SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ The UN conference to ban personal firearms just wrapped up
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The UN conference to ban your personal firearms just wrapped up, and Canada s National Firearms Association has just returned from five grueling days in New York City fighting for property rights at the United Nation's RevCon 4. The meeting convenes every six years to scheme ways to use the illegal trade in small arms to ban legal firearms from law-abiding gun owners.
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the UN conference to ban your personal firearms just wrapped up Canada's National Firearms
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Association has just returned from five grueling days in New York City the NFA was in New York
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fighting for property rights at the United Nations Rev Con 4 that's the fourth review conference of
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the United Nations program of action to prevent combat and eradicate the illicit trade of small
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and light weapons in all its aspects it's a real mouthful but that's meant to obscure what it's all
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about it's a program to prevent combat and eradicate personal firearms use the meeting convenes every
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six years to scheme ways to use the illegal trade in small arms to ban legal firearms from law-abiding
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gun owners thankfully the Canadian government delegation which had a focus on disarming women
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for some reason to combat domestic violence was offset with some common sense ideas from the
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National Firearms Association who worked closely with their American counterparts to have these bad
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UN ideas thankfully watered down. NFA President Rick Igersich joins the show tonight to discuss what
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shook out at the UN and why we should be concerned about the so-called non-binding UN declaration. Rick
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also updates us on an email from the Canadian Firearms Office that license holders including me
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received Monday night and his upcoming video podcast on Bill C-21 with the gun blog on Thursday night. Take a listen.
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Thanks for having me on again Sheila it's always nice to be on your show. Yes we actually
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uh uh the NFA has an NGO uh seat at the United Nations we're the only gun uh we're the only gun advocacy
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group in Canada that has a seat at the at the United Nations so uh we've been there uh over the last few
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years but it's uh it's getting uh important more important now that we show up there uh there's a lot
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of stuff going on at the United Nations right now uh I was there and uh it's it's uh I'll actually read it
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here because it's it's quite uh it's quite uh a name they have it I was there for the fourth United
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Nations conference to review progress made in the implementation of the program of action short form
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POA to prevent combat eradicate the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects
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uh the short form for it is RevCon 4. So what it says it's it's supposed to be about
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illicit firearms but at the end of the day it's about all firearms uh the United Nations uh this
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is my first experience at the United Nations it's uh quite a different uh place to be at
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we were there uh Ginger Fournier our general manager and I attended for five days and it was grueling
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it was absolutely grueling we spent every day basically from 10 o'clock to five or six o'clock
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in the evening listening to different countries from around the world with their perspectives
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about firearms illicit firearms firearms ownership and uh where where it's going most of it for the
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first three or four days they what they do is they they try to make amendments every day and put out a
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different revision every day it started off mostly talking about gender-based violence with illicit
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firearms domestic violence with illicit firearms uh violence against women and children again with
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illicit firearms which really they're using the word illicit firearms but they're meaning firearms in
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general it actually got as far as to say the illicit use of firearms is responsible for climate change
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that's uh yes they actually made that statement it's in it's actually in the final document uh that uh
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they're they're actually calling uh climate change is due to illicit uh the illicit use of firearms
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that uh I almost fell out of my chair when I heard that Sheila it was unbelievable
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so what went on is they every day it was developing countries mostly speaking on this stuff so every
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day everybody had a chance to speak that wanted to speak I'll get into the Canadian delegation a little
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later but I'll just start off with the basics first the the Canadian delegation was a challenge also
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but anyway I'll just get on to uh I'll get on to the basics so every day these people from these
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developing countries had this prepared document speech that they presented to the president of uh of the
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united nations and they went on about uh you know how illicit firearms and firearms in general are causing
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havoc in their countries due to uh you know the the illegal importation of firearms uh it mostly against
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gender-based it's mostly gender-based violence domestic violence is is the next biggest player
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then of course the women and children uh they played that routine so each each day these countries
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made these uh made these uh uh presentations then they argued on then then there's a few countries that
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oppose this stuff and they're actually countries that we really shouldn't be associated with like
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Cuba Russia Ukraine uh Egypt where they were opposed to this stuff because they were using
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they were they're they were trying to uh put in place words like gender instead of sex you know
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and there's a a big a big uh uh back and forth ensued after that you know it should be gender
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instead of sex and uh of course these these uh it wasn't all developing nations but it's mostly
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developing nations went back and forth on this gender and sex thing and uh so they'd clear it up
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they'd soften it up for the next uh for the next amendment the next revision the following day
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and they kept uh they kept doing that so what we were doing as Canada's national firearms i just want
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to say uh the nfa will be attending united nations as long as Canada has a delegation there because we need
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somebody from Canada to challenge the Canadians at the end of the day they're on the they're on the
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they're on an opposite page we are we approached uh Ginger and I approached the delegate from Canada
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so I said to her I introduced myself I had never met her before I introduced myself and I said I'm here
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representing Canada's national firearms association and law-abiding firearms owners from Canada
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she says well I'm here uh I'm my fixed point is domestic violence on a global level I'm not
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familiar with any firearms related events in Canada I go you're kidding basically and uh she says no I'm
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just here I'm just here to deal with uh with the world stuff so at the end of the day it was uh it was
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futile even to speak to her anymore during the meetings but luckily I uh myself and uh the nfa has
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developed really good connections with some other groups over the last three years since I've been
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doing this international stuff uh one of them a couple of them actually are out of the states
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Americans and there's some uh there's a couple out of the European Union that are uh that are on our
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sites so what we did any point we needed to get across to have a to have delegates speak about we
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talked to our American colleagues they passed it on to the delegates and got it out on the floor
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so at the end of the day the end of the day we've we've got some of our points across uh you know we
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there's there's a lot of stuff in here and uh the big one was I didn't even get to that I haven't
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even spoke about what we were really focused on and what we were focused on were a couple of things
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the big thing was tracing of firearms and parts what the UN wants is to mark every part on a firearm
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including the smallest spring so they can if this firearm turns up somewhere on the planet they can trace
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that part back to its original origin there's a couple problems with that number one the way lawsuits
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go these days and somebody something happens with that firearm it opens up the possibility of suing
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the guy that made that spring in I don't know where opens them up to a lawsuit the other problem is
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when you're talking marking parts on a firearm you're talking doubling or tripling the price of
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that firearm so in my opinion what they're trying to do by doing this again is like the Canadian
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government does is trying they're trying to they're trying to get rid of firearms by attrition
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they're killing us by attrition it's the same it's the same deal worldwide as it is in Canada the
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thing about the United Nations they make all these proclamations you know that at the at the end of
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this conference they made I don't know 80 or 90 proclamations proclamations are not enforceable
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United Nations proclamations are not enforceable oh they they can only be put into place if a
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government like ours takes them and uses them which no doubt Justin Trudeau will take and put these
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into place that's why that's why they had their delegate there they had their delegate there
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talking about domestic violence because as you know Sheila things are starting to run pretty thin as
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far as using firearms as as uh as uh as an election issue so now they're now they're stretching it on to
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the domestic use of fire or the the violence domestic violence related to firearms that's where they're
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that's where they're pushing the issue these days so I have no doubt that's why she was there to get
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it out on the world stage you know you know give uh you know give Canada you know give Canada's
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position on the world stage uh to uh it's it's all about it's all about elections and money if if you
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if you want to simplify it this whole United Nations it's all about it's all about getting getting your
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the government elected by using some of these proclamations and money my next point money
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third world countries all these people show up there they're all appointed because of family
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stuff no doubt you know I that that's my that's my assessment of it anyway they yeah they show up with
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these written documents the guy shows up he reads off a piece of paper and talks about what's going on
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his country and why he thinks firearms the cause of it he goes on for an hour some some of these guys
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go on for an hour and then at the end of it well you know what though we can't really uh be here
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anymore because we haven't got the funds we haven't got the funds to uh continue with the United Nations
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and at the end of the day the United Nations has no funds either their coffers are empty
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so these people basically have this rehearsed program spiel that they give to the United Nations
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and at the end at the end of it at the end of the spiel and every one of them every one of them
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and I sit there I listen to them for five days it all comes down to we need money to keep going to
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keep this fight against illicit firearms going I'm listening to you talk about the illicit firearms UN
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people and I'm thinking this is the same garbage they pull with the climate change stuff so they say
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they make all these proclamations which are unenforceable the Paris Accord was unenforceable
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until Justin Trudeau took it home and passed laws to make it enforceable here at least enforce the
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targets here which is exactly what he plans to do with these gun control proclamations and then it is
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exactly the same with the developing nations coming there cozying up to whatever progressive issue there
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is and saying the only solution to this is for you to give me more money climate change gun control
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exactly the same thing we're just this little weenie teeny developing country we can't fight
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climate change unless you give us a gazillion dollars and it's the same thing we can't fight
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crime in our country how dare you ask us to pass local laws to deal with illicit drugs
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you're gonna have to give us a bunch of money united states eu canada that's the only way we can
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keep our people safe it's this just wash rinse repeat it's the same formula over and over again
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name the progressive issue at the united nations this is how it happens yeah you know the thing is
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you know Justin Trudeau is all about giving uh united nations and developing countries money
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while the infrastructure in canada is falling apart you know people people people can't afford
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housing people people can't even drive to work for the price of fuel but oh we got no problem we'll uh
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we'll just raise the carbon tax a little more and uh and uh spread this money out around the world and
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that's why most of these people are at the are attending there it's all it's all a facade with
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their big long uh you know practiced uh rehearsed statements at the end of the day all they want is
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money in my opinion that's why they're there yep yep so at the end of it at the end of it they did
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soften a lot of the proclamations up due to our our work with the americans you know because
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united nations is a funny thing they need to they need for their i call it for their peace of mind but
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they need every they need everybody to agree before they move forward so the only way to get them to
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agree is keep softening stuff till everybody agrees and after five grueling well actually
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it was two weeks long because the the written submission or the the verbal submissions were a
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week before that i we weren't there for that we we we uh followed them uh we followed them on on
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on the web but we weren't there to actually uh sit there and witness it because uh
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at the end of it we were just too busy to take two weeks to sit at the united nations and listen to
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the uh uh i'll bleep myself out here but anyway uh the bull uh because uh it it it's the same old
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thing over and over again from country to country again it's the same it's repetitive it's the same
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thing and the and the end game is the same with all of it but like i started to say at the when the
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the final revision the the sixth draft of it was uh was put forward it was a lot of stuff was softened
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up but at the end of the day none of it means anything uh it only it's only effective with good
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with the type of government we have around because the liberals are taking oh yeah the end the united
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nations suggested we do this this and this let's do this let's you know let's start marking fire
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parts you know and the second part of that too which i i probably should have touched on that
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i didn't even touch on is ammunition marking ammunition marking has been part of the international
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tracing instrument for the last three or four years now this started off it wasn't a part of this
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revcon this revcon these revcon discussions they interjected it into these discussions and what i think
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what i need to clarify what ammunition marking is they want to mark every component of a cartridge
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that includes the bullet the case the powder and the primer for the same reason they want to do
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parts tracing of firearms they want to do that with ammunition now so what they want to do and
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what's that well they jack the price up and then you start they stop you from hoarding ammo
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like exactly who likes ammo on sale it never goes on sale anymore no because the manufacturers
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now to put uh to mark the powder they have to put a specific trace element into the powder
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so they can trace it to a batch lot it's i i sit on the world forum of shooting activities which is uh
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which is a european think tank where we discuss this stuff uh we discuss this stuff a lot
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they what they wanted what what their plan is the same thing is tracing the parts if
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a cartridge shows up at some event that involved the firearm they can trace that back to the
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manufacturer basically probably to the month that it was manufactured and it opens up the same deal
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again it's nothing more than another avenue for these people to go after firearms manufacturers
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and ammunition manufacturers the other part of the ammunition thing is stockpiling nobody can give
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you a definition of what a stockpile is if you've got a 500 uh box of remington thunderbolt 22s at your
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residence that you use for dispatching gophers on your farm that might be considered a stockpile
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initially stockpiling was all about military stockpiling and of course these people from across
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the planet basically put it or incorporated into civilian ownership of ammunition and that's what it's
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all about at the end of the day my conclusion at the end of the day is the united nations mandate is
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to get rid of all firearms and all ammunition all civilian ownership of firearms and ammunition
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that's it that's that's the end game there's no doubt about it because these are the same governments
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who say first of all we're going to hand out illicit drugs but we won't put traceability measures
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into the illicit drugs but they want and those are illegal things that that are poisoning our young
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people but they want to trace the powder in my gopher dispatching mechanism it's just bizarre it makes
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no sense and then they throw in domestic violence into the mix as though disarming women somehow makes
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them safer from domestic violence we are indeed the smaller sex regardless of what the trans activists like
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to say uh it's funny because a lot of the stuff is canadian related when i did my thing at the senate
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and you know that was my first question from one of the one of the liberal senators well rick don't you
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feel that women would feel a lot safer in their residence if if their spouse didn't have any firearms
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you know i might reply to that wouldn't they feel safer if uh you didn't have any steak knives in the
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house it doesn't make any sense none of it no of course not somebody like me whose husband works
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away in the oil patch all the time i'm a half an hour from the closest rcmp detachment how do they
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think disarming me would make me feel safer they never all they think about is the women who live
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in the 600 square foot coffin with a cat in downtown toronto they don't think that there are different
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kinds of women in this country who who have a different viewpoint on this issue rick i wanted to
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talk to you uh about something before we run out of time and i know people don't care if i go long
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but i'm sure you're busy and i'm busy um before we jumped on the call here uh before i started
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recording i said hey rick did you get your email from the cfo today and apparently you had gotten
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your uh email from the cfo earlier um and it is about uh the some of the first implementations of
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bill c21 they announced uh that the government of canada i'll just read directly from the email
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has announced that the requirement to have a valid pal to transfer a firearm barrel or handgun slide
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so now it's on parts too and the requirement to have a valid pal to import these parts ammunition
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and cartridge magazines will take effect on september 1st 2024 and then they give the link for the
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information and other measures that are already in effect they list those businesses and individuals
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may only transfer cartridge magazines to an individual that holds a valid pal national freeze
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on handguns changes to the definition of a prohibited firearm red flag laws as though we didn't already
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have a version of those and the addition of new criminal code offenses and additional measures they
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promise will take effect at a later date now you told me that you have a discussion coming up
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with our friends at the gun blog about what those additional measures might be yeah uh we've got uh we've got
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an nfa talk thursday night at eight o'clock eastern time ontario time with nicholas johnson from the gun blog
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and nicholas has been following this very closely at the at the government level and at the rcmp level
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we will be discussing these points these amendments and uh as everybody knows these amendments were when
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uh when the when the c21 discussions were going on they uh put into place all these amendments at the end
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i think everybody was you know was getting weary and tired of being at the c21 uh at this at the sec uh
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sec uh secu meetings there and uh and everybody was getting everybody was getting tired and they just
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put you know i don't know 80 or 90 of these amendments in in place what and uh now they're starting to
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enact them and uh apparently they're going to be enforcing them now you know and and their whole thing was
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well you know we have to start uh keeping track of slides and barrels because of 3d printing and ghost
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guns why not go after the bad guys why go after the good guys on this stuff you know stop this stop the
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illicit import of uh of firearms into canada stop stop stop purchases stop stop ghost guns but uh that's
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not the that's not the liberals approach is you know the liberals the liberals approach is you know we'll
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just put uh more rules and rigs into place for law-abiding canadians instead of uh where the
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problem really lies uh we i speaking of these amendments the one i'm waiting for to pop up is
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a firearms advisory committee because it was part of the creation of a the recreation of the firearms
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advisory committee was going to be part of these amendments and i'm just waiting for that to come up
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we've applied for a position on that the chances of get us getting on that committee are really slim
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i i spoke to terry bryant from alberta and she suggested that we get on it the alberta cfo was
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going to try to get on it if they put that into place the problem with that is and i know we're short
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on time here but they can basically attach the order in council to the end of c21 through a firearms
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advisory committee so even if there's no doubt in my opinion that there's going to be a government
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change right now the way it sits pier poliev can get rid of the order in council with a stroke of a
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pen but if something happens before that this firearms advisory committee moves forward they attach the
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order of council the 15 or 18 or 1900 guns whatever it is now to the end of uh as an amendment to
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c21 it's going to be a lot harder to get rid of because c21 is a law i spoke to i've spoke to uh
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uh poliev and you know he said you know he's going to get rid of the order in council right away and
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he's going to he's c21 is a little it's a little different you know it's they almost have to put an
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opposing bill in to get uh to get our stuff back our handguns and get rid of some of these amendments
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mags and the slide and barrel issue that you mentioned still has to go through the senate though
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and uh the senate is overloaded with liberals and independents right now it's going to be it's going to
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be a tough goal i'm sure he's up to the challenge but at the end of the day we have to either make a
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government change really quick and from what i'm hearing from our lobbyists in ottawa there's
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uh things are just in an uproar between the ndp and and the liberals right now and uh the stuff and
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actually there's an uproar in inside the liberal party from what i've been hearing uh apparently our
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prime yeah yeah a prime minister hasn't even been showing up to uh to meetings to discuss his future
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so yeah i don't know what's going to become of that uh judmeet singh seems to be hanging in there
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for his pension which is unfortunate because he's he's uh hurting his own party he's hurting himself
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by doing it he show again my opinion he's showing his true colors he's in there for the money and
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nothing else and uh i i don't know what's going to happen but these these back to this c21 there's so
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many amendments there and they'll slowly put them into place which is gonna which is gonna lock us down
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very hard more than people were expecting so we'll be discussing that on thursday night with
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nicholas johnson from the gun blog uh nicholas is he's he's done an in-depth study on this
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uh we him and i talk on about this stuff all the time so if you can come out have a have a listen
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and maybe we can get some more information out there to uh to the people yeah i really admire the work
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nicholas does as somebody who deals in access to information all the time that man is a very
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powerful journalist who does not get the credit he deserves for uncovering a lot of the things going
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on within uh the government with regard to government uh gun control legislation uh rick where can people
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find that talk that you're doing with nicholas it's going to be uh it's going to be on youtube on
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canada's national firearms association uh the link is also going to be on our facebook page on our
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instagram and on our twitter so if you uh if you go to any of those platforms and click on the link
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it'll take you to uh it'll take you to the program the program is going to be live we will be taking
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questions during the program uh there's going to be a lot of stuff out there there's what i've been
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finding i um i was at an event in uh hamilton gun club a couple days ago they had the ontario
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provincial trap shooting championships happening there so there was a lot of people there from
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all over ontario and manitoba and quebec and even farther out a lot of people are unaware of what's
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going on we need to get the information out there so people can jump aboard and get into the fight
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that's my one of my biggest struggles in the nfa is getting more people to jump aboard and getting
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into the fight and as you and i know sheila the more people we can get aboard votes talk and uh you
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just can't you can't sit in the weeds anymore and let everything unfold you have to get into the fight
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there's no other choice that the liberals put us in that position so that's a great segue look at you
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you've done this before rick look at me go how do people get involved in the nfa how do they get
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involved in the fight how do you create that army of people uh fighting back um and funding the i guess
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the legal war chest of the nfa to take the government to task on these uh tyrannical pieces of legislation
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well there's there's there's several ways you can do it uh to become a member go to nfa.ca uh which
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uh which is our web page there's a lot of information on there and uh there's a lot of information even
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if you're not a member you can use uh you can uh you can reach out to any of your provincial directors
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and and they'll give you the information we're attending events right across canada uh we'll be at
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quite a few events we always have uh we always have a bit of a recruitment drive for members going
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at our events along with uh selling some of our merchants and uh whatnot with the nfa you got to
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remember the majority of the money goes it back into the fight it's not there we have we have a we
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have a small office staff i'm a full-time employee and we have a lobbyist everybody else are volunteers
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and passionate passionate people my my board of directors is are some of the most passionate
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firearms people you'll ever meet they're they're in it for the same reason i'm in it i'm not in it
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for the money or i'm in it because this involves my firearms it's it's about my firearms but that's
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not my biggest thing my biggest thing is your kids and your kids kids future generations if we if
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the liberals keep going and we keep them in power and the laws keep stocking up the way they are now
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our children and our children's children are not going to be able to enjoy what we did with firearms
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growing up plinking uh you know just all the guns are fun guns are fun to shoot at the end of the day
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guns are fun to shoot and uh i i want i want the future generations and this is this is my personal
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mandate i want the future generations to have the same privileges as we had and also to keep
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personal property that they worked hard for they acquired i don't want tyrannical i don't like using
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that word but i'm going to use it tyrannical governments taking taking our stuff away yeah if
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they if i wouldn't use the word tyrannical if they didn't behave so tyrannically that's right all the
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time um but i'm with you this is not just about um my private property ownership this is about my
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ability to pass along that private property that was my dad's was my grandfather's onto my children
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it's about protecting the ability to use those tools for me of farming to keep my livestock safe
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to keep my land safe um it's about our culture um and the liberals they think culture only exists
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within this laurentian bubble but there are a lot of canadas and we're different and as you know
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it's gone way beyond that now we're getting so many members now that aren't even firearms owners but
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they have personal property you know we work we work with uh other segments of rebel news and we put
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stuff out and there's a lot of freedom people reaching out to us donating to us they're not even gun
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owners but they're concerned about the personal property aspect of the whole deal yeah every time
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you're on the show i get somebody reaching out to me and saying hey uh do you think i could join the
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nfa if i'm not a firearms owner i'm like i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure you can um every time you're on
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the show because they see this as a greater issue of human rights and i'm glad that when you communicate
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about firearms you communicated in that respect rick i could have you on the show for hours and hours
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and i could talk to you all day but you're busy and i'm busy um and i'll have you back on again
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very very soon and tell us again one more time when people can find out about your talk with
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the gun blog yeah yeah you can uh you can uh see what we're up to on uh on facebook instagram
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twitter youtube if you're interested in joining and you want to see some documentation of what we're
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all about and how we're helping people go to our website nfa.ca the information's on there if you
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can please join if you can't join our our organization join a gun organization you know i say this all the
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time you know get into the fight we our voices need to be heard in ottawa and the more people we can get
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aboard the more the liberals and the conservatives are going to listen so please uh please you know i'd
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appreciate it if you join our our org but if you if you don't want to join an org so you know our voices