SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Theo Fleury on the dangers of lockdowns
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Former NHLer and Child Abuse Survivor Theo Fleury joins host Sheila Gunn-Reed to discuss the impact of vaccines on children in minor sport, and the dangers of locking up kids in minor sports facilities. The Gun Show is a free, audio-only version of my show The Gunn Show, where hosts Sheila and I discuss current events in the world of politics, pop culture, and pop culture.
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Oh hey Rebels, it's me Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're listening to a free audio only recording of my
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weekly Wednesday night show The Gun Show. Tonight my guest is former NHL-er and child abuse survivor
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and advocate for mental health Theo Fleury and we have a long and I think pretty interesting
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conversation about the impact of separating parents from their kids in minor sports and about
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how government's reaction to COVID has inflicted societal trauma on us and what that means for the
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Are vaccine mandates making children in minor sport less safe? Tonight I call in an expert.
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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Last week I saw something crazy roll past me on Twitter and I know that sounds like it shouldn't
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be anything to really pique my attention because Twitter is a crazy place full of completely crazy
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people but I saw a self-described mommy blogger based in Saskatchewan named Tennille Fontaine and
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another person named Julian Witherspoon publicly offering to take other people's children to be
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vaccinated against the parents wishes and then encouraging the kids to lie to the parents. Two
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total stranger weirdos offering to take children somewhere inject them with something against their
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parents wishes and then encouraging the children to lie about the whole thing saying they went to
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the movies instead. At the time naturally I tweeted about it and incidentally these two boundaryless
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progressive ladies trended on Twitter for about two days because normal people were outraged and saw
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this for what it was abduction for sure and possibly grooming and yet the only Canadian journalist outside
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of anybody over here at Rebel News that talked about the issue was John Gormley a Saskatchewan-based
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radio host. The whole thing even got the attention of RT Russia Today but CBC they didn't lift their
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sleepy heads off the desk to do a story on this issue because they don't see a problem with it
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or where this sort of stuff leads but I do I think you do too and I think my guest tonight might agree
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with us. I have real issues regarding child safety especially with the concept of mature minors but I also
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have issues with separating parents from kids in minor sports based on vaccination status. Seems like the
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perfect recipe for predators to do what predators do when parents aren't around when parents aren't allowed
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into the gyms the rinks and the swimming pools. So I called in an expert someone with incredible lived
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experience in this subject on vulnerable kids in minor sport and someone who has been a staunch anti lockdown
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advocate because of the impact of lockdowns on kids especially with regard to trauma. So it is my pleasure to bring you
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an interview tonight that I recorded yesterday morning with Theo Fleury former NHL star, survivor of
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childhood trauma, overcomer of addictions and mental health advocate and he has got a lot to say and
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friends I'm sad I didn't have him on the show sooner. Take a listen.
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Joining me now from his home in Calgary is NHL veteran and child abuse survivor and advocate for
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children Theo Fleury. Theo thanks so much for joining me I wanted to have you on the show because I think
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you have expertise in what I see happening in the world right now and I think you have some we were
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talking off camera some pretty relevant insights into what you're seeing governments do versus
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what happened to you in the past the same things and the same tactics used to control your life
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are now being used to control society. The first issue I wanted to talk to you about though is
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I don't understand why nobody can see the safety issues that are right in front of us when we are separating
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kids from parents in minor sport because of vaccine mandates vaccine passes and the idea of cohorts. For
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example, I can't watch my daughter play sports. I have to wait in the car because apparently I become infectious to her
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when I'm in the building, but not when I'm in the hermetically sealed vehicle that we drive home in.
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That you're cleaning the whole entire time you're in there waiting for her? You're cleaning the car?
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Apparently. But I mean, for me, this seems like rife for a creep to abuse the situation.
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Yes. You know, all these protocols were put in place a long time ago for a reason, right? For a reason. And now
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because of COVID, we're just going to throw them out because they don't fit the narrative, right? That's
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basically what this is, is, is there's a script, right? That's been written by whoever. And the script
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says, yeah, we should probably not allow unvaccinated parents in the facility where the kids are,
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right? And that opens up a whole Pandora's box of what could happen, right? So if this is about safety,
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right? Health and safety and doing that is not about health and safety, right? So, so the hypocrisy of all
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of this, you know, where, where do pedophiles or sexual abusers or sexual deviants or whatever you want
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to call them, where do they hang out? They hang out in kids organizations, right? Which means arenas,
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gyms, schools, wherever they can get access to kids, that's where they hang out. And the grooming
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process, you know, takes a long time because they need to get themselves in a position of power and
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authority and trust. And once they have that, then they start grooming the kids, but the adults get
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groomed first, right? Before anything else happens, right? The last thing in the process of,
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you know, this kind of behavior is a kid gets abused. That's the last thing that happens in the
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process. There's a long lengthy grooming process, you know, that happens. So, so yeah, we're, we're
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putting our kids in dangerous situations by not having eyeballs on our kids when we should be able to.
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The second thing I wanted to talk to you about is this sort of normalization of keeping secrets
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between unrelated adults and children that aren't their own and keeping secrets away from parents. We
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see it in the mature minor theory of, with vaccination, when this total stranger can interview
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your child and say, well, you know, your, your child is mature enough to make these decisions,
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but they say to the child, they don't say it to you. And the parents really are carved out of it. And
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while it's one thing we're talking about vaccination, I think it, it sets a very dangerous precedent where
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it normalizes the secrecy between unrelated adults and kids that aren't their own. And then
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it becoming increasingly normalized because you go on the internet and you see people who call
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themselves mommy bloggers tweeting, I'll come pick up your, I'll come pick up kids and take them to
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get vaccinated. And we'll tell everybody we're going to a movie. This is the sort of stuff you used to
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call the cops because of, but now it's righteous and virtuous because they think they're saving the
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planet from COVID, which doesn't really affect kids all that much. Yeah. Well, uh, from a neuroscience
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perspective, the human brain isn't fully developed till you're in your late twenties. So that argument
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right there, mature, whatever minor is off the table and that's science. Okay. We're talking, this is all
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about science. Well, I just threw a little science at you. So the kid has, does not have the capability
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to make that kind of decision. Right. Secondly, you know, if you watch the Joe Rogan interview with
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Dr. McCullough yesterday, the vaccine doesn't work period. Doesn't work. Okay. And I've watched many,
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many interviews where lots of doctors have said the exact same thing. Right. So pushing the VACs is,
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you know, uh, I would say criminal and it will be proven to be criminal, uh, as time goes, goes on.
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Um, but yeah, it's, it's kids cannot make those kinds of decisions. Right. And, uh, you know,
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I just know from my own experience that, you know, the tactics that they're using
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to coerce and manipulate and lie and all that were the same tactics that my abuser used against me.
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It's textbook textbook. This is textbook, but I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist because I know nothing
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about this subject, right? Well, sorry, I've been in this subject for 15 years. I've heard a million
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stories of sexual abuse survivors. And guess what? They're all the same. They're all the same.
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They don't change. It's coercion, manipulation, and lying. That's what this is all about. Right.
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And us truth seekers out there who are trying to find the truth, who are actually trying to protect
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the world that large about what's going on. We're just canceled. We're crazy. You know,
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everybody uses the word CTE with me, you know, concussion stuff, critical thinker expert. That's
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what CTE is, right? That's what it is. And I'm not, you know what? I'm not afraid of the crazy people
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because I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy. I know I'm not crazy. I am a rational, compassionate,
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empathetic human being who can see through all the BS that's going on. Right. And there is no argument.
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There is no argument. You come to the table. I put something out there. You come to the table,
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you know, you call me, you don't even have a rational argument. I'm a racist. And I'm the first
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Métis racist person on the planet. Right. I'm the first Métis racist person on the planet.
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You know, I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist, you know, all these things. It's just, it's just
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ridiculous. And you wonder why the world is in the state that it's in
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because these people love chaos and drama and all this stuff. And we've had nothing
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but that for the last two years, right? Nothing makes sense. You know, it's, you know, what,
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you know, it's like, it's like Trudeau tells me to wear a mask and then he's over in Europe,
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you know, drunk off his ass, uh, you know, with no mask on. Right. So, you know, give it a rest.
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Why don't you tell us a little bit about what has happened to you since you started speaking out about
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the pandemic, because you've basically, I mean, you haven't been canceled, but there have been some
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pretty serious attempts to cancel you by people who once lauded your efforts to protect kids.
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Well, what I, what I've discovered is that the people who are, let's just say conservative patriots
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are afraid. Okay. They're afraid to speak up. Yeah. And I'm not right.
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And, and because of that, I've gotten a tremendous amount of support behind the scenes, right?
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Where people are emailing me and private messaging me on Facebook saying, you know what, thank you for
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saying what I'm thinking, because I can't say it, right? Because I'm going to lose my job and,
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you know, all these things like this. Right. So, and, and a pretty good indication would be if I was losing
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followers on social media. Okay. Well, before I started tweeting about politics, I was around
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the 90,000 mark. Well, I'm almost at 150,000 followers on Twitter. So that's a good indication
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that what I'm saying has support, uh, has some truth to it. And ultimately the feedback that I'm
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getting is that the majority of people are thinking the same way that I'm thinking. They just can't
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say it because they're afraid. Right. And, and the one thing about, uh,
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this ideology has been tried 24 times in human history. Okay. This ideology, whatever you want
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to call it, globalism, communism, whatever the hell you want to call it, it's been tried 24 times
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and guess what? It's failed every time. And what's the by-product of this type of ideology.
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The only thing that comes out of this is death. That's it. That's the only thing that comes out of
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that type of ideology. And, you know, eventually they start eating themselves anyways, because
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their, their egos are so big, which is a pedophile trait, ego and pedophile are in the same category.
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Right. And that's what happens is only one person can sit on the top of the pyramid in that type of
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system. So what happens, they start eating each other. Think about what they did to governor Como
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in New York. They, they eliminated them. Right. And, and you're going to see more and more of this
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kind of stuff happening, you know, as this all plays out, but unfortunately it takes probably
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two decades for them to eat each other. And, and unfortunately we got to be here to watch it
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and go through it. Yeah. It's you know, the lessons of animal farm always seem to repeat themselves
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that every time they try it, you know, the pigs start walking upright and then they do the same
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things. The farmer always did. Um, I wanted to ask you about something that is, I mean,
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it's not necessarily in the COVID world, but it is in, uh, definitely, like I said, off camera,
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the Theo Fleury universe, and that is the Glenn Maxwell trial. And there's a lot of censorship
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of the details of the trial on social media. It's almost as though, and I'm going to sound like
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a conspiracy theorist, but these are conspiracy facts. Um, it's almost as though they don't want
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us to know what's going on inside that trial. Twitter shut down an account that was only tweeting
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things that were happening in the trial. It wasn't even commentary. It was just, this was said,
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this was said, this was said, Twitter shut it down. Why would they do that? Theo pedophiles,
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protecting pedophiles. Simple as that, you know, so that's all it is. You know, one of the biggest
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businesses on the planet is a little thing called child and human trafficking. Okay. And I just watched
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an interview the other day where it's going from $150 billion industry to a $200 billion industry,
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$200 billion. Yep. Okay. And then they said that one child can generate between $100 and $200,000
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for a trafficker. Okay. So, but, but I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist, you know, because I'm throwing,
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I'm throwing truth at them. Yeah. They hate truth. They hate accountability. Right. This is all about
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accountability. Right. And you know, the, the whole entire system is so corrupt. It is like, it's like,
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to me, I'm flabbergasted at how many people are in on this. Right. Cause we, as, as, you know,
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as a Canadian citizen, I have three, three things that I need to do, pay my taxes, vote and stay out
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of jail. Other than that, the government doesn't need to be a part of my life. I'm very capable of
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running my own life. Right. And now they're starting to take those things away. Right. And,
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and that's not the role of government. That's not the role of government and the lack of accountability,
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you know, from every, like even, you know, from municipal to provincial, to federal,
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federal, there is no accountability. These people get to go up to the stump and say, whatever they
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want, say, whatever they want. And there's no accountability because people like you, Sheila,
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aren't in that room to make them accountable. Yep. Right. Like this shit, isn't hard to figure out.
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Like, it's not hard to figure out where we're headed and why we're in this, you know, in this place
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is because if, if these people were held to accountability, this would, this would be all
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over. This whole thing would be all over, but there's no accountability. There's no accountability.
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So, so as a guy who's curious and bright and, and, and smart, you know, I'm out there trying to find
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what, find out what the truth is, because what they're showing me is not the truth. Right. So I'm
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going to go do my own research. It's all out there. You know, if you take the time and you,
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you know, and you, you, you do the research, it's very easy to figure out why we're, why we're here.
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Right. Yeah. And, you know, it's sad that so many people get their information from the people who are
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allowed to ask the questions without putting together, well, there's a reason they're the
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ones allowed to ask the questions and people like me are not allowed to ask the questions.
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And there's a lot of gaslighting for lack of a better term. For example, you're talking about
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the child trafficking issue. For me, that's a reason why, for example, Joe Biden should secure
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the Southern border, but the media and the institutional left, they will say, Sheila, that's
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an uncompassionate position to take because these people are fleeing poverty, strife, whatever. And I
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say, no, you're actually enabling human trafficking, human suffering, um, a pedophilia by allowing that
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border to be open, but I'm the uncompassionate one. It's compassionate for them to enable suffering.
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Hmm. Well, what, what are addicts and alcoholics really good at manipulation? They're good at
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collecting. They're good at collecting enablers. Yes. Huh? Yes. Think about that. Yep. Think about
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that statement right there. Right. Because when you have enablers around, you can do whatever you want
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because you know that they're going to rescue you. They're going to try and fix you. Right. It's the
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same, same mentality. Right. It's the same mentality. Right. So it's, uh,
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you know, it's a, it's a hard time to be alive. Really? It really is. And you know, why,
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why have we seen a spike in mental illness? Cause where's the worst place to be
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when you have mental illness right here in your head? Right. And so by locking us down,
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taking away, you know, some of our privileges that we have, you know, when they shut down the
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churches and the arenas, well, the arena in Canada is the church, the church of hockey.
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And, and why is there a small arena in every small town in Canada? Well, that's where we go to get
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relationship. Right. And the counteractive thing for mental illness is connection and relationship.
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Right. Cause when I'm alone inside of my own head, that's the worst place to be for somebody who has
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mental illness. But when you get into your heart, which is relationship and connection and all of
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those things, that's how you heal from mental illness. Right. So, so yeah, like this is, you know,
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it's not, it's not hard to figure out, you know, and, and it makes me, uh, laugh because it's that
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obvious, like it's that obvious. And, you know, like a guy who has as much experience as me in trauma,
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mental health, and addiction, it makes sense. Right. And COVID-19 is the most traumatic event
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that's happened since world war II. It's trauma. The government has inflicted trauma onto the
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population, right? Because, you know, I'm also an empath too. So when I walk out the door, what hits
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me? Anxiety almost knocks me over every time I walk out the door. Why? Because it's the fear of the
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unknown because we don't know what the future looks like. So the whole entire planet is living in a
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vibration of very high, high anxiety. Right. We go to the grocery store and we're, we're afraid that
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we're going to get COVID. Right. We've got our masks on. Nobody's talking to each other. You know,
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there's no interaction. It's just like a bunch of zombies showed up and went shopping. You know,
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you know, there's nobody smiling at each other. There's, you know, and that's, that's all part of
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this whole narrative that has to keep going. But, but the narrative is blown up. The narrative
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is blown up. Like it's, you know, if you're not asleep, you know, that the narrative is going south
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very quickly. Right. You know, and you know, hopefully in the near future that more people
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wake up to the fact, like, how do you, how would you feel that you've had three jabs? You're still
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wearing a mask. You're, you're, you know, traveling is like, like is a nightmare. You know what I mean?
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And what did they promise? What did they promise? Normalcy. Yeah. Yeah. Ain't happening. Nope.
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Ain't happening. Now, before I let you go, cause I don't want to take up your whole morning,
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but you've been very generous with your time. I wanted to ask you about one last thing. And that
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is the rise of suicides in children related to, um, I would say COVID anxiety. Um, you know, the,
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the news calls that mental illness, but I think it is, uh, TV induced anxiety, um, societal induced
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anxiety on a generation of children. What do you predict the future is going to be like for these
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kids? Great question. Um, well, there's nobody selling hope. Okay. There's nobody selling hope
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the churches, but they closed them. Right. Of course, of course. Um, and when people lose hope,
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that's when they take their own lives. Right. And, you know, people are losing their livelihoods.
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They're, you know, uh, yeah. So, and basically what I'm doing is I'm getting prepared for when this is
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all over. Cause I know that, um, you know, I, I can bring, I can bring that to the table. Right. I can
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bring hope. I can bring healing. I can bring, you know, the 10,000 different modalities that I'm aware
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of that people can heal from, uh, from whatever they need to heal from. Right. And, uh, um, and,
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it really got me thinking about this. That's why I'm kind of, I'm kind of, um,
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you know, the, the cheapest, most effective kind of therapy that I've come across is a little thing
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called group therapy because it, it doesn't cost anything for group therapy. You know, you just,
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somebody donates a room, you get a bunch of people in a room, you use vulnerability,
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which is storytelling, that storytelling, that vulnerability creates safety. And then once you
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have safety in the room and people feel safe, then they just start popping up and, and telling their
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story. Right. And, and I think that's what we're going to need is, uh, coming out of the pandemic,
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we're going to need a real sense of, you know, let's, let's get back to the, the old days, you
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know, where, you know, first thing you do in the morning is, is, you know, make a pot of coffee
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because you, you never know who's going to show up on your doorstep. Right. And we've gotten so far
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away from, from that, which I, you know, I grew up in that, you know, that small town farming
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community where there was always a pot of coffee on, right. And everybody sat around the kitchen table
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and you talked about politics, you talked about religion, you talked about, you know, and nobody,
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you know, called you a crazy conspiracy theorist, you know, everybody, uh, had respect for one another.
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They respected everybody's opinion, you know, and, and we're so divided, right. And it's by design,
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we're, we're divided by design that we're going to have to get back to, you know, that real community,
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um, spirit, you know, that we had, um, and, you know, sports and, and church and, and all these
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things are going to play a huge role in getting us back to, you know, that, that piece that has been
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missing for so long. Right. And, and these things are, you know, the worst for, you know, you know,
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they call it social media. No, it's called social insanity is what it is. Right. And this is like,
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this is a dopamine and serotonin machine. That's what it is. Right. And, uh, and so, you know,
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throw away the phones and, and get back to, you know, being in, in the same room with people and
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sharing and, you know, all those things, that's, that's what we need to get back to. And the reason
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why we're in a high state of, you know, mental illness and suicide and opioid, you know, addiction
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and overdose is, is because we've lost that connection. Right. You know, and, and, uh, um,
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and when you're dealing with trauma, the only way to, to heal that trauma is doing what we're doing
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right now. Sheila is having this conversation. That's, that's what it's about. That's the healing
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piece, right? You don't need a professional psychologist or psychiatrist or whatever, you know,
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you just need a couple of people who are willing to have tough conversations without judgment,
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without pointing the finger, you know, cause I always say, you know, there's, there's no courage
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in judgment. There's no courage in judgment, but there is a lot of courage in sharing your deepest,
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darkest secrets. Right. Cause you're only as sick as your secrets, right? That's what it's all about.
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And, you know, for me in 2009, I wrote a book about all my secrets and what happened was I connected
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with about a billion people on the planet who had the same experience as me. Right. And it's that
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simple, you know, and, and, uh, we need to get back to that honesty, openness, and willingness that we
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had, you know, a long time ago. Well, I do agree with you. It's my hope that society can sort of
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reclaim that togetherness that governments and public health officials have outlawed. Theo, I want
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to thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me today. Um, if people want to get in touch with
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you, how do they do that? Yeah. So my website is steelflurry.life and, uh, I'm on all social media
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platforms, Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and Twitter at Theo Fleury 14. Great. Theo, thanks so much.
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Hopefully, um, if you're agreeable, you can come on the show again, very, very soon. Yeah. It's the
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only, it's the only place I got a voice. So sure. I'd love to come on whenever you want. So I'll give
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you all the time you want. I'm scared about what the future looks like for a generation of kids so
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infected with somebody else's anxiety and worry that never got to be kids. I'm worried about
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suicides. I'm worried about addiction. I'm worried about mental health. And I'm worried about what
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future families look like when nobody knows how to interact with somebody else anymore without
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looking at them as though they are some sort of disease vector zombie. And I'm happy that there
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are loud voices like Theo's out there standing up for kids like mine. Well, everybody, that's the show
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for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same
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place next week. And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.