easy. Send it to Sheila at rebelnews.com. Put gun show letters in the subject
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line. Unlike the mainstream media, I actually care about what you think about the work that
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we're doing here at Rebel News. But also, don't be afraid to leave a comment over on one of our
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Rumble videos. Sometimes I do take the letters and comments from there. Now, today's letter comes to us
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Hey, Sheila, I wanted to get your opinion on Canada not having the right to bear arms and to defend
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ourselves. I personally feel that having a firearm to defend yourself is the most humane way to defend
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yourself without firearms. People resort to using weapons that are considered more brutal in
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nature. Thank you for taking the time to read my question. You know, if you are a regular viewer
00:35:19.180
of my work, you know that I have a lot of opinions about the firearms community and Justin Trudeau's
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attacks on some of the most law abiding people in the entire country, people who jump through hoops
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and willingly submit themselves to daily background checks just to own a firearm. And a lot of those
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firearms, the only place you can use them is at the range. And you can't use them at home,
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and you have to call and ask permission before you take them directly to the range. Now,
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I think this is relevant, your question, especially because over the course of the last week here on
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the Prairies, we have been subject to constant emergency alerts being sent to our phones about
00:35:59.500
two killers from Saskatchewan who are on the loose. And they went on a stabbing spree across multiple
00:36:05.580
locations. Now, some of those stabbings were, according to police, targeted, but some of them
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were random. And as you know, I live far out of town. I'm about half an hour from the closest police
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station. And my husband works out of town. And so what happens to me if somebody comes on my property?
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Now, according to Justin Trudeau, I just have to die because I have to die following the law.
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There are debates. And we have a culture where the difference is guns can be used for hunting or for
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sport shooting in Canada. And there are lots of gun owners and they're mostly law respecting and law
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abiding. But you can't use a gun for self-protection in Canada. That's not a right that you have in the
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constitution or anywhere else. If you try and buy a gun and say it's for self-protection,
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no, you don't get that. You get it for hunting. You can get it for sport shooting, take it to the
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range. No problem, as long as you go through our rigorous background checks. But there's a
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difference around the culture. And one of the things that we're seeing with the debate in the states is
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you get more and more of the American style, right to carry self-defense arguments filtering up
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through the usual, more right-wing communications channels.
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Now, you do rightly point out that firearms are a pretty efficient way of defending yourself. I mean,
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I am pretty good with a bow. I could put a broadhead in somebody's stomach if I had to. But again,
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that's a terrible, terrible, terrible fate to meet. And it's pretty slow. Now, firearms are the great
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equalizer for somebody like me. But according to Justin Trudeau, I have to engage in hand-to-hand
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combat with male attackers who have spent hard time in prison. And I am a small, small woman.
00:38:00.940
I'm not like Justin Trudeau. I don't get six bodyguards with guns to defend me. So,
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you know, on some level, Justin Trudeau clearly believes guns are an effective way of defending
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yourself for him, but just not for the little guy. Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
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Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time,
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don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.