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In this episode, my guest is Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science. She tells us why your SUV probably isn t responsible for the drought in Alberta or the wildfires in BC, and it s not just foreign-funded foundations meddling in Canadian politics, it s domestic ones too, and you re subsidizing them.
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Oh hey Rebels, I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're listening to a free audio only recording of my
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weekly Wednesday night show aptly called The Gunn Show. Now tonight my guest is my friend Michelle
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Sterling from Friends of Science and I really like Friends of Science because they cut through the
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media and political hysteria on the issue of climate change to give you the facts and maybe
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tell you to calm down, pump the brakes because we are actually not all going to die and there isn't
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Why your SUV probably isn't responsible for the drought in Alberta or the wildfires in BC
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and it's not just foreign funded foundations meddling in Canadian politics, it's domestic
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ones too and you're subsidizing them. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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Friends, it's almost impossible to watch TV or consume the mainstream media without being
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absolutely inundated with what I call fear pornography. Whether the mainstream media is
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calling unmarked or forgotten cemeteries mass graves or maybe the mainstream media is scaring
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you about the so-called Delta variant of COVID-19 or that there's a fourth wave of infections coming
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or maybe the mainstream media is making you feel bad about how your SUV is causing British Columbia
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forest fires and Alberta droughts. There's almost no escape from the constant attempts of the media
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to brainwash you to conform to liberal and far left-wing talking points on all of these issues.
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It's almost uniform from the mainstream media, isn't it? There's hardly ever a balanced or skeptical
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viewpoint on any of these issues presented in the mainstream media. While the mainstream media
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simultaneously preens and tells us that they are balanced and non-partisan, they broadcast
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literal liberal party talking points as gospel truth. Now that's why I love the work that my guest
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tonight does on so many issues other than maybe the one issue that you've come to know her because of.
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My guest tonight is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science and I think that's where you
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all know her from and she's here tonight to tell you that maybe you don't need to be so upset that your
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practical vehicle is burning down British Columbia but also she's here to tell you that maybe
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the mass graves of residential schools are not actually mass graves or pits filled with bodies.
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She's also here to warn us though that we need to pay closer attention to the Canadian funding sources
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of anti-Canadian environmentalist groups operating here in Canada. Here's the interview we recorded Tuesday morning.
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So joining me now is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science from her cabin in the middle
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of nowhere. Two gals in cabins in the middle of nowhere talking about the climate but also about
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other things. Michelle, you sent me a link to a project that you're working on. It's not really climate
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science related at all but as I was saying off camera it is so perfectly Michelle Sterling because
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one of the things that you do with Friends of Science is you say pump the brakes calm down stop
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the hysteria let's get all the facts and you are doing exactly that when it comes to investigating
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whether or not these are unmarked graves or mass graves when it comes to the residential school
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discoveries. Yes it's really sad that the journalistic community has not done any reasonable amount of
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research on the historical context of the mass graves as they call them. They're not mass graves for the
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most part they're unmarked graves and if you look back in history you'll find that tuberculosis TB was an epidemic
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of very significant proportions in Canada's history. Up until 1960 it was the largest killer of all Canadians
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and certainly it did affect Aboriginal people more and certainly it also affected children in residential
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schools and there really was no cure until the 1960s so we do see these very high rates of death
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um but you know it's it's terrible to confuse that with some kind of uh intentional attack
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on Aboriginal people in fact in history shows that the government made many serious efforts to contain
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and control and heal people in the 50s they were taking thousands of people from the north to sanatoriums
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to sanatoriums where they would be um you know made well for the most part most of them would be
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and one of their rehab projects was doing soapstone carving so again uh in my work i'm not saying
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that bad things didn't happen they did and in fact in the post that i recently did on medium i referred to
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people in Ireland and in the states who also went to residential type schools or to um to tuberculosis
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sanatoria where they were abused so it's um you know it's really important that we have some
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context on what happened in history because dancing on people's graves in the media to get headlines
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is really unethical journalism you know and i think you're the perfect person to do this sort of work
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because again that is so much of what you do with uh debunking climate activism um you know we're told
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all the time that there are going to be climate refugees and that people are dying in little
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island countries off in the middle of nowhere and that's simply not the case um and so i'm so happy
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to see you drilling down and adding some historical context to the discoveries at these residential schools
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because it's not happening at all in the mainstream media and and canada is being vilified as
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justin trudeau called us a genocidal state yeah and that's not true uh i mean there were mass deaths
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certainly during the spanish flu there were mass deaths and mass graves simply because there weren't
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enough people to go and dig graves and people were dropping like flies literally within uh the course
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of a day a person could die um as so and and in fact their whole family the spanish flu was horrific
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uh so much so that people didn't really talk about it after it passed because they were so traumatized
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by it and very similarly with the residential schools issue a lot of people were so traumatized by being
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pulled out of their communities either to go to residential school or even to go to a tv sanatorium
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there's one recorded um testimonial from a family saying that we didn't know our brother he was put into a
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sanatorium when he was seven and returned home when he was 13 and we didn't know who he was he didn't
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speak our language he didn't understand our customs you can certainly understand that that would be very
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traumatizing and and impossible to make sense of so i'm hoping with the article that i wrote and the
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research that i offer from other researchers in that historical period i hope that this will help people
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um better understand what happened then and why and the context of the time well i'm glad you're doing
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it and uh as i read it i thought boy you know this how many times do we have to let the government tell
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us how to live our lives before we figure out that that's a terrible thing to do to people where we
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allow the government to control our families and who we can interact with and how we behave
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um you know it it's uh there's some strong overlays with what has happened in the world with civil
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liberties in the last 16 months uh lessons we should have learned a long time ago from other atrocities
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very true very true now sorry michelle i didn't mean to cut you off there um go ahead finish your
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thoughts oh well and just to note that you know tb had a very strong social stigma very much like what we
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see today with issues between vaccinated unvaccinated mask wearers not mask wearers and this type of
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stigma even exists today in northern communities where tb is quite rampant but people are even afraid
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to get a diagnosis because then they may become outcasts in their own community which of course
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leads to the ongoing spread of the tuberculosis and lack of treatment for that individual so you know
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and it's funny that the government is so willing to put money into searching up graves when these are
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real living people who need help now and uh you know it's not that the dead shouldn't be honored
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but honestly if you can save people now let's do that you know what an excellent point michelle um
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moving from that um there's an another sort of top of mind issue um here in alberta um if you open a
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window it's smoky outside um and you know if you walk across the grass it feels like astroturf we're
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in a drought but there's also fires in another province um and apparently according to climate
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change activists again more fear-mongering um these things have never happened before albert has never
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experienced a drought there have never been forest fires in bc this is all absolute climate change and
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my comfortable suv is the bad guy here well of course all that is nonsense one of the the biggest
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fires in alberta and bc was in 1950 called the chinchanga firestorm there's a really great book by
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cordy timstra uh published by the university of alberta press and this fire burnt uh 3.4 million acres
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of land and the smoke pall was seen around the world the moon was blue the sky was dark people
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thought the end of the world had come and that was just the smoke from this one fire that went around
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the world um so it certainly is an ongoing phenomenon it's called wildfire season you're right there's a
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wonderful uh resource that everybody should look at called fire smart canada and fire smart is also
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broken down into all the provinces because there are differences in each province but it offers you
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some insights as to how to protect your property yourself and your community so people should look
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at that and take that advice um it's not uh um climate change it's um an element of uh of climate which
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is called la nina there's these alternating uh cycles of ocean temperature which are el nino and la
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niña and both of them have very significant weather effects but they're short term el nino is usually
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maybe up to two years but la nina is usually a bit shorter but these cause conditions that can
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exacerbate drought um for the prairies in la nina conditions and there's a paper by um or a few papers
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by ray garnett and madav kandakar that people can look up to learn more about that bc had many lightning
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strikes this year and many fire bugs as well about uh 59 of the wildfires in bc last year were caused by
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people 42 on average are caused by human interaction that doesn't always mean arson you know sometimes
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it's a spark from an atv sometimes negligent camping sometimes a cigarette but uh sometimes uh sparking on
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um you know a branch sparking on a power line uh so that may not be the the uh cause of you know
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uh an individual fault at all it may be the power company or it may simply be how that tree grew and
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nobody noticed but um those are the human interactions that cause it and uh of course you
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know people go to the bush a lot more now and many more of them are not very well trained you know we
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used to have boy scouts and girl guides where people learned about safe camping and now people
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just sit at home you know on their xbox or whatever hey let's go camping but they don't know about how to
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put out a fire properly or you know things to do in the woods that keep you safe yeah sorry go ahead
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please oh well you know so these are some of the things also in bc they've got tons of dead trees from
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the pine beetle infestation and if they were really serious about protecting their population they
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would spend a few hundred million on clearing out these places especially close to um uh human
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settlements and also if these climateers are so keen that there's going to be you know global warming
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and they've been spending billions for the past few years on it why didn't they put up more you know
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containment centers for people to go to when there's a heat event i mean you couldn't be prepared
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for this and actually if you want to look up about the heat dome cliff mass who's a professor uh in the
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states and is an expert on pacific northwest climate he's written a great uh blog post on it i think we
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saw a lot of this happening in california a couple years ago where you know all the activists were screaming
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about climate change however it has a lot more to do with fuel load in the forest and forestry
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practices which have been inhibited by environmentalist induced laws and regulations
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yes and also and particularly in california there's an interesting phenomenon you know if there's a fire
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then all that area is cleared then what happens there's rain in the winter then you have this sudden
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profusion of light shrub uh and then it the hot season comes and it dries standing so this is what's
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called uh it creates cribbing and this is just like kindling so you know one little spark and it all
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goes up and of course add to that especially in california the santa ana winds so you get tremendous
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winds there like our chinook winds you know you've got a fire in that kind of a wind good luck stopping it
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that amber storm is just going to take off you know it's it's really interesting as you rightly point
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out if the environmentalists think that my comfortable suv is causing global warming and
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because global warming is happening then there's going to be more forest fires why haven't they
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done anything to make forest communities more resilient to the forest fires they promise us are
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coming they haven't done any of that instead they just stand on tragedy to push their agenda
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right i mean putting up a wind farm or a solar panel is not going to save your life
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but what might be a useful application of funds is to cut a fire break around some of these
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at-risk communities you know like a kilometer wide and maybe turn that into even a tourist walk
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you know you could do something constructive with it as well but um you know make sure that you've got the
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forest cleared back and another thing you know a lot of people who live you know people move
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say in kelowna they left well not just kelowna but all over alberta too yeah people love to move to
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these wooded communities i mentioned that because my brother had moved to west kelowna
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at one point and he had a beautiful big house with a swimming pool and surrounded by trees right right
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up against the house well that's number one no no you know in regard to keeping fire wildfire from
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destroying your property get those trees back clear all that junk away don't have stuff on your
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deck that's flammable you know because it's it's like kindling if there's an ember storm
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it just needs a little touch on that and that flammable material and it's gone so there are lots
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of things people can do to protect their property but they're you know again let's put up a wind farm
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no let's just deal with the practicalities so there's actually a good video by the national
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association of fire protection in the states on your home can survive a wildfire very interesting
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to watch because lots of simple things you can do to really potentially protect your home not a guarantee
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yeah a lot of that work was done here in alberta too after the slave lake fire um we did a the
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province did a large-scale examination of how that came to be and um how best to protect our forest
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communities i don't think it's so much the same as in southern alberta you might get hit by a grass
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fire in town there but in the north um where i live where where the grasslands are crashing into the boreal
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forest and then beyond that um the the communities in the boreal forest these are forestry communities by
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and large they are surrounded by forest and i know a lot of communities in the wake of the slave lake
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fire made steps to make their communities a lot more safe and to communicate the lessons that you just did
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to homeowners in these communities because everybody loves to live with nature um but you do need to
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realize that you are um you need to live in concert with nature and sometimes nature means a wildfire
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that's right and also in that was called the flat top fire complex review that report that the
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government did one of the things they found is that a lot of people who'd moved from the city to an
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acreage assumed they could call 9-1-1 if there was a fire right not realizing that that that fire
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department may not even serve your community and they're going to take an hour to get there you know
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so if you live in a rural area um of any kind you have to coordinate with your neighbors you know some
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stopgap measures for containment or evacuation you have to be prepared to deal with it yourself
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until or unless you know the real resources can get there and if they're fighting a really big fire
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on the other side of the mountain they can't come they don't have the people so you know and i think
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um you know when i when i spoke in grand prairie a couple of years ago they gave me a beautiful
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historical book there of the hand-painted watercolors of uh of the region history and one of the things
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that they noted and what you see in the pictures is all the pioneers had stuff cleared right away from
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their house you know they there was a huge clearance to the forest and that's how a lot of them survived
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these wildfires um so you know that people just forgotten or they don't realize living in modern times
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i think you can just google it how to put out a wildfire you know you got to be prepared on the
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ground you know it's funny last time i was in grand prairie somebody gave me a book on bigfoot
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i think you know we all uh we all have our things you know um michelle i wanted to ask you about um
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another large foundation meddling in canadian politics and i guess to some extent international
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politics um we all know about the tides foundation i think not we all but i think watchers to these
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sorts of things we all know about the tides foundation and how they have their tentacles
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into everything but there's another big foundation the mcconnell foundation that is dumping money
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at climate activists and other companies um and at friends of science you guys have been sort
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of documenting much of this well uh we're just uh going through some of the canadian funding because
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of course with the alberta inquiry going on one of the arguments of uh some of the people who are
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supposedly named in the uh alberta inquiry they say oh you know we hardly got any money from foreign
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donors we got most of our money from canadian donors well that's not entirely untrue so we ran
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across a few things that um like for instance the tax subsidized mcconnell foundation gave a grant of
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10 million dollars but to who to one of the world's largest companies black weird that's weird that's
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very weird but at the same time they were also funding a group called the strathmere group and who
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is that well that's an organization of the top say 12 environmental groups in canada it was formed by
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marlo reynolds when he was part of uh pamper institute and uh so mcconnell funded the strathmere group
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which as a group is said to have over 358 000 members 420 staff and adjun annual budgets totaling over 50
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million dollars so the strathmere group then um is noted in boothroy communications online as uh being
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greenpeace pembina institute world wild fund and it says that in 2014 we planned and facilitated the
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toronto skills building workshop campaigns and communications 2014 where directors from canada's
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12 leading environmental organization learned from leading market researchers journalists and organizers
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and agreed to work on shared frames and messages in advance of the 2015 federal election so this suggests
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that the media are accepting the framing of issues from engos in advance of an election period and
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consequently there's little public debate on climate change or energy energy policies and this is all part
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of a new blog post that we put up last night and in that post we also show that the most recent ipcc
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climate models are running way too hot and even gavin schmidt of nasa g iss admits that and he says
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they're just wrong so that's where all this catastrophe climate thinking is coming from these wrong faulty models
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and interestingly that these big canadian tax funded foundations are funding these tax subsidized
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NGOs to promote a very specific message that promotes a certain sector which is like the
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renewable sector like you know for instance we see um sandy garasino on um national observers she's made
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quite a few comments about the allen inquiry well one could say she also has a vested interest in the
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climate catastrophe scenario because she's the grandmother of elon musk's baby her daughter is married
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to him so the climate catastrophe scenario is one of the main principles upon which the push for electric
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vehicles lands right it there is no reason to have electric vehicles unless there is this proposed climate
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catastrophe scenario so all these things are intertwined anyway i invite people to have a look at that
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blog post that we just put up now you glossed over something that you and i both know but maybe people
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at home have forgotten the founder of it's the strath thern strath mirror strath mirror i wanted to say
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strath more um the strath mirror group marlo reynolds we have to remember that this is not non-partisan
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activity marlo reynolds went on to work for katherine mckenna when she was the environment
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minister so these people are taking advantage of our charitable tax structure here in canada
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to push for partisan liberal talking points that's what's happening and that's why that
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alberta inquiry is so important yes yes and uh again the alberta inquiry as i understand it
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is not intended to make a legal decision it's intended to simply follow the money and say well here's the
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money that's coming and going to these different groups and then other people i assume i don't know
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i haven't seen any of the drafts or anything but um other people can then say oh well that's interesting
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because when this money went there then this kind of thing happened in the market you know but we'll
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have to see how it turns out but that is why it's so important because again tax subsidized organizations
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using tax money taxpayer money to put taxpayers out of work in my opinion that is completely wrong
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yeah and one of those um members of the strath mirror group permanent institute if you go on to
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the federal government's grants website it is nothing but a series of grants headed from the federal
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government to the permanent institute where the permanent institute then uses that taxpayer money to push
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partisan talking points that put canadians out of jobs that's correct yeah in fact uh recently they
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got over 700 000 from natural resources canada i don't know what for they don't have that level
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of expertise in my opinion say that people who once worked at the neb did where they did highly
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technical reviews uh at the same time in 2018 they got another about 300 000 us from the energy
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energy foundation of the u.s so you know the foreign funding hasn't stopped to these groups
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and that one was to promote clean clean energy uh so um you know that this is really skewing public
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policy in canada in a way that you and i as citizens we don't have access to that money we don't
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have the same kind of platform we don't have that access to government even our own elected officials
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don't have that kind of money and influence because they're not meeting with the media
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for a big uh um pre-election um conference and communications workshop to set up the framing
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common to 12 huge environmental groups with the media in attendance you know that's another thing that
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i think people should be aware of that the media while it presents itself as you know we're non-partisan we
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watch the watchers or whatever they are meeting with these large-scale environmentalist groups
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who are funded by the liberals you've got staffers from these large-scale environmental groups
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working for the liberals and then you've got the media telling them how to communicate the issues
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because the media is not non-partisan they're in there like a dirty shirt too yeah yeah and also you
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know you have to think that some of these large um engos like ducks unlimited which apparently is not
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named in the allen inquiry even though they get tons of money but one thing that's interesting they and
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i think cpos have been running very heavy advertising campaigns on all the tv stations so you know if you're
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an advertiser a media outlet a journalist and you see wow these guys do have a lot of money to throw
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around and to advertise and there is such a thing as native advertising now where um sort of advertorials
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are placed op-eds are placed as if an actual op-ed but it's really a paid sponsored content and maybe in tiny
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letters it says sponsored content yeah but you know these groups can afford to do a lot of that
00:29:33.080
and groups like us who rely on the media to be fair and open when we send in a rebuttal it never gets published
00:29:39.560
yeah so we have to post it on our blog and this has happened time and again so you know there is no
00:29:45.720
fair balance happening at all and again you just mentioned something sorry to cut you off michelle
00:29:51.400
but you mentioned something that again you just glossed over because you and i both know but maybe
00:29:55.720
everybody else doesn't know you mentioned cpos cpos is an arm of the i think it's yellowstone to
00:30:02.920
yukon initiative where basically they are funded by american and large-scale uh foreign uh activist
00:30:11.800
groups large charities and foundations their main goal is to turn the entire eastern slope of the rocky
00:30:20.920
mountains into a park spanning from yellowstone to yukon and if you want to know who is exactly
00:30:28.920
responsible for putting the bug in the ndp's ear to close off public lands to people who use them
00:30:36.280
like me for quadding hunting fishing that's cpos yes i wrote an article about that in 2013 although i
00:30:44.200
don't know if y2y was in progress then but i called it the great eco wall of canada because that's
00:30:50.520
effectively what all these different engos have done in some way they laid claim to certain parts of land
00:30:57.160
so that you can't put your pipeline there because of the spotted owl and you can't put your pipeline
00:31:01.960
here because of these kind of berries and you can't put your transmission line there because this
00:31:06.360
land is sacred to someone and not always to the actual band but some new nominated uh you know well
00:31:14.200
now i'm a certain kind of first nations person outside of the context of my tribe and i say that this
00:31:20.920
is sacred so you know it's never ending the different kinds of excuses they come up with
00:31:27.160
for blockadia and then of course there's real blockadia um people should know that extinction
00:31:32.440
rebellion is calling for another road blockade of canada road and railroad blockade of canada
00:31:39.880
in october to completely shut down canada wow these people never end but i guess the money flowing to
00:31:46.840
them never never ends either and i think when we finally find a way to cut off the foreign money
00:31:52.280
flowing to them maybe they'll have to go get real jobs and domestic yeah and domestic thank you very
00:31:58.920
much now uh lastly before i let you go because you've been so generous with your time um friends
00:32:05.320
of science you guys have been sort of digging down into mark carney and um i think a lot of people
00:32:12.760
might know the name but they don't really know why they know the name um but he's recently announced
00:32:18.200
that he's not going to officially run for canadian politics however his hands are in so much that
00:32:24.440
the liberals are doing and not just here in canada he sort of has international influence um but why
00:32:30.760
don't you give us a colesnotes version of who mark carney is and why we need to worry about him
00:32:35.880
well um mark carney worked for goldman sachs for 13 years uh then he moved on he became the governor of
00:32:41.960
the bank of canada then the governor of the bank of england when he left there he was appointed un
00:32:47.080
special envoy on climate finance and action he's been advising the prime minister uh he's not a
00:32:53.240
registered lobbyist even though he's also at the same time the vice president of esg or vice chair of
00:32:59.720
esg environment social and governance for brookfield he's on the board of stripes which is a digital
00:33:06.840
uh money transaction uh firm fintech firm he's uh on the board of pimco he's uh he's on several boards
00:33:16.520
we've got two videos about him that are based on research done by parker gallant and parker is also
00:33:23.000
a former banker so this man is very very influential completely embedded in climate change as is his wife
00:33:31.240
diana fox carney and they're both very influential players and yet they seem to have these pecuniary
00:33:37.640
interests as well so um you know those are not the rules that ordinary people have to play by and
00:33:44.200
people should keep an eye on that michelle tell us how people can support the work that you do because
00:33:51.400
you guys at friends of science you're just this little sort of society and you are acting against
00:33:58.520
these huge foundations and environmental groups that as you point out um get all kinds of domestic
00:34:06.040
money public money and foreign funding to spread a message of fear and well doomsday um you offer
00:34:16.360
a more fact-based approach to that and you also offer people some i don't know anxiety relief i think is
00:34:24.600
the right thing when you're just inundated by the tv telling you that the world's going to end either by
00:34:30.120
covid or by climate change you offer sort of the flip side of that you tell the other side of the
00:34:35.240
story which here at rebel news we like about you guys tell us how people can support the work that you
00:34:39.560
do well you can become a member or you can donate you can go to our main website which is
00:34:44.920
friendsofscience.org um you can follow us on all of our social media we're on linkedin on facebook
00:34:53.080
on twitter on youtube on instagram um we have another youth oriented plain language website called
00:35:01.080
climate change 101.ca and we'd love to have you participate in our uh conversation and you know
00:35:09.240
if you're not rich at the moment just share our stuff join in the conversation we're not interested
00:35:15.000
in dogma we're interested in climate science interested in insights uh and um energy policy
00:35:23.640
cost benefit analysis and i will say also that we are very interested that minister wilkinson
00:35:30.120
has called for an adult debate on climate and energy policies and we think that that should happen
00:35:36.600
right now yeah i imagine though that the debate is not going to be a debate at all but just two
00:35:42.440
people agreeing with each other nodding because they're not gonna allow people like friends of science to
00:35:48.600
be involved in it i don't think i'll be shocked if they do and i and i encourage it because i can't
00:35:53.800
wait to see um some of the scientists that you work with run circles around the other side but that is
00:35:59.320
precisely why they probably won't have you there but we can continue this debate ourselves the public
00:36:05.160
exactly the media can open the debate if the government will not open the debate then we the
00:36:11.160
people have to do it and we have to demand full cost benefit analysis of these policies because
00:36:17.480
otherwise everyone will be broke there will be heat or eat poverty there will be cruel and unusual
00:36:23.880
punishment imposed on canadians it's not a laughing matter anymore it's not a matter of deniers or
00:36:30.680
compliers it's a very serious issue and we have to take action now you know that's one of the things
00:36:37.960
i i love about friends of science is that you take these big huge complex issues and you turn them into
00:36:43.720
what they actually mean for your family because i think a lot of times the politicians and the
00:36:48.920
environmental activists they rely on the fact that they use overly complicated explanations and terms
00:36:55.480
to mean uh a tithe to the climate gods to change the weather in the form of a carbon tax they they
00:37:02.440
call it a carbon levy they they use these broad huge terms because they think that canadians aren't
00:37:08.520
smart enough to see through what they're doing and you speak directly to canadians through your youtube
00:37:13.800
channel which i cannot recommend enough thank you yes michelle thanks so much for coming on the show
00:37:20.280
we'll have you back on again very very soon um enjoy the rest of your summer and uh i don't know
00:37:25.320
know stay out of the smoke i guess thank you thanks sheila all the best
00:37:37.400
i think the world needs to calm down and chill out if we've learned anything from the climate crisis
00:37:44.120
and now covid it's that politicians need to have you in a constant state of fear and anxiety for you to
00:37:50.520
accept the absolutely irrational and expensive things they want to do to you all in the name
00:37:57.160
of saving you from the crisis they won't shut up about and that what they're trying to save you from
00:38:03.320
might not be a crisis at all the media though they're all too happy to help the politicians scare you
00:38:09.560
on the flip side as long as the mainstream media remains terrible and one-sided i guess i guess i've got
00:38:16.840
job security telling you the other side of the story they don't want you to know well everybody
00:38:21.560
that's the show for tonight thank you so much as always for tuning in i'll see everybody back here
00:38:26.440
or wherever in the same time next week and remember don't let the government tell you that you've had too