Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Tom Harris on how the radical left hijacked the environmentalist movement

00:00:00.000 How the Climate Crusade hijacked the environmental movement.

00:00:03.500 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:23.120 Did you know that it was just very recently Earth Day?

00:00:25.420 It sort of came and went, and I wouldn't have noticed or cared

00:00:29.100 except the politicians generally won't shut up about this sort of thing.

00:00:33.300 But I think that normal people actually don't care about climate change.

00:00:37.580 They're told by the television and talking heads

00:00:42.180 that they're supposed to care about climate change.

00:00:44.100 They're told by politicians that it is a looming global crisis.

00:00:49.020 Actually, we're already basically dying.

00:00:51.520 The doomsday clock is ticking on humanity.

00:00:54.020 But I think normal people just trying to pay their bills,

00:00:57.020 buy groceries, pick up the kids, get them to hockey,

00:01:00.120 and save a little money for a rainy day.

00:01:02.460 I don't think those people care about climate change,

00:01:04.660 except insofar as climate policies make their lives a little bit more expensive.

00:01:09.740 I think normal people care about a cleaner environment,

00:01:13.100 real pollution, not leaving garbage all over the place,

00:01:16.100 no particulate in the atmosphere.

00:01:18.040 I think normal people care about those sorts of things.

00:01:20.540 But the idea that the product of your own respiration

00:01:24.860 might be leading to your own demise,

00:01:27.160 I don't think normal people care about that sort of stuff.

00:01:30.820 And neither does my guest today,

00:01:33.100 Tom Harris of the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:01:36.600 He joins me today to talk about how the environmentalist movement

00:01:40.900 was hijacked by the climate crusade,

00:01:44.460 and why conservatives really should not give a hoot,

00:01:49.320 as he says, about climate change.

00:01:51.580 Here's the interview we recorded Tuesday afternoon.

00:02:01.560 So joining me now from his home in Ottawa

00:02:04.240 is my friend and good friend of the show,

00:02:06.560 Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada.

00:02:10.000 And Tom, you are going to be at what is

00:02:14.500 what the Manning Centre Conference used to be.

00:02:18.440 Why don't you tell us about that?

00:02:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:20.840 It's, I believe it's called Proud and Free.

00:02:23.260 I'm not sure of the exact title.

00:02:24.200 Strong and Free Network.

00:02:25.540 Strong and Free.

00:02:26.240 There you go.

00:02:27.220 Okay.

00:02:27.980 And it's going to be bringing together

00:02:29.660 all the conservative leadership candidates.

00:02:31.620 In fact, the first night will be a debate between them all.

00:02:34.620 So that's going to be pretty interesting.

00:02:36.100 But it brings in real grassroots conservatives

00:02:39.800 from across Canada.

00:02:41.380 And there'll be a number of booths,

00:02:43.040 one of which is ours.

00:02:44.240 And we'll be having a big sign saying,

00:02:46.740 very politically incorrect,

00:02:48.500 saying there is no climate emergency.

00:02:52.300 So, you know, basically telling people,

00:02:54.360 look, if you try and stop it,

00:02:55.740 you're just going to ruin our economy

00:02:57.260 and hurt our most vulnerable people.

00:02:59.340 And that's what our big banner is going to say.

00:03:02.360 And we have handouts, you know,

00:03:03.620 describing how the primary cause of climate change

00:03:06.240 is undoubtedly the sun.

00:03:07.740 So the only effect that we can have

00:03:11.260 is to adapt to climate change.

00:03:13.440 And, you know, it's interesting, Sheila,

00:03:14.580 I was thinking the climate issue

00:03:17.860 should not even be part of the environment file.

00:03:20.740 Because if you think about it,

00:03:22.220 if the only way we can handle climate change

00:03:24.500 is through adaptation or building resilience,

00:03:27.940 there's two things.

00:03:29.120 One is it's not an environmental issue

00:03:31.120 because, indeed, we can't control climate change,

00:03:33.880 so our emissions makes no difference.

00:03:36.100 But the other thing is,

00:03:37.220 it's a public works issue.

00:03:38.980 Because if we're trying to increase

00:03:40.600 the resilience of society,

00:03:42.040 if we're trying to increase our ability

00:03:44.240 to adapt to whatever climate change occurs,

00:03:47.360 warming or cooling or whatever,

00:03:49.040 it's a public works issue.

00:03:51.120 And not only that,

00:03:51.980 it's not a national issue at all.

00:03:54.060 Because it might be warming in Edmonton

00:03:55.880 or cooling in Ottawa.

00:03:57.660 You don't have a national policy

00:03:59.520 for climate change.

00:04:00.760 What you need are regional policies

00:04:02.700 that are with respect to public works.

00:04:05.760 So the government is wrong

00:04:07.080 totally across the board.

00:04:08.380 Not only are we not causing

00:04:09.880 dangerous climate change,

00:04:11.420 we're causing practically none.

00:04:13.340 But secondly,

00:04:14.180 it shouldn't even be combined

00:04:15.680 with environment.

00:04:16.540 You know, they've renamed

00:04:17.380 the environment portfolio

00:04:18.740 environment and climate change,

00:04:20.860 which is a bit ironic

00:04:22.100 because, I mean,

00:04:23.680 if environment was part of climate change,

00:04:25.800 sorry, if the climate change

00:04:26.700 was part of environment,

00:04:27.560 you wouldn't have to say that.

00:04:28.680 But in fact,

00:04:30.060 they really should get rid

00:04:31.360 of that portfolio entirely.

00:04:33.000 Climate should be a regional issue

00:04:35.020 where you build dikes

00:04:36.600 if your rivers are overflowing, okay?

00:04:39.140 Or if there's leak,

00:04:40.480 you know,

00:04:40.700 if the sea level's overflowing.

00:04:42.880 Snow removal.

00:04:44.220 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:45.820 So, I mean,

00:04:46.820 and in fact,

00:04:47.500 global climate

00:04:48.460 is really a silly concept

00:04:50.800 if you think about it.

00:04:52.220 Why should we be worried

00:04:53.540 about global climate change?

00:04:55.080 I mean,

00:04:55.220 all that matters

00:04:56.060 is what's happening

00:04:56.860 in your region, okay?

00:04:58.600 So, you want to adapt

00:04:59.720 to warmer or colder temperatures,

00:05:01.760 more or less rain,

00:05:02.680 more or less flooding,

00:05:03.580 whatever it is

00:05:04.360 in your local vicinity.

00:05:06.420 So, the whole point

00:05:07.460 is that

00:05:08.120 in the leadership debate,

00:05:10.080 I hope,

00:05:11.100 I have a hope

00:05:12.000 for one candidate anyway,

00:05:13.440 Roman Bobber

00:05:14.060 may bring up

00:05:14.680 the right stuff,

00:05:15.500 but the whole point

00:05:16.820 of having a national

00:05:17.900 climate change policy

00:05:19.360 makes no sense at all.

00:05:20.940 They should have

00:05:21.940 regional adaptation

00:05:24.040 and resilience policies.

00:05:26.200 That makes sense.

00:05:27.560 So, you know,

00:05:28.400 I think that

00:05:28.940 the whole focus

00:05:30.520 of the climate movement

00:05:31.560 is pretty ridiculous.

00:05:33.540 You know,

00:05:34.020 it's interesting,

00:05:34.840 we were interviewing

00:05:35.440 a physicist

00:05:36.120 by the name

00:05:36.760 of William Happer

00:05:37.680 from Princeton University

00:05:38.780 last week,

00:05:39.780 and he's done

00:05:40.560 some real groundbreaking work

00:05:42.440 on what is

00:05:43.520 the possible impact

00:05:44.940 of a doubling

00:05:46.080 of carbon dioxide

00:05:47.180 from today's levels.

00:05:48.340 And what he shows

00:05:49.780 through a very complicated

00:05:50.920 and very sophisticated analysis

00:05:52.580 is that it would reduce

00:05:54.300 the amount of radiation

00:05:55.800 going to space

00:05:57.240 by 1%,

00:05:58.980 1% reduction

00:06:00.720 in the heat energy

00:06:02.420 leaving the Earth,

00:06:03.680 okay,

00:06:03.960 because of a doubling

00:06:04.920 of CO2.

00:06:05.640 So, we're talking

00:06:06.160 about 840 parts per million

00:06:08.180 instead of 420

00:06:09.880 like we have now.

00:06:11.140 And so, I asked him,

00:06:12.000 I said,

00:06:12.420 what impact

00:06:13.220 would that 1% change

00:06:14.880 in radiative output

00:06:16.020 from the Earth,

00:06:17.160 what would that do

00:06:18.280 to temperature?

00:06:19.320 And he explained

00:06:20.280 exactly what it would do.

00:06:21.820 What it would do

00:06:22.580 is somewhat less

00:06:23.840 than 1 degree Celsius,

00:06:26.320 okay?

00:06:27.080 So, we've got

00:06:28.560 what they call

00:06:29.220 a climate emergency.

00:06:30.620 Thousands of jurisdictions

00:06:31.820 around the world

00:06:32.660 have declared

00:06:33.360 a climate emergency

00:06:34.620 when, in fact,

00:06:35.820 even if we double CO2,

00:06:37.740 we're going to have

00:06:38.440 an increase in temperature

00:06:39.480 of less than 1%.

00:06:40.840 So, I actually ask people,

00:06:43.640 well,

00:06:44.360 if there's a climate emergency,

00:06:45.800 show it to me.

00:06:46.480 Like, how much

00:06:47.320 do you think

00:06:47.780 the average temperature

00:06:48.760 of the Earth

00:06:49.320 has gone up?

00:06:50.160 And that's kind of

00:06:51.020 a meaningless statistic

00:06:51.980 because we just said,

00:06:52.920 who cares?

00:06:54.080 But how much

00:06:54.820 has that statistic

00:06:55.780 gone up

00:06:56.460 since, let's say,

00:06:57.560 1880?

00:06:58.620 And in that time,

00:06:59.760 there's been

00:07:00.100 a 50% increase

00:07:01.360 in CO2.

00:07:02.520 It turns out

00:07:03.160 it's gone up

00:07:03.740 1.2 degrees.

00:07:06.700 1.2 degrees.

00:07:08.480 That's a climate emergency?

00:07:10.580 No.

00:07:11.460 And polar bears.

00:07:12.680 Polar bear populations

00:07:13.700 are thriving.

00:07:14.980 Yeah.

00:07:15.920 Sea level is not

00:07:17.140 increasing at an

00:07:17.940 unusual rate.

00:07:19.060 Extreme weather events

00:07:20.220 were mostly,

00:07:21.000 the records were

00:07:21.600 mostly set in the 1930s.

00:07:23.220 So, there's nothing

00:07:24.120 going on in the real world.

00:07:26.540 The whole climate scare

00:07:27.720 is based on forecasts

00:07:29.240 of the future,

00:07:30.660 forecasts that have

00:07:31.380 not worked so far,

00:07:32.900 and forecasts which,

00:07:34.100 if you do the physics

00:07:35.100 properly,

00:07:36.020 show that the increase

00:07:37.040 in temperature

00:07:37.560 is going to be trivial.

00:07:39.200 So, the whole climate

00:07:40.360 scare, unfortunately,

00:07:41.600 has taken over

00:07:42.640 the environmental movement.

00:07:44.440 You know, I did a Google

00:07:45.240 search the other day

00:07:46.120 to see, okay,

00:07:47.400 I'll search for Earth Day

00:07:48.880 and climate change.

00:07:50.320 I'll search for Earth Day

00:07:51.720 and air pollution

00:07:52.880 and various other things.

00:07:54.360 And it turns out

00:07:55.240 that if you take

00:07:56.020 air pollution,

00:07:56.900 land pollution,

00:07:57.620 ocean pollution,

00:07:58.480 species at risk,

00:07:59.760 and climate change,

00:08:01.380 climate change came up

00:08:02.760 as an association

00:08:03.620 with Earth Day

00:08:05.440 80% of the time.

00:08:07.180 And the others

00:08:09.120 were some fraction

00:08:10.000 of the 20%.

00:08:11.040 And the same thing

00:08:12.200 with Earth Hour,

00:08:13.660 the same thing

00:08:14.300 with Environment Day,

00:08:16.640 which is the 5th of June,

00:08:18.580 okay, and Earth Month,

00:08:20.040 Earth Month,

00:08:20.800 which is about the same.

00:08:22.200 So, climate change,

00:08:23.440 which is a totally

00:08:24.260 fictitious environmental cause,

00:08:26.720 I mean, it makes

00:08:27.460 no sense at all.

00:08:28.280 As I say,

00:08:28.680 it should be a public

00:08:29.300 works issue.

00:08:31.120 Climate change

00:08:31.760 has come to dominate

00:08:32.760 the environmental movement.

00:08:34.760 And, you know,

00:08:35.480 anybody associated

00:08:36.500 with the climate scare

00:08:37.720 when it's finally revealed

00:08:39.080 that people like Dr. Happer

00:08:41.080 are right

00:08:41.620 and that we certainly

00:08:43.260 have no climate emergency

00:08:44.800 and none forecast either,

00:08:46.560 even with a doubling of CO2,

00:08:48.560 when the whole climate scare

00:08:50.240 becomes disgraced,

00:08:52.040 whoever is associated

00:08:53.020 with it will be disgraced too.

00:08:55.220 And that includes,

00:08:56.000 by the way,

00:08:56.400 nuclear power,

00:08:57.280 who are using it

00:08:57.980 as a great marketing tool,

00:08:59.380 which I think is kind of sad

00:09:01.080 because nuclear power

00:09:02.320 is important,

00:09:03.020 but not because

00:09:04.060 of climate change.

00:09:04.960 And so,

00:09:06.340 the environmental movement

00:09:07.160 as a whole

00:09:08.200 should be very concerned

00:09:09.260 about this

00:09:09.780 because their favorite child,

00:09:12.540 you know,

00:09:12.760 their poster child

00:09:13.720 will be disgraced

00:09:15.260 and they will be

00:09:16.340 along with it.

00:09:17.940 And so,

00:09:18.900 you know,

00:09:19.160 the bottom line is

00:09:20.060 the conservatives are,

00:09:21.500 most of them

00:09:21.940 are making a huge mistake

00:09:23.200 by allying themselves

00:09:24.460 with the climate scare.

00:09:26.940 Yeah,

00:09:27.180 you know,

00:09:27.620 when you talk about

00:09:29.180 how they measure

00:09:32.540 this sort of stuff,

00:09:33.740 there's a reason

00:09:34.460 why they call you

00:09:35.940 a science denier

00:09:36.920 the second you

00:09:37.760 just scrape

00:09:39.640 the surface

00:09:40.220 of the science

00:09:41.720 of the climate movement.

00:09:44.820 For example,

00:09:45.760 how they measure

00:09:46.640 this global temperature,

00:09:48.280 which,

00:09:48.560 as you say,

00:09:48.900 is absolutely absurd.

00:09:50.560 I watched

00:09:51.380 this fascinating video

00:09:53.240 and as I describe it,

00:09:56.540 it's going to sound boring,

00:09:57.380 but it's not at all

00:09:58.600 by Michelle Sterling

00:10:00.120 at Friends of Science

00:10:01.040 where she tries

00:10:02.300 to explain to people

00:10:03.880 why this sort of

00:10:05.680 global mean temperature

00:10:07.580 idea

00:10:09.160 doesn't even make sense

00:10:10.920 because she put,

00:10:12.920 she,

00:10:13.180 and she showed it

00:10:13.820 in the most basic way

00:10:14.860 and then as soon as

00:10:15.520 she did it,

00:10:15.940 I was like,

00:10:16.400 yeah,

00:10:16.780 of course.

00:10:17.880 She put temperature,

00:10:19.160 like,

00:10:19.720 thermometers

00:10:20.160 all around her yard

00:10:21.240 and it varied wildly

00:10:24.500 all over the place

00:10:25.820 based on where

00:10:26.620 she had the temperature

00:10:27.500 and so she said,

00:10:29.020 you know,

00:10:29.260 when you go

00:10:30.120 and you get

00:10:30.780 the weather

00:10:31.400 on your phone

00:10:32.080 or your computer,

00:10:33.540 it's only the temperature

00:10:35.280 at that weather station

00:10:36.980 at that moment,

00:10:38.420 not even five feet away

00:10:40.220 from where the weather station is.

00:10:42.400 That can vary wildly.

00:10:44.620 So how can they make

00:10:45.960 these doomsday predictions

00:10:47.800 that if you exceed

00:10:49.040 whatever it is,

00:10:49.740 two degrees Celsius

00:10:50.820 or one point five

00:10:51.760 to stay alive.

00:10:52.760 Yeah,

00:10:53.180 one point five

00:10:53.760 to stay alive.

00:10:54.480 Catchy little

00:10:55.080 ditty that one.

00:10:56.540 But how do they

00:10:57.380 even know that?

00:10:58.120 How would you even

00:10:58.720 think to measure that

00:10:59.740 when it's,

00:11:00.880 it varies so wildly

00:11:03.340 and she said,

00:11:03.940 just to get an accurate

00:11:05.120 snapshot

00:11:06.080 of what the

00:11:07.820 average temperature is

00:11:09.560 in a tiny spot

00:11:10.760 like her backyard,

00:11:11.420 you would need

00:11:12.300 like 30 thermometers

00:11:14.480 way up,

00:11:15.940 sticking way up

00:11:16.700 in the air

00:11:17.180 so that they aren't

00:11:17.860 affected by any

00:11:19.220 of the topography

00:11:20.100 around them.

00:11:21.080 And so how did,

00:11:22.840 how do they give me

00:11:23.700 this 1.5 number?

00:11:25.300 They can't.

00:11:25.960 They just picked it up

00:11:26.920 because it's catchy,

00:11:28.000 right?

00:11:28.560 That's right.

00:11:29.220 Well, it's very perceptive

00:11:30.300 of Michelle to do that

00:11:31.340 because in fact,

00:11:32.500 if you think about it,

00:11:33.460 how do they get

00:11:34.140 an average temperature

00:11:35.040 for the whole world?

00:11:36.860 Okay.

00:11:37.420 They have almost

00:11:38.280 no temperature measuring

00:11:40.020 buoys in the ocean.

00:11:41.860 Okay.

00:11:42.120 And that's what,

00:11:42.940 two thirds of the,

00:11:43.700 70% of the earth.

00:11:45.180 They have almost none

00:11:46.360 in the high mountains.

00:11:47.300 They have almost none

00:11:48.200 in Antarctica or Greenland

00:11:50.260 or, you know,

00:11:50.800 there are huge areas

00:11:51.740 of the earth,

00:11:52.280 even in the modern

00:11:53.180 temperature record

00:11:54.100 that have no temperature data.

00:11:56.880 And the other point,

00:11:58.300 of course,

00:11:58.520 is that in the 1930s,

00:12:00.540 let's say,

00:12:01.680 most of the world

00:12:02.680 had no temperature data

00:12:03.860 at all.

00:12:04.740 So, I mean,

00:12:05.260 if you're comparing today,

00:12:06.660 which is incomplete

00:12:07.540 with, let's say,

00:12:08.960 a hundred years ago

00:12:09.800 to talk about the temperature

00:12:10.920 rise in the last century,

00:12:12.800 how do you do that

00:12:13.800 when you have like 90%

00:12:15.260 of the earth

00:12:15.760 wasn't even covered

00:12:16.660 in the early part

00:12:17.840 of the 20th century?

00:12:19.080 And the other point

00:12:20.000 is this,

00:12:20.420 and this is,

00:12:20.860 this will blow your mind.

00:12:22.120 You cannot average temperature.

00:12:24.440 Now, this is something

00:12:25.160 most people think you can,

00:12:26.820 you know,

00:12:27.020 if you want to average height,

00:12:29.060 what it's equivalent

00:12:29.980 to lining up everybody.

00:12:31.260 If you want to get

00:12:31.960 an average height

00:12:32.520 of a group of people,

00:12:33.400 you could line them all up

00:12:34.820 on a gymnasium floor,

00:12:36.240 head to toe,

00:12:36.740 head to toe,

00:12:37.500 measure the total height

00:12:38.620 of everybody together

00:12:39.640 and then divide

00:12:40.360 by the number of people

00:12:41.300 and you could get

00:12:42.260 the average height.

00:12:43.440 Okay.

00:12:44.080 But you can't do that

00:12:45.560 with temperature

00:12:46.180 because temperature

00:12:46.960 is not that kind

00:12:48.160 of a variable.

00:12:49.040 It's like density

00:12:49.760 or viscosity.

00:12:50.820 You can't actually

00:12:51.860 average temperature.

00:12:53.100 You can average

00:12:53.880 temperature statistic,

00:12:55.360 but it's not a temperature.

00:12:57.040 What you get

00:12:57.760 is simply a statistic.

00:12:59.480 I'll give you

00:13:00.080 another analogy.

00:13:00.880 It's a little bit

00:13:01.460 like taking all

00:13:02.300 the phone numbers

00:13:03.120 in a telephone book,

00:13:04.720 adding them all up

00:13:05.660 and dividing

00:13:06.140 by the number

00:13:06.760 of phone numbers

00:13:07.440 and saying,

00:13:08.260 well,

00:13:08.720 this is the phone number

00:13:10.060 of the average person.

00:13:11.480 Right.

00:13:12.360 It doesn't make any sense.

00:13:13.560 And one of the ways

00:13:14.740 you can test

00:13:15.520 to see if you can

00:13:16.600 actually average

00:13:17.580 any physical parameter

00:13:19.280 is asking yourself

00:13:20.980 if you took

00:13:21.940 an imaginary number

00:13:22.980 that doesn't mean anything

00:13:24.160 and you divided it

00:13:25.460 by a real number,

00:13:26.980 would you get

00:13:27.500 a meaningful number?

00:13:28.420 Well,

00:13:28.540 most people would say,

00:13:29.280 well,

00:13:29.400 of course not.

00:13:30.000 If you start

00:13:30.580 with an unreal number,

00:13:32.100 you know,

00:13:32.660 a number that doesn't

00:13:33.320 mean anything

00:13:33.820 and you divide

00:13:34.520 by anything,

00:13:35.140 it's not going

00:13:35.720 to mean anything.

00:13:36.760 And that's exactly

00:13:37.460 what happens

00:13:37.920 with temperature

00:13:38.420 because let's say

00:13:39.520 you add up

00:13:40.200 all these temperatures

00:13:41.320 all across the world

00:13:42.340 and you get

00:13:42.760 some incredibly

00:13:43.580 big number,

00:13:44.580 you know,

00:13:44.840 a quadrillion

00:13:45.480 or something.

00:13:46.500 And then what?

00:13:47.360 You divide it

00:13:48.060 by the number

00:13:48.600 of temperature stations.

00:13:49.780 Well,

00:13:49.940 that intermediate

00:13:50.680 number means nothing.

00:13:52.140 It means nothing.

00:13:53.100 Okay.

00:13:53.420 It's not the temperature

00:13:54.300 of anything.

00:13:55.360 So the whole concept

00:13:57.220 of average temperature

00:13:58.300 doesn't mean anything.

00:13:59.180 You can actually say,

00:14:00.360 okay,

00:14:00.580 we can take a statistic

00:14:01.840 and we can average that.

00:14:03.520 It's not a real temperature.

00:14:05.040 So the whole point

00:14:05.800 is that I always put

00:14:06.580 global temperatures

00:14:07.440 in quotes

00:14:08.040 because it isn't

00:14:09.560 actually a temperature

00:14:10.500 at all.

00:14:11.880 And we have to,

00:14:12.680 you know,

00:14:12.840 one thing I'd like to do

00:14:13.620 is take a step back

00:14:15.160 and ask how much money

00:14:17.080 has been spent

00:14:18.040 on this climate thing

00:14:20.580 and, you know,

00:14:21.440 this climate cult.

00:14:22.980 And that's essentially

00:14:23.740 what it is.

00:14:24.320 I mean,

00:14:24.500 it's a cult

00:14:25.000 because, you know,

00:14:25.980 people have to believe in it.

00:14:27.400 And if you question

00:14:28.040 any elements of it,

00:14:29.060 you're an evil denier.

00:14:30.540 And I just wanted to read

00:14:31.460 to you a couple

00:14:31.920 of interesting numbers here.

00:14:33.800 I just scroll up here.

00:14:36.160 Okay.

00:14:37.100 Sorry.

00:14:37.600 Take you a while.

00:14:38.320 No, it's okay.

00:14:38.780 In the last 30 years,

00:14:41.340 there's been an expenditure

00:14:42.540 of 3.7 trillion U.S. dollars

00:14:45.800 on climate measures.

00:14:47.340 3.7 trillion.

00:14:48.840 Okay.

00:14:49.400 And the interesting thing

00:14:51.040 is that the amount

00:14:52.360 of energy

00:14:53.600 that's being generated

00:14:54.740 by alternative energy,

00:14:56.000 wind and solar,

00:14:56.800 has virtually stayed the same.

00:14:58.440 Right now,

00:14:58.820 there's about 84%

00:15:00.680 of the world's primary

00:15:02.180 energy consumption

00:15:03.060 is coming from fossil fuels.

00:15:05.200 And how much

00:15:06.420 has that changed?

00:15:07.040 We put 3.7 billion dollars,

00:15:09.360 sorry,

00:15:09.660 trillion dollars into it.

00:15:11.240 And we've seen

00:15:12.240 no change at all

00:15:13.620 in the fraction

00:15:14.700 of energy

00:15:15.240 that comes from

00:15:16.460 wind and solar.

00:15:17.800 Now,

00:15:18.180 what has this done

00:15:19.080 to the jobs?

00:15:20.160 Okay.

00:15:20.300 Because we're always told,

00:15:21.140 oh,

00:15:21.380 there's going to be

00:15:22.180 lots of an increase

00:15:23.160 in jobs.

00:15:24.140 Well,

00:15:24.260 here's a couple

00:15:24.740 of interesting studies.

00:15:26.420 Spain provided subsidies

00:15:27.920 of more than

00:15:28.620 a million euros,

00:15:29.920 a million euros

00:15:31.160 per job.

00:15:31.940 And the resulting

00:15:33.280 high electricity rates

00:15:34.860 destroyed 2.2 jobs

00:15:38.360 for every job

00:15:39.480 green job created.

00:15:40.920 So they put in

00:15:42.100 a million euros

00:15:42.960 per job

00:15:43.480 to the wind industry

00:15:44.360 and they destroyed

00:15:45.880 2.2 jobs

00:15:47.440 for every green job

00:15:48.720 created because

00:15:49.380 of the high electricity rates.

00:15:51.140 Here's another statistic

00:15:52.100 from Italy.

00:15:53.380 The same amount

00:15:54.140 of capital

00:15:54.580 that creates

00:15:55.340 one job

00:15:56.140 in the green sector

00:15:57.120 in Italy

00:15:57.600 would create

00:15:58.960 6.9 jobs

00:16:00.360 if it was invested

00:16:01.320 in other industries.

00:16:02.960 Wow.

00:16:03.160 And here's one

00:16:03.700 in the United Kingdom.

00:16:04.900 For every job

00:16:05.820 created in the

00:16:06.720 renewable energy

00:16:07.700 by, you know,

00:16:08.740 the British government

00:16:09.580 pouring billions

00:16:10.700 of dollars in,

00:16:11.900 3.7 jobs

00:16:13.400 were lost

00:16:14.340 in other sectors.

00:16:15.680 So one of the things

00:16:16.640 they say

00:16:17.140 is that we're

00:16:17.760 creating jobs.

00:16:18.700 This is a jobs program.

00:16:20.080 It's a just transition

00:16:21.260 is what they say.

00:16:22.000 It's a just transition.

00:16:23.340 You'll just

00:16:23.740 move laterally

00:16:25.240 to be a nipple greaser

00:16:27.020 on the windmill

00:16:27.900 farms of tomorrow.

00:16:29.860 That's what they say.

00:16:31.080 You could just

00:16:31.620 quit your drilling rig job,

00:16:33.120 your welding job,

00:16:33.980 your service rig job

00:16:35.380 and just go work

00:16:36.460 on the windmill farm.

00:16:37.740 But apparently

00:16:38.460 that's not how it works.

00:16:39.760 Well, no.

00:16:40.640 And you destroy

00:16:41.360 more jobs

00:16:42.180 outside of the

00:16:43.080 renewable sector

00:16:43.760 than you create in it.

00:16:45.260 And here's a couple

00:16:45.980 of interesting statistics.

00:16:46.860 If we wanted to

00:16:48.000 electrify

00:16:49.180 the whole of

00:16:50.200 Canada's economy,

00:16:51.760 okay,

00:16:52.000 we want to move

00:16:52.680 everything to electricity,

00:16:53.720 our cars,

00:16:54.440 our heating,

00:16:55.040 everything.

00:16:55.880 The cost would be

00:16:56.800 somewhere between

00:16:57.500 $3.6 and $5.9 trillion

00:16:59.900 for Canada.

00:17:01.260 And that works out

00:17:02.660 to $7,760

00:17:05.580 per year

00:17:06.620 for every person

00:17:08.140 or every household

00:17:09.000 in Canada.

00:17:10.000 $7,760.

00:17:11.520 Can I just take the cash?

00:17:14.060 And I'm sad

00:17:15.240 to have to tell you,

00:17:16.240 but it'll be much higher

00:17:17.320 in Alberta

00:17:17.960 and Newfoundland

00:17:18.740 and Labrador.

00:17:19.200 So we're talking

00:17:20.300 about almost

00:17:20.780 $8,000

00:17:21.440 on average

00:17:22.780 taken per year

00:17:24.020 out of the

00:17:25.100 average household

00:17:26.100 to electrify

00:17:27.700 our infrastructure

00:17:29.500 when, in fact,

00:17:30.920 we've spent

00:17:31.640 huge amounts

00:17:32.360 of money.

00:17:32.860 We haven't succeeded

00:17:33.680 in electrifying

00:17:35.080 to date.

00:17:36.200 And, of course,

00:17:36.620 it's had no impact

00:17:37.520 on climate change.

00:17:38.520 So, you know,

00:17:39.640 the climate scare

00:17:40.840 has become,

00:17:41.720 as I say,

00:17:42.120 a cult.

00:17:43.080 And it is now

00:17:44.260 dominating

00:17:44.880 the environmental

00:17:45.440 movement so much

00:17:46.700 that I think

00:17:47.840 even environmentalists

00:17:49.000 should be scared

00:17:49.720 because this will

00:17:51.180 eventually collapse.

00:17:52.700 I mean,

00:17:52.860 I don't know

00:17:53.160 if it's going

00:17:53.500 to happen

00:17:53.840 in the next five years.

00:17:55.180 I mean,

00:17:55.320 we're pushing

00:17:55.760 for it to happen

00:17:56.560 as soon as possible.

00:17:58.280 But in the meantime,

00:17:59.540 I think that

00:18:00.540 people that lead

00:18:01.580 our industry

00:18:02.220 and lead our government

00:18:03.260 have got to take

00:18:04.320 a step back

00:18:05.020 because it will

00:18:05.880 literally ruin Canada

00:18:07.340 if we allow

00:18:08.720 this to continue.

00:18:09.740 Because, you know,

00:18:10.380 our largest source

00:18:11.460 of revenue,

00:18:12.040 of course,

00:18:12.280 is our natural resources

00:18:13.440 and it is ruining

00:18:14.600 those natural resources.

00:18:16.080 And there is

00:18:17.340 an incredible weapon

00:18:19.060 that's available

00:18:19.920 to fight back.

00:18:21.740 And I'll just show you.

00:18:22.440 I'll just grab it

00:18:23.020 from my shelf here

00:18:23.740 in just a second.

00:18:27.740 Things like this.

00:18:29.440 This is the

00:18:30.420 Non-Governmental

00:18:31.400 International Panel

00:18:32.440 on Climate Change.

00:18:33.560 Thousands of peer-reviewed

00:18:35.240 scientific references

00:18:36.280 and this is only

00:18:37.000 one volume

00:18:38.020 of four volumes.

00:18:40.420 I'll be handing out

00:18:41.460 the summary to this.

00:18:42.940 Good.

00:18:43.200 It's a small document.

00:18:44.400 We're going to hand out

00:18:45.440 a summary to this

00:18:46.340 at the conference.

00:18:48.200 And this is

00:18:49.120 the Sherman tank

00:18:50.180 that people

00:18:51.400 in the fossil fuel industry,

00:18:53.180 people in the government

00:18:54.120 can use

00:18:55.080 to kill

00:18:55.700 the climate scare.

00:18:56.940 But so far

00:18:57.780 they're afraid

00:18:58.440 to use it.

00:18:59.380 And, you know,

00:18:59.740 the sad thing is

00:19:00.620 I was listening

00:19:01.820 to an audio

00:19:02.540 the other night.

00:19:03.380 It's called

00:19:03.980 It's How to Take Back

00:19:06.660 America

00:19:07.100 from Left Wingers.

00:19:08.660 Okay.

00:19:09.300 It's Rules for Radical

00:19:11.200 Conservatives

00:19:11.880 by David DeHane.

00:19:13.220 Yeah, it's really excellent.

00:19:14.440 People can listen

00:19:15.020 to it on Audible.

00:19:16.200 And the analogy

00:19:16.980 that he uses

00:19:17.660 I think is beautiful.

00:19:18.660 He says,

00:19:19.300 imagine your home

00:19:20.380 is being invaded

00:19:21.260 by robbers,

00:19:22.820 okay,

00:19:23.160 and murderers.

00:19:23.900 They're smashing

00:19:24.460 into your house

00:19:25.080 and you're forced

00:19:26.060 into your back room.

00:19:27.560 And, oh my goodness,

00:19:28.920 look at that.

00:19:29.480 In your back room

00:19:30.280 you have a submachine gun,

00:19:32.200 you have a grenade launcher,

00:19:33.840 you got tear gas,

00:19:35.140 you have all the very

00:19:36.200 most modern weapons.

00:19:37.480 I mean,

00:19:37.600 you could hold off

00:19:38.320 an army

00:19:38.860 with the arsenal

00:19:40.200 that's in your back room

00:19:41.740 and the people

00:19:42.880 that are breaking in,

00:19:44.180 they're smashing

00:19:44.880 through your door,

00:19:46.080 you know,

00:19:46.380 your children are crying,

00:19:47.760 everyone's upset,

00:19:48.640 they're turning to you,

00:19:49.420 they're saying,

00:19:49.880 use the weapons,

00:19:51.160 use the weapons.

00:19:52.340 But you say,

00:19:52.960 no, no,

00:19:53.920 I don't think

00:19:54.780 that would be right.

00:19:55.860 I don't think

00:19:56.740 I'll use the weapons.

00:19:57.880 And so you

00:19:58.620 and your family

00:19:59.360 all die.

00:20:00.900 And that's what's

00:20:01.680 happening in Canada.

00:20:02.820 We have the weapons.

00:20:04.100 We can show

00:20:05.240 that the climate scare

00:20:06.380 is absolutely ridiculous.

00:20:08.760 You know,

00:20:08.900 the whole concept

00:20:09.780 of controlling climate

00:20:11.400 is like controlling

00:20:12.500 continental drift

00:20:13.300 or something.

00:20:13.860 I mean,

00:20:14.300 climate is natural change

00:20:17.160 all the time.

00:20:18.200 There's no question about it.

00:20:19.300 And we have the weapons

00:20:20.620 to defeat it.

00:20:21.540 We have leading experts

00:20:22.800 across the world.

00:20:23.820 William Happer,

00:20:24.480 I was just quoting,

00:20:25.720 you know,

00:20:25.900 saying that the very most

00:20:27.300 we're going to see

00:20:27.860 with a doubling of CO2

00:20:29.320 is one degree C.

00:20:31.640 And, you know,

00:20:32.380 so why won't we

00:20:33.840 use the weapons?

00:20:34.720 We would rather see

00:20:35.680 Canada die

00:20:36.860 and our children,

00:20:38.520 you know,

00:20:38.780 massacred in the analogy

00:20:40.160 than use the weapons

00:20:42.380 that are available to us.

00:20:44.080 So what I'd like to see

00:20:45.660 is not Pierre Paglia

00:20:46.740 saying,

00:20:47.340 oh,

00:20:47.580 we're not going to have

00:20:48.280 a carbon tax.

00:20:49.120 We're going to have

00:20:49.740 carbon sequestration.

00:20:51.320 You know,

00:20:51.580 it's a cost of fortune.

00:20:52.740 Or we're going to have

00:20:53.600 other attempts

00:20:54.480 to try to reduce

00:20:56.160 greenhouse gases.

00:20:57.440 Well, no,

00:20:57.860 Pierre,

00:20:58.260 you're using like

00:20:59.300 a nail clipper

00:21:00.000 to try and defend

00:21:00.800 your family.

00:21:01.660 You've got an arsenal

00:21:02.900 there.

00:21:03.480 You have an arsenal

00:21:04.320 of automatic weapons.

00:21:06.300 Let's use them

00:21:07.240 and kill this climate scare.

00:21:08.940 Stop the home invasion.

00:21:10.420 But they won't do it.

00:21:11.920 Industry,

00:21:12.440 the same thing.

00:21:13.200 They're prepared

00:21:13.760 to let their industries

00:21:14.920 die rather than

00:21:16.540 use the weapon.

00:21:17.580 It's totally crazy.

00:21:20.500 You know,

00:21:20.800 and I think

00:21:21.280 I think

00:21:22.640 as much as I hate

00:21:24.240 inflation,

00:21:24.780 it is really

00:21:26.200 waking people up

00:21:27.580 to the cost

00:21:29.440 of these

00:21:30.320 climate policies

00:21:31.420 in their real life

00:21:33.480 and how it's

00:21:34.280 snatching money

00:21:35.280 out of your family

00:21:36.240 and for what?

00:21:38.020 For what?

00:21:38.800 You know,

00:21:39.480 they've been telling us

00:21:40.480 the world's going to end

00:21:41.280 for 20 some odd years.

00:21:43.180 We're still here.

00:21:44.600 The doomsday clock

00:21:45.460 keeps getting moved

00:21:46.400 like any good

00:21:47.300 doomsday cult.

00:21:48.300 They just,

00:21:49.040 the doomsday doesn't come,

00:21:50.140 they just move it.

00:21:50.840 They just move it.

00:21:51.440 They just move it.

00:21:52.840 And I think

00:21:53.700 the inflation

00:21:55.800 and that

00:21:56.360 in the middle

00:21:57.200 of sky-high inflation,

00:21:58.800 they hike

00:21:59.220 the carbon tax.

00:22:00.540 A lot of people

00:22:01.320 are opening up

00:22:02.100 their eyes

00:22:02.600 and saying,

00:22:03.180 look,

00:22:03.460 the TV tells me

00:22:04.340 I'm supposed to care

00:22:05.000 about climate change.

00:22:05.800 The politicians

00:22:06.360 tell me I'm supposed

00:22:07.700 to care about climate change.

00:22:08.980 In your home,

00:22:09.760 you don't actually

00:22:10.440 care about climate change.

00:22:11.740 It's the last thing

00:22:12.820 on the list

00:22:13.320 of things that you care about.

00:22:14.800 But you know

00:22:15.320 because somebody

00:22:16.320 keeps telling you

00:22:17.080 you're supposed

00:22:17.640 to care about climate change

00:22:18.660 that it costs more money

00:22:19.500 to fill up the minivan.

00:22:21.060 And I think normal people

00:22:22.260 are starting to

00:22:23.680 sort of

00:22:24.480 harden their hearts

00:22:25.920 against the whole

00:22:26.760 climate scare,

00:22:27.860 I hope.

00:22:28.740 Well,

00:22:29.000 that's right.

00:22:29.680 And you know,

00:22:30.240 I think that there

00:22:30.920 is an easy way

00:22:31.980 for the conservatives

00:22:32.780 to start fighting back

00:22:34.520 in a,

00:22:35.240 you know,

00:22:35.340 I know they're very timid

00:22:36.360 and they're afraid

00:22:36.920 to contest the science.

00:22:38.360 But one thing

00:22:39.320 they should stop doing

00:22:40.420 is calling it

00:22:41.540 a carbon tax.

00:22:42.620 They should stop

00:22:43.160 calling it

00:22:43.600 a carbon footprint.

00:22:44.780 It's a tax on life.

00:22:46.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:47.480 It's a carbon dioxide tax.

00:22:49.140 It's a carbon dioxide footprint.

00:22:51.540 And that's important.

00:22:53.080 You know,

00:22:53.300 one of the main keys

00:22:54.600 to taking over society,

00:22:56.420 we saw it in the book

00:22:57.640 1984,

00:22:58.140 is language.

00:23:00.160 How you use language.

00:23:01.520 And in fact,

00:23:01.880 there was a whole

00:23:02.420 10-page appendix

00:23:03.640 at the end of 1984

00:23:04.860 specifically on

00:23:06.580 what they called

00:23:07.200 newspeak,

00:23:08.420 okay,

00:23:08.700 and how they would

00:23:09.640 actually control

00:23:10.300 the thinking patterns

00:23:11.220 and behavior

00:23:11.840 of the population

00:23:12.780 with language.

00:23:14.420 And language,

00:23:15.520 you know,

00:23:15.760 is a weapon of war.

00:23:17.040 I mean,

00:23:17.280 it's very,

00:23:18.240 very important.

00:23:18.820 So the conservatives

00:23:19.900 should stop using

00:23:21.300 the language

00:23:22.200 of their opponents.

00:23:23.780 Don't call it

00:23:24.360 carbon tax.

00:23:25.020 Call it

00:23:25.300 carbon dioxide tax.

00:23:26.840 Call it

00:23:27.060 carbon dioxide.

00:23:28.380 Well,

00:23:28.740 don't call it

00:23:29.240 carbon dioxide pollution

00:23:30.240 because it's not pollution.

00:23:32.120 But call it

00:23:32.860 carbon dioxide

00:23:33.860 every single time

00:23:35.380 because then people

00:23:36.780 will remember,

00:23:37.640 oh, yeah,

00:23:38.200 carbon dioxide,

00:23:39.120 like grade five,

00:23:40.220 oh,

00:23:40.460 that's important

00:23:41.080 for plants,

00:23:42.180 okay?

00:23:42.560 And then that'll

00:23:43.840 make people dig

00:23:44.620 a bit deeper

00:23:45.200 and ask themselves,

00:23:46.400 well,

00:23:46.560 what has been

00:23:47.340 the real impact

00:23:48.520 of carbon dioxide

00:23:49.580 rise in the last,

00:23:51.000 let's say,

00:23:51.440 since 1940?

00:23:52.580 And here are the stats.

00:23:53.800 Since 1940,

00:23:55.280 40% of the increase

00:23:57.180 in wheat yield

00:23:58.380 has been caused

00:23:59.720 by the carbon dioxide.

00:24:01.680 30% of the increase

00:24:03.400 in soybean yield

00:24:04.520 has been increased

00:24:06.400 in carbon dioxide.

00:24:07.600 So why do we want

00:24:08.720 to return

00:24:09.160 to pre-industrial levels

00:24:10.600 of carbon dioxide

00:24:11.580 for a fictitious

00:24:13.080 climate emergency

00:24:14.060 and thereby reduce

00:24:16.160 our crop yield

00:24:17.180 by billions

00:24:18.300 and billions

00:24:18.920 of dollars?

00:24:19.760 Driving up the cost

00:24:20.740 of food,

00:24:21.140 by the way.

00:24:21.640 There's your inflation

00:24:22.440 one more time.

00:24:23.700 Yeah,

00:24:23.940 and I was watching

00:24:24.800 your interview last week.

00:24:26.680 What was the fellow's name?

00:24:27.860 Oh,

00:24:28.060 Cosmin Georgia

00:24:28.680 from True North.

00:24:29.460 Yeah,

00:24:29.560 that was really interesting

00:24:30.500 and how they're penalizing

00:24:31.800 farmers now.

00:24:33.500 You know,

00:24:33.680 so,

00:24:33.880 I mean,

00:24:34.580 as long as the climate

00:24:35.840 scare continues,

00:24:36.640 you're going to see

00:24:37.540 progressively more

00:24:38.680 and more people

00:24:39.540 in society suffering.

00:24:41.440 Some people think,

00:24:42.140 oh,

00:24:42.160 it's just the fossil fuel

00:24:43.100 industry.

00:24:43.720 But what about

00:24:44.320 all the industries

00:24:45.040 that rely on fossil fuels?

00:24:46.960 The trucking industry,

00:24:48.480 the metallurgical industry,

00:24:50.260 the mining,

00:24:51.140 and cement,

00:24:51.820 of course,

00:24:52.120 is a major producer

00:24:53.180 of fertilizer.

00:24:54.700 That's right.

00:24:55.340 So,

00:24:55.720 I always say that

00:24:56.460 until the climate

00:24:57.360 scare is killed,

00:24:58.360 and I don't just mean

00:24:59.240 killed because we have

00:25:00.140 some other plan,

00:25:01.360 I mean killed

00:25:02.080 because it's not real,

00:25:03.800 okay?

00:25:04.340 Things like this show you

00:25:05.700 that there's no climate

00:25:07.280 emergency at all

00:25:08.720 and CO2 is a good thing.

00:25:10.740 Until it's killed,

00:25:12.140 we're going to see

00:25:13.080 death by a thousand cuts.

00:25:14.860 I mean,

00:25:15.540 we're going to see

00:25:16.320 sector after sector

00:25:17.740 after sector

00:25:18.520 die in Canada,

00:25:19.860 jobs lost,

00:25:20.980 the jobs shifted to China,

00:25:23.460 who don't care a hoot

00:25:24.560 about environmental emissions,

00:25:26.020 of course,

00:25:26.600 and our country

00:25:28.220 just basically

00:25:29.000 go down the drain.

00:25:30.600 So,

00:25:31.020 yeah,

00:25:31.200 I encourage all conservatives,

00:25:32.740 call it carbon dioxide.

00:25:34.280 That's step one.

00:25:35.780 And then from now on,

00:25:37.080 don't talk about

00:25:37.900 a global temperature.

00:25:39.240 First of all,

00:25:39.700 because global temperature,

00:25:40.900 if it existed,

00:25:42.540 doesn't even matter.

00:25:43.640 I mean,

00:25:44.200 who cares what a sort

00:25:45.100 of global average is?

00:25:46.600 There's no super being

00:25:48.720 experiencing global temperature.

00:25:50.600 You experience temperature

00:25:51.840 in your region.

00:25:53.160 And so that's important

00:25:54.080 to look at.

00:25:54.820 Is it getting hotter?

00:25:55.740 Is it getting colder?

00:25:56.980 You know,

00:25:57.200 is there more rain?

00:25:58.420 Whatever's happening,

00:25:59.920 work adaptation.

00:26:02.020 And that,

00:26:02.540 again,

00:26:02.860 is public works.

00:26:04.080 It's not environment

00:26:05.420 at all.

00:26:06.960 No.

00:26:08.100 Besides inflation,

00:26:09.000 there's one more thing

00:26:09.700 that I think

00:26:10.200 might open people's eyes

00:26:11.780 to just the absurdity

00:26:13.160 of all of this.

00:26:14.020 And that is the

00:26:14.620 single-use plastics ban.

00:26:16.460 Yeah.

00:26:17.220 You know,

00:26:18.500 when you're at McDonald's

00:26:20.160 and you get your iced coffee,

00:26:21.480 and I know this is a stupid

00:26:22.480 thing to complain about,

00:26:23.420 but I can't get over

00:26:24.180 the absurdity of it.

00:26:25.360 They give me

00:26:26.440 the plastic cup

00:26:27.940 with the plastic lid

00:26:30.200 that I'm going to

00:26:31.400 throw in the garbage

00:26:31.960 because I think

00:26:32.900 recycling is a scam.

00:26:33.780 And then they give me

00:26:37.480 a paper straw

00:26:38.460 coated in paper

00:26:39.820 to stuff in there.

00:26:41.180 And nobody thinks

00:26:42.140 that that is weird.

00:26:43.440 Nobody.

00:26:44.220 You go to Walmart

00:26:45.100 and they're like,

00:26:45.900 oh, Sheila,

00:26:46.300 you can't have plastic bags

00:26:47.340 in here anymore.

00:26:48.460 But I'm like,

00:26:49.160 I go home

00:26:49.740 and I've got to fire up

00:26:50.680 the burning barrel

00:26:51.560 because everything

00:26:52.560 I bring home

00:26:53.260 is like double-wrapped

00:26:54.280 in plastic and packaging.

00:26:55.740 And it's just

00:26:56.760 this enormous pile

00:26:57.660 of junk

00:26:58.860 that goes on top

00:27:00.560 of the goods

00:27:01.540 and services

00:27:02.100 that you buy.

00:27:02.860 And I just pack

00:27:04.340 it out there

00:27:04.820 and burn it.

00:27:05.920 But then they tell me

00:27:06.640 that I can't have

00:27:07.200 a plastic bag,

00:27:08.080 which I don't know.

00:27:09.100 You have to be

00:27:09.980 a liberal, by the way,

00:27:11.280 if you think

00:27:11.860 that nobody reuses

00:27:12.880 those plastic bags

00:27:13.840 under my desk.

00:27:15.440 Yeah, I use them

00:27:16.600 all the time.

00:27:17.520 My Walmart bag

00:27:18.660 that's sitting

00:27:19.180 in my garbage can.

00:27:20.500 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:21.700 Only a liberal

00:27:22.400 uses those ones.

00:27:23.720 Oh, you take your dog

00:27:24.660 for a walk.

00:27:25.340 They're great

00:27:26.140 for picking stuff up.

00:27:28.200 And, you know,

00:27:28.820 it's interesting, Sheila,

00:27:29.640 because the whole

00:27:30.620 recycle movement

00:27:31.780 should really be

00:27:32.520 revisited.

00:27:33.900 I mean, if we look

00:27:34.800 at some things

00:27:35.400 like glass,

00:27:36.480 I can remember

00:27:37.100 years ago

00:27:37.660 when I worked

00:27:38.100 in the House of Commons,

00:27:38.980 there was a study

00:27:40.120 put out by a Swedish group

00:27:41.780 that showed

00:27:42.660 that recycling glass

00:27:44.460 was worse

00:27:45.100 for the environment

00:27:45.880 than just simply

00:27:46.660 throwing the glass

00:27:47.640 in the landfill.

00:27:48.860 Because aside

00:27:49.520 from the dye,

00:27:50.300 the main material

00:27:50.900 in glass

00:27:51.400 is just sand.

00:27:52.500 Sand, yeah.

00:27:53.260 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:54.100 So, I mean,

00:27:54.480 it breaks up

00:27:55.940 into the,

00:27:56.460 but goes back

00:27:57.060 into the ground.

00:27:57.740 So what?

00:27:58.200 But they did

00:27:59.000 the calculation

00:27:59.600 and they showed

00:28:00.380 that when you

00:28:00.840 gather glass

00:28:02.000 all around the city

00:28:03.080 and you clean it

00:28:03.860 and you try,

00:28:04.440 you know,

00:28:04.640 melt it down

00:28:05.220 or do whatever

00:28:05.740 you're doing with it,

00:28:06.720 the energy you use

00:28:07.960 is actually producing

00:28:09.200 pollution

00:28:09.720 and the net result

00:28:11.200 is that it's worse

00:28:12.320 than just throwing it

00:28:13.300 in the landfill.

00:28:14.720 So there's many things

00:28:16.280 in the environmental

00:28:16.820 movement that have

00:28:17.660 become almost

00:28:18.600 like a religion,

00:28:20.060 like a cult.

00:28:20.780 People stop questioning.

00:28:22.540 You know,

00:28:22.720 one of the things

00:28:23.340 that I think

00:28:23.840 that people have

00:28:24.740 got to start

00:28:25.360 questioning

00:28:25.900 is the whole concept

00:28:27.640 of should we

00:28:28.960 conserve energy?

00:28:30.560 Well, yes,

00:28:31.840 if energy is scarce,

00:28:34.080 okay?

00:28:34.540 Or expensive.

00:28:35.840 Or expensive.

00:28:37.340 But, you know,

00:28:38.140 the whole idea

00:28:38.720 that there is this

00:28:39.440 kind of religious zeal

00:28:40.840 that we have to conserve.

00:28:42.360 We have to conserve water,

00:28:44.920 okay?

00:28:45.400 Well, if you're living

00:28:46.300 in Tahiti

00:28:46.860 and it rains

00:28:47.600 every afternoon

00:28:48.420 and there's waterfalls

00:28:49.320 everywhere,

00:28:49.680 you can use water

00:28:50.560 just to play in.

00:28:51.560 I mean,

00:28:51.780 there's no reason

00:28:52.400 to conserve water.

00:28:53.720 Similarly,

00:28:54.260 why should you reduce

00:28:55.620 pollution

00:28:56.200 if it's not a problem?

00:28:58.380 Okay?

00:28:58.640 In the city of Ottawa,

00:28:59.620 for example,

00:29:00.800 pollution has been

00:29:01.620 going down

00:29:02.420 with the exception

00:29:03.060 of ozone,

00:29:03.640 which has been

00:29:04.080 showing a slight rise

00:29:05.060 for many,

00:29:06.980 many years.

00:29:07.840 So why should we

00:29:08.940 reduce pollution

00:29:09.760 in Ottawa?

00:29:10.460 I can go out running

00:29:11.340 even downtown

00:29:12.020 and it doesn't give me

00:29:13.000 any troubles at all.

00:29:14.320 Unlike Pasadena,

00:29:15.600 let's say,

00:29:16.080 in the 1970s.

00:29:17.340 You know,

00:29:17.640 I went there

00:29:18.260 in the 70s.

00:29:19.180 Or LA today.

00:29:21.820 Yeah.

00:29:22.360 The horizon

00:29:23.120 was brown,

00:29:24.720 okay?

00:29:25.020 And in fact,

00:29:25.980 I was thinking

00:29:26.560 of going

00:29:26.940 to the Pasadena

00:29:29.120 Institute,

00:29:29.780 let's see,

00:29:30.140 the California

00:29:30.960 Institute of Technology

00:29:32.240 and I talked

00:29:33.260 to some of the

00:29:33.680 grad students

00:29:34.200 and everything

00:29:34.680 and they said,

00:29:35.700 well,

00:29:36.140 when you work out,

00:29:37.140 don't play tennis

00:29:38.040 or work out at noon

00:29:39.140 or you will be sick,

00:29:40.860 literally sick.

00:29:42.120 And that,

00:29:42.860 of course,

00:29:43.020 was in the 70s.

00:29:43.940 They hugely

00:29:44.580 cleaned it up

00:29:45.540 and so it's not

00:29:46.460 like that at all now

00:29:47.400 and Ottawa

00:29:47.880 has never been like that.

00:29:49.100 So,

00:29:49.560 I mean,

00:29:50.060 the whole idea

00:29:50.660 that there's some

00:29:51.300 sort of a religious

00:29:52.340 fervor to reduce

00:29:53.720 pollution

00:29:54.200 and conserve

00:29:55.440 resources.

00:29:56.080 No,

00:29:56.460 you do it where

00:29:57.060 it's practical.

00:29:57.840 You do it where

00:29:58.280 it's necessary.

00:29:59.560 And so,

00:30:00.000 even on that side

00:30:01.120 of the environmental

00:30:01.700 debate,

00:30:02.600 pollution reduction,

00:30:03.560 et cetera,

00:30:04.060 we have to balance

00:30:05.160 it with what does

00:30:06.220 it cost to reduce

00:30:07.260 pollution?

00:30:07.940 Is it worth it?

00:30:09.080 Is it really a problem

00:30:10.320 even right now?

00:30:11.760 Well,

00:30:11.980 in Ottawa,

00:30:12.580 it certainly isn't.

00:30:13.500 So,

00:30:13.640 I wouldn't put any

00:30:14.340 money into reducing

00:30:15.260 pollution in Ottawa,

00:30:16.580 for example.

00:30:17.660 So,

00:30:17.940 yeah,

00:30:18.160 the environmental

00:30:18.680 movement should not

00:30:19.660 be this kind of

00:30:20.800 fundamentalist religion.

00:30:22.520 It should be based

00:30:23.380 on common sense.

00:30:24.920 And common sense

00:30:25.580 says,

00:30:26.300 in the case of the

00:30:27.020 glass and the Swedes,

00:30:28.700 don't recycle glass.

00:30:30.160 It says,

00:30:30.720 don't worry about

00:30:31.360 pollution if it's

00:30:32.140 not very high.

00:30:33.620 Yeah.

00:30:33.960 And don't give a hoot

00:30:35.900 about climate change.

00:30:37.420 One of the saddest

00:30:38.220 things is that

00:30:39.100 I have a friend

00:30:39.940 who works in water

00:30:40.920 resources across the

00:30:42.020 river in Gatineau,

00:30:43.340 and he said that

00:30:43.960 as the climate

00:30:44.800 funding has gone

00:30:45.880 up,

00:30:46.240 up,

00:30:46.440 up,

00:30:46.760 the funding

00:30:47.660 for water

00:30:48.480 resources has

00:30:49.380 gone down.

00:30:50.520 And we still

00:30:51.420 can't solve

00:30:52.160 the problem

00:30:52.740 of fresh

00:30:53.220 drinking water

00:30:54.020 on native

00:30:55.120 reserves.

00:30:56.220 I mean,

00:30:56.740 good grief,

00:30:57.420 you know,

00:30:57.660 if you spent

00:30:58.380 the $110

00:30:59.300 billion that

00:31:01.200 the liberals

00:31:01.700 have spent

00:31:02.740 since 2015

00:31:03.720 on the so-called

00:31:04.920 transition to

00:31:06.180 new energy

00:31:06.820 sources,

00:31:07.620 which is a

00:31:08.300 total waste

00:31:08.920 of money,

00:31:09.600 imagine what

00:31:10.180 you could do

00:31:10.620 with that,

00:31:11.180 with real

00:31:11.760 environmental

00:31:12.280 concerns,

00:31:12.960 with drinking

00:31:13.440 water,

00:31:14.000 et cetera,

00:31:14.760 for the natives,

00:31:15.540 for example,

00:31:16.020 or simply

00:31:16.780 not taxing

00:31:17.780 us so much.

00:31:18.900 I mean,

00:31:19.280 there are many

00:31:20.000 important things

00:31:20.740 that we can

00:31:21.080 do with that

00:31:21.540 money.

00:31:23.160 Climate change

00:31:24.040 is not one

00:31:24.800 of them.

00:31:26.320 Yeah,

00:31:26.720 you know,

00:31:27.800 I often

00:31:28.620 muse that I

00:31:29.180 think recycling

00:31:29.760 is a scam

00:31:30.280 because I'm

00:31:30.760 pro-incineration.

00:31:31.800 You look at

00:31:32.260 plastic.

00:31:33.420 That's just a

00:31:34.240 completely inert

00:31:35.140 stored fossil

00:31:35.880 fuel.

00:31:36.480 The beauty of it

00:31:37.260 is you get to

00:31:38.040 use it once

00:31:38.640 for its

00:31:39.400 original purpose,

00:31:40.760 and then you

00:31:41.340 can just

00:31:41.740 incinerate it

00:31:42.520 for electricity,

00:31:43.600 which interestingly

00:31:44.240 enough is what

00:31:44.820 they do in

00:31:45.200 Burnaby.

00:31:45.880 Burnaby,

00:31:46.460 where they're

00:31:46.760 protesting the

00:31:47.840 Trans Mountain

00:31:49.060 pipeline all

00:31:49.880 the time,

00:31:50.580 they have an

00:31:51.640 incinerator that

00:31:52.760 burns garbage

00:31:53.780 and creates

00:31:54.600 electricity.

00:31:55.280 So all the

00:31:55.620 pipeline protesters,

00:31:57.240 they're plugging

00:31:57.900 in their phones

00:31:58.420 into the wall

00:31:59.040 to send out

00:31:59.720 tweets about how

00:32:00.380 bad oil is

00:32:01.160 with charging

00:32:03.080 their phone on

00:32:03.620 burned garbage.

00:32:04.920 Yeah,

00:32:05.240 I'll give you

00:32:05.840 another example.

00:32:07.060 There are things

00:32:07.920 called used oil

00:32:09.100 burners.

00:32:09.760 These are

00:32:10.800 very,

00:32:11.320 and Clean Burn

00:32:11.940 I believe is the

00:32:12.560 name of the

00:32:12.860 company that

00:32:13.320 makes used

00:32:14.180 oil burners,

00:32:15.340 and they

00:32:16.340 actually burn

00:32:17.080 used oil in

00:32:17.820 garages,

00:32:18.580 you know,

00:32:18.740 otherwise it's

00:32:19.380 considered waste.

00:32:20.460 They burn it

00:32:21.120 to heat the

00:32:21.600 garage,

00:32:22.040 and it's

00:32:22.380 burned very,

00:32:23.160 very cleanly.

00:32:24.180 And they were

00:32:24.980 trying to get

00:32:25.560 them accepted

00:32:26.140 across Ontario

00:32:27.200 a few years

00:32:28.520 back,

00:32:28.920 and I was

00:32:29.280 working actually

00:32:29.960 in a

00:32:30.480 communications

00:32:31.240 company

00:32:31.640 concerning

00:32:32.040 them,

00:32:33.080 but the

00:32:35.200 government had

00:32:36.340 friends who

00:32:37.200 were working

00:32:37.660 in the oil

00:32:38.180 recycling business.

00:32:39.760 And so guess

00:32:41.160 who got the

00:32:41.740 support?

00:32:42.500 But the fact

00:32:43.080 is there was

00:32:43.600 no reason to

00:32:44.280 recycle the

00:32:44.900 oil if you

00:32:45.400 bought a

00:32:45.820 clean burning

00:32:46.520 device that

00:32:47.660 could heat

00:32:48.060 your garage.

00:32:49.020 It was just

00:32:49.540 a natural

00:32:50.140 use of

00:32:51.080 used oil.

00:32:52.280 I would buy

00:32:52.620 one of those

00:32:53.060 right now.

00:32:54.280 Yeah,

00:32:54.780 and sadly,

00:32:56.240 the environmental

00:32:56.820 movement has

00:32:57.360 got to the

00:32:57.840 point where if

00:32:58.620 you go to

00:32:59.140 a Greenpeace

00:33:00.000 or Ecology

00:33:01.060 Ottawa or

00:33:01.700 any other

00:33:02.100 kind of event,

00:33:03.160 and you get

00:33:03.780 up to the

00:33:04.160 mic and you

00:33:04.620 say,

00:33:05.200 well,

00:33:05.900 you're worried

00:33:06.920 about the

00:33:07.280 end of snow

00:33:07.820 in Canada,

00:33:08.380 but did you

00:33:08.920 realize that

00:33:09.640 the snow

00:33:10.040 levels have

00:33:10.580 been increasing

00:33:11.300 gradually for

00:33:12.160 decades?

00:33:13.960 And that's

00:33:14.380 exactly what I

00:33:14.940 did do,

00:33:15.340 by the way,

00:33:15.800 at an Ecology

00:33:16.380 Ottawa event.

00:33:17.460 And I got

00:33:18.140 booed and

00:33:18.860 yelled at,

00:33:19.480 people shaking

00:33:20.420 their fists,

00:33:21.300 because this

00:33:22.060 has become a

00:33:22.760 fundamentalist

00:33:23.500 religion.

00:33:24.340 And like you

00:33:24.820 were saying

00:33:25.200 in your last

00:33:25.820 interview,

00:33:26.780 they don't care

00:33:27.400 what the facts

00:33:28.020 are.

00:33:28.640 You are the

00:33:29.360 enemy.

00:33:30.040 You are

00:33:30.400 bringing out

00:33:31.220 things that

00:33:31.780 are inconvenient

00:33:32.720 truths.

00:33:34.420 Well,

00:33:34.980 let's bring it

00:33:35.700 out constantly.

00:33:36.880 Let's bring it

00:33:37.380 out every single

00:33:38.380 time we hear

00:33:39.100 this nonsense.

00:33:40.380 Let's say,

00:33:41.060 A, it's not

00:33:41.960 pollution.

00:33:42.740 B, it's

00:33:43.460 actually plant

00:33:44.240 food and it's

00:33:45.340 a great thing.

00:33:46.360 And I don't

00:33:47.000 give a hoot

00:33:47.600 about global

00:33:48.340 climate.

00:33:49.120 All I care

00:33:49.680 about is what's

00:33:50.320 happening where

00:33:51.180 I live.

00:33:52.000 And where I

00:33:52.480 live, there's

00:33:53.240 no problems,

00:33:54.220 so forget it.

00:33:55.780 You know,

00:33:56.080 and that's the

00:33:56.880 thing.

00:33:57.280 The politicians

00:33:58.000 and the people

00:33:58.620 who keep

00:33:59.100 screaming in my

00:33:59.920 face about

00:34:00.500 climate change,

00:34:01.500 they don't

00:34:01.980 really care

00:34:02.600 either.

00:34:03.280 Because when

00:34:03.740 you look at

00:34:04.300 how they

00:34:04.700 actually live,

00:34:05.540 they don't

00:34:06.260 care.

00:34:07.020 I just

00:34:07.300 got an

00:34:07.580 access to

00:34:08.120 information

00:34:08.640 returned back

00:34:09.560 from the

00:34:10.580 environment and

00:34:12.000 climate change

00:34:12.520 ministry about

00:34:13.660 the ministerial

00:34:14.560 use of cars

00:34:15.320 there and

00:34:16.600 their executive

00:34:17.200 vehicles, so

00:34:17.840 the chauffeur

00:34:18.680 drives them

00:34:19.200 around.

00:34:20.580 You know,

00:34:21.080 if these

00:34:21.540 people actually

00:34:22.460 lived like

00:34:23.840 they cared

00:34:24.240 about climate

00:34:24.720 change, I

00:34:25.140 would at least

00:34:25.560 think that I

00:34:26.540 would maybe

00:34:27.240 take them a

00:34:27.780 little bit more

00:34:28.280 seriously.

00:34:28.820 I wouldn't

00:34:29.020 take climate

00:34:29.460 change more

00:34:29.900 seriously, but

00:34:30.420 I would think

00:34:30.900 of them as

00:34:31.300 honest individuals

00:34:32.140 at least.

00:34:33.080 I would

00:34:33.520 fundamentally

00:34:33.940 disagree with

00:34:34.620 them and

00:34:35.680 their religion,

00:34:36.680 but at least

00:34:37.060 I would

00:34:37.320 respect the

00:34:39.240 sincerity of

00:34:39.780 their belief.

00:34:40.480 But they

00:34:40.780 don't believe

00:34:41.240 it either.

00:34:42.320 Well, that's

00:34:42.820 right.

00:34:43.140 And you

00:34:43.360 know what

00:34:43.720 the world's

00:34:44.500 biggest meeting

00:34:45.700 in history

00:34:46.460 was?

00:34:47.120 It was the

00:34:48.480 Copenhagen

00:34:49.180 climate meeting.

00:34:50.440 Okay?

00:34:51.060 They had more

00:34:51.920 world leaders.

00:34:53.100 They had 30,000

00:34:54.800 people.

00:34:55.940 This was

00:34:56.280 apparently, at

00:34:57.100 least at that

00:34:57.660 time, I'm not

00:34:58.220 sure if it still

00:34:58.800 is, but it

00:34:59.540 was the largest

00:35:00.400 meeting of world

00:35:01.800 leaders in

00:35:02.620 history.

00:35:03.560 Copenhagen's

00:35:04.120 airport was

00:35:04.620 jam-packed

00:35:05.580 with private

00:35:06.140 jets, commercial

00:35:07.240 jets, as I

00:35:08.360 said, 30,000

00:35:09.500 people showing

00:35:11.000 up for a

00:35:11.760 climate change

00:35:12.560 meeting in

00:35:13.500 which they

00:35:13.840 were preaching

00:35:14.480 not flying.

00:35:16.820 Every time.

00:35:17.640 Every time.

00:35:19.340 It was

00:35:19.740 completely

00:35:20.200 insane.

00:35:21.080 That's one of

00:35:21.540 the things I

00:35:22.000 always look at

00:35:23.180 when we go to

00:35:24.480 the climate

00:35:25.140 change conferences

00:35:25.900 is I look at

00:35:27.120 the attendance.

00:35:28.140 So that's

00:35:28.540 people flying

00:35:29.080 from all around

00:35:29.580 the world to

00:35:30.160 tell us not

00:35:30.720 to frivolously

00:35:31.760 waste fossil

00:35:32.680 fuels.

00:35:33.020 And then

00:35:33.800 I go to

00:35:34.780 the parking

00:35:35.260 lots because

00:35:36.420 I see all

00:35:37.380 these limos

00:35:38.240 and cars

00:35:38.840 idling all

00:35:40.000 day long to

00:35:40.740 make sure that

00:35:41.240 the dignitaries

00:35:41.960 are comfortable

00:35:42.520 while scolding

00:35:43.580 me about the

00:35:44.060 use of my

00:35:44.480 SUV.

00:35:45.720 Well, that's

00:35:46.240 right.

00:35:46.540 And the

00:35:46.780 funny thing

00:35:47.180 about Copenhagen

00:35:47.980 is the Al

00:35:48.620 Gore effect

00:35:49.320 was full

00:35:50.100 blast.

00:35:51.100 It was the

00:35:51.500 coldest December

00:35:53.460 they had in

00:35:54.120 Copenhagen in

00:35:55.220 decades.

00:35:56.400 And of course,

00:35:56.700 they call that

00:35:57.200 the Al Gore

00:35:57.800 effect because

00:35:58.440 wherever he

00:35:58.920 goes, it gets

00:35:59.440 very cold.

00:36:00.120 And the sad

00:36:01.060 thing was you

00:36:01.860 had Africans

00:36:02.600 there who

00:36:03.460 had spent a

00:36:04.060 king's ransom

00:36:04.800 to get to

00:36:05.880 Copenhagen.

00:36:06.720 And because the

00:36:07.260 Bella Center

00:36:07.780 didn't expect the

00:36:08.780 whole 30,000

00:36:09.720 people would show

00:36:10.440 up, they only

00:36:11.380 had enough space

00:36:12.140 for 15,000

00:36:12.920 people.

00:36:13.700 So I got there

00:36:14.300 early, fortunately.

00:36:15.200 And so I got

00:36:15.740 in.

00:36:16.080 We caused, you

00:36:17.060 know, some nice

00:36:17.600 trouble there

00:36:18.260 going into their

00:36:19.100 press room and

00:36:20.020 getting some

00:36:21.360 inside information.

00:36:22.040 She got in.

00:36:23.320 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:24.260 But these poor

00:36:24.960 Africans having

00:36:25.880 spent, you know,

00:36:26.680 enormous amounts of

00:36:27.720 money to get to

00:36:28.560 Copenhagen were

00:36:29.620 in lineups for

00:36:30.640 eight hours and

00:36:31.440 more, and many

00:36:32.000 of them didn't

00:36:32.420 even get in.

00:36:33.320 In fact, I think

00:36:34.180 that many of the

00:36:35.340 protesters outside,

00:36:37.260 you know, they

00:36:37.700 show big protests

00:36:38.640 on the street.

00:36:39.200 These are probably

00:36:39.800 mostly, you know,

00:36:41.000 third world delegates

00:36:42.060 who couldn't get

00:36:42.640 into the conference

00:36:43.340 who were just

00:36:43.820 really angry.

00:36:45.080 But the whole

00:36:47.260 idea of, you

00:36:48.660 know, we are the

00:36:49.800 master controllers

00:36:50.740 of climate.

00:36:51.640 I mean, it is it

00:36:52.400 is really pretty

00:36:53.260 silly.

00:36:54.460 And the sad

00:36:55.400 thing is people

00:36:56.080 are just afraid

00:36:57.160 to say so.

00:36:57.960 You know, they

00:36:58.720 constantly say,

00:36:59.660 well, we're we

00:37:00.220 don't put out as

00:37:00.860 much emissions as

00:37:01.740 China, which is

00:37:02.480 true.

00:37:02.800 Of course, China

00:37:03.280 puts out twice as

00:37:04.140 much as the

00:37:04.640 United States and

00:37:05.700 they have no

00:37:06.200 limits.

00:37:07.120 But in the final

00:37:07.740 analysis, who

00:37:09.100 cares?

00:37:09.920 Thank you.

00:37:10.860 Yeah, it really

00:37:12.000 does matter how

00:37:12.900 much pollution

00:37:13.740 they put out.

00:37:14.420 Yes, particulate

00:37:15.580 for sure.

00:37:16.580 Yeah, the Asian

00:37:17.440 brown cloud will

00:37:18.380 drift across the

00:37:19.260 Pacific and actually

00:37:20.200 increase pollution

00:37:21.100 levels on the

00:37:22.280 West Coast of

00:37:23.080 North America.

00:37:23.980 But I don't give

00:37:25.160 a hoot how much

00:37:26.100 CO2 China

00:37:27.160 produces.

00:37:28.040 And clearly

00:37:28.440 they don't

00:37:28.980 either because

00:37:30.040 they are insisting

00:37:31.700 on remaining

00:37:32.340 defined as a

00:37:33.580 developing country,

00:37:34.600 which gives them

00:37:35.400 an out clause so

00:37:36.260 they never have to

00:37:37.580 reduce carbon

00:37:38.280 dioxide.

00:37:39.580 So, yeah, I hope

00:37:40.620 on Thursday night

00:37:41.400 we're not going to

00:37:42.000 hear the

00:37:42.300 Conservatives saying

00:37:43.220 no carbon tax.

00:37:44.900 Do my plan

00:37:45.820 instead.

00:37:46.440 Yeah.

00:37:46.760 No, we don't

00:37:47.720 need any darn

00:37:48.680 plan.

00:37:49.180 And use your

00:37:49.960 weapons to defeat

00:37:51.420 the people breaking

00:37:52.420 into our home and

00:37:53.280 trying to destroy

00:37:54.020 our economy.

00:37:54.700 Yeah.

00:37:55.540 No carbon tax

00:37:56.780 except my carbon

00:37:58.280 levy instead.

00:37:59.760 Word games, right?

00:38:01.100 Now, Tom, I could

00:38:02.500 talk to you all day

00:38:03.380 but you're busy,

00:38:05.420 I'm busy.

00:38:06.040 How do people

00:38:06.660 support your carbon

00:38:07.740 apostasy?

00:38:08.840 Well, the best

00:38:11.440 thing is to go

00:38:12.160 to icsc-canada.com

00:38:15.520 icsc-canada.com

00:38:17.440 and you can put

00:38:18.340 in an email address

00:38:19.420 and we just put

00:38:20.220 out our first

00:38:20.920 newsletter because

00:38:21.800 we're a new

00:38:22.260 non-profit group.

00:38:23.420 We put out our

00:38:24.160 first newsletter

00:38:24.740 last night.

00:38:25.480 I'd be happy to

00:38:26.080 send you a copy.

00:38:27.040 Please.

00:38:27.240 And of course,

00:38:28.040 at the bottom

00:38:28.640 of our newsletter

00:38:29.240 like any good

00:38:30.000 non-profit,

00:38:30.760 we're asking if

00:38:31.800 you can give a

00:38:32.500 donation to help

00:38:33.400 us defeat the

00:38:34.780 climate scare

00:38:35.460 before it defeats

00:38:36.960 Canada, which it's

00:38:38.340 on the verge of

00:38:39.140 doing if these

00:38:40.160 things just continue

00:38:41.100 with no resistance.

00:38:43.340 Tom, you do this

00:38:44.320 every time I have

00:38:45.360 you on the show.

00:38:46.000 You forget to

00:38:46.960 plug your own

00:38:47.580 podcast, which I

00:38:48.400 think is very

00:38:48.900 interesting.

00:38:50.280 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:51.500 Well, we have

00:38:51.960 another, we have

00:38:52.760 a podcast and a

00:38:53.740 radio show.

00:38:54.940 Our podcast is

00:38:56.020 called Exploratory

00:38:56.840 Journeys.

00:38:57.460 You go on

00:38:58.280 icsc-canada.com

00:39:00.340 and you click

00:39:01.280 under resources,

00:39:02.180 you can see

00:39:02.720 Exploratory Journeys.

00:39:04.240 The other thing

00:39:04.860 is on the

00:39:05.540 America Out Loud

00:39:06.700 Network.

00:39:07.320 Dr. Jay

00:39:08.740 Lair and I,

00:39:09.500 we were

00:39:09.820 interviewing Dr.

00:39:10.680 Happer last week

00:39:11.580 from Princeton

00:39:12.180 and he's the one

00:39:12.900 that gave me the

00:39:13.520 information about

00:39:14.340 radiation and stuff.

00:39:16.420 That, we get an

00:39:17.600 interview like every

00:39:18.560 single week on

00:39:19.940 AmericaOutloud.com

00:39:21.580 and you can click

00:39:22.680 under shows and

00:39:24.080 you'll see the

00:39:24.880 other side of the

00:39:26.060 story, which is our

00:39:27.420 show.

00:39:27.740 And I really

00:39:28.640 encourage people to

00:39:29.480 listen to the

00:39:30.140 William Happer

00:39:30.900 interview from last

00:39:31.840 week.

00:39:32.380 It's the most

00:39:32.960 recent one on the

00:39:33.880 other side of the

00:39:34.740 story because he

00:39:36.040 gives you the

00:39:36.700 kind of facts

00:39:37.620 that you need

00:39:38.360 to defeat that

00:39:39.540 noisy brother-in-law

00:39:40.660 who goes on and

00:39:41.380 on about climate

00:39:42.260 change but is

00:39:43.060 totally wrong.

00:39:45.600 So, yeah, do

00:39:46.600 check it out, both

00:39:47.620 Exploratory Journeys

00:39:49.120 and the other

00:39:50.500 side of the story.

00:39:51.960 Well, that's great,

00:39:52.700 Tom.

00:39:52.920 Thanks so much for

00:39:53.520 coming on the show.

00:39:54.220 Good luck at the

00:39:55.020 conference.

00:39:55.740 I know there are

00:39:56.660 some green

00:39:57.220 conservatives there,

00:39:58.320 so be on the

00:39:58.980 lookout.

00:39:59.860 That's right.

00:40:00.360 I'll load them

00:40:02.440 up with these

00:40:03.100 books.

00:40:03.920 That's right.

00:40:05.040 And hopefully we

00:40:05.960 can have you back

00:40:06.520 again on the show

00:40:07.740 very, very soon.

00:40:08.780 Okay, thanks,

00:40:09.480 Sheila.

00:40:09.960 Thanks, Tom.

00:40:10.800 Bye-bye.

00:40:19.180 Here's the portion

00:40:20.340 of the show where

00:40:21.040 we reach out to

00:40:22.120 you for your

00:40:22.860 viewer feedback.

00:40:23.700 And if you'd like

00:40:24.280 me to read your

00:40:25.380 letter on air,

00:40:26.460 selected completely

00:40:27.560 at random, here's

00:40:28.620 your way to do

00:40:29.720 that.

00:40:29.960 Just send me an

00:40:30.800 email to

00:40:31.380 Sheila at

00:40:32.240 rebelnews.com and

00:40:34.380 just put in the

00:40:35.620 subject line,

00:40:36.960 gun show letters,

00:40:38.000 so that I can find

00:40:38.720 it very easily in

00:40:40.280 the hundreds of

00:40:42.020 emails that I

00:40:43.380 receive every single

00:40:44.500 day.

00:40:44.700 It just makes it a

00:40:45.300 little easier for

00:40:46.300 me to search and

00:40:47.000 then just stick my

00:40:48.180 finger on the

00:40:48.580 screen and select

00:40:49.360 it at random.

00:40:50.440 So this is my

00:40:52.420 letter for this

00:40:53.380 week.

00:40:53.720 And it's

00:40:54.580 actually, as I

00:40:55.740 said, I select

00:40:56.320 these at random,

00:40:56.940 but I've actually

00:40:57.820 read a letter from

00:40:58.900 this person,

00:40:59.720 before.

00:41:00.340 It's from

00:41:00.660 Catalin

00:41:01.120 Radalescu, and

00:41:03.800 I'm going to

00:41:04.220 guess that that

00:41:05.560 is a Romanian

00:41:08.280 last name,

00:41:09.840 someone who has

00:41:10.360 obviously fled

00:41:11.780 communism.

00:41:12.760 I'm guessing.

00:41:14.440 You'll correct me

00:41:15.080 if I'm wrong.

00:41:17.100 Catalin writes,

00:41:17.920 Hello, Sheila.

00:41:18.520 I learned that the

00:41:19.300 Honorable Aaron

00:41:20.260 Stewart, a BC

00:41:21.660 MP, initiated a

00:41:23.260 petition E3871 to

00:41:25.780 the House of

00:41:26.240 Commons in

00:41:26.800 Parliament calling

00:41:27.380 for an

00:41:27.720 independent and

00:41:28.380 objective

00:41:28.860 investigation to

00:41:29.780 the government's

00:41:30.800 use of vaccine

00:41:32.100 mandates and

00:41:32.960 ignoring of

00:41:34.040 alternative

00:41:34.760 treatments.

00:41:35.800 You can see the

00:41:36.360 petition at the

00:41:37.080 link below.

00:41:38.480 Now, I pop

00:41:40.680 open that

00:41:41.200 petition, and

00:41:42.020 it's actually a

00:41:42.980 petition that's

00:41:46.460 sponsored by

00:41:47.000 Mel Arnold.

00:41:47.920 He's a BC

00:41:48.720 MP, a

00:41:49.680 conservative BC

00:41:50.420 MP from North

00:41:51.820 Okanagan

00:41:52.420 Shuswap.

00:41:53.100 And actually, we

00:41:53.920 learned about this

00:41:54.740 petition a while

00:41:56.360 ago.

00:41:56.780 Andrea Humphrey,

00:41:57.980 our BC-based

00:41:58.840 reporter, reached

00:41:59.680 out to Mel for

00:42:00.820 an interview on

00:42:01.700 his petition

00:42:02.340 because it's an

00:42:03.640 interesting petition

00:42:04.620 and it's a bold

00:42:05.720 idea, and it's an

00:42:07.980 attempt to hold the

00:42:08.620 government to

00:42:09.060 account for their

00:42:10.100 laser focus on

00:42:11.180 vaccines as the

00:42:12.060 only way to

00:42:12.860 treat or prevent

00:42:14.500 COVID-19 as

00:42:16.140 opposed to a

00:42:16.880 whole host of

00:42:17.600 alternative

00:42:18.280 treatments that

00:42:19.060 were available in

00:42:19.960 other nations all

00:42:20.860 across the world.

00:42:22.180 But Mel didn't

00:42:23.240 get back to us.

00:42:24.100 Anyway, let's

00:42:24.660 take a look at his

00:42:25.220 petition really quick

00:42:25.980 here and then we'll

00:42:26.420 get back to your

00:42:26.920 letter.

00:42:27.660 So, it reads,

00:42:29.040 whereas the

00:42:29.440 government's COVID-19

00:42:31.100 pandemic exit

00:42:32.060 strategy almost solely

00:42:33.420 depends on

00:42:34.000 experimental drugs,

00:42:35.520 vaccines, available

00:42:36.800 through emergency

00:42:37.660 interim orders from

00:42:38.560 Health Canada for

00:42:39.360 use only during the

00:42:40.760 COVID-19 pandemic,

00:42:42.420 Canadian patented

00:42:43.580 lipid nanoparticle

00:42:44.980 technology is

00:42:45.800 integral to the

00:42:46.680 mRNA vaccines but

00:42:48.620 has a complicated

00:42:49.320 and non-transparent

00:42:50.340 presence and

00:42:50.860 medical treatment

00:42:51.640 in Canada has

00:42:52.280 become politicized

00:42:53.520 in that non-medical

00:42:54.460 professionals are

00:42:55.480 providing medical

00:42:56.220 advice and Canadians

00:42:57.100 are being intimidated

00:42:57.920 into obtaining

00:42:58.780 health services to

00:42:59.640 end the COVID-19

00:43:00.700 pandemic.

00:43:02.800 We, the

00:43:03.460 underscined

00:43:03.840 concern Canadians

00:43:04.640 call upon the

00:43:05.180 House of Commons

00:43:05.720 in Parliament to

00:43:07.540 call for an

00:43:08.160 independent and

00:43:08.840 objective investigation

00:43:09.840 into the

00:43:10.180 government of

00:43:10.620 Canada's use of

00:43:11.360 vaccine mandates,

00:43:12.460 the patented

00:43:13.000 Canadian lipid

00:43:15.000 nanoparticle

00:43:15.900 technology and the

00:43:16.920 multi-year agreement

00:43:17.740 securing significantly

00:43:19.000 more vaccines than

00:43:20.000 there are citizens

00:43:20.780 in Canada.

00:43:21.520 Yeah, that is

00:43:22.140 kind of fishy,

00:43:24.180 right?

00:43:24.520 Let's keep going.

00:43:26.040 Investigate whether

00:43:26.660 a federal restraint of

00:43:28.020 trade and biasing of

00:43:30.060 the market occurred when

00:43:31.060 the government of

00:43:31.720 Canada announced that

00:43:32.640 only vaccines would get

00:43:33.860 us through this

00:43:34.400 pandemic, delayed and

00:43:35.960 suspended approval of

00:43:36.880 vaccines not licensed

00:43:38.220 to use the LNP

00:43:40.560 technology, and

00:43:41.740 discredited all medical

00:43:42.900 treatments not related

00:43:44.000 to vaccination.

00:43:44.940 That's true.

00:43:46.040 The federal government

00:43:47.120 severely delayed

00:43:48.360 approval of

00:43:50.400 non-mRNA

00:43:52.640 vaccines like

00:43:54.800 Novavax, which is

00:43:56.800 more of a traditional

00:43:57.520 vaccine in the sense

00:43:59.160 that we know vaccines

00:44:00.440 to be prior to

00:44:02.100 whatever it is that

00:44:03.180 they describe these

00:44:04.100 things as vaccines

00:44:05.020 now.

00:44:05.740 Number three, ensure

00:44:06.480 no market allocation

00:44:07.960 occurred by making

00:44:08.780 vaccines the only

00:44:09.740 option for treating

00:44:10.600 COVID-19.

00:44:12.160 Ensure there was no

00:44:13.280 inappropriate interlocking

00:44:15.040 directorates between

00:44:16.260 manufacturers, technology

00:44:17.640 licensors, and the

00:44:18.960 government of Canada.

00:44:20.140 Determine whether there

00:44:20.980 was a suppression of

00:44:21.780 information and coercion

00:44:22.820 by forcing citizens into

00:44:24.020 a single scenario

00:44:24.960 without proper market

00:44:26.440 forces to provide

00:44:27.400 alternatives.

00:44:28.160 That's an interesting

00:44:28.960 one.

00:44:29.820 And determine whether

00:44:31.120 any government body or

00:44:32.360 officials benefited

00:44:33.260 financially in any way

00:44:34.680 from sales of vaccines

00:44:35.980 licensed to use the

00:44:37.280 lipid nanoparticle

00:44:39.260 technology or extended

00:44:41.000 the pandemic to

00:44:41.800 increase the sales of

00:44:42.700 mRNA vaccines.

00:44:45.740 That is a very

00:44:47.240 interesting petition.

00:44:49.320 It currently has

00:44:51.580 14,288 signatures as

00:44:55.320 of 2.55 in the

00:44:58.720 afternoon on

00:45:00.100 Tuesday, May 3rd

00:45:02.320 as I'm filming this.

00:45:04.620 I want to keep reading

00:45:05.920 this email from

00:45:08.580 our emailer, Catalin.

00:45:10.900 They continue to

00:45:13.140 write, unfortunately it

00:45:14.200 only has eight more

00:45:15.040 days to go.

00:45:15.840 It closes on May

00:45:17.100 8th, 2022, so that's

00:45:19.060 actually only five more

00:45:20.320 days to go based on

00:45:21.760 when I receive this

00:45:23.160 email and when I'm

00:45:23.920 reading it now.

00:45:24.920 Could you please try to

00:45:25.600 make the public aware of

00:45:26.440 this?

00:45:26.680 Perhaps you can get more

00:45:27.400 people to sign it.

00:45:28.220 Well, I just read the

00:45:29.360 petition, so you tell me.

00:45:30.520 Thank you for your

00:45:31.740 consideration, Catalin.

00:45:33.940 Well, that is a very

00:45:34.840 interesting petition.

00:45:35.920 It does have 14,288

00:45:39.040 signatures.

00:45:39.740 I'm surprised, actually,

00:45:41.880 that it is that high.

00:45:43.620 Usually, these sort of

00:45:45.440 things are suppressed on

00:45:46.940 the internet, as you

00:45:47.900 know.

00:45:48.140 So, that is good to see.

00:45:49.860 I'd love to see it get a

00:45:51.220 little higher.

00:45:52.100 Well, everybody, that's

00:45:52.960 the show for tonight.

00:45:53.640 Thank you so much for

00:45:54.640 tuning in.

00:45:55.280 I'll see everybody back

00:45:56.220 here in the same time,

00:45:57.600 in the same place next

00:45:58.600 week.

00:45:58.820 If you'd like to have

00:45:59.860 your letter read on air,

00:46:02.280 your opportunity to do

00:46:03.540 that is by sending me an

00:46:04.520 email to Sheila at

00:46:05.440 RebelNews.com.

00:46:06.500 Put gun show letters in

00:46:07.580 the subject line.

00:46:08.560 Thanks, everybody in

00:46:09.240 the office for putting

00:46:10.100 the show together.

00:46:11.900 And, as always, don't

00:46:13.880 let the government tell

00:46:14.700 you that you've had too

00:46:15.420 much to think.

00:46:16.140 Thank you.

00:46:37.580 Thank you.

00:46:46.700 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - May 05, 2022

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Tom Harris on how the radical left hijacked the environmentalist movement

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